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[Drazen2003]

So, looks like it could well be over.

A reminder, this prick fuck here : https://www.triplea.law/attorneys-bokkes/

Is the registered business owner of the Curaco company who are the "shadow" company for FBC BV (aka, freebitco.in)

He knows who the real owners are, he knows they've stolen tens of millions of dollars worth of Bitcoin from their user base, but he's keeping quiet.

He has a phone number.
He has an email address.
There are bombing programs to block his server.
I won't say more.

I hope he dies a painful death like all the FreeBitcoin scammers.

[DrBeer]

Warsaw Cloudflare = Working
freebitco.in Host = Error

 Cloudflare's node is in Warsaw, that means the server was somewhere in Europe.

Cloudflare node is one of the nearest to you not to the site.

go back one page to see a screenshot from another user and it say miami....

I have Milan as i'm in italy.

Yes, I agree, my mistake, the mapping shows the nearest Cloudflare node through which we access the final destination. But that doesn't change the essence of the matter — the site is simply DISABLED, the server is down, the money has disappeared... But again, if they used a paid Cloudflare plan, for example, then after the fraud reports are filed, you can contact Cloudflare and get information about who paid for this service for the FreeBitco.in domain, and then it all depends on the “desire” of law enforcement agencies to bring the investigation to a conclusion.

[GinnyBanzz]

It feels to me this should be a slam dunk for law enforcement. We can speculate, but we're almost certainly talking about tens of millions of dollars (maybe in excess of a 100 million) of customer funds that are essentially missing / stolen. This is not a trivial amount.

The problem we have at the moment is a real lack of coordination of efforts to bring these fucks to justice.

We need a group or someone in charge of liaising with law enforcement, dutch, curacao and American would be the most relevant at the moment.

I expect if the right law enforcement officials lay eyes on what has happened here, they will be very motivated to bring the site owners to justice, as well as those dutch prick lawyers who are hiding them.

[anonymouscoward]

I wouldn't be surprised if they did have a real problem with thousands or millions of bots milking the faucet.  The botters may have succeeded in withdrawing enough to make them insolvent before they shut down withdrawals.   When the site deleted its meters displaying deposits and reserves in real time, a few years ago, that was a red flag that something was wrong.

[nutildah]

I wouldn't be surprised if they did have a real problem with thousands or millions of bots milking the faucet.  The botters may have succeeded in withdrawing enough to make them insolvent before they shut down withdrawals.   When the site deleted its meters displaying deposits and reserves in real time, a few years ago, that was a red flag that something was wrong.

I think you might be right about that, but to just continue on with each passing year like everything is fine is wrong. Not just that, they continued to up the magnitude of their offerings and prizes; in retrospect it was perhaps to attract new business to make up for devastating losses.

For as long as I've been a member of this forum I've known you can't try to do something good (like giving away BTC) without having a flood of abusers... its just part of the online anonymous territory. They may have been milked by bots but ultimately its on them for not having developed better safeguards.

[DrBeer]

It feels to me this should be a slam dunk for law enforcement. We can speculate, but we're almost certainly talking about tens of millions of dollars (maybe in excess of a 100 million) of customer funds that are essentially missing / stolen. This is not a trivial amount.

The problem we have at the moment is a real lack of coordination of efforts to bring these fucks to justice.

We need a group or someone in charge of liaising with law enforcement, dutch, curacao and American would be the most relevant at the moment.

I expect if the right law enforcement officials lay eyes on what has happened here, they will be very motivated to bring the site owners to justice, as well as those dutch prick lawyers who are hiding them.

I wrote earlier that to solve the problem, we need to file mass reports of fraud with the relevant authorities, and one of the participants in this discussion has already provided the addresses here. But if everyone continues to just discuss the problem here, there will be no solution...

[GinnyBanzz]

It feels to me this should be a slam dunk for law enforcement. We can speculate, but we're almost certainly talking about tens of millions of dollars (maybe in excess of a 100 million) of customer funds that are essentially missing / stolen. This is not a trivial amount.

