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January 18, 2014, 04:53:15 PM
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The more the Chinese buy NXT now the more they can trade with NXT assets on the distributed exchange when the restrictions on their exchanges come in at the end of the month.

my thoughts exactly

we need a CNY/NXT GATEWAY!...preferably based in Hong Kong

rippleCN and ripplechina are CNY gateways into ripple
ripple also has NXT gateway, so we already have CNY/NXT gateway.
Not a simple click click process, but at least it is possible



can they accept fiat for crypto in 3 weeks inside CHINA?
Yes. Last I heard depositing CNY is pretty fast, I think same day. The whole many day (weeks) delay in the western world is due to the unofficial war on bitcoin.

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but what will happen after Chinese New Year when the ban comes into effect?

In December, the People’s Bank of China banned third party sales of bitcoin, and placed a ban on financial institutions dealing with bitcoin, ordering them to halt activities by January 31, the beginning of the Chinese New Year holiday.

Source: http://rt.com/business/alibaba-bitcoin-ban-taobao-353/

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January 18, 2014, 04:54:54 PM
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latest news: an exchange in China called bter will add Nxt to their platform

http://bter.com/article/12

Nice one
We construct an QQ(like skype) group and vote to bter that which to be added to their exchange platform,and the result is much better... Cheesy

Allwelder, can you make a chinese video with explanation of the clients from Marcus03 and minusbalancer?

if not I will make one, can you publisch on chinese media?

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Yes,I will produce a video,but I did not use their client yet.
And may be I need to have a try.
If you can provide the video,that is better,and can save some time ,I am willing to publish on China media right now and promote it as more as possible.

wanna use any of my video?

http://wideo.co/view/1504591387756502643-nxt-generation-of-cryptocurrency

http://wideo.co/view/1302961386976944647-nxt-mining

http://wideo.co/view/1302961386354824506-nxt-generation-of-cryptocurrency

I can put there your sound, texts, etc

Those videos are great, and I had interest to translate and add subtitle weeks ago, however, those videos are mainly animation and there are no voice, so I gave up. Of course, I think most Chinese who are interested in Nxt at this early stage can read and understand those videos.

I don't see some videos with voice and sounds if I'm not missing something.
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January 18, 2014, 04:55:04 PM
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Quote from: danisapfirov
I get Not enough funds message

Quote from: danisapfirov
It seems I send 1 NXT to my own acoount. Smiley
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=11468045880419688248

Will try to send 1 NXT to you again.

But first ley me ask you if the attached file is OK

This guy sent Nxt to himself. Yeah, it's not so surprised. Even I had the same error yesterday, I sent 3 Nxt to the project account from the same account when I wanted to send 3 Nxt to those who sent in.

Also, some guys wrote me to express appreciation and encourage to do this project. It's my pleasure to contribute to Nxt community through my efforts. As a cryptocurrency, I'd hope it's transferred in and out. For those users have never sent Nxt out, I provide this opportunity to experience the transaction of Nxt and can also earn some Nxt. Furthermore, if you have no transaction out, your account is only protected by 64-bit entropy and it might be possible that your account secret can be found with a brute-force attack in the near future or, with a collaborative effort of enough computation power, even now. Once there is a public key in the NXT block chain for your account, it is protected by 256-bit entropy, which currently is enough to prevent brute-force attacks (reference here). One of the direct way to get your public key is to do a simple transaction out, so this is again the opportunity for you to get get public key and make your account security and earn some Nxt at the same time.

Have fun.


Hi , i've sent 1 NXT to this address :  5358256819457330449

This is my address :  3815071516895411910 .

Can you check  the transaction ? Thank you.

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=4017483572264330702
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January 18, 2014, 04:55:30 PM
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Client is really a con right now. I already imagine chinaman downloading the client via the link on BTER. He will unzip and wtf, that doesn't work right out of the package, what is dis crap  Cheesy

Why aren't third party clients posted on the main page of http://nxtcrypto.org yet? These were funded, so why not promote them?

