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I like the fact that pow burns work because to me it will resolve into a gdp type metric that john nash said was required for the ideal currency...efficiency of power linearily will scale with how well economy is doing.. in general economy is an oraganic mechanism anyway... when you stop innovating you get recessions until a breakthrough evolved to create more efficient and new use cases in technology to help everyday life and understanding... ive been saying it since i first learned of bitcoin..
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Religion and Progress

The greatest obstacle to human progress is not a technological hurdle but the evil inherent in ourselves. Humans have knowledge of good and evil and with this knowledge we often choose evil.

Collectivism exists because it employs aggregated force to limit evil especially the forms of evil linked to physical violence. Collectivism is expensive and inefficient but these inefficiencies are less than the cost of unrestrained individualism. Collectivism aggregates capital for the common good and we are far from outgrowing our need for this.

1.   Prehistory required the aggregation of human capital in the form of young warriors willing to fight to protect the tribe.
2.   The Agricultural Age required physical capital in the form of land ownership and a State to protect the land.
3.   The Industrial Age required the aggregation of monetary capital to fund large fixed capital investments and factories.

A farmer in the agricultural age could achieve some protection from theft and violence by arming himself. He could protect himself against a small hostile groups by forming defensive pacts with neighboring farmers. To defend against large scale organized violence, however, requires an army and thus a state.

In 1651 Thomas Hobbes argued for the merits of centralized monarchy. He believed that only absolute monarchy was capable of suppressing the evils of an unrestrained humanity. He described in graphic wording the consequences of a world without monarchy a condition he called the state of nature.

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In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. - Thomas Hobbes Leviathan

There may well have been a time in human history when the absolute monarchy of Hobbes was the best available government but Hobbes was writing at the end of that era. England had been transformed from a nation almost completely conquered by the Odin worshiping Great Heathen Army of 865 to a country that protected the legal rights of nobles in the Magna Carta of 1215 to a devoutly Christian nation that formalized the rights of judicial review for common citizens in the 1679 Habeas Corpus act. Hobbes had failed to appreciate the growth of moral capital that allowed for superior forms of government with increased freedom.

Our forefathers understood that it is morality and virtue that allows for freedom a lesson many today have forgotten.

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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Benjamin Franklin

“Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks, no form of government, can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea. If there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men; so that we do not depend upon their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them.” - James Madison

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.” - George Washington

In human interactions we often face a choice between cooperation (reaching a mutually beneficial exchange) and defection (advancement of ourselves to the detriment of our fellow man). The nation state, police, and laws suppress physical violence but do nothing to maintain the morality and virtue that sustain freedom. Collectivism limits some avenues of defection while opening entire new possibilities. New opportunities for defection arise along the entire economic spectrum. Everything from special interest lobbying, to disability scammers, and on a larger scale our entire fiat monetary system are essentially forms of defection allowing the few to profit at the expense of the many. Nation state collectivism has allowed for the creation of great civilizations, and yet is entirely unsustainable in its current form.

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"our Western civilization is on its way to perishing. It has many commendable qualities, most of which it has borrowed from the Christian ethic, but it lacks the element of moral wisdom that would give it permanence. Future historians will record that we of the twentieth century had intelligence enough to create a great civilization but not the moral wisdom to preserve it." - A.W. Tozer

The perishing of Western civilization, however, does not mean fragmentation and collapse. Indeed in this instance the opposite appears to be true and collapse looks set to drive us via economic fundamentals and debt into a single world government paradigm for reasons discussed at length elsewhere.

The evolution of the social contract is a progressive climb to higher potential energy systems with increased degrees of freedom. The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism advanced into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. It is likely that in the near future republics will be consumed by world government, and perhaps someday world government will evolve into decentralized government.

Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity while lowering the number of individuals able to defect. Each iteration increases the sustainable degrees of freedom the system can support. Moral capital is the foundation that allows this progress to occur. For this reason ethical monotheism is the single greatest contributor to human progress from any source since human culture emerged from the stone ages.

