Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread!

[ATCkit]

I discovered this case, Thermaltake Core X5 ATX Cube Chassis, can hold up to 8 GPUs.

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/hx29TW

Going by the specs, it might even fit the Onda 8 GPU Motherboard?

http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model_Specification.aspx?id=C_00002806

The cases from China will me cost way too much because of shipping to Canada ($180+ per case).

So, I got one of these cases for less than $ 200 CDN. It's depth is just a bit too short for the Onda 8 GPU Mobo. ( I still have my dead Onda MoBo.) Anyway, I will use it with my 7 GPU MSI 170A Pro Carbon MoBo rig.  There's lots of room to add fans to cool everything.

I  ordered the Thermaltake Core X9 ( $230 CDN) and will try it out for size with the Onda 8 GPU MoBo. If it fits, I will buy another Onda 8 slot board. If not, I can still use it for my 12 GPU Biostar MoBo and likely put 10+ GPUs in this case.

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[vapourminer]

Out of interest, has any of you tried a riserless board with non-blower-style GPUs? Surely they're too close to eachother to work efficiently, i.e. heat cross-contamination must be terrible?...

onda b250 d8p with 2.5 spacing



https://i.imgur.com/PRSrodh.jpg?1

sorry for poor picture just wanted to get something up quick to show the spacing.

[Biodom]

Where are you buying new cards, guys?
I checked both newegg and microcenter.
At newegg, there are only crazy prices starting with $950-1000 for 1070 and there is literally nothing at Microcenter.

[timeshifter]

I discovered this case, Thermaltake Core X5 ATX Cube Chassis, can hold up to 8 GPUs.

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/hx29TW

Going by the specs, it might even fit the Onda 8 GPU Motherboard?

http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model_Specification.aspx?id=C_00002806

The cases from China will me cost way too much because of shipping to Canada ($180+ per case).

So, I got one of these cases for less than $ 200 CDN. It's depth is just a bit too short for the Onda 8 GPU Mobo. ( I still have my dead Onda MoBo.) Anyway, I will use it with my 7 GPU MSI 170A Pro Carbon MoBo rig.  There's lots of room to add fans to cool everything.

I  ordered the Thermaltake Core X9 ( $230 CDN) and will try it out for size with the Onda 8 GPU MoBo. If it fits, I will buy another Onda 8 slot board. If not, I can still use it for my 12 GPU Biostar MoBo and likely put 10+ GPUs in this case.

I put together a rig with the Core X9.  Used a standard motherboard with risers and have (4) GTX 1080 Ti hybrid cards with the radiators mounted to the roof of the case.  Still lots of room left over.  I'm pretty sure the Onda board will fit in there.  I'll post some pics of the build if you're interested.

[ATCkit]

Sure- those pics would help.

[MagicSmoker]

Where are you buying new cards, guys?
I checked both newegg and microcenter.
At newegg, there are only crazy prices starting with $950-1000 for 1070 and there is literally nothing at Microcenter.

Hell, I checked 3 different Best Buys in the Tampa area yesterday and all I found was a single RX 560 (which I bought, though felt kind of stupid for doing so). Worse, though, is that there was an empty box for a GTX 1080 that said "Purchase at register" so I took the box to the register only to find out that, nope, they are out of stock.

Le sigh...

[DJMinerOne]

Believe it or not, the miner supply issue is continuing to worsen.  Not only are essentially all good mining cards gone (off retail market anyway), but now it is nearly impossible to find any mining mobo (that supports 6+ GPUs) and it's even carried over into the PSU market, where 1000-1300W PSUs typically used for mining are mostly gone.  This continues to baffle me, but I guess just goes to prove that the majority of the world still either doesn't know about or doesn't believe in the longevity of crypto. To me, this shortage seems worse than the one back in Q2'17.

