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April 27, 2018, 06:23:35 PM 

All these measures won't stop bot users just because of one reason: Bot users can calculate with the AVERAGE claim amount, because for example if a bot user has 1000 accounts that claim 24/7, he will roll a 10000 almost every day  It's pure statistics. Therefore the amount bot users will calculate with is the AVERAGE claim amount, not the MINIMUM. The AVERAGE claim amount is currently around 172 satoshi. Before you halfed the MINIMUM reward it was like 10 satoshi higher, so not significaltly different. All this does only apply to users with lots of accounts, cause they will hit the high rewards in reasonable time. Regular users will need multiple years because of the low chances.
I wouldn't be so sure. If each roll is an independent event (and very likely this is the case), the chance to get a 10.000 is always the same regardless of the number of rolls you make. And it is equal to the chance to get every other number. In my opinion is also wrong your assumed average: you can easily roll 10.000 getting always the min amount. Then, if you want to support your theory and you want to come to the average you say by including in the sample rolls paid more than the min (but having the same chance to happen of all the others) you are simply choosing an arbitrary interval and produced a biased result. All of this if each event (=roll) is set as an independent one. If you evidence that is not so, please let me know What you are saying is absolutly true. Every roll is an independent event, so the chance to roll a 10000 is always the same. The statistical average can be calculated easy: You multiply every reward with it's probability and sum them up. You have to note for this that the 0 and the 10000 have only half the probability as all other numbers. (That was discussed multiple times before and is true!) By doing this you basically assume that in 20000 rolls you will roll one time the 0 and the 10000 and two times all other numbers. Of course you can roll 20000 without rolling the 10000 once, but you can also roll the 10000 one, two three ... times in the 20000 rolls. By calculating the average you calculate these fluctuations out. If you roll infinite times you will hit exactly the average and if you roll like 2000000 times, you will get close to it. If you are a legit player, you roll maybe 15 times a day. With this speed you need almost 370 years to get to 2000000 rolls, but if you are a bot user with 1000 bots that claim 24/7, you get 2000000 rolls in less than 90 days! Therefore legit players can't really calculate with the AVERAGE claim amount because they would need just way too long to get to an amount of claims where the fluctuations are negliable. A bot user can claculate with the AVERAGE claim amount because he will reach a very large amount of claims in a few months. Because of this a legit user is motly affected by the minimum claim amount and the lower reward stages. A bot user can calculate with a income close to statistical AVERAGE because of negliable statistical fluctuations and is therfore mostly affected by the higher reward stages and not the minimum reward. Since only the minimum reward was changed, bot users are only a bit affected by it. It's all pure statistics.





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April 27, 2018, 07:00:49 PM 

What you are saying is absolutly true. Every roll is an independent event, so the chance to roll a 10000 is always the same. The statistical average can be calculated easy: You multiply every reward with it's probability and sum them up. You have to note for this that the 0 and the 10000 have only half the probability as all other numbers. (That was discussed multiple times before and is true!) By doing this you basically assume that in 20000 rolls you will roll one time the 0 and the 10000 and two times all other numbers. Of course you can roll 20000 without rolling the 10000 once, but you can also roll the 10000 one, two three ... times in the 20000 rolls. By calculating the average you calculate these fluctuations out. If you roll infinite times you will hit exactly the average and if you roll like 2000000 times, you will get close to it.
The problem with this statement is that your expected value depends on the number of events you count to get it. Change that number and your expected value will change as well. In other words, you have as many different expected values (or average as you call them) as the number of events you count in your series. By the way it is not clear to me why 0 and 10k should have only half of the probability in respect of all the other numbers.




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April 27, 2018, 07:23:56 PM 

What you are saying is absolutly true. Every roll is an independent event, so the chance to roll a 10000 is always the same. The statistical average can be calculated easy: You multiply every reward with it's probability and sum them up. You have to note for this that the 0 and the 10000 have only half the probability as all other numbers. (That was discussed multiple times before and is true!) By doing this you basically assume that in 20000 rolls you will roll one time the 0 and the 10000 and two times all other numbers. Of course you can roll 20000 without rolling the 10000 once, but you can also roll the 10000 one, two three ... times in the 20000 rolls. By calculating the average you calculate these fluctuations out. If you roll infinite times you will hit exactly the average and if you roll like 2000000 times, you will get close to it.
The problem with this statement is that your expected value depends on the number of events you count to get it. Change that number and your expected value will change as well. In other words, you have as many different expected values (or average as you call them) as the number of events you count in your series. By the way it is not clear to me why 0 and 10k should have only half of the probability in respect of all the other numbers. The thing with the half probability is easy: They generate a number from 0 to 4,294,967,296 and then divide it by 429,496.7296 resulting in a number from 0 to 10,000 which is then rounded giving the rolled number. All numbers from 0 to 0.4999999... will be rounded down to 0 resulting in a rolled 0. All numbers from 9,999.5 to 10,000 will be rounded up and result in a rolled 10,000. If I now look for example at the 5,000, it is being rolled either if a number from 4,999.5 to 5,000 is rounded up or if a number from 5,000 to 5,000.499999... is rounded down. In other words a 0 can only be resched by rounding down and a 10,000 only by rounding up while every other number can be reached either by rounding up or down. Therefore the 0 and the 10,000 are only half as probable as all other numbers. To the average: There is only ONE AVERAGE. Of course if you roll, there is always a probability not hitting average, but the more often you roll the more close your average claim amount gets to the global average. To demonstrate the calculation of the global average lets assume all numbers were equally probabale because that easies the calculations. Because of this I assume all numbers would be rolled exactly once to make all numbers appear exactly with the same probability as proposed. Then I sum up all rewards I would get by rolling each number once and divide by 10,001, because I summed up the rewards of 10,001 numbers. If this is still unclear, please read some literature about stochastics, because I don't think I can explain this very well in this thread, but I am 100% sure that my calculations are correct.




