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Author Topic: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC🏎Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest  (Read 401874 times)
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August 28, 2014, 10:23:48 AM
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Also keep in mind that freebitco.in's purported average payout per free roll is about 5-10 times the most common one you're likely to get when averaged over long periods when you "should" be getting the higher prizes as well. (I haven't got myself anything over 9993 and I will believe that is possible when I will see it AND when it will match the site's purported claim of the frequency of said number over long periods of playing.)


 Yes but easy name to remember can't be only reason , I mean like I said , its not the best faucet , its not the best dice nor its not the best affiliate program. So why this website and not something that looks better,  gives more coins as faucet and has a better dice game? There is only one example in my mind which is primedice which already makes good bucks probably even more than freebitcoin but I really wondered why this thing got this famous. It definetly doesnt deserve to Cheesy

And what's the best faucet in your opinion? It should be the one paying most for playing a realistic amount of time (let's say it should be 10 free rolls per day for a site like freebitco.in). It's irrelevant to most people that it doesn't look great. Neither does eBay, but people don't go there to admire gradients. So is there another faucet paying better per 24h vs. freebitco.in where one plays 10 rolls per day?

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August 29, 2014, 09:42:00 AM
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Another thing that doesn't look right (in my opinion at least) is the fact that the previous roll details are gone if you refresh the page. Those should be kept forever until the next roll (they surely shouldn't take that much space). Otherwise the user might be prevented from checking the previous roll if for some reason the page is reloaded (either by himself or the server).

Also keep in mind that freebitco.in's purported average payout per free roll is about 5-10 times the most common one you're likely to get when averaged over long periods when you "should" be getting the higher prizes as well. (I haven't got myself anything over 9993 and I will believe that is possible when I will see it AND when it will match the site's purported claim of the frequency of said number over long periods of playing.)


 Yes but easy name to remember can't be only reason , I mean like I said , its not the best faucet , its not the best dice nor its not the best affiliate program. So why this website and not something that looks better,  gives more coins as faucet and has a better dice game? There is only one example in my mind which is primedice which already makes good bucks probably even more than freebitcoin but I really wondered why this thing got this famous. It definetly doesnt deserve to Cheesy

And what's the best faucet in your opinion? It should be the one paying most for playing a realistic amount of time (let's say it should be 10 free rolls per day for a site like freebitco.in). It's irrelevant to most people that it doesn't look great. Neither does eBay, but people don't go there to admire gradients. So is there another faucet paying better per 24h vs. freebitco.in where one plays 10 rolls per day?

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August 29, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
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OK, so to be more constructive, here's my current best solution: simply make sure that the server seed and nonce will not change for a user until they are successfully used for a roll. This would make it impossible for the site to "skip" certain combinations if the outcome is too beneficial to a user.

That is exactly what happens now. The server seed, nonce and balance are updated in the same mysql statement, so if a roll is unsuccesful (ie. the balance remains unchanged), the server seed and nonce is re-used in the next roll.

Why r u using adsense on gambling site ? This is violation of adsense TOS. They'll ban u if it comes to their notice.

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August 29, 2014, 08:15:10 PM
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That sounds simple enough, I shall look into implementing that.

Another thing that doesn't look right (in my opinion at least) is the fact that the previous roll details are gone if you refresh the page. Those should be kept forever until the next roll (they surely shouldn't take that much space). Otherwise the user might be prevented from checking the previous roll if for some reason the page is reloaded (either by himself or the server).


OK, so to be more constructive, here's my current best solution: simply make sure that the server seed and nonce will not change for a user until they are successfully used for a roll. This would make it impossible for the site to "skip" certain combinations if the outcome is too beneficial to a user.

That is exactly what happens now. The server seed, nonce and balance are updated in the same mysql statement, so if a roll is unsuccesful (ie. the balance remains unchanged), the server seed and nonce is re-used in the next roll.

Why r u using adsense on gambling site ? This is violation of adsense TOS. They'll ban u if it comes to their notice.

I have pre-approval from adsense.