The really crazy thing is not that 3rd parties are trying to price gouge (not completely against this actually, as everyone deserves a chance to make a legal buck) but it's the fact that there are a lot of people actually paying these 2x, 3x, even 4x retail prices for components.  Here are a few I have observed lately:

- 6-pack of rx 570 8gb sold on ebay for $3,400! That's close to $600/card lol, or 50% more than retail for a Vega-56 lol.
- Several USED Vega 56's selling on ebay for over $900!
- Many mining Mobo's with retail prices at or below $100 are going for over $300!

I actually ordered an Asus Prime Z270-a from Amazon for $150 but it's not in stock and no indication of when it will be in stock. I actually have another ASRock BTC board but was looking to build my next rig with an 1151 chip i got for half price. Plus, I like the the idea of easily being able to accomodate 7 GPUs with a relatively easy path to an 8th via the M2 slot.  So, end-state goal would be 7-8 1070ti/1080 with my 1500W Plat PSU. of course, I only currently have 4 70ti's but more have to come in stock eventually... don't they? ;-)

not to disagree, all sounds right, but i've got
Asus Z170-AR mobo (6 slots, not sure if you can run all six, opinions vary) at Microcenter for $79 minus $40 MIR.
It was a few weeks ago, though, before eth went crazy again.
Not the best mobo, but will do for a small built of 1070ies.
I am out of power in everything except dishwasher/dryer.

Maybe I should entice wifie to buy a double decker washer/dryer (LG or something), then I would have both space and power (220V even) to run a couple more rigs

Yeah, I have heard mixed views on that Asus z170 and i dont want to risk building on a "problem" board for fear of potentially wasting many hours trying to get over 4 GPus running on it.  Plus, I am not lucky to live anywhere near a Microcenter and pretty much every decent piece of gear I've found on there... well, pretty much ever... has been limited to in-store purchase/pickup only. Makes me wonder why they even have a friggin website but whatever lol.

I am also still awaiting an electrician's assessment of my house's capabilities. I am currently running 4 rigs and based on my limited understanding and an analysis of my breaker box, pretty sure I can get a modest rig added in my garage. but that will only work until maybe June as there is no ventilation in there.

Also, if I feel confident I have enough power to add that garage rig, I might just go ahead and build it on that ASRock H81 BTC that I already have. Since I only have 4 1070ti's anyway it wouldn't make a difference and at least I could get it up and running and not have to wait for that 1151 Mobo to arrive.  If I go that route then i could eventually use the 1151 Mobo to build a 7-8x 570 rig.  Lots to think about... crazy thing is that i have partial components to build 3 rigs but not 1 would be "complete". But I think first priority is getting those 1070ti's online.

Regarding ASUS Prime Z-170AR, I haven't had any problems with 7 x 1070SC cards over the past 5 months.  I only wish it had space for one more!  It was one useless PCI rather than a PCIE slot.  But the M.2 is open to add a 7'th.

[martyroz]

Hi guys.

I want your opinion in nicehash now since they got hacked/whatever. I feel its really profitable when you can move funds freely to coinbase and then to GDAX with free withdraw. Seems like its one of the better options right now, or am i missing something?

Apart from high withdrawal fees (if not transferring to Coinbase).... its an easy and quick to sell hash power to buyers.

Which pool, which coin ... its quite tiring this chasing game... so if you want an easy way to accumulate BTC, yeah NH is a good place to be.

Yeah I'm at a point where I just throw everything at nicehash. I get slogged the full 5% fee which is annoying, but I will acquire more hash-rate to be able to mine 0.1 BTC within 4 days so that the fee is reduced to 3%.

From what I can tell, you pay 2% to nicehash wallet and to get it out of there you pay the network fee of 0.001 BTC - which probably totals 3% anyway.

I didn't know that it was free to coinbase - I will have to look into it.

Cryptonight in particular has been paying wayyy higher than ordinary XMR rates for a few weeks now. Equihash is quite strong as well.

[philipma1957]

getting the beast on Wednesday


 

I have a dhl track number  this is due on Wednesday  the 17th.


