NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[utopianfuture]

All of the big NXT holders are monitoring this thread. unclaimed coins are allocated based on NXT community, which is here. it is what it is.

There is now marketing budget. As long as each month there are nice successes, next month is funded. NXT community is smart. It won't expect that 100% of expenditures will lead to success. Just make sure each month there is enough good stuff so that NXT community says, hey cool, keep doing it for another month.

longest journey starts with first month

James

Well I personally don't give a single fuck about 99% of the big hoarders, they have not contributed one bit, their influence should be zero, zip nada, fuck nothing at all.
Why the hell would we want to let those with the most NXT decide? That's centralization. They don't contribute in anyway to the community.
There is a handful of people who do, the rest are just jacking off to the price increase.

And now 250K was sent to salsacz... ok now what? How are we supposed to decide further how to spend those 250K?
And how much do we pay ourselves for our own work? NOw who decides that? It's 100% centralized.
Don't get me wrong, I love salsacz's work and have close contact with him for several weeks now, but now there is no group decisions anymore and no NXT to all the rest of us.

THese things should've been decided and I am downright shocked by CfB's actions after having talked with him on skype just yesterday aobut this.

I think you should have your own marketing plan. And you are better to prepare it now. 250K to salsacz is one-off event for his/ her performance so far. She already have some concrete plans and ready to carry it out. She will have to file a report on that 250K before getting more funding.

You can either work with salsacz since she will need helps to spend all that 250K or devise your own plan. If the community approved your plan then you can also get 250K to carry our your plan.

I think it is about as good as decentralization goes with BCNext and Cfb controlling the fund for now.

I am going to issue my promotion plan soon  and I am also going to ask for support. Everyone should do the same  

You cannot have been following NXT marketing plans at all the last months.
This started over at nextcoin.org, I was asked to be the lead organizer for these things and I said yes. We started and the first videos, infographics, articles, bitcoin conferences, logo etc. was made/decided.
Then me and nifty had a questionaire with over 60 people filling it out asking to be a part of the PR and marketing team, listing their skills and hours available.
We started this, then when I asked for contributions so we can actually pay the workers: CRICKETS; NADA. So we lost tens of people willing to work tens of hours per week because we had zero NXT to give them.

We could've been the most known cryptocurrency by far already if it wsan't for this fuckedup philosophy that a single BTT thread is the God of NXT.

I don't control or allocate NXT fund. But what is in the past is in the past. I think what I explained above seems like what we are heading now, unless you can convince BCNext and Cfb otherwise we are going to work in that type of decentralized fashion.

You can make a plan to ask for funding to pay for the past efforts as well. But it is better to prepare a forward looking plan.

Now let be clear, BCNext and CFb are making all the source codes. They are controlling the common fund. CfB seems like to stay here so I think we can coordinate here as well.

[salsacz]

How about something like this:
1. Nexern client released and debugged. It has to be perfect.
2. Giveaway 500 NXT to 500 people on forums- 250k
3. 750k initial budget for marketing released to those chosen as managers. They can start planning and budgeting now though.

 you can then add this :
 4 .  1000 NXT to shops that will start accepting NXT to 1000 shops > 1KK NXT
 5 .  1000 NXT to each person that will start a thread on a techie/marketing/webmaster/gambling forum and support it /debate there...

4. I added shops to my list, 5. - it belongs to the Giveaway section, only 1K is too much.

[brooklynbtc]

We have a Java server that is getting better every day, what we need is a well designed and fully cross-platform GUI for it, not an alternative implementation.

+1

+1

[utopianfuture]

A new video, a new article, a new guerilla whatever is not enough.

Go to big news sites, go to big bitcoin shows, go to big names to talk about NXT.

Does no-one realize that we had enough of videos and articles?

We are already sending people to the biggest Bitcoin conferences and might even get a stand and speaker position at these events, but hey we got zero NXT to do it with, so we pay from our own wallet. Isn't that nice and fair?
The guys who do all the work has to pay for it too

You and Niffy could ask for a fund reserved specially for people going to conferences and promote NXT. This could be separated from salsacz's efforts

Devise a plan with funding details, all the conferences and cost. I will support this effort.

