WTF Avalon? Ship the Chips!

[Bitcoinorama]

How about putting up Yifu Wanted posters, like in the days of the wild west all over NY city (or wherever he hangs out).

Smoke him out from where he is hiding 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bgVaA_ZIbPc/TcRK1Wz2qcI/AAAAAAAAAek/rQCeAAAi3uI/s1600/one-piece-wanted-poster-by-ei819-159006.png

[pixl8tr]

How about putting up Yifu Wanted posters, like in the days of the wild west all over NY city (or wherever he hangs out).

Smoke him out from where he is hiding  

As much as we would like to have what we paid for shipped,  a wanted dead or alive proclamation may be considered a "death threat"  in the USA and could land you in prison.  ;-)

[FlappySocks]

Yeah, I think we want him alive.  But how about it?  Put the posters up in every city.  Might get some media attention.

[Bitcoinorama]

How about putting up Yifu Wanted posters, like in the days of the wild west all over NY city (or wherever he hangs out).

Smoke him out from where he is hiding  

As much as we would like to have what we paid for shipped,  a wanted dead or alive proclamation may be considered a "death threat"  in the USA and could land you in prison.  ;-)

I didn't create the wanted poster, there's this one without the dead or alive rhetoric;

http://www.gunranchusa.com/wanted-poster.jpg

But it's tacky in comparison. I'm in no way whatsoever suggesting harm the guy, jeez!

[ionstorm]

saw  this on Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1jwraw/1400000000_in_avalon_chips_missing_and_you/

[pixl8tr]

I didn't create the wanted poster, there's this one without the dead or alive rhetoric;

http://www.gunranchusa.com/wanted-poster.jpg

But it's tacky in comparison. I'm in no way whatsoever suggesting harm the guy, jeez!

Oh Yeah I know that, it's in Jest.  But you may be familiar with the slimeball lawyers in the USA that would have a field day.

[Loredo]

http://www.btcman.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4621&extra=page%3D1&page=4

Do we have any Chinese readers?

What does it say?

Good luck with this, man.  You're here at the exact point I was when I threw in the towel with Avalon, and, except for the innocent Open Source victims, when I threw in the towel with anyone involved with Avalon.

Why?  Because the pictures of those chips was the biggest of news.  I tried to get some bi-lingual Chinese to tell us what really was being said there (i.e., imposing any cultural inferences over the issue as well) to no avail.  Go back and read the thread.

At that point, I just thought, "Something's going on; there's a million chips here, they don't seem to be clearly titled to Avalon, and nobody is willing or able to say what's up in Shenzen. My gut feeling is Avalon is fucked, I'm not vested in Avalon, so: to Hell with them all."

Maybe you'll get somewhere.  I hope so, for the sake of the Open Source builders.

[Ytterbium]

group buyers should file a case in the USA because of fraud.

I believe this would also be relevant if he refuses to acknowledge you;

http://www.interpol.int/Contact-INTERPOL
http://www.interpol.int/Crime-areas/Cybercrime/Cybercrime
http://www.interpol.int/Crime-areas/Financial-crime/Financial-crime

I'm sure they would love to get their feet wet with alternative currency cybercrime. It would set a precedent.

Still I think you need to wait a little longer yet, this is still flakey, but Avalon B#3's are arriving, so there is life at Bitsyncom, even if it's life that refuses to acknowledge it' customers after breaching agreement...

It depends. They may view it as people just fucking around with the equivalent of "video game money" - no one gets prosecuted when thefts happen in EVE online, because it's a game.  And not only that, a lot of people view it as a way to get around government regulation.  People in the government might take that as an affront and think "Well, you're on your own then".

Also, in order to prosecute as a theft, you'd need to prove that Bitsyncom actually stole something, and didn't just fall behind schedule. That's not a crime, in fact it's actually really common.  It's just that most of the time, delays like this don't completely destroy the value of the product.

There's also the problem that everything happened in China, which would make prosecution quite difficult.