I will post here when it comes and I will start a thread to review it.


https://www.autominer.at/generation3

the nvidia version

 This is a review with the  option to buy it deal for me.

Should be  very nice to test.  I most likely will keep it.

[DJMinerOne]

Hi guys.

I want your opinion in nicehash now since they got hacked/whatever. I feel its really profitable when you can move funds freely to coinbase and then to GDAX with free withdraw. Seems like its one of the better options right now, or am i missing something?

Apart from high withdrawal fees (if not transferring to Coinbase).... its an easy and quick to sell hash power to buyers.

Which pool, which coin ... its quite tiring this chasing game... so if you want an easy way to accumulate BTC, yeah NH is a good place to be.

Yeah I'm at a point where I just throw everything at nicehash. I get slogged the full 5% fee which is annoying, but I will acquire more hash-rate to be able to mine 0.1 BTC within 4 days so that the fee is reduced to 3%.

From what I can tell, you pay 2% to nicehash wallet and to get it out of there you pay the network fee of 0.001 BTC - which probably totals 3% anyway.

I didn't know that it was free to coinbase - I will have to look into it.

Cryptonight in particular has been paying wayyy higher than ordinary XMR rates for a few weeks now. Equihash is quite strong as well.

Have you tried using Mining Pool Hub with "Autoswitch" (to automatically convert a mined coin to another... such as BTC)?  I haven't been able to do a scientific comparison, but comparing 8 days on NH to 8 days on MHP I've found MHP has a higher return and lower fees.  So I'm interested in your point of view.

[martyroz]

Yeah I'm at a point where I just throw everything at nicehash. I get slogged the full 5% fee which is annoying, but I will acquire more hash-rate to be able to mine 0.1 BTC within 4 days so that the fee is reduced to 3%.

From what I can tell, you pay 2% to nicehash wallet and to get it out of there you pay the network fee of 0.001 BTC - which probably totals 3% anyway.

I didn't know that it was free to coinbase - I will have to look into it.

Cryptonight in particular has been paying wayyy higher than ordinary XMR rates for a few weeks now. Equihash is quite strong as well.

Have you tried using Mining Pool Hub with "Autoswitch" (to automatically convert a mined coin to another... such as BTC)?  I haven't been able to do a scientific comparison, but comparing 8 days on NH to 8 days on MHP I've found MHP has a higher return and lower fees.  So I'm interested in your point of view.

I haven't looked at MPH. 50% of my rigs are on nvOC and I'm not sure if they can point to MPH. If there is a linux OS with MPH support, I would definitely try it.

[QuintLeo]

Out of interest, has any of you tried a riserless board with non-blower-style GPUs? Surely they're too close to eachother to work efficiently, i.e. heat cross-contamination must be terrible?...

Almost all of my 3-card FAH rigs were standard fan-type cooling.
That's WHY I first started buying the Gigabyte "ITX" cards - to allow the middle card to stay at least semi-cool.
Card temps WILL be quite a bit higher due to restricted airflow - even Blower cards have that issue as the airflow INTO the blower is restricted by card proximity, they just don't recirc the hot air inside a case nearly as much.

 Blower cards on an open air case don't do any better than fan-type cards.

[QuintLeo]

Where are you buying new cards, guys?
I checked both newegg and microcenter.
At newegg, there are only crazy prices starting with $950-1000 for 1070 and there is literally nothing at Microcenter.

 Mostly I'm not due to crazy pricing - but Newegg DOES sneak in a card restock occasionally.
 Just got an ASUS Turbo 1070 ti ordered today - actually saw the notification in time for a change. 8-)

 I'm sure they'll be out before I can order another one (limit 1 on them).

[QuintLeo]

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#TechTip - If you mine for #Bitcoin, #Ethereum or any other crypto-coin make sure you setup your miner software to restart automatically as a service. Failure to do so means Microsoft Windows Update will reboot you in the middle of the night and steal all your digital gold! #Fact

Well now you know... 