Also, ideally we need an entire translation of the nxtcrypto.org site in chinese with a simple button at the top to change language.

Only with caution that they are not checked. Let's be honest, they still can contain malicious code. They were not checked properly.

Since they are not open source (?), this should be discussed before we post them on nxtcrypto.org.

the CHINESE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE DONE ASAP!

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1) News Aggregation
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3) Domain Names
4) Patents, Copyright and next generation Intellectual Property
5) Insurance
6) Courts, Escrow, and Arbitration
7) Authenticated Anonymous Voting
Cool Prediction Markets
9) Next Generation Search Engines

this + DNA + distributed computation protocoll + 3 month -> nxt gateway to the global finance market -> strike

(building DNAs in c/c++ is dangerous, you can't sandboxing this. at least with a granularity necessary.
interpreted, prototype and self reflectional languages are much better for this, they are also widely used
within academic ai research and there are several good reason for this.)

ps: perhaps DNAs could find some pattern in strange stuff like this -> http://87.230.14.1/download/0003.png or this http://87.230.14.1/download/0002.png
at least it would be fun to shift possibilities some percentages into the right direction.

By "strike" do you mean "technological unemployment"? That's what I see. Like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SuGRgdJA_c

Those patterns look like Cellular Automate. Perhaps a DNA could generate it's own income producing academic research outputs based on the NXT system. It already covers a vast amount of fields - economics, sociology, cybernetics, artificial intelligence, chaos theory etc.

Couldn't you sandbox the c/c++ by executing it on a virtual/emulated computer spread across the network? It would certainly be a lot slower.



All this sounds nice and all that, but it seems to be purely theoretical. Are there any reference implementations of a simple DAC? I can see how a DAC's logic can be published using open source, or is the code actually just put into a blockchain?

Maybe a DAC can simply use the NXT blockchain to easily implement its own private blockchain by using AM?

There just seem to be so many gaps between the theory and a DDK (DAC development kit)

James

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the CHINESE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE DONE ASAP!

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January 18, 2014, 04:57:19 PM
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Client is really a con right now. I already imagine chinaman downloading the client via the link on BTER. He will unzip and wtf, that doesn't work right out of the package, what is dis crap  Cheesy

Why aren't third party clients posted on the main page of http://nxtcrypto.org yet? These were funded, so why not promote them?

Also, ideally we need an entire translation of the nxtcrypto.org site in chinese with a simple button at the top to change language.

Only with caution that they are not checked. Let's be honest, they still can contain malicious code. They were not checked properly.

Since they are not open source (?), this should be discussed before we post them on nxtcrypto.org.

Why not just link the open source and forum thread links, if any, for all the available clients.

http://www.digitalcatallaxy.com/report2015.html
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1) News Aggregation
2) AdWords
3) Domain Names
4) Patents, Copyright and next generation Intellectual Property
5) Insurance
6) Courts, Escrow, and Arbitration
7) Authenticated Anonymous Voting
Cool Prediction Markets
9) Next Generation Search Engines

this + DNA + distributed computation protocoll + 3 month -> nxt gateway to the global finance market -> strike

(building DNAs in c/c++ is dangerous, you can't sandboxing this. at least with a granularity necessary.
interpreted, prototype and self reflectional languages are much better for this, they are also widely used
within academic ai research and there are several good reason for this.)

ps: perhaps DNAs could find some pattern in strange stuff like this -> http://87.230.14.1/download/0003.png or this http://87.230.14.1/download/0002.png
at least it would be fun to shift possibilities some percentages into the right direction.

By "strike" do you mean "technological unemployment"? That's what I see. Like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SuGRgdJA_c

Those patterns look like Cellular Automate. Perhaps a DNA could generate it's own income producing academic research outputs based on the NXT system. It already covers a vast amount of fields - economics, sociology, cybernetics, artificial intelligence, chaos theory etc.