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August 30, 2014, 09:38:39 AM
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It's very nice of you to make this website. But a lot still need to be improved, just keep up Smiley
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August 30, 2014, 03:14:49 PM
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It's very nice of you to make this website. But a lot still need to be improved, just keep up Smiley

What improvements would you suggest ?

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August 30, 2014, 05:28:00 PM
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It's very nice of you to make this website. But a lot still need to be improved, just keep up Smiley

What improvements would you suggest ?
A nicer UI.
The current look does not reflect its awesomeness.
Very bland.
PM me if you want a new design Wink

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Last edit: August 31, 2014, 11:29:07 AM by somebits
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Me again. Pardon my paranoia but I think that if it is important for this category of sites to be provably fair, then it's reasonable for us users to doubt the fairness of these websites.

While going through the log I started to keep (less than 2 months ago) of free rolls I noticed that the server seed hash was different from the one originally in the pop-up before the roll for one of my free rolls. Has the server changed its original seed because this one led to a good number? Maybe I made a mistake when noting down the value, but I doubt it because I tend to be careful, and also, the values before and after match, and this particular value does not resemble any other value in my list. I'll continue to log these values and check them, will keep you posted if I notice this again for any of my previously logged values or values in the future.

Folks, if the site says it's provably fair it doesn't have to mean the site really has to be fair. I wonder, how many people check their rolls? How many people use their own client seeds? What is the probability that when someone rarely goes to check a roll, that it's really that one good free roll the server might want to fake? And how many users check that the server seed hash in the "previous roll" section is the same one originally shown (because if they don't the server can freely change its seed if it doesn't like the outcome, but the section will still check out with the roll verifier)?

I don't believe there should be any problems with the multiply rolls - there, the house's part is clearly cut and it doesn't have to cheat because it always wins on average, but it would be rational (if dishonest) - from a profit maximizing perspective - for this to be the case for the free rolls.

Improvements to the site to prevent this from being possible:

* Maybe log the values (if the user requests this) to some place which is not under the control of the server (like for example sending the values controlled by the server which are to be used for the next roll to the user, by email), like so: after each roll, send the user an email with this data:
  1.) client seed, server seed, nonce, server seed hash AND the corresponding rolled number generated
  2.) server seed hash, nonce, server seed that are to be used for the next roll, and which the user will be able to find in his next email (together with the server seed and the resulted rolled number)

* Make a code (maybe a JS the user can paste in the browser inspector so that it will be under the user's control) that will automatically check all rolls for a user. It should also be made to check the pre-roll vs post-roll values because if the server decides to change its server seed, then the "previous roll" section will check out, just that it will not be fair because the original server seed might have led to a good number...

These should be IMO more important than having a nice design.


It's very nice of you to make this website. But a lot still need to be improved, just keep up Smiley

What improvements would you suggest ?
A nicer UI.
The current look does not reflect its awesomeness.
Very bland.
PM me if you want a new design Wink
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September 01, 2014, 10:17:00 PM
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That sounds simple enough, I shall look into implementing that.

Another thing that doesn't look right (in my opinion at least) is the fact that the previous roll details are gone if you refresh the page. Those should be kept forever until the next roll (they surely shouldn't take that much space). Otherwise the user might be prevented from checking the previous roll if for some reason the page is reloaded (either by himself or the server).


OK, so to be more constructive, here's my current best solution: simply make sure that the server seed and nonce will not change for a user until they are successfully used for a roll. This would make it impossible for the site to "skip" certain combinations if the outcome is too beneficial to a user.

That is exactly what happens now. The server seed, nonce and balance are updated in the same mysql statement, so if a roll is unsuccesful (ie. the balance remains unchanged), the server seed and nonce is re-used in the next roll.

Why r u using adsense on gambling site ? This is violation of adsense TOS. They'll ban u if it comes to their notice.

I have pre-approval from adsense.

When u say this, do u feel confident ?

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September 02, 2014, 07:10:59 AM
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It's very nice of you to make this website. But a lot still need to be improved, just keep up Smiley

What improvements would you suggest ?
A nicer UI.
The current look does not reflect its awesomeness.
Very bland.
PM me if you want a new design Wink

wetsuit, don't believe these guys. After they implement their "new designs", the site may look sleek and nice indeed, but it usually becomes impossible to play there. Keep it clean and simple as it is...