I saw that - hilarious!
By the way, his "beast miner" is basically two GPUs.

He'll get there. Good ol' Jerry!

 Wasn't he a semi-large Folding producer for a while?

[MagicSmoker]

Out of interest, has any of you tried a riserless board with non-blower-style GPUs? Surely they're too close to eachother to work efficiently, i.e. heat cross-contamination must be terrible?...

Almost all of my 3-card FAH rigs were standard fan-type cooling.
That's WHY I first started buying the Gigabyte "ITX" cards - to allow the middle card to stay at least semi-cool.
Card temps WILL be quite a bit higher due to restricted airflow - even Blower cards have that issue as the airflow INTO the blower is restricted by card proximity, they just don't recirc the hot air inside a case nearly as much.

 Blower cards on an open air case don't do any better than fan-type cards.

This is precisely what I was thinking of doing after dragonmike brought up the cooling issue - alternating a couple of "mini" cards with the longer dual fan ones. Should be better cooling all around, though my understanding is that the mini cards tend to have cooling issues in the first place.

[crushed]

Yeah I'm at a point where I just throw everything at nicehash. I get slogged the full 5% fee which is annoying, but I will acquire more hash-rate to be able to mine 0.1 BTC within 4 days so that the fee is reduced to 3%.

From what I can tell, you pay 2% to nicehash wallet and to get it out of there you pay the network fee of 0.001 BTC - which probably totals 3% anyway.

I didn't know that it was free to coinbase - I will have to look into it.

Cryptonight in particular has been paying wayyy higher than ordinary XMR rates for a few weeks now. Equihash is quite strong as well.

Have you tried using Mining Pool Hub with "Autoswitch" (to automatically convert a mined coin to another... such as BTC)?  I haven't been able to do a scientific comparison, but comparing 8 days on NH to 8 days on MHP I've found MHP has a higher return and lower fees.  So I'm interested in your point of view.

I haven't looked at MPH. 50% of my rigs are on nvOC and I'm not sure if they can point to MPH. If there is a linux OS with MPH support, I would definitely try it.

If you're not trying to do algo switching, you can use any miner and either mine specific coins or mine specific algos. I choose the latter and use Ubuntu/SMOS. If you try it out and use the auto-switch capability, you just have to be prepared to give it at least a few days. It take times to prime the pump and get things flowing. I would recommend NOT auto-switching to BTC since the transaction fees are so high.

[philipma1957]

Hi guys.

I want your opinion in nicehash now since they got hacked/whatever. I feel its really profitable when you can move funds freely to coinbase and then to GDAX with free withdraw. Seems like its one of the better options right now, or am i missing something?

Apart from high withdrawal fees (if not transferring to Coinbase).... its an easy and quick to sell hash power to buyers.

Which pool, which coin ... its quite tiring this chasing game... so if you want an easy way to accumulate BTC, yeah NH is a good place to be.

Yeah I'm at a point where I just throw everything at nicehash. I get slogged the full 5% fee which is annoying, but I will acquire more hash-rate to be able to mine 0.1 BTC within 4 days so that the fee is reduced to 3%.

From what I can tell, you pay 2% to nicehash wallet and to get it out of there you pay the network fee of 0.001 BTC - which probably totals 3% anyway.

I didn't know that it was free to coinbase - I will have to look into it.

Cryptonight in particular has been paying wayyy higher than ordinary XMR rates for a few weeks now. Equihash is quite strong as well.

Have you tried using Mining Pool Hub with "Autoswitch" (to automatically convert a mined coin to another... such as BTC)?  I haven't been able to do a scientific comparison, but comparing 8 days on NH to 8 days on MHP I've found MHP has a higher return and lower fees.  So I'm interested in your point of view.