Couldn't you sandbox the c/c++ by executing it on a virtual/emulated computer spread across the network? It would certainly be a lot slower.



All this sounds nice and all that, but it seems to be purely theoretical. Are there any reference implementations of a simple DAC? I can see how a DAC's logic can be published using open source, or is the code actually just put into a blockchain?

Maybe a DAC can simply use the NXT blockchain to easily implement its own private blockchain by using AM?

There just seem to be so many gaps between the theory and a DDK (DAC development kit)

James

we should try semi-autonomous first....then move to fully-autonomous....we can do semi for sure

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January 18, 2014, 05:02:27 PM
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Does it need to be able to execute arbitrary general purpose programming code (c++ in your example)? Realistically aren't there only a number of core functions that a DAC or DNA would need to perform. We don't need to go all Turing Complete like Ethereum.

Yes it definitely would need to be able to execute arbitrary general purpose code. DACs would need to be able to compete with real humans making management decisions for their corporations. They never really would be able to but there inferiority in this respect would be countered by the fact that they would be immune to state coercion. Still even with the assistance of state immunity they would need every conceivable asset in their favor for them to stand a chance against human management. The blockchain would definitely need to be turing complete to stand a chance. We really need to be looking at filling the niche that eTherium is trying to capitalize on. We can and should do it better.

*edit* we can and should do it better on totally separate block chains so people who want to just use nxt dont risk downloading malware

There is one large advantage that NXT can have here - voting. A DAC in NXT will of course be governed by it's own rule-set but certain decisions relevant to the actions the DAC takes can be made by consensus too. You're then outsourcing the need for extremely powerful computational power of the DAC to the minds of the community members.

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January 18, 2014, 05:03:11 PM
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need more orders on my awesome orderbook guys, check it out, place some orders, fill some orders, leave some feedback. Anything helps

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuZ9UiDk97ajdFQtdHN2RElUQU10NjdqRUNkWm5uUlE#gid=0

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January 18, 2014, 05:03:19 PM
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http://weibo.com/btc38   announced that they will launch a new cryptocurrency tomorrow 15:30 15:00 (UTC+8), but we don't know which one they will launch.

BTW, I do suggest not send Nxt to those exchanges. The exchange is just a free market and anyone can take party in. We the community can provide technique support if asked. I think there is no paid work for some exchange to p&d. I believe Nxt need to get its success by its innovation.

Edit: BTC38 will open deposit at 14:30.
http://www.btc38.com/altcoin/altgeneral/663.html

Is this where you found it?
What does this article say? Anyone?

What I found is from BTC38 offical weibo page: http://weibo.com/btc38/, that is an announcement for a new cryptocurrency launch today 15:00.

The link you mentioned talked about some guys bought in future coin and future coin price climed 10X. It's a confusion between the Chinese name from the translation of "future coin" and "Nxt".  In Chinese, "next generation" ~ "future"


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January 18, 2014, 05:03:24 PM
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Does it need to be able to execute arbitrary general purpose programming code (c++ in your example)? Realistically aren't there only a number of core functions that a DAC or DNA would need to perform. We don't need to go all Turing Complete like Ethereum.

Yes it definitely would need to be able to execute arbitrary general purpose code. DACs would need to be able to compete with real humans making management decisions for their corporations. They never really would be able to but there inferiority in this respect would be countered by the fact that they would be immune to state coercion. Still even with the assistance of state immunity they would need every conceivable asset in their favor for them to stand a chance against human management. The blockchain would definitely need to be turing complete to stand a chance. We really need to be looking at filling the niche that eTherium is trying to capitalize on. We can and should do it better.

*edit* we can and should do it better on totally separate block chains so people who want to just use nxt dont risk downloading malware

There is one large advantage that NXT can have here - voting. A DAC in NXT will of course be governed by it's own rule-set but certain decisions relevant to the actions the DAC takes can be made by consensus too. You're then outsourcing the need for extremely powerful computational power of the DAC to the minds of the community members.