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"Nature is amoral. Nature knows nothing of good and evil. In nature there is one rule—survival of the fittest. There is no right, only might. If a creature is weak, kill it. Only human beings could have moral rules such as, "If it is weak, protect it." Only human beings can feel themselves ethically obligated to strangers.
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Nature allows you to act naturally, i.e., do only what you want you to do, without moral restraints; God does not. Nature lets you act naturally - and it is as natural to kill, rape, and enslave as it is to love.
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One of the vital elements in the ethical monotheist revolution was its repudiation of nature as god. The evolution of civilization and morality have depended in large part on desanctifying nature.
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Civilizations that equated gods with nature—a characteristic of all primitive societies—or that worshipped nature did not evolve.
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Words cannot convey the magnitude of the change wrought by the Bible's introduction into the world of a God who rules the universe morally." - Dennis Prager

The utopia of limited to no government, would only be possible for a population constantly striving at all times to be moral. Such a utopia would require all individuals to always act cooperatively, honesty, and transparently. We lack the required moral fiber for anything like this to work at our current juncture in history.


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November 25, 2016, 06:51:26 PM
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I am also from India and facing this issue as well.The main reason behind this have our government is taken a huge step and banned the higher value notes to take control of black money.So peoples here are trying to either buy gold with them quickly and some who know about bitcoins want to buy it.
Every day i see in our india exchange btcxindia.com,the price of bitcoin is just inreasing.

Is gold viable as a currency? How do you trade a gold necklace for a hamburger?

Wouldn't an instant currency transfer with your mobile phone be more practical?

Aren't Indians very fond of having a smart phone as soon as they can afford one?

The government can't stop people from using crypto-currency unless they block the Internet.

Am I correct that Indians hate to pay taxes?


Sadly yes indian dont love to pay taxes but i am totally against it because there is a huge lot of black money in our country which is slowing down country's progress for sure,thats why that strong step being taken to remove all those black money.

Bitcoin can be an option but still to buy bitcoin people have to first deposit their cash to bank account and then buy bitcoin and i that way government can track that big amount is being deposited but yes they can never know how much bitcoins have been holded and hence cannot take tax for that.

Bitcoin has that problem of onboarding, but Steem(it) does not. And there is a better clone/kind of Steem(it) coming which I think is going to make it very easy for the people to get crypto-currency without needing to go through an exchange. And then the world will change. I say this, because I am the person who is creating this new project.

Why is not paying taxes bad for your country? The government is the most inefficient use of resources, so keeping resources out of the government's hands should be the best for growing the economy.

An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.”  ― Lazarus Long

You think the government is the only entity which can build roads, schools, and provide food and health care to the indigent?

Rather the problem in India is your country doesn't allow foreigners to invest there without a lot of corrupt bureaucracy. The problem of India is all the corruption. I read there are corrupt police and officials and it is very difficult and dangerous to attempt to do business there.

So what you really need in India is to stop the caste system and stop the corruption.

With crypto-currency and the Internet, we can empower the people of India to rise above the corruption, because the government officials can't control the Internet, the way they can control the lands, the licenses to build infrastructure and do physical business. The virtual economy is global and the people can increasingly go to it to earn income which can't be corrupted.

This is the future.
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November 25, 2016, 06:53:20 PM
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I like the fact that pow burns work because to me it will resolve into a gdp type metric that john nash said was required for the ideal currency...efficiency of power linearily will scale with how well economy is doing.. in general economy is an oraganic mechanism anyway... when you stop innovating you get recessions until a breakthrough evolved to create more efficient and new use cases in technology to help everyday life and understanding... ive been saying it since i first learned of bitcoin..
Disagree on the conclusion. Not every market can be considered the same and hence we may see a dichotomy of a few resilient markets charting their own course different from the larger world economy. On valuations, yes even the Indian markets are perhaps still over-valued by 10-15% from the long term averages, but it does not look like a complete lost case. The tide shall turn, if not in 2016 then surely in 2017 - the world will recover and we shall look back at an event that perhaps promised more than it delivered.
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November 25, 2016, 10:20:28 PM
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I like the fact that pow burns work because to me it will resolve into a gdp type metric that john nash said was required for the ideal currency...efficiency of power linearily will scale with how well economy is doing.. in general economy is an oraganic mechanism anyway... when you stop innovating you get recessions until a breakthrough evolved to create more efficient and new use cases in technology to help everyday life and understanding... ive been saying it since i first learned of bitcoin..
Disagree on the conclusion. Not every market can be considered the same and hence we may see a dichotomy of a few resilient markets charting their own course different from the larger world economy. On valuations, yes even the Indian markets are perhaps still over-valued by 10-15% from the long term averages, but it does not look like a complete lost case. The tide shall turn, if not in 2016 then surely in 2017 - the world will recover and we shall look back at an event that perhaps promised more than it delivered.