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April 28, 2018, 03:45:11 AM 

Ignoring for a moment that you are definitely not giving free money, you have ads and a pretty rigged dice game, you expect people to just believe in your "stats"? Keep that hubris in check btw, that thing takes entire empires down.
There are no adverts and the dice game is provably fair. The free rolls are free to play and you are guaranteed to get a reward so it definitely is giving free money.




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April 28, 2018, 04:02:12 AM 

Ignoring for a moment that you are definitely not giving free money, you have ads and a pretty rigged dice game, you expect people to just believe in your "stats"? Keep that hubris in check btw, that thing takes entire empires down.
There are no adverts and the dice game is provably fair. The free rolls are free to play and you are guaranteed to get a reward so it definitely is giving free money. I stand corrected, my mistake, confused this with another thread, post deleted.




TheQuin


April 28, 2018, 04:22:09 AM 

I stand corrected, my mistake, confused this with another thread, post deleted.
No problem, I'm always happy to clarify that anyway.




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April 28, 2018, 09:06:23 AM 

Thanks Freebit
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April 28, 2018, 11:20:20 AM 

dear administrators, what happened, I have problems with paying bounty to the company, wrote a telegram to them and they blamed me for it




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April 28, 2018, 09:03:08 PM 

What is going on with freebitcoin? For a month or so just problems ... with what it costs to get points when I already have them or can not roll, last week did not let me activate the reward of points and now ... I ban my ip seriously This page is becoming scam, if it continues like this, you will have one less user and all my group of referrals will take me with me ... it has been fine while it lasted but It is already becoming a sacrifice for all.




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April 28, 2018, 09:07:30 PM 

My IP address has been blocked from playing the FREE PLAY game in freebitco.in and freedoge.co.in
freebitco.in ID12557075 freedoge.co.in ID 2167425
Please fix




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April 28, 2018, 09:32:19 PM 

I've registered just to say goodbye to freebitco, I've blocked the ip and several times, I unlocked it, I blocked it again .... and is well man, and do not come with me that gives free claims because I have left x1000 times more in the multiply .... come on man !!!




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April 28, 2018, 09:34:56 PM 

My IP address has been blocked from freebitco.in ID 12245628 Please fix it. Thanks




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April 28, 2018, 09:59:52 PM 

My IP address has been blocked too:( ID 11499129 Please fix it




TheQuin


April 29, 2018, 05:28:27 AM 

Are you guys all using the same IP address?
We only block IP addresses when they are abused by multiple accounts. Some ISPs use shared IP addresses or reallocate dynamic IP addresses. Try rebooting your router and if that doesn't help PM me your IP address as well as your user ID and I'll ask wetsuit to take a look and see why it was banned.




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April 29, 2018, 07:14:22 AM 

Disable reward points, blocked ip and accounts. What next?? Will you disable free roll?? Goodbye freebitco.in




TheQuin


April 29, 2018, 07:32:02 AM 

Disable reward points, blocked ip and accounts. What next?? Will you disable free roll?? Goodbye freebitco.in
IP addresses are usually banned because they have been abused. Are you using multiple accounts or a bot?




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April 29, 2018, 08:22:09 AM 

My IP address has been blocked too:( ID 11499129 Please fix it
try to bet and lose you money, then they will unblock your account. this is only way




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April 29, 2018, 08:32:58 AM 

My IP address has been blocked too:( ID 11499129 Please fix it
try to bet and lose you money, then they will unblock your account. this is only way very funny)) again showed their greed, blocked the accounts and the type of real users




TheQuin


April 29, 2018, 08:34:31 AM 

very funny)) again showed their greed, blocked the accounts and the type of real users
How do you know it is a real user? You're pretty full of yourself, but you're petty small time botter compared to what we deal with every day.




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April 29, 2018, 08:53:55 AM 

very funny)) again showed their greed, blocked the accounts and the type of real users
How do you know it is a real user? You're pretty full of yourself, but you're petty small time botter compared to what we deal with every day. can you tell the bots from real? I understand you perfectly, but real users suffer from your mistakes. in another topic I wrote that you did a good job  I was wrong, people have problems because of the innovations that do not work properly. screenshot of errors in the browser https://prnt.sc/jbiyb2




