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no PSU, tell me you`re joking! Power consumption: <=1875 Watts a 1500 watt PC PSU is 309 euro here!!!!!!!!!! are you telling me i have to pay 5450 GBP + 21% Dutch tax + a fucking 400 euro PSU!??!! original full copy of the januari website states "Power consumption: <= 600w" it also says "Appropriate power supply for customer country shall be provided." this psu shit will cost me an addition 300 to 400 euro 5450 GBP = 6837.74 Euro 6837.74 Euro .... 21% = 1435.9254 TAX + ---------------------------------------------------------- 8273,6654 400 PSU + ---------------------------------------------------------- 8673.6654 euro A.K.A 11618 dollar Scrypt Multipool 0.00056173 BTC/MHs http://poolpicker.eu/0.00056173 x 250MH/S = 0,1404325 per day (82.29 USD) 11618 dollar / 82.29 USD = Breakeven point 136,2176105053347 days (4,394116467914024 months) ow yeah and did i mention the 29 dollarcent per kilowatt energy prices in the netherlands? which is €3800.088 (5087.82 US Dollar) per YEAR
and all this glory could be mine IF i get a machine next monthyear 1 total income 51,2578625 btc = 30074.53 USD Year 1 total costs 12473,7534 euro = 16697.17 US Dollar - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13377,36 dollar profit *IF i get it next month, *IF multipool payouts remain constant *IF btc price does not fall, *IF powercosts do not rise *IF hardware doesnt break down during or after warranty period Take 2 1000 kW or 3 700 Watt PSU .... Please get back on point, you all are talking about shit that is imagined. |
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Back on fucking topic.... Stop with the bitching and moaning, and concentrate on the end goal. Forget the I told you so's. Again, rants and I told you so's are not helping. What we need is.... Ok guys I need some help. I just got my papers back, and Alpha is defending the claim I had on them. They sent me the paperwork for small claims track. Is anyone at this stage? They used the same shitty ass copy and paste response as a defence in this claim. Also their response is different than the original tos. I need some help guys... Here's a link, they are backwards the way they were sent, so start from the bottom. http://imgur.com/a/2IbnVYou know an alpha-lawsuit webforum has been setup aggregating all of this right? Your frustration is understandable, but this is an open forum whose only topic is Alpha Tec. So to be 'on topic' would be for you to actually go to the lawsuit webforum. I believe it is http://www.alpha-viper-group-action.com/ |
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Let's recover what we can. Sick of the bullshit I told you so's and I just got banned. WE ALL BEEN BANNED. With that said, lets do something about it.. Again, rants and I told you so's are not helping. What we need is.... Ok guys I need some help. I just got my papers back, and Alpha is defending the claim I had on them. They sent me the paperwork for small claims track. Is anyone at this stage? They used the same shitty ass copy and paste response as a defence in this claim. Also their response is different than the original tos. I need some help guys... Here's a link, they are backwards the way they were sent, so start from the bottom. http://imgur.com/a/2IbnV |
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no PSU, tell me you`re joking! Power consumption: <=1875 Watts a 1500 watt PC PSU is 309 euro here!!!!!!!!!! are you telling me i have to pay 5450 GBP + 21% Dutch tax + a fucking 400 euro PSU!??!! original full copy of the januari website states "Power consumption: <= 600w" it also says "Appropriate power supply for customer country shall be provided." this psu shit will cost me an addition 300 to 400 euro 5450 GBP = 6837.74 Euro 6837.74 Euro .... 21% = 1435.9254 TAX + ---------------------------------------------------------- 8273,6654 400 PSU + ---------------------------------------------------------- 8673.6654 euro A.K.A 11618 dollar Scrypt Multipool 0.00056173 BTC/MHs http://poolpicker.eu/0.00056173 x 250MH/S = 0,1404325 per day (82.29 USD) 11618 dollar / 82.29 USD = Breakeven point 136,2176105053347 days (4,394116467914024 months) ow yeah and did i mention the 29 dollarcent per kilowatt energy prices in the netherlands? which is €3800.088 (5087.82 US Dollar) per YEAR
and all this glory could be mine IF i get a machine next monthyear 1 total income 51,2578625 btc = 30074.53 USD Year 1 total costs 12473,7534 euro = 16697.17 US Dollar - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13377,36 dollar profit *IF i get it next month, *IF multipool payouts remain constant *IF btc price does not fall, *IF powercosts do not rise *IF hardware doesnt break down during or after warranty period Take 2 1000 kW or 3 700 Watt PSU .... Please get back on point, you all are talking about shit that is imagined. how is an exact calculation not on point? these are not calculations for a cupcake recipy |
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Back on fucking topic.... Stop with the bitching and moaning, and concentrate on the end goal. Forget the I told you so's. Again, rants and I told you so's are not helping. What we need is.... Ok guys I need some help. I just got my papers back, and Alpha is defending the claim I had on them. They sent me the paperwork for small claims track. Is anyone at this stage? They used the same shitty ass copy and paste response as a defence in this claim. Also their response is different than the original tos. I need some help guys... Here's a link, they are backwards the way they were sent, so start from the bottom. http://imgur.com/a/2IbnVYou know an alpha-lawsuit webforum has been setup aggregating all of this right? Your frustration is understandable, but this is an open forum whose only topic is Alpha Tec. So to be 'on topic' would be for you to actually go to the lawsuit webforum. I believe it is http://www.alpha-viper-group-action.com/ Lawyer said no.. please stop posting unless you have useful info. |
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Lawyer said no.. please stop posting unless you have useful info.
