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January 20, 2014, 05:40:10 PM |
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Then whatever Anon136's opinion happens to be is how the vote goes.
Why is that - does he have more NXT than anyway else that he is going to throw at his favourite option?
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msin
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January 20, 2014, 05:41:07 PM |
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Others alternatives are too time consuming. There is no clear motive for anyone to rig this poll. If there is a motive to rig the poll to benefit someone, we will find a different way of doing it.
Anyone with an agenda in regards to Nxt could well have motive and as I mentioned: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423995.0;topicseen means that you can create as many accounts to vote as you like right now. So what does the poll actually achieve when you have absolutely no way to know whether it is in anyway representative of Nxt stakeholders? All polls should be held at NxtCrytpo.org forum. Then make a poll there. I will vote. What is the point of having two polls at this point. Moving forward lets just post the polls at the NxtCrypto forum, then we would at least avoid allowing any BTT member to vote on our subjects.
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CIYAM
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January 20, 2014, 05:41:24 PM |
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whats to stop anyone sending nxt from multiple accounts....we have the same problem
It *costs* NXT - creating bitcointalk accounts just costs a little bit of time (now only seconds). It is obvious there are plenty of people on this forum with very little "coin" but a lot of time.
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bitcoinpaul
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January 20, 2014, 05:42:26 PM |
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Also NXT will be added once we have the funds for it. We are very excited to see such strong community behind NXT and want to add it as soon as we can.
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ebereon
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January 20, 2014, 05:43:37 PM |
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RaspNXT - a standalone NXT environment for the Raspberry Pi
Thanks for your work davethetrousers! I just modified your run_nxt.sh to be more raspian frendly with some log messages and to enable system startup and stop. It monitors the log file at start or stop of the server and logs it in the start/stop message. Just copy it to /etc/init.d and run "sudo update-rc.d run_nxt.sh defaults". It will start and stop in the runlevels and it will wait on "stop" untill blockchain is saved (timeout 10m). Please make sure to setup the variables like directorys and such. This is tested only with 0.5.9 and if a next update changes the log output, this script have to be changed! #! /bin/bash
### BEGIN INIT INFO # Provides: nxt # Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs $network $syslog $named $ntp $sshd # Required-Stop: # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 # Default-Stop: 0 1 6 # Short-Description: Start/stop NXT server # Description: NXT protocol server ### END INIT INFO
if [ `id -u` != "0" ] && [ "$1" = "start" -o "$1" = "stop" ] ; then echo "You must be root to start/stop nxt." exit 1 fi
# Settings nxtdir=/home/pi/nxt nxt=start.jar java=/usr/bin/java nxtpid=/var/run/nxt.pid nxtlog=/var/log/nxt.log nxtuser=pi nxtgroup=pi nxtnice=6 timeout=600 # end Settings
# check for exist files and dirs test -d $nxtdir || exit 0 test -f $nxtdir/$nxt || exit 0 test -f $java || exit 0
# make sure $nxtdir is ours! chown -R $nxtuser:$nxtgroup $nxtdir
. /lib/lsb/init-functions
case "$1" in start) log_daemon_msg "Starting NXT server..." "nxt " || true
# check if server is running if [ -e $nxtpid ]; then pid=`cat $nxtpid` var=`ps -p$pid | wc -l`
if [ $var -lt "2" ]; then # clear logfile echo -n > $nxtlog else echo -n "Server is already running!" log_end_msg 0 || true exit 0 fi fi # n minute timeout. sleep $timeout & timerPid=$!