In the future, the best thing to do for a large chip order would be to license a design.   Rather then dealing with Avalon/BFL/whoever the thing to do would be to pay whatever company BTCX and they'd write a letter to their upstream provider authorizing group Y to oder up to X chips direct from the fab.  They'd pay the the design company and the upstream provider separately, and that would remove one point of failure from the whole process - in fact, the most likely source of failure as they'd be a very new startup liable to have all sorts of problems (as we can clearly see from BFL and Avalon)

[ionstorm]

realistically I think in 5 weeks all these chips could be fabricated and shipped out even with a small skeleton crew, something else is in play, wonder whats going on exactly, hope we get some answers this week or this month...

[Bitcoinorama]

realistically I think in 5 weeks all these chips could be fabricated and shipped out even with a small skeleton crew, something else is in play, wonder whats going on exactly, hope we get some answers this week or this month...

It's sounds like the crew has mutinied...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny

[LaserHorse]

Not to nitpick, but it would likely benefit all to maintain this distinction:

"Avalon" = product name

"BitSyncom" = company name

[KS]

Quoting from the Avalon user thread:

I was wondering too.

Did you get a reply from Yifu ?

I emailed the info@ address and got a reply from NG Zhang about an hour later. I have yet to receive a follow up reply.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I've contacted a few clone builders and am going to take everything apart right now to get an idea of what parts I need and how much they will cost.

So NG Zhang is answering emails. Yifu seems MIA (no activity posts on reddit for a month as well).

[redbeans2012]

realistically I think in 5 weeks all these chips could be fabricated and shipped out even with a small skeleton crew, something else is in play, wonder whats going on exactly, hope we get some answers this week or this month...

It's sounds like the crew has mutinied...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny

Maybe thats where BTCGarden came from.  They seem to know friedcat and avalon people.

[ionstorm]

Quoting from the Avalon user thread:

I was wondering too.

Did you get a reply from Yifu ?

I emailed the info@ address and got a reply from NG Zhang about an hour later. I have yet to receive a follow up reply.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I've contacted a few clone builders and am going to take everything apart right now to get an idea of what parts I need and how much they will cost.

So NG Zhang is answering emails. Yifu seems MIA (no activity posts on reddit for a month as well).

I suggest we all shoot them an email

[gtlz]

Has anyone contacted the NY State Attorney General to file an Internet Commerce complaint?  If not, why not?

[ionstorm]

I contacted Phil at thegenesisblock.com, he is looking into this for us as well.

[metal_jacke1]

I'll say what's not being said here.

Clearly the Chinese have discovered their new found love for mining and simply put, the Chinese gets it first. Perhaps the reason why anybody is having a hard time with any shipment of miners coming from China except those usb eruptors.

[Vigil]

I'll say what's not being said here.

Clearly the Chinese have discovered their new found love for mining and simply put, the Chinese gets it first. Perhaps the reason why anybody is having a hard time with any shipment of miners coming from China except those usb eruptors.

Thing about China is that you know they are running off batches for themselves. That is what they do with NorthFace and Nike and the rest. They just make a few extra for themselves and then sell them to tourists for bargains.

[DyslexicZombei]

You mean like this?

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/The-Block-Erupter-Blade-Fried-cat-blade-10g-Bitcoin-Miner/1114058606.html
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/The-Block-Erupter-Blade-5G-Bitcoin-Miner-Price-1699-USD-ACCEPT-BTC-16-BTC/1143248803.html

The 5GH/s Blade isnt' even available outside China yet (still too overpriced; if it was this price 2 months ago I would've been interested). I'd have to say that these are cut down or partial AM blade clones as they haven't announced them or listed them on the AM site, and Gen2 chips are supposed to arrive in Oct/Nov.

[bystander]

I contacted Phil at thegenesisblock.com, he is looking into this for us as well.

Thanks for the update, glad that Philip Archer's on this, his article with the details about the 135 boxes to the reseller was very well done.