Markets are organic just like cities are organic.. they all end up dying and being reborn through revolution.. once they reach peak nothing anyone can do but innovate to stop it.
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November 25, 2016, 10:41:16 PM
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I like the fact that pow burns work because to me it will resolve into a gdp type metric that john nash said was required for the ideal currency...efficiency of power linearily will scale with how well economy is doing.. in general economy is an oraganic mechanism anyway... when you stop innovating you get recessions until a breakthrough evolved to create more efficient and new use cases in technology to help everyday life and understanding... ive been saying it since i first learned of bitcoin..
Disagree on the conclusion. Not every market can be considered the same and hence we may see a dichotomy of a few resilient markets charting their own course different from the larger world economy. On valuations, yes even the Indian markets are perhaps still over-valued by 10-15% from the long term averages, but it does not look like a complete lost case. The tide shall turn, if not in 2016 then surely in 2017 - the world will recover and we shall look back at an event that perhaps promised more than it delivered.
Ballsy saying that the world will rebound in 2016. We're still a decent ways away from getting close to getting out of the pre-recissionary scenario we're currently stuck in, and just a few commodities going up slightly in value isn't worth what you think it is. Companies have a long way to go to recover from this, and even then money has to start flowing again. A ton of people are holding fiat now.
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November 26, 2016, 12:23:06 AM
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Religion and Progress

The greatest obstacle to human progress is not a technological hurdle but the evil inherent in ourselves. Humans have knowledge of good and evil and with this knowledge we often choose evil.

Collectivism exists because it employs aggregated force to limit evil especially the forms of evil linked to physical violence. Collectivism is expensive and inefficient but these inefficiencies are less than the cost of unrestrained individualism. Collectivism aggregates capital for the common good and we are far from outgrowing our need for this.

1.   Prehistory required the aggregation of human capital in the form of young warriors willing to fight to protect the tribe.
2.   The Agricultural Age required physical capital in the form of land ownership and a State to protect the land.
3.   The Industrial Age required the aggregation of monetary capital to fund large fixed capital investments and factories.

A farmer in the agricultural age could achieve some protection from theft and violence by arming himself. He could protect himself against a small hostile groups by forming defensive pacts with neighboring farmers. To defend against large scale organized violence, however, requires an army and thus a state.

In 1651 Thomas Hobbes argued for the merits of centralized monarchy. He believed that only absolute monarchy was capable of suppressing the evils of an unrestrained humanity. He described in graphic wording the consequences of a world without monarchy a condition he called the state of nature.

Quote
In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. - Thomas Hobbes Leviathan

There may well have been a time in human history when the absolute monarchy of Hobbes was the best available government but Hobbes was writing at the end of that era. England had been transformed from a nation almost completely conquered by the Odin worshiping Great Heathen Army of 865 to a country that protected the legal rights of nobles in the Magna Carta of 1215 to a devoutly Christian nation that formalized the rights of judicial review for common citizens in the 1679 Habeas Corpus act. Hobbes had failed to appreciate the growth of moral capital that allowed for superior forms of government with increased freedom.

Our forefathers understood that it is morality and virtue that allows for freedom a lesson many today have forgotten.

Quote
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Benjamin Franklin

“Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks, no form of government, can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea. If there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men; so that we do not depend upon their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them.” - James Madison

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.” - George Washington

In human interactions we often face a choice between cooperation (reaching a mutually beneficial exchange) and defection (advancement of ourselves to the detriment of our fellow man). The nation state, police, and laws suppress physical violence but do nothing to maintain the morality and virtue that sustain freedom. Collectivism limits some avenues of defection while opening entire new possibilities. New opportunities for defection arise along the entire economic spectrum. Everything from special interest lobbying, to disability scammers, and on a larger scale our entire fiat monetary system are essentially forms of defection allowing the few to profit at the expense of the many. Nation state collectivism has allowed for the creation of great civilizations, and yet is entirely unsustainable in its current form.

Quote
"our Western civilization is on its way to perishing. It has many commendable qualities, most of which it has borrowed from the Christian ethic, but it lacks the element of moral wisdom that would give it permanence. Future historians will record that we of the twentieth century had intelligence enough to create a great civilization but not the moral wisdom to preserve it." - A.W. Tozer

The perishing of Western civilization, however, does not mean fragmentation and collapse. Indeed in this instance the opposite appears to be true and collapse looks set to drive us via economic fundamentals and debt into a single world government paradigm for reasons discussed at length elsewhere.

The evolution of the social contract is a progressive climb to higher potential energy systems with increased degrees of freedom. The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism advanced into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. It is likely that in the near future republics will be consumed by world government, and perhaps someday world government will evolve into decentralized government.

Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity while lowering the number of individuals able to defect. Each iteration increases the sustainable degrees of freedom the system can support. Moral capital is the foundation that allows this progress to occur. For this reason ethical monotheism is the single greatest contributor to human progress from any source since human culture emerged from the stone ages.

Quote
"Nature is amoral. Nature knows nothing of good and evil. In nature there is one rule—survival of the fittest. There is no right, only might. If a creature is weak, kill it. Only human beings could have moral rules such as, "If it is weak, protect it." Only human beings can feel themselves ethically obligated to strangers.
...
Nature allows you to act naturally, i.e., do only what you want you to do, without moral restraints; God does not. Nature lets you act naturally - and it is as natural to kill, rape, and enslave as it is to love.
...
One of the vital elements in the ethical monotheist revolution was its repudiation of nature as god. The evolution of civilization and morality have depended in large part on desanctifying nature.
...
Civilizations that equated gods with nature—a characteristic of all primitive societies—or that worshipped nature did not evolve.
...
Words cannot convey the magnitude of the change wrought by the Bible's introduction into the world of a God who rules the universe morally." - Dennis Prager

The utopia of limited to no government, would only be possible for a population constantly striving at all times to be moral. Such a utopia would require all individuals to always act cooperatively, honesty, and transparently. We lack the required moral fiber for anything like this to work at our current juncture in history.



It's very simple thinking but I see that all systems tend to emerge or gain popularity due to the abuses of the preceding system. Much like how the socialist capitalist system we have now has led to a push for even more socialism in the guise of equality or nationalism due to the rising & lengthy inequality that 'capitalism-for-some'.

Interesting to note that during the 'Age of the Goddess' there is very little archaeological evidence of violence (9000 - 6000 BC). I believe the basic reasons for this are that:

a) humanity was an endangered species and the 'be fruitful and multiply, replenish the earth' was actually directly applicable
b) this was a period of warm, stable climate after a long period of calamity. The earth was sparsely populated and the warm period provided plenty of food, water and warmth.

Eventually as populations grow and congregate, we begin to protect what we have from others. I think our good / evil capabilities are brought out by necessity.

While societies that worshipped the gods of nature may not have evolved in the way we view as normal, they adapted to their landscape and survived and were often more complex than given credit for.

An argument can be made that periods when the earth returns to cooling coincide with increases in violence as groups are forced to move as their food, water and shelter disappears

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November 26, 2016, 01:31:59 AM
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I like the fact that pow burns work because to me it will resolve into a gdp type metric that john nash said was required for the ideal currency...efficiency of power linearily will scale with how well economy is doing.. in general economy is an oraganic mechanism anyway... when you stop innovating you get recessions until a breakthrough evolved to create more efficient and new use cases in technology to help everyday life and understanding... ive been saying it since i first learned of bitcoin..
Disagree on the conclusion. Not every market can be considered the same and hence we may see a dichotomy of a few resilient markets charting their own course different from the larger world economy. On valuations, yes even the Indian markets are perhaps still over-valued by 10-15% from the long term averages, but it does not look like a complete lost case. The tide shall turn, if not in 2016 then surely in 2017 - the world will recover and we shall look back at an event that perhaps promised more than it delivered.
Ballsy saying that the world will rebound in 2016. We're still a decent ways away from getting close to getting out of the pre-recissionary scenario we're currently stuck in, and just a few commodities going up slightly in value isn't worth what you think it is. Companies have a long way to go to recover from this, and even then money has to start flowing again. A ton of people are holding fiat now.
It will if blockchain is a game changing tech which touches all people in thr world like internet did.. then perhaps 2025 to 2030 we may get out of recession and new cycle is.born
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November 26, 2016, 11:53:21 PM
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Instead of formal advertising, all advertisers need to do is buy some steempower and then automatically upvote anything that has their chosen keywords in it. Writers will automatically start including said keywords, so it is win-win, especially as it is a more natural form of advertising.

The problem is that the advertising industry is stuck in the old days where they advertise like they do in newspapers or on the search engines. It will take them awhile before they wrap their heads around a new model.

The new model will be that your users do your advertising. You can't buy this with money. You buy this by providing something to your users that they need to talk about with others.

Welcome the Knowledge Age that I (@AnonyMint) was writing about and predicting since 2013:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.0
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I saw this map of the Dark Enlightenment years ago and quickly forgot all about it. Essentially it is a map of various blogs. Each circle is  is a blog.