# check log file and generate status-msg; will be killed when server is started or timeout hit tail -q -n0 -F --pid=$timerPid $nxtlog 2> /dev/null | while read line; do
if echo $line | grep -q "Loading transactions..."; then echo -n "Loading transactions..." elif echo $line | grep -q "Loading blocks..."; then echo -n "Loading blocks..." elif echo $line | grep -q "Scanning blockchain..."; then echo -n "Scanning blockchain..." fi
if echo $line | grep -q "Exception"; then echo -n "Java Exception! Blockchain corrupt? Killing process..." log_end_msg 1 || true kill -9 `cat $nxtpid` > /dev/null 2>&1 # stop the timer.. kill $timerPid > /dev/null 2>&1 fi
if echo $line | grep -q "started successfully."; then echo -n "Server started!" log_end_msg 0 || true # stop the timer.. kill $timerPid > /dev/null 2>&1 fi done & # start server if start-stop-daemon --start --name nxt --nicelevel $nxtnice --chuid $nxtuser:$nxtgroup --pidfile $nxtpid -m --chdir $nxtdir --exec $java >> $nxtlog -- -Xms250m -Xmx350m -jar $nxt STOP.PORT=7873 STOP.KEY=0815 2>&1 >> $nxtlog & then # wait for the timer to expire (or be killed) wait %sleep > /dev/null 2>&1 else log_end_msg 1 || true fi ;; stop) log_daemon_msg "Stopping NXT server..." "nxt " || true
# check if server is running if [ -e $nxtpid ]; then pid=`cat $nxtpid` var=`ps -p$pid | wc -l`
if [ $var -lt "2" ]; then echo -n "Server not running!" log_end_msg 0 || true exit 0 fi else echo -n "Server not running!" log_end_msg 0 || true exit 0 fi # n minute timeout. sleep $timeout & timerPid=$!
# check log file and generate status-msg; will be killed when server is stopped or timeout hit tail -q -n0 -F --pid=$timerPid $nxtlog 2> /dev/null | while read line; do if echo $line | grep -q "Saved blocks.nxt"; then echo -n ".saving blockchain files, this will take a while...Saved blocks.nxt..." fi if echo $line | grep -q "Saved transactions.nxt"; then echo -n "Saved transactions.nxt..." fi if echo $line | grep -q "stopped."; then echo -n "Server stopped!" log_end_msg 0 || true # stop the timer.. kill $timerPid fi done & if start-stop-daemon --start --name nxt_stop --chdir $nxtdir --exec $java 2>&1 >> $nxtlog -- -jar $nxt --stop STOP.PORT=7873 STOP.KEY=0815 2>&1 >> $nxtlog & then # wait for the timer to expire (or be killed) wait %sleep > /dev/null 2>&1 rm $nxtpid > /dev/null 2>&1 else log_end_msg 1 || true fi ;; restart) $0 stop sleep 1 $0 start ;; *) echo "usage:`basename $0` start | stop | restart" exit 1 ;; esac
I hope its useful for someone. If someone finds bugs or something stupid, please let me know, I'm not an expert! ;o) greets eb
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utopianfuture
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January 20, 2014, 05:44:11 PM |
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Others alternatives are too time consuming. There is no clear motive for anyone to rig this poll. If there is a motive to rig the poll to benefit someone, we will find a different way of doing it.
Anyone with an agenda in regards to Nxt could well have motive and as I mentioned: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423995.0;topicseen means that you can create as many accounts to vote as you like right now. So what does the poll actually achieve when you have absolutely no way to know whether it is in anyway representative of Nxt stakeholders? All polls should be held at NxtCrytpo.org forum. Then make a poll there. I will vote. What is the point of having two polls at this point. Moving forward lets just post the polls at the NxtCrypto forum, then we would at least avoid allowing any BTT member to vote on our subjects. Nextcoin users would probably oppose your idea. And they outnumber nxtcryoto users.
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kunibopl
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January 20, 2014, 05:49:23 PM |
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if you go to balances in the btc pane where you see withdrawals. Above that there will be a deposit address, near the top of the pane.
did you get a confirmation mail after registration, Anon136? I didn't and I guess that's the reason I don't see any other deposit address than for NXT. the space after Bitcoin deposit address just is empty.
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NXT: 5231236538923913892
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NxtChg
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January 20, 2014, 05:50:23 PM |
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What if we just make a simple site, where you can post an issue to vote.
Then people can vote by using the authorization token.
They addresses are checked for age and maybe some balance threshold and added for everyone to see, so it can be transparent.
It won't be perfect, but will be hell of a lot better than forum polls.
Anyone up to it?
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CIYAM
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January 20, 2014, 05:51:37 PM |
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What if we just make a simple site, where you can post an issue to vote.
Then people can vote by using the authorization token.
They addresses are checked for age and maybe some balance threshold and added for everyone to see, so it can be transparent.
It won't be perfect, but will be hell of a lot better than forum polls.
It certainly sounds a lot better than a forum poll to me.
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January 20, 2014, 05:51:42 PM |
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I would be very happy if you can devise a better way that actually works.