My useful information, along with anderl and retro's, is what has been helping the community. Your lawyer said no, then that's fine. This is still an open topic thread. So far, you've ruined one whole page with your large embedded quoting of telling people they bother you. Please refrain from requiring everyone bow to your preferences. Glean from this thread what is useful to you. Reading back 10 pages will provide all of your answers. how is an exact calculation not on point? these are not calculations for a cupcake recipy
bumface, you're correct in looking at the PSU situation that way. Their recent change of heart was that they would include the appropriate power solution, which should save you this extra expense--though shipping and VAT on it will hurt. |
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Back on fucking topic.... Stop with the bitching and moaning, and concentrate on the end goal. Forget the I told you so's. Again, rants and I told you so's are not helping. What we need is.... Ok guys I need some help. I just got my papers back, and Alpha is defending the claim I had on them. They sent me the paperwork for small claims track. Is anyone at this stage? They used the same shitty ass copy and paste response as a defence in this claim. Also their response is different than the original tos. I need some help guys... Here's a link, they are backwards the way they were sent, so start from the bottom. http://imgur.com/a/2IbnVOk Scooby they state that HMRC taxes it. HMRC taxes the transactions made with it as it does when you make a transaction on anything. It is not your duty to register as a business. as a consumer, you only need to submit a tax return in the UK when you change the coin into GBP or trade it for an item that has GBP value. Check with an accountant and quote the hell out of HMRCs brief http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/vat/brief0914.htm It is not a money printing machine. you still have to do things with it after "mining" to get value. Customers must abide by UK law, not AT Law. AT has not delivered after the 10 weeks they said they would. this is a clear bread of contract. So when did you pay the 70%? then ten weeks from that date is when they should have shipped and they told us all they were not going to meet the deadline. read these forums again this is nothing new and can be argued out. PM me and i can share with you my full Statement of Claim I am preparing.  but it would Help if you have paid in full 10 weeks or more ago. then there are other options to explore. They think they will wriggle off the hook with us being businesses. I work with Homeless people everyday and this is a side thing. Yes it might make money. I hoped i would be able to trade the coins to break even but it was always something of a personal project and hobby. but they have not delivered. Check out my post above too. I am not a lawyer but happy to help if i can. if you are unsure about anything you need to consult a lawyer. Edit: sorry the photos are hard to read. just realised they assert you have not paid your 70% this will put you in a different situation from me. You need to really focus your argument on the Consumer/Business debate. This is what they are relying on. you may need an accountant to show you are not reliant on this product as your main source of income, i.e. you have a job or another business. |
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Back on fucking topic.... Stop with the bitching and moaning, and concentrate on the end goal. Forget the I told you so's. Again, rants and I told you so's are not helping. What we need is.... Ok guys I need some help. I just got my papers back, and Alpha is defending the claim I had on them. They sent me the paperwork for small claims track. Is anyone at this stage? They used the same shitty ass copy and paste response as a defence in this claim. Also their response is different than the original tos. I need some help guys... Here's a link, they are backwards the way they were sent, so start from the bottom. http://imgur.com/a/2IbnVOk Scooby they state that HMRC taxes it. HMRC taxes the transactions made with it as it does when you make a transaction on anything. It is not your duty to register as a business. as a consumer, you only need to submit a tax return in the UK when you change the coin into GBP or