Since then entirely independently I came across and read the listed Bruce Charlton's blog which I found quite interesting and well worth reading. Just today I also realized that Vox Day also has a listed blog which I have not read but I remembered that Vox Day wrote a glowing review of my favorite book Awake In The Night Land. I have also read some of Menicus Moldbug's Unqualified Reservations and found it very well written and interesting even though I disagree with his conclusions regarding monarchy for reasons I have explored elsewhere.

So far the track record of these Dark Enlightenment blogs has been pretty good. However, there remain too many listed blogs to realistically explore in the very limited time I have to assign to such things.

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December 05, 2016, 01:42:33 AM
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Ah yes I was thinking it was 500 ounces.
500 grams is much less, but I still doubt the average person owns $20,000 worth of gold.
This will still only have an effect on the very wealthy. Some might buy some Bitcoin, but I assume most are going to hide money in offshore accounts and companies outside their country.

The intended effect is that it will be impractical to use gold as form of tax avoiding cash. You can bury gold in the ground and never use it, because that it no threat at all to the government's desire to tax everything that moves. Have fun eating your gold or watching it sit there useless in the ground while the economic opportunities move on without you.

The elite are moving the tangible economy to electronic currency that is tracked for taxes.

They will use the poor as a weapon against the middle class. The poor will avidly support increased taxation because the government will promise them free things. In India, the government is recently offering a basic level of free food and medical care system support to the indigent. This is a big deal because in the past 1/3 of Indians only ate once a day.

The poor see these increased taxation as ending corruption and funding the support for the poor. They don't realize it is the laying the seeds for tax slavery.

But we in the crypto-currency currency arena can offer the poor a better deal than what the government can give them. We can offer them a job in the virtual economy where they can become independently a middle class person. And then they will hate taxes.

I am working on this now. Steem(it) was the first (failed) example. We can onboard the billions into crypto-currency by giving them currency when they do work on a social network. We can change the economy of the world.

Tinfoil hats are doing nothing. They are stuck in an unimaginative old world fight over tangible resources. Iron used to be a precious metal. Everyone needs to understand we live in an age of surplus and we are moving to a Knowledge Age:

You will probably need a week or two of studying the thread slowly.

I will be the first to admit I needed a week to fully absorb the following works of AnonyMint.

The Rise of Knowledge <--- READ THIS
Understand Everything Fundamentally

Together these are quite simply the most insightful piece of economic theory I have ever read.

If the author is right and I think he is we are all in the midst of a tragedy of epic proportions.  It is sad unstoppable and will devastate the lives of much of humanity.

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December 05, 2016, 02:24:42 AM
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I am looking for an altcoin that can turn the youth away from Socialism and towards being productive:

Bernie Sander's Millennials Socialism is Coming...

Surely they will feel better about themselves being productive and earning their own TAXABLE money, than stealing from others.

Please spread this message to the spoiled-brat Millennials
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I came across Prager University this week.

Its a webpage that tries to cover complex topics in economics, politics, and other fields in brief but well done five minute clips.

Below is one such clip. Probably the best explanation of the fundamental difference between the left and the right that I have come across.

https://www.prageru.com/courses/left-and-right-differences

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I am very clearly now seeing Armstrong's computer's prediction for the breakup of the USA into regions.

Tons of people predicted that before him.  Governance and democracy doesn't scale so there's no such thing as freedom if you're forced to adhere to the monolithic monopoly on the landmass.  This is why state's rights exists, so people don't have to leave the union to do things differently.  But when the federal govt tries to force their will over states, secession is the only choice.

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December 11, 2016, 09:34:01 AM
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So I looked at the links in your signature r0ach and found them a little odd.

First the Orthodox Jews (those Jews who most closely adhere to their their historic religious traditions) voted for Trump over Hillary.

Also Trumps daughter is an Orthodox Jew so I am fairly confident he is a supporter of the Jewish people.


It is a mistake to view the Jews as a monolithic group. At a minimum they must be divided in the orthodox (observant) and the non orthodox for these groups are very different. The orthodox Jews for example voted for Trump in the election.
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Religious attendance strongly correlated with supporting Donald Trump.
http://forward.com/news/353914/by-the-numbers-3-key-takeaways-from-the-2016-jewish-vote/
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Reform Jews are likeliest to favor Clinton over Trump, 74 percent to 10 percent; Reconstructionists prefer Clinton 71 percent to 0 percent for Trump and 15 percent for Stein; “just Jewish” chooses Clinton over Trump, 60 to 17 percent; and Conservative Jews favor Clinton over Trump, 57-29 percent.