SEMI-AUTONOMOUS

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Does it need to be able to execute arbitrary general purpose programming code (c++ in your example)? Realistically aren't there only a number of core functions that a DAC or DNA would need to perform. We don't need to go all Turing Complete like Ethereum.

Yes it definitely would need to be able to execute arbitrary general purpose code. DACs would need to be able to compete with real humans making management decisions for their corporations. They never really would be able to but there inferiority in this respect would be countered by the fact that they would be immune to state coercion. Still even with the assistance of state immunity they would need every conceivable asset in their favor for them to stand a chance against human management. The blockchain would definitely need to be turing complete to stand a chance. We really need to be looking at filling the niche that eTherium is trying to capitalize on. We can and should do it better.

*edit* we can and should do it better on totally separate block chains so people who want to just use nxt dont risk downloading malware

There is one large advantage that NXT can have here - voting. A DAC in NXT will of course be governed by it's own rule-set but certain decisions relevant to the actions the DAC takes can be made by consensus too. You're then outsourcing the need for extremely powerful computational power of the DAC to the minds of the community members.

SEMI-AUTONOMOUS

that defeats the purpose. the semi part can be clubbed over the head by the government.

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January 18, 2014, 05:06:36 PM
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Why not just link the open source and forum thread links, if any, for all the available clients.

I'll create in 5 min NRS wrap up that will steal users' passwords. Can it be listed there? Why not?

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2) AdWords
3) Domain Names
4) Patents, Copyright and next generation Intellectual Property
5) Insurance
6) Courts, Escrow, and Arbitration
7) Authenticated Anonymous Voting
Cool Prediction Markets
9) Next Generation Search Engines

this + DNA + distributed computation protocoll + 3 month -> nxt gateway to the global finance market -> strike

(building DNAs in c/c++ is dangerous, you can't sandboxing this. at least with a granularity necessary.
interpreted, prototype and self reflectional languages are much better for this, they are also widely used
within academic ai research and there are several good reason for this.)

ps: perhaps DNAs could find some pattern in strange stuff like this -> http://87.230.14.1/download/0003.png or this http://87.230.14.1/download/0002.png
at least it would be fun to shift possibilities some percentages into the right direction.

By "strike" do you mean "technological unemployment"? That's what I see. Like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SuGRgdJA_c

Those patterns look like Cellular Automate. Perhaps a DNA could generate it's own income producing academic research outputs based on the NXT system. It already covers a vast amount of fields - economics, sociology, cybernetics, artificial intelligence, chaos theory etc.

Couldn't you sandbox the c/c++ by executing it on a virtual/emulated computer spread across the network? It would certainly be a lot slower.



All this sounds nice and all that, but it seems to be purely theoretical. Are there any reference implementations of a simple DAC? I can see how a DAC's logic can be published using open source, or is the code actually just put into a blockchain?

Maybe a DAC can simply use the NXT blockchain to easily implement its own private blockchain by using AM?

There just seem to be so many gaps between the theory and a DDK (DAC development kit)

James

You are absolutely correct. It is theoretical as there are few obvious implementations of a DAC. The concept wasn't worth thinking about before the advent of decentralised trust-less systems with Bitcoin. And Bitcoin is not necessarily the ideal vehicle on which to slap a DAC. Bitcoin itself can be considered a DAC however. It is decentralised/distributed. It is autonomous and follows its largely pre-defined rule-set. And it serves its community of miners by providing them with block rewards and it rewards its other users with the utility of a decent payment system.

Indeed, the arbitrary message system could be very improtant for this.

Did you miss this comment earlier:

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Edit: For a crude test you could ignore the trustless/decentralised nature of a DAC and simply execute a standalone piece of code on 2 or more NXTers computers (i.e. they are already running the NXT client/daemon) which performs some action (like interrogates their balance for example) and get it to message back to your node/instance of the app (and every other node). The messaging could be internal or external to the NXT system. So this simple/pointless app lets everyone in that community (2 or 3 NXTers or however many) know the balance of each others accounts.