The problem we have at the moment is a real lack of coordination of efforts to bring these fucks to justice.

We need a group or someone in charge of liaising with law enforcement, dutch, curacao and American would be the most relevant at the moment.

I expect if the right law enforcement officials lay eyes on what has happened here, they will be very motivated to bring the site owners to justice, as well as those dutch prick lawyers who are hiding them.

I wrote earlier that to solve the problem, we need to file mass reports of fraud with the relevant authorities, and one of the participants in this discussion has already provided the addresses here. But if everyone continues to just discuss the problem here, there will be no solution...

I wonder if one of the mods could sticky a post at the top of the forum with all the relevant legal information so we can file a case against FBC.

[BayAreaCoins]

I'll never understand not just selling the site and shit canning the liabilities...

[Orpichukwu]

I wonder if one of the mods could sticky a post at the top of the forum with all the relevant legal information so we can file a case against FBC.

You or any affected member can do the compiling of all the legal information needed to file a legal case against them; maybe create a separate thread about it and request for the mod to get it pinned on the appropriate board. If you get the approval, so be it, but if you want any mod to do the other job, that might not happen.

[DrBeer]

I'll never understand not just selling the site and shit canning the liabilities...

A website is just a virtual asset, while financial obligations are financial obligations described in the offer; these are real obligations of the service owners.  Therefore, if a sale is possible, it must involve the transfer of obligations or the separation of rights to own the website and, separately, financial responsibility and obligations.

[JeromeTash]

I wonder if one of the mods could sticky a post at the top of the forum with all the relevant legal information so we can file a case against FBC.

Affected members could take it upon themselves and create a thread dedicated to documenting all the information that is necessary for an investigation and legal work. You could also create a telegram group or Discord server where all of you can collaborate on how to go about with the issue

The Investigations board can be a good place to create such a dedicated thread.

[MinMan]

No matter who we find (talking about the lawyer) as long as nothing is done about it, then it is not going to change anything. And even worse case is that, under certain amount they won't do anything, so you need to get together a lot of people to make it happen somehow.

Moreover, I am sure they have already bankrupted, they just took whatever is left and just ran with it, I doubt we can do anything to get our money back. They just scammed people, and lived to tell the tale, it is that simple, and unfortunately quite common in crypto world.

[Zwei]

I wouldn't be surprised if they did have a real problem with thousands or millions of bots milking the faucet.

they definitely did have a bots problem, but i don't think it was at that scale. even if it was, that's not an excuse, because they should have done something about it.

When the site deleted its meters displaying deposits and reserves in real time, a few years ago, that was a red flag that something was wrong.

there is no way they would have just watched their bitcoin reserves get drained by bots on a massive scale that would make them insolvent.
but again, the site was being run so incompetently that i wouldn't rule that out.

I'll never understand not just selling the site and shit canning the liabilities...

who is gonna buy a sinking ship from them? the name and domain has some value, but other than that, it would be a waste of money.

[Hispo]

I wouldn't be surprised if they did have a real problem with thousands or millions of bots milking the faucet.  The botters may have succeeded in withdrawing enough to make them insolvent before they shut down withdrawals.   When the site deleted its meters displaying deposits and reserves in real time, a few years ago, that was a red flag that something was wrong.

I remember back in the day when In used Freebitcoin in order to access their faucet each hour, one was supposed to prove one was a human being through captcha.
I wonder if people managed to break the security of Freebitcoin when comes to user verification, perhaps with the help of some artificial intelligence which successfully passed those tests and claimed those hourly rewards seamlessly.

Whatever the case, if they wanted to continue to have a profitable service, all the had to do was being honest and transparent about the abuse of the system and limit the amount of Bitcoin they offered on their faucet. Some people would have not liked it, sure, but they would continue to be in business to this they if they chose to do the right and logical course of action instead of all this mess.