trade it for an item that has GBP value. Check with an accountant and quote the hell out of HMRCs brief http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/vat/brief0914.htm It is not a money printing machine. you still have to do things with it after "mining" to get value. Customers must abide by UK law, not AT Law. AT has not delivered after the 10 weeks they said they would. this is a clear bread of contract. So when did you pay the 70%? then ten weeks from that date is when they should have shipped and they told us all they were not going to meet the deadline. read these forums again this is nothing new and can be argued out. PM me and i can share with you my full Statement of Claim I am preparing. but it would Help if you have paid in full 10 weeks or more ago. then there are other options to explore. They think they will wriggle off the hook with us being businesses. I work with Homeless people everyday and this is a side thing. Yes it might make money. I hoped i would be able to trade the coins to break even but it was always something of a personal project and hobby. but they have not delivered. Check out my post above too. I am not a lawyer but happy to help if i can. if you are unsure about anything you need to consult a lawyer. Finally a useful post. Point being we ALL need a concise document to hit them with. There will be those that still believe in AT. I for one do not obviously. I also find it humorous that people still talk specs here as this product is dead. If they handed it to you tomorrow, you lost money. Give it up folks. Many posters here have contributed invaluable information. if you go back and read my request, and look at the pics, you can see I am obviously in get em mode. AT, you stole 6500 from me, I want it back, and fuck your half offer (perhaps instead of 2 you pay for one) and stocks for that matter. |
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Ok Scooby they state that HMRC taxes it. HMRC taxes the transactions made with it as it does when you make a transaction on anything. It is not your duty to register as a business. as a consumer, you only need to submit a tax return in the UK when you change the coin into GBP or trade it for an item that has GBP value. Check with an accountant and quote the hell out of HMRCs brief http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/vat/brief0914.htm It is not a money printing machine. you still have to do things with it after "mining" to get value. Customers must abide by UK law, not AT Law. AT has not delivered after the 10 weeks they said they would. this is a clear bread of contract. So when did you pay the 70%? then ten weeks from that date is when they should have shipped and they told us all they were not going to meet the deadline. read these forums again this is nothing new and can be argued out. PM me and i can share with you my full Statement of Claim I am preparing. but it would Help if you have paid in full 10 weeks or more ago. then there are other options to explore. They think they will wriggle off the hook with us being businesses. I work with Homeless people everyday and this is a side thing. Yes it might make money. I hoped i would be able to trade the coins to break even but it was always something of a personal project and hobby. but they have not delivered. Check out my post above too. I am not a lawyer but happy to help if i can. if you are unsure about anything you need to consult a lawyer. I just read Scooby's forms. Seems simple enough. I think we should help Scooby get this claim going as if it is successful it will start a snowball effect. I suggest we do it via PM. As Derekman is also doing the same I suggest you two get in touch. If you need another opinion please feel free to PM me with your ideas and strategies and I will be happy to help where I can. |
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August 08, 2014, 03:13:41 PM |
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Edit: sorry the photos are hard to read. just realised they assert you have not paid your 70% this will put you in a different situation from me. You need to really focus your argument on the Consumer/Business debate. This is what they are relying on. you may need an accountant to show you are not reliant on this product as your main source of income, i.e. you have a job or another business.