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September 02, 2014, 08:13:05 AM
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It's very nice of you to make this website. But a lot still need to be improved, just keep up Smiley

What improvements would you suggest ?
A nicer UI.
The current look does not reflect its awesomeness.
Very bland.
PM me if you want a new design Wink

wetsuit, don't believe these guys. After they implement their "new designs", the site may look sleek and nice indeed, but it usually becomes impossible to play there. Keep it clean and simple as it is...

Exactly simple is the key in this.

So u will have more of them dont bother with new design keep it just the way it is.



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September 02, 2014, 01:02:03 PM
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Anyone has calculated how many BTC do you get per hour in average at Free Bitcoin?
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September 03, 2014, 04:25:55 AM
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I just get a little bitcoin from there, is there a trick in order to get more
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September 03, 2014, 05:00:33 AM
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Anyone has calculated how many BTC do you get per hour in average at Free Bitcoin?

I just wonder this myself. I want to hear people's opinion on this site. If it is actually viable, and not just another waste of time.
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September 03, 2014, 07:26:18 AM
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Anyone has calculated how many BTC do you get per hour in average at Free Bitcoin?

At this very moment, the payout for the numbers are:

LUCKY NUMBER PAYOUT
0 - 9885 0.00000422 BTC
9886 - 9985 0.00004219 BTC
9986 - 9993 0.00042187 BTC
9994 - 9997 0.00421870 BTC
9998 - 9999 0.04218697 BTC
10000 0.42186973 BTC

So, on average you can expect to get 98.855% * 0.00000422 + 1% * 0.00004219 + 0.08% * 0.00042187 + 0.04% * 0.0042187 + 0.02% * 0.04218697 + 0.005% * 0.42186973 = 3615 satoshi each claim. Smiley

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September 03, 2014, 10:30:36 AM
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Anyone has calculated how many BTC do you get per hour in average at Free Bitcoin?

At this very moment, the payout for the numbers are:

LUCKY NUMBER PAYOUT
0 - 9885 0.00000422 BTC
9886 - 9985 0.00004219 BTC
9986 - 9993 0.00042187 BTC
9994 - 9997 0.00421870 BTC
9998 - 9999 0.04218697 BTC
10000 0.42186973 BTC

So, on average you can expect to get 98.855% * 0.00000422 + 1% * 0.00004219 + 0.08% * 0.00042187 + 0.04% * 0.0042187 + 0.02% * 0.04218697 + 0.005% * 0.42186973 = 3615 satoshi each claim. Smiley


That's like $0.02 per hour. Even less for those that then gamble it at the jackpot, which has EV<0. It isn't worth it unless you can bot it or something.
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September 05, 2014, 04:12:09 PM
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Anyone has calculated how many BTC do you get per hour in average at Free Bitcoin?

I just wonder this myself. I want to hear people's opinion on this site. If it is actually viable, and not just another waste of time.
Of course its a waste of time if you're trying to make an INCOME.

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September 05, 2014, 07:54:04 PM
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Anyone has calculated how many BTC do you get per hour in average at Free Bitcoin?

I just wonder this myself. I want to hear people's opinion on this site. If it is actually viable, and not just another waste of time.
Of course its a waste of time if you're trying to make an INCOME.
Its just for fun and enjoyment if some one trying to this for income then really he is wasting his time because its working just like other faucets which are wast of time

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September 06, 2014, 07:05:10 PM
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One of the best hourly faucet with a bet gaming style. Thanks for introducing it to us.
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September 07, 2014, 10:18:47 AM
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I just get a little bitcoin from there, is there a trick in order to get more

Supposedly you have to play more to increase your chances to get one of the bigger prizes. But my own research currently points (with a relatively high degree of confidence) to the fact that the site might not be fair for the free rolls. The owner could implement the first change (from the 2 suggested by me above) to prove me wrong. The second change, with the JS auto-verifier can be implemented by anyone who knows JS coding and has some free time (the owner could do it too, of course).
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