[brooklynbtc]

How about something like this:
1. Nexern client released and debugged. It has to be perfect.
2. Giveaway 500 NXT to 500 people on forums- 250k
3. 750k initial budget for marketing released to those chosen as managers. They can start planning and budgeting now though.

 you can then add this :
 4 .  1000 NXT to shops that will start accepting NXT to 1000 shops > 1KK NXT
 5 .  1000 NXT to each person that will start a thread on a techie/marketing/webmaster/gambling forum and support it /debate there...

4. I added shops to my list, 5. - it belongs to the Giveaway section, only 1K is too much.

How are we supposed to accept nxt in a shop? I run a cool restaurant in Brooklyn NY, I will gladly accept nxt for payments, for dinner, for giftcards online, for tshirts. but it will all have to be done manually right?

[Uniqueorn]

I don't control or allocate NXT fund. But what is in the past is in the past. I think what I explained above seems like what we are heading now, unless you can convince BCNext and Cfb otherwise we are going to work in that type of decentralized fashion.

You can make a plan to ask funding to pay for the past efforts as well. But it is better to prepare a forward looking plan.

Now let be clear, BCNext and CFb are making all the source codes. They are controlling the common fund. CfB seems like to stay here so I think we can coordinate here as well.

The point is: we need a committee of dedicated members who has shown their dedication and talents in helping NXT. We can't hold a public poll everytime we are going to decide whether a article should be written and the reward should be X nxt. That doesn't work from a practical POV.

And of course people deserve to get paid for their past work that has got NXT as far as it is today, it's not like it should just be deleted due to the community SUDDENLY realizing that "OH PR, that thing that makes things valuable? Oh yea we should probably do that after all".

The fact that CfB is in control and making random decisions based on random posts in this thread indicates that the funds need to become decentralized and then a "expert committe" should decide where the funds is going to go in terms of PR / marketing.

[dulinxu]

what the hell, i couldnt access my account on dgex.  i havent done anything about it. and click the reset button many times, wait a long time, still havent get the reset email?  what happend??/

[Bitventurer]

what the hell, i couldnt access my account on dgex.  i havent done anything about it. and click the reset button many times, wait a long time, still havent get the reset email?  what happend??/

why do you write it here, dgex is on nextcon.org , find their thread and ask...and why dont you use bter.com

[NxtChg]

If minusbalancer used decompiled sources to base his .NET implementation on, he will have to catch up with my changes and bugfixes

That's why we need a single, unified core, so all the clients can be built around it and rely on this code- and security-reviewed, open-source library.

For now it's Java, but ideally it should be a C++ cross-platform version, which can be linked both statically and dynamically, and can also be easily wrapped into an executable server, which listens for API calls.

[Conurtrol]

I don't control or allocate NXT fund. But what is in the past is in the past. I think what I explained above seems like what we are heading now, unless you can convince BCNext and Cfb otherwise we are going to work in that type of decentralized fashion.

You can make a plan to ask funding to pay for the past efforts as well. But it is better to prepare a forward looking plan.

Now let be clear, BCNext and CFb are making all the source codes. They are controlling the common fund. CfB seems like to stay here so I think we can coordinate here as well.

The point is: we need a committee of dedicated members who has shown their dedication and talents in helping NXT. We can't hold a public poll everytime we are going to decide whether a article should be written and the reward should be X nxt. That doesn't work from a practical POV.

And of course people deserve to get paid for their past work that has got NXT as far as it is today, it's not like it should just be deleted due to the community SUDDENLY realizing that "OH PR, that thing that makes things valuable? Oh yea we should probably do that after all".

The fact that CfB is in control and making random decisions based on random posts in this thread indicates that the funds need to become decentralized and then a "expert committe" should decide where the funds is going to go in terms of PR / marketing.

+1. But this commitee is also a form of centralization and should be disbanded after meeting pre-determined goals.

[utopianfuture]

I don't control or allocate NXT fund. But what is in the past is in the past. I think what I explained above seems like what we are heading now, unless you can convince BCNext and Cfb otherwise we are going to work in that type of decentralized fashion.

