NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[wakasaki808]

Have it so the clients made by nexern, and some of the trusted posters become the "OFFICIAL" wallets, and the rest become "3rd party" or something like that.  

Just an idea

Where i can have a look on nexern's client? Is it open source?

just giving an idea. Don't think nexern released anything yet.

Don't have time to re-read all 1000+ pages and what clients are being released by who and stuff...

[marcus03]

Can you distribute the third party components as compiled libraries, and re-engineer your client to not need changes to those libraries? (And release it open source)

You still would not be able to see what is in the compiled libraries... From a security perspective I don't see how this is better.

Is your intention to charge for your client, or distribute it for free?

I have no plans to ever charge for my client.

If free, then rather than look at it as 'copycats copying it', see it as community development with you as the dev lead to ultimately make a better client?

Being the person I am, I have no intrest in being a dev lead in an open-source project. 

[aorith]

Closed source third party clients are a major no go. Anyone saying the nrs is closed source to justify going closed source themselves is bs as the nrs can be fully decompiled and reviewed.

This is a total non-starter. We are talking about peoples money here and potentially very large amounts of it. Any closed source third party clients should absolutely not be given any type of endorsement and should be met with a heavy warning at every opportunity. Also if anyone received bounties for their client and the source code is not to be released they have a moral obligation to return those bounties unless it was explicitely stated before receiving them.

+1

[ifightformerkel]

Do you need a german translation for a NXT Articel?
PN me.

[dzarmush]

Marcus03, was your intention to have it closed from the very beginning? If yes, I had misunderstood it completely.

Ok, in this this case I offer to develop 2 clients both Windows and OS X, both open source. My tools of choice would be Embarcadero FireMonkey. Language either Delphi or C++ Builder.

Would community be interested in this?

I agree with Marcus03 ... you can do it. Marcus03 and i doing our clients without any rewards.
dotNXT (my client implementation) will be open source but not at this moment.

Marcus03 have done a really good job on making the nice looking client which uses the original client. I do not understand why are you trying to push him to open the source.

Isn't it Marcus03's right not to open the source?

I'm fine with his explanation. Also it's better not to open the source until April at least. With Nexern's client too.

Maybe CFB or other core programmer can check the code and approve it? Then we all can use the client.

[pastet89]

Congrats NXT @ Bter.com!

Bter are scammers!!!

[salsacz]

Do you need a german translation for a NXT Articel?
PN me.

now we have 9 translators into the german language, I added you to the list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=8

[admiral.fu]

Hi guys just arrived and you are discussing clients.

Marcus03, was your intention to have it closed from the very beginning? If yes, I had misunderstood it completely.

I always knew that I am not able to give out the full source code, yes. In the long run, I hope there will be APIs for all major OSes that don't need the NRS core and do everything that has to do with the secret.

Ok, in this this case I offer to develop 2 clients both Windows and OS X, both open source. My tools of choice would be Embarcadero FireMonkey. Language either Delphi or C++ Builder.

Would community be interested in this?

Do it!

What secret are you referring to? End of march everything from Java NRS will be open.

A client takes a lot of time and your so just a "Do it!" will not affect my decision. I would prefer to be part of a team. I am over my 35 and cannot go for 14 hour workdays any more.

I can help with decent GUI for desktop and seeing you work on Delphi triggered my offer to help. I completely missed tho closed source part of this.

So I am looking forward so see if others suggest QT and then that is what we should aim for.

[jdebunt]

No worries, try a few features, Alias, Messaging, if you like it I'll send you some more.

The system is quite genious tbh, I love it

Sent you a message, I hope you received it

[Anon136]

Not sure if people are aware but max withdrawl on BTER is only 200 NXT per day. So if you plan on buying or selling a lot just keep that in mind - hopefully  they raise it. Maybe they're testing things still.

So where to buy in large quantity?

i wouldn't buy large quantity from dgex. you will move the market too much in the process of buying. try here first and dgex as last resort https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345336

[marcus03]

Also if anyone received bounties for their client and the source code is not to be released they have a moral obligation to return those bounties unless it was explicitely stated before receiving them.

Thank you, but I prefer to define my moral obligations myself.