The correct method to test is 2 identical rigs  point one to each pool. do this at the same time.

run from  Say feb 1 to feb 14.

switch the rigs to the other pools then run from feb 15 to feb 28.

much better test method.  but it still fails if one pool was getting dos attacks and the other  was not during the testing

To me  both are good. pools/services to mine  in order for me to really judge them I also need to  take into account the ease that I can mine to multiple btc addresses.

I  mine to trezor addresses for some partners  and it is very safe method with easy accounting to do it with nicehash it is a little hard to do it with mph

[GabryRox]

Where are you buying new cards, guys?
I checked both newegg and microcenter.
At newegg, there are only crazy prices starting with $950-1000 for 1070 and there is literally nothing at Microcenter.

 Mostly I'm not due to crazy pricing - but Newegg DOES sneak in a card restock occasionally.
 Just got an ASUS Turbo 1070 ti ordered today - actually saw the notification in time for a change. 8-)

 I'm sure they'll be out before I can order another one (limit 1 on them).

Yeah... i didn't get so lucky... got a notification on a Vega 56 from newegg earlier and logged on 30 seconds later and it was already sold out.  aside from those low odds crap-shoots, there is literally nothing available anywhere for at least 1 week now.  Not only that but mining Mobos and any PSU 1KW and over are either not available or 2-4x original pricing. Lets just say that if you don't have 80%+ of your components already, you will have to pay through the roof to complete it. I keep thinking that more stock will ease this up but it doenst appear to be the case yet.

[Marvell2]

Where are you buying new cards, guys?
I checked both newegg and microcenter.
At newegg, there are only crazy prices starting with $950-1000 for 1070 and there is literally nothing at Microcenter.

Hell, I checked 3 different Best Buys in the Tampa area yesterday and all I found was a single RX 560 (which I bought, though felt kind of stupid for doing so). Worse, though, is that there was an empty box for a GTX 1080 that said "Purchase at register" so I took the box to the register only to find out that, nope, they are out of stock.

Le sigh...

yeah my local micocenter has been bare for weeks,
pretty much standing pat, im not paying $600 for an rx 580 or $900 for a1070ti
which is why im selling my exces 8 gpu motherboards

this is so anoying, i passed on buying cards back in dec thinking they were too pricy smh

[GabryRox]

Where are you buying new cards, guys?
I checked both newegg and microcenter.
At newegg, there are only crazy prices starting with $950-1000 for 1070 and there is literally nothing at Microcenter.

Hell, I checked 3 different Best Buys in the Tampa area yesterday and all I found was a single RX 560 (which I bought, though felt kind of stupid for doing so). Worse, though, is that there was an empty box for a GTX 1080 that said "Purchase at register" so I took the box to the register only to find out that, nope, they are out of stock.

Le sigh...

yeah my local micocenter has been bare for weeks,
pretty much standing pat, im not paying $600 for an rx 580 or $900 for a1070ti
which is why im selling my exces 8 gpu motherboards

this is so anoying, i passed on buying cards back in dec thinking they were too pricy smh

Yeah, Im with you on that!  When I got my 4 1070ti's a few weeks back, I could have gotten more (in the $480 range) but held off. Then when i noticed supply getting worse, i still could have gotten enough 570 8GB for close to retail to build a rig of those, but I didn't pull the trigger.  Also, could have had a few good Mobos and more PSUs for much cheaper than they are now. at least i got a 1KW EVGA G2 for $100 and a Rosewill 1500w Plat for $280, but yeah it is very frustrating to realize that you could have bought these things even 2-3 weeks ago and now they're gone or way to expensive.

But Im also down with NOT paying the 2-4x markups just to complete rigs. It's better to just build a partial rig and then complete it with more GPUs later when availability gets better.  That's what I am going to... at least with my 1070ti's.  Im now on the fence about my 3 Vega's.  I could probably sell them for close to or over $1k each in this market...and not sure i really wanna deal with the issues that come with them... so might be better to just bank that $3k and invest elsewhere, but not sure yet.