You can make a plan to ask funding to pay for the past efforts as well. But it is better to prepare a forward looking plan.

Now let be clear, BCNext and CFb are making all the source codes. They are controlling the common fund. CfB seems like to stay here so I think we can coordinate here as well.

The point is: we need a committee of dedicated members who has shown their dedication and talents in helping NXT. We can't hold a public poll everytime we are going to decide whether a article should be written and the reward should be X nxt. That doesn't work from a practical POV.

And of course people deserve to get paid for their past work that has got NXT as far as it is today, it's not like it should just be deleted due to the community SUDDENLY realizing that "OH PR, that thing that makes things valuable? Oh yea we should probably do that after all".

The fact that CfB is in control and making random decisions based on random posts in this thread indicates that the funds need to become decentralized and then a "expert committe" should decide where the funds is going to go in terms of PR / marketing.

Since we don't have multi-signature and voting, committee idea seems dead for now. All the projects are in the type of "open bounties" as I described here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4580590#msg4580590

CFB will dispatch the fund when the community  supports ( he also does what he wants at times )

[Bitventurer]

How about something like this:
1. Nexern client released and debugged. It has to be perfect.
2. Giveaway 500 NXT to 500 people on forums- 250k
3. 750k initial budget for marketing released to those chosen as managers. They can start planning and budgeting now though.

 you can then add this :
 4 .  1000 NXT to shops that will start accepting NXT to 1000 shops > 1KK NXT
 5 .  1000 NXT to each person that will start a thread on a techie/marketing/webmaster/gambling forum and support it /debate there...

4. I added shops to my list, 5. - it belongs to the Giveaway section, only 1K is too much.

How are we supposed to accept nxt in a shop? I run a cool restaurant in Brooklyn NY, I will gladly accept nxt for payments, for dinner, for giftcards online, for tshirts. but it will all have to be done manually right?

yes why not ? whats the problem ?, lets say you have a shop like on OpenCart, you can ad you account there and then after the buyer make an order you simply send hi an email with your account nr. and order nr. (as reference) ...

but i agree , we need some more plugin's for all major carts and cms's

[Chang Hum]

Please calm. 250K sent already. 3 million marketing plan has been tentatively approved. As long as results come in, regular 250K payments will be sent. Marketing is simply a cost that needs to be spent. 250K per month is 3 million NXT per year. that seems enough to get a lot more marketing done than before.

All the sausage making can be done at nxtcrypto now. There is funding. This thread will just be there for the progress announcements.

The point is: we want something official. As the price grows, suddenly people become more and more reluctant to spend on the work we do.
I got thanked by BTer for suggesting them to add NXT, they did, price grew 100%, did I get anything in return? NO. People wanted to reward BTER instead
This community is so ungrateful and selfish that it's painful.

We are sending people to the official bitcoin conferences from our own fucking wallets. Why aren't the NXT fund being spent on this?

Of course I am pissed, I have witnessed this selfish ungratefulness for over a month now and for some fuckedup reason this thread is still seen as the "official" place where these decisions is made, eventhough ALL the PR work are being done by us on the nxt forum. MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE and I am fuckng tired of it

Fair play for sending an email to a shit scam exchange mate, these devs sit on their asses all day doing sweet fuck all when it's people like you that built nxt.

[loopgate88]

http://wideo.co/view/1504591387756502643-nxt-generation-of-cryptocurrency
salsaCZ this video is amazing 

WOW amazing indeed. World class work.

The only thing I saw that could be different is @12s where you say "too slowly" as it should be "too slow".
Also background music along the lines of what minute physics or veritasium have, would be the final touch.

Excellent video.

[BloodyRookie]

I updated my javascript project for the bounty:

https://github.com/BloodyRookie/nxtCrypto

I think a test should at least include chrome and firefox because those 2 are probably the most comon browsers.

[loopgate88]

We have a Java server that is getting better every day, what we need is a well designed and fully cross-platform GUI for it, not an alternative implementation.