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January 18, 2014, 05:08:22 PM
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latest news: an exchange in China called bter will add Nxt to their platform

http://bter.com/article/12

Nice one
We construct an QQ(like skype) group and vote to bter that which to be added to their exchange platform,and the result is much better... Cheesy

Allwelder, can you make a chinese video with explanation of the clients from Marcus03 and minusbalancer?

if not I will make one, can you publisch on chinese media?

Pin
Yes,I will produce a video,but I did not use their client yet.
And may be I need to have a try.
If you can provide the video,that is better,and can save some time ,I am willing to publish on China media right now and promote it as more as possible.

wanna use any of my video?

http://wideo.co/view/1504591387756502643-nxt-generation-of-cryptocurrency

http://wideo.co/view/1302961386976944647-nxt-mining

http://wideo.co/view/1302961386354824506-nxt-generation-of-cryptocurrency

I can put there your sound, texts, etc

Those videos are great, and I had interest to translate and add subtitle weeks ago, however, those videos are mainly animation and there are no voice, so I gave up. Of course, I think most Chinese who are interested in Nxt at this early stage can read and understand those videos.

I don't see some videos with voice and sounds if I'm not missing something.


voice:
http://wideo.co/view/1504591387756502643-nxt-generation-of-cryptocurrency

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January 18, 2014, 05:10:55 PM
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need more orders on my awesome orderbook guys, check it out, place some orders, fill some orders, leave some feedback. Anything helps

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuZ9UiDk97ajdFQtdHN2RElUQU10NjdqRUNkWm5uUlE#gid=0

How do I fill/place an order there?!
The sheet is not editable!

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Client is really a con right now. I already imagine chinaman downloading the client via the link on BTER. He will unzip and wtf, that doesn't work right out of the package, what is dis crap  Cheesy

Why aren't third party clients posted on the main page of http://nxtcrypto.org yet? These were funded, so why not promote them?

Also, ideally we need an entire translation of the nxtcrypto.org site in chinese with a simple button at the top to change language.

Only with caution that they are not checked. Let's be honest, they still can contain malicious code. They were not checked properly.

Since they are not open source (?), this should be discussed before we post them on nxtcrypto.org.

the CHINESE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE DONE ASAP!

I wanted to use unclaimed coins to pay for translations, but people probably don't want to pay for marketing now:


more info:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412243.msg4555477#msg4555477

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January 18, 2014, 05:11:46 PM
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Does it need to be able to execute arbitrary general purpose programming code (c++ in your example)? Realistically aren't there only a number of core functions that a DAC or DNA would need to perform. We don't need to go all Turing Complete like Ethereum.

Yes it definitely would need to be able to execute arbitrary general purpose code. DACs would need to be able to compete with real humans making management decisions for their corporations. They never really would be able to but there inferiority in this respect would be countered by the fact that they would be immune to state coercion. Still even with the assistance of state immunity they would need every conceivable asset in their favor for them to stand a chance against human management. The blockchain would definitely need to be turing complete to stand a chance. We really need to be looking at filling the niche that eTherium is trying to capitalize on. We can and should do it better.

*edit* we can and should do it better on totally separate block chains so people who want to just use nxt dont risk downloading malware

There is one large advantage that NXT can have here - voting. A DAC in NXT will of course be governed by it's own rule-set but certain decisions relevant to the actions the DAC takes can be made by consensus too. You're then outsourcing the need for extremely powerful computational power of the DAC to the minds of the community members.

SEMI-AUTONOMOUS

that defeats the purpose. the semi part can be clubbed over the head by the government.

Semi part == community consensus via Voting system.

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I wanted to use unclaimed coins to pay for translations, but people probably don't want to pay for marketing now:


more info:
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THAT IS MARKETING

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