I don't think not paying the 70% is particularly relevant with regard to the 8-10 week shipping date. The fact that Alpha REQUESTED it is the key. They say in their T&Cs balances will be collected 8-10 weeks before the SHIPPING DATE. Not, "Your item will be shipped 8-10 weeks after receiving full payment". This may seem small but it implies that those that paid 10 weeks ago should have their item and those that pay today will get it 8-10 weeks from now. This is clearly not the case. Alpha were supposed to ship 8-10 weeks after they requested final payment that is why they repeatedly said the 31st of July would be the worst case shipping date. Exactly 10 weeks from the final payment demand. Also the lack of Paypal/CC payment options removed the ability of many customers to pay. They also said the EXACT SHIPPING DATE was to be provided when payment was requested This was not the case. All of these are breaches of contract no matter how Alpha slice it. If they are going to argue this case based on their T&Cs I think they are in big trouble. |
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August 08, 2014, 03:36:25 PM |
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 Conjecture about T&C and other facts related to this issue is no substitute for getting the help of a practicing solicitor. |
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I am drafting a lawsuit. I am also challenging the 30% deposit with my bank. I will be posting relevant breach portions next week that should apply to any common law jurisdiction (including the UK). I will also post my fraudulent inducement argument (which is 100% solid in the US and should work in the UK since it is pretty much the same law). I am not posting it as legal advice. I am not posting it somewhere where Alpha can see it. They will see it when my process server shoves it in their greedy faces. I will not be suing them in the UK. They will have to fly to the States or hire a US attorney to defend themselves. US jurisdiction allows me to sue them here because they targeted US customers, they reasonably expected therefore to be haled into court here. If they didn't, they shouldn't have sold to US customers (specifically me). Finally, I will 100% win on a local statutory fraud count against them. My local fraud statute covers even INNOCENT MISREPRESENTATIONS that are not corrected by a business to consumers. Consumers, in that statute, are defined as including even BUSINESSES that purchase products from other businesses so their bullshit business argument won't work. Since I never intended to sell my Viper, it will work 100%. I've won about 8 lawsuits so far for clients, never anticipated doing one for myself, using this argument. Against major banks, big Fortune 500 businesses, and local contractors. The statute grants attorneys fees, costs, punitive damages, and actual damages (I'm going to push for $50,000 in punitive damages). Their 2 bit solicitors will get royally fucked if they fight because I will rack up attorneys fees and still win. There are NO DEFENSES to statutory fraud -- it is strict liability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_liability"The term "consumer" means any person who purchases or contracts for the purchase of merchandise not for resale in the ordinary course of his trade or business but for his use or that of a member of his household." "The term "person" includes any natural person or his legal representative, partnership, corporation (domestic and foreign), company, trust, business entity or association, and any agent, employee, salesman, partner, officer, director, member, stockholder, associate, trustee or cestui que trust thereof." I will say that I am not representing myself -- my brother, unfortunately, paid the 30% deposit and placed the order. I told him it was a good opportunity and I regret that to this day. That's why I'm vehemently trying to make this right for him but Alpha is so blatantly unremorsefully shameless that I probably have to slap them with a big judgment and seize their personal property (I've made more than one fraud defendant HOMELESS) before they come to terms with their illegal acts. I am a bulldog and I don't let go after I tear a piece of a shady Defendant's ass out. |
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Conjecture about T&C and other facts related to this issue is no substitute for getting the help of a practicing solicitor. ^^this I am drafting a lawsuit. I am also challenging the 30% deposit with my bank. I will be posting relevant breach portions next week that should apply to any common law jurisdiction (including the UK). I will also post my fraudulent inducement argument (which is 100% solid in the US and should work in the UK since it is pretty much the same law). I am not posting it as legal advice. I am not posting it somewhere where Alpha can see it. They will see it when my process server shoves it in their greedy faces. I will not be suing them in the UK. They will have to fly to the States or hire a US attorney to defend themselves. US jurisdiction allows me to sue them here because they targeted US customers, they reasonably expected therefore to be haled into court here. If they didn't, they shouldn't have sold to US customers (specifically me). Finally, I will 100% win on a local statutory fraud count against them. My local fraud statute covers even INNOCENT MISREPRESENTATIONS that are not corrected by a business to consumers. Consumers, in that statute, are defined as including even BUSINESSES that purchase products from other businesses so their bullshit business argument won't work. Since I never intended to sell my Viper, it will work 100%. I've won about 8 lawsuits so far for clients, never anticipated doing one for myself, using this argument. Against major banks, big Fortune 500 businesses, and local contractors. The