+1

+1M

[Bitventurer]

http://wideo.co/view/1504591387756502643-nxt-generation-of-cryptocurrency
salsaCZ this video is amazing 

WOW amazing indeed. World class work.

The only thing I saw that could be different is @12s where you say "too slowly" as it should be "too slow".
Also background music along the lines of what minute physics or veritasium have, would be the final touch.

Excellent video.

in general is OK, but i don’t like that in the beginning you say that Bitcoin is shit , bitcoin is fuckng nr. 1 no mather what,
odnt forget if it wouldnt be bitcoin there wouldnt be NXT , so stop saying that bitcoin is bad ... just don't , you can say something like this :

 "Let's face it , we all love Bitcoin with all our heart, but NXT is the next big thing thanks to Bitcoin! "

[NxtChg]

I updated my javascript project for the bounty:

https://github.com/BloodyRookie/nxtCrypto

I think a test should at least include chrome and firefox because those 2 are probably the most comon browsers.

Thanks for doing this work! We need JS crypto badly. Hope you'll get the bounty

[nexern]

So we all moving onto the dotnxt client now. Trusted? Safe? Are we promoting this client now until nexerns release?

Not me, that's for sure. With all respect to minusbalancer for his work, I think it is a dead end. What's the point of having a reverse-engineered, incomplete client that will run on windows only? We have a Java server that is getting better every day, what we need is a well designed and fully cross-platform GUI for it, not an alternative implementation.

Assuming 0.5.9 is as stable as I hope it is and there are no critical bugs, my next step will be a major refactoring of the code, 0.6.0 will no longer be a single java file. Next, I will add persistence of blocks and transactions in a database instead of using serialized files, and will no longer keep all of them in memory. If minusbalancer used decompiled sources to base his .NET implementation on, he will have to catch up with my changes and bugfixes, and come up with his own solution for the blockchain persistence. And spend time and efforts tracking down and fixing bugs that are already fixed in the Java version, and introduce his own bugs in the process. I really don't see the point.

same here, minusbalancer and marcus made very well but we need a stable and scalable java-based nxt-server.
the server is getting much better every day. moreover it will scale later to any size we need and trusted
servers will complete the decentralized infrastructure to keep clients lean, fast and very lightweighted,
this is the way to go. the core has to be the ultimative working horse, the client is using it's first class
api. this way we don't cannibalizing the peer and core devs can concentrate completely to new features.

@pinarello, better than an efficient client installer is no installing needed at all.

[Uniqueorn]

Please calm. 250K sent already. 3 million marketing plan has been tentatively approved. As long as results come in, regular 250K payments will be sent. Marketing is simply a cost that needs to be spent. 250K per month is 3 million NXT per year. that seems enough to get a lot more marketing done than before.

All the sausage making can be done at nxtcrypto now. There is funding. This thread will just be there for the progress announcements.

The point is: we want something official. As the price grows, suddenly people become more and more reluctant to spend on the work we do.
I got thanked by BTer for suggesting them to add NXT, they did, price grew 100%, did I get anything in return? NO. People wanted to reward BTER instead
This community is so ungrateful and selfish that it's painful.

We are sending people to the official bitcoin conferences from our own fucking wallets. Why aren't the NXT fund being spent on this?

Of course I am pissed, I have witnessed this selfish ungratefulness for over a month now and for some fuckedup reason this thread is still seen as the "official" place where these decisions is made, eventhough ALL the PR work are being done by us on the nxt forum. MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE and I am fuckng tired of it

Fair play for sending an email to a shit scam exchange mate, these devs sit on their asses all day doing sweet fuck all when it's people like you that built nxt.

Every community has a idiot like you.
Who the hell has said anything negative about the devs?
How the fuck do you even compare the two things?

We are a team of people (me, salsacz, nifty, justabit and a few more) who have worked hard on NXT marketing and organizing for over a month and we have not been paid shit for it and none of us are stakeholders.
And even the times we have plead with the community to start giving funding to these projects that is the corner stone of succes: we get zero recognition for it.

You must be too dumb to operate a computer safely if you do not understand this, so please log off.