Apart from that: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4362239#msg4362239

[newsilike]

Do you need a german translation for a NXT Articel?
PN me.

now we have 9 translators into the german language, I added you to the list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=8

I've added myself as well  
Just got the "Current Features" finished and asked instacash and ifightformerkel to proofread and suggest improvements.

[pinarello]

Marcus03, was your intention to have it closed from the very beginning? If yes, I had misunderstood it completely.

Ok, in this this case I offer to develop 2 clients both Windows and OS X, both open source. My tools of choice would be Embarcadero FireMonkey. Language either Delphi or C++ Builder.

Would community be interested in this?

I agree with Marcus03 ... you can do it. Marcus03 and i doing our clients without any rewards.
dotNXT (my client implementation) will be open source but not at this moment.

Marcus03 have done a really good job on making the nice looking client which uses the original client. I do not understand why are you trying to push him to open the source.

Isn't it Marcus03's right not to open the source?

there was a bounty if not received give it time, BCNext will pay them.

Pin

[mthcl]

Does anybody else get
"Error in amount. Minimum new order entry is 100 NXT"
message at dgex when trying to create a sell order?

[minusbalancer]

there was a bounty if not received give it time, BCNext will pay them.

Pin

I am referring a bit different thing. The clients development were started before the client announcement rewards were.
At least from my side.

[mthcl]

Does anybody else get
"Error in amount. Minimum new order entry is 100 NXT"
message at dgex when trying to create a sell order?

Minimum order amount to prevent the book being slammed most likely.

I was trying to sell smth around 3000 NXT, that's not too small...

[kunibopl]

Hey,

what do you mean exactly with review and articels?
Do i get the NXT when i promote NXT on Big german forums too?
Where are over 100k Users?

Second Question.
When i can make it that the biggest german News Site (100 million too 1 billion clicks in a month) write about NXT (bild.de), how much NXT do i get?

The idea of promoting Nxt via Bild is ridiculous. Our audience is not the yellow press readers.
this is just dumb.

[admiral.fu]

Marcus03, was your intention to have it closed from the very beginning? If yes, I had misunderstood it completely.

Ok, in this this case I offer to develop 2 clients both Windows and OS X, both open source. My tools of choice would be Embarcadero FireMonkey. Language either Delphi or C++ Builder.

Would community be interested in this?

I agree with Marcus03 ... you can do it. Marcus03 and i doing our clients without any rewards.
dotNXT (my client implementation) will be open source but not at this moment.

Marcus03 have done a really good job on making the nice looking client which uses the original client. I do not understand why are you trying to push him to open the source.

Isn't it Marcus03's right not to open the source?

I also am not looking for awards, I just want NXT to succeed. I cannot contribute to other coins that I have heavily invested in but NXT I ca. My problem is limited time that I can for development.

And you do have all rights to keep it closed, only then make it clear for others. I thought everything is open source here, and where it is not is is disclaimed, like NRS code will become in April.
If 3rd party is issue, maybe the functionality you use from these libraries can be brought into open source? Do not take it personal, as I say open source for this kind of project was so obvious that I even did not ask about it.
Was too assuming.

[opticalcarrier]

how about an API call that when given te passphrase, it tells whether/not that account is forging, time to forge next block, current block, etc?

ETA: could add this functionality to existing getAccountId API

[joefox]

Re-posting my Public Service Announcement:

If you are new to Nxt and don't want to read through 1048 pages of posts, come to the wiki:
- Learn about Nxt
- Get started
- get basic questions answered in the FAQ and common problems pages
- Learn how to set up a public node on a VPS, using laowai80's steps
- read up on the Nxt high-level API, which you can use to build apps, games, clients, utilities, and more
- find additional resources for programmers, including suggested methods for handling transactions, a PHP library, and more.
- check out the current draft version of the Nxt whitepaper, which is being built and refined by top community contributors (it's still rough, but there's lots of great content already)

Also remember there are great forums with lots of info and support for beginners. Many of the best Nxt wiki articles are based on information originally contributed here:
- The nxtcrypto.org forum
- The nextcoin.org forum

Wiki contributors pull information from these threads every day to keep the wiki up to date. You can also help contribute, or translate.

This thread is long and daunting for new folks, and most of the conversation here is not helpful for beginners.  So don't get frustrated -- come to the places where new folks are welcomed and pampered!