statute grants attorneys fees, costs, punitive damages, and actual damages (I'm going to push for $50,000 in punitive damages). Their 2 bit solicitors will get royally fucked if they fight because I will rack up attorneys fees and still win. There are NO DEFENSES to statutory fraud -- it is strict liability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_liability"The term "consumer" means any person who purchases or contracts for the purchase of merchandise not for resale in the ordinary course of his trade or business but for his use or that of a member of his household." "The term "person" includes any natural person or his legal representative, partnership, corporation (domestic and foreign), company, trust, business entity or association, and any agent, employee, salesman, partner, officer, director, member, stockholder, associate, trustee or cestui que trust thereof." I will say that I am not representing myself -- my brother, unfortunately, paid the 30% deposit and placed the order. I told him it was a good opportunity and I regret that to this day. That's why I'm vehemently trying to make this right for him but Alpha is so blatantly unremorsefully shameless that I probably have to slap them with a big judgment and seize their personal property (I've made more than one fraud defendant HOMELESS) before they come to terms with their illegal acts. I am a bulldog and I don't let go after I tear a piece of a shady Defendant's ass out. But first let us win our law suits.  |
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August 08, 2014, 08:17:06 PM |
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no PSU, tell me you`re joking! Power consumption: <=1875 Watts a 1500 watt PC PSU is 309 euro here!!!!!!!!!! are you telling me i have to pay 5450 GBP + 21% Dutch tax + a fucking 400 euro PSU!??!! original full copy of the januari website states "Power consumption: <= 600w" it also says "Appropriate power supply for customer country shall be provided." this psu shit will cost me an addition 300 to 400 euro 5450 GBP = 6837.74 Euro 6837.74 Euro .... 21% = 1435.9254 TAX + ---------------------------------------------------------- 8273,6654 400 PSU + ---------------------------------------------------------- 8673.6654 euro A.K.A 11618 dollar Scrypt Multipool 0.00056173 BTC/MHs http://poolpicker.eu/0.00056173 x 250MH/S = 0,1404325 per day (82.29 USD) 11618 dollar / 82.29 USD = Breakeven point 136,2176105053347 days (4,394116467914024 months) ow yeah and did i mention the 29 dollarcent per kilowatt energy prices in the netherlands? which is €3800.088 (5087.82 US Dollar) per YEAR
and all this glory could be mine IF i get a machine next monthyear 1 total income 51,2578625 btc = 30074.53 USD Year 1 total costs 12473,7534 euro = 16697.17 US Dollar - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13377,36 dollar profit *IF i get it next month, *IF multipool payouts remain constant *IF btc price does not fall, *IF powercosts do not rise *IF hardware doesnt break down during or after warranty period Take 2 1000 kW or 3 700 Watt PSU .... You can't just stick 2 or 3 PSUs onto the same device, it'll screw things up big-time. That's what disturbs me, there are TEN power connectors. You'd need at least 3 external powersupplies... that simply will not work. It will fry something, or worse, catch fire. |
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Is it possible Alpha-T has given up entirely on fabrication and is buying the boards from elsewhere, hence the big change in having lots of smaller boards?
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August 08, 2014, 08:32:14 PM |
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Is it possible Alpha-T has given up entirely on fabrication and is buying the boards from elsewhere, hence the big change in having lots of smaller boards?
It's all vaporware. The fact that they are still "THINKING" of changing things around this late in the game means they have completely failed. They will not deliver anything, ever. They are busy hiding their personal assets while they prepare for the company to go bankrupt and sell everything to another company... that with the same owners for pennies. They'll pocket MILLIONS. I've seen this before, boat assembly plant... went belly up, then mysteriously was operating again at full capacity under a different company, same owners and just as mysteriously, the new company had no debts. |
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Is it possible Alpha-T has given up entirely on fabrication and is buying the boards from elsewhere, hence the big change in having lots of smaller boards?
Is it possible Alpha-T NEVER INTENDED to deliver the Viper ?7 WEEKS TO THE END OF SEPTEMBER |
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Dear Mr XXXX
We have spoken to a neighbouring business who advised that your debtor’s shop has not been opened for a few months and he has had numerous people coming in about them. He said he is aware that they took a lot of deposits and then left. Seemed to think this was a scam.
Unfortunately the director of the business has used the same address as his registered office and we are therefore unable to locate any further information on this company.
We are unable to assist any further.
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Dear Mr XXXX
We have spoken to a neighbouring business who advised that your debtor’s shop has not been opened for a few months and he has had numerous people coming in about them. He said he is aware that they took a lot of deposits and then left. Seemed to think this was a scam.
Unfortunately the director of the business has used the same address as his registered office and we are therefore unable to locate any further information on this company.
We are unable to assist any further.
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