As suggested by Anon why not just set of 4 Nxt accounts and let people vote with their NXT (it is a PoS system after all)? Great idea. Let anon do it and see the results. Maybe it would be the same. Here is my suggestion: Open a Nxt account for voting. If someone wants to vote, they can send the account a public AM (Message). Use a topic # that people can use in their voting message. For example, message says "I vote for option #2 on topic # 112" That way, it cost 1 Nxt to vote but the account doesn't actually receive any Nxt.
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January 20, 2014, 05:52:22 PM |
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What if we just make a simple site, where you can post an issue to vote.
Then people can vote by using the authorization token.
They addresses are checked for age and maybe some balance threshold and added for everyone to see, so it can be transparent.
It won't be perfect, but will be hell of a lot better than forum polls.
Anyone up to it?
continue Edit: you could allow an IP address to only vote once...also you couldn;t vote if you used TOR or similar service...IP address would have to be visible. ...to control for only humans you would need to answer a small question before your vote got submitted.
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January 20, 2014, 05:53:41 PM |
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Here is my suggestion: Open a Nxt account for voting. If someone wants to vote, they can send the account a public AM (Message). Use a topic # that people can use in their voting message. For example, message says "I vote for option #2 on topic # 112" That way, it cost 1 Nxt to vote but the account doesn't actually receive any Nxt.
I like this idea also - at least we are now starting to think about a Nxt way of voting!
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Bitventurer
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January 20, 2014, 05:54:10 PM |
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client doesn’t works , cant start it , 05.9
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SP8DE - The Game of Chance. Changed.
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January 20, 2014, 05:57:24 PM |
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I would be very happy if you can devise a better way that actually works.
As suggested by Anon why not just set of 4 Nxt accounts and let people vote with their NXT (it is a PoS system after all)? The dangerous incentives would have to be stepped around very very carefully. Imagine a situation where someone spent 10,000 nxt to vote for having 20,000 nxt spent on his "marketing" campaign and then just disappeared. With that said it may still be the best way.
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Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited?
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NxtChg
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January 20, 2014, 05:57:36 PM |
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What if we just make a simple site, where you can post an issue to vote.
Then people can vote by using the authorization token.
They addresses are checked for age and maybe some balance threshold and added for everyone to see, so it can be transparent.
It won't be perfect, but will be hell of a lot better than forum polls.
Anyone up to it?
continue Somebody in love with jQuery and free templates can probably do it in half an hour. Messages is good too, but it's too "techy". Here you will have a nice list of posts with stats and lists of voters. I'd do it, but I am already tied up in exchange and the new address format...
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January 20, 2014, 05:58:07 PM |
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when do we get voting system NXT self?
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January 20, 2014, 05:58:26 PM |
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Here is my suggestion: Open a Nxt account for voting. If someone wants to vote, they can send the account a public AM (Message). Use a topic # that people can use in their voting message. For example, message says "I vote for option #2 on topic # 112" That way, it cost 1 Nxt to vote but the account doesn't actually receive any Nxt.
I like this idea also - at least we are now starting to think about a Nxt way of voting! Or even better, open a new Nxt account for each voting topic, then you just vote with AM, and don't have to cite the topic.
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utopianfuture
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January 20, 2014, 05:58:35 PM |
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What if we just make a simple site, where you can post an issue to vote.
Then people can vote by using the authorization token.
They addresses are checked for age and maybe some balance threshold and added for everyone to see, so it can be transparent.
It won't be perfect, but will be hell of a lot better than forum polls.
Anyone up to it?
Great idea. Let's try that as long as we have a way to gather the consensus.
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January 20, 2014, 05:59:42 PM |
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I would be very happy if you can devise a better way that actually works.
As suggested by Anon why not just set of 4 Nxt accounts and let people vote with their NXT (it is a PoS system after all)? The dangerous incentives would have to be stepped around very very carefully. Imagine a situation where someone spent 10,000 nxt to vote for having 20,000 nxt spent on his "marketing" campaign and then just disappeared. With that said it may still be the best way. If we use AM, then we can at least make sure each voting account is different with a public key.
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gs02xzz
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January 20, 2014, 06:01:19 PM |
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I would be very happy if you can devise a better way that actually works.
As suggested by Anon why not just set of 4 Nxt accounts and let people vote with their NXT (it is a PoS system after all)? +1
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