Among Orthodox respondents, as in recent elections, preferences are flipped, with respondents likelier to favor Trump — to a degree. Trump does not do as well with this subset as Clinton does overall. Orthodox respondents favor Trump at 50 percent, Clinton at 21 percent, Johnson at 6 percent and Stein at 1 percent, with 15 percent saying they will not vote.

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Below are some interesting links relating to WWII

A map of the war that shows the shifting frontline each day of the war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVEy1tC7nk

A documentary of the war from the Russian perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhXKlYnSWjA

Hitler's public justification for invading Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v65NZpRZB3A

The German Hunger Plan and what it meant for Soviet POW.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mistreatment_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war

Concentration Camps Video Footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtRDt6uAB0U

The Allied Firebombing of German Cities
http://www.hellstormdocumentary.com/


The sad take home message from all of this is that bad ideas and reason can lead to horrific Evil. If we want a world of Good we need something more than reason.
https://www.prageru.com/courses/religionphilosophy/evil-rational

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So I looked at the links in your signature r0ach and found them a little odd.

It doesn't matter what type of hand waving you invent to attempt to rationalize or excuse Jewish behavior, the bottom line is that they practice extreme ethnic nepotism - group evolutionary strategy in other words - to the detriment of everyone else besides their group.

It's explained in great detail here:

Jewish group evolutionary strategy

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_group_evolutionary_strategy

It's no coincidence they've been kicked out of different countries something like 200 times.  No, it is not people being irrationally "racist".  It's because they form a state within a state and undermine the majority population who lives there.

109 Locations whence Jews have been Expelled since AD250

https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm

They've done the same thing in America forming monopolies in media and banking to the detriment of everyone else just like always and the time is drawing very near before they're expelled from here.  "Monopoly" isn't really the right word for it, more like malevolent, fractional reserve, usury scams.

They also hilariously have a wall in Israel and laws forbidding Jews from marrying anyone but other Jews (they practice Nazi ideology in Israel in other words) while telling the "goyim" in America they need open borders and to pass every law possible to accelerate white genocide here and in Europe.  They see all homogeneous societies as detrimental to their "interests" (usury scamming) because every homogeneous nation always throws them out rather than having an enemy faction working inside their borders to destroy them from within.

Giving them their own homeland does absolutely nothing because they far prefer attempting to insert themselves in as usury middlemen to live off others (rent seeking behavior) in other countries and only flee back to Israel as an option of last resort.

I also don't know who you're trying to fool, but Jews voted for Clinton 61% and trump 19%:

http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content3.aspx?c=7oJILSPwFfJSG&b=9302337&ct=14924017&notoc=1

They are easily predictable and always choose the most detrimental option possible for the common white man.

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So I looked at the links in your signature r0ach and found them a little odd.

It doesn't matter what type of hand waving you invent to attempt to rationalize or excuse Jewish behavior, the bottom line is that they practice extreme ethnic nepotism - group evolutionary strategy in other words - to the detriment of everyone else besides their group.

It's explained in great detail here:

Jewish group evolutionary strategy

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_group_evolutionary_strategy
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Trump got the Orthodox Jewish vote. But the Orthodox make up only about 10% of those who identify as Jewish.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/01/us/poll-shows-major-shift-in-identity-of-us-jews.html
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Reform Judaism remains the largest American Jewish movement, at 35 percent. Conservative Jews are 18 percent, Orthodox 10 percent, and groups such as Reconstructionist and Jewish Renewal make up 6 percent combined. Thirty percent of Jews do not identify with any denomination.

Ms. Eisner (sociologist of American Jewry at Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion) found the results “devastating” because, she said in an interview, “I thought there would be more American Jews who cared about religion.”
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Take away Judaism from the Jews and you just have a insular group of people who like all subgroups have strength and weaknesses and who can be critiqued along the lines you have above.

Add Judaism to the Jews and you have the spark that sets in motion the total transformation of humanity.

http://busylivingblog.blogspot.com/2007/02/only-two-races.html?m=1
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There are (only) two races of men in this world... The race of the decent man and the race of the indecent man. Both are found everywhere, they penetrate into all groups of society. No group consists entirely of decent or indecent people. In this sense no group is of pure race.

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Again, this is all hand waving, obfuscation nonsense.  I know for a fact that the Jews are not going to stop practicing extreme ethnic nepotism for the benefit of themselves and to the detriment of everyone else they come in contact with anytime soon.  Only a fool doesn't see them as being the main force behind our scam economic system and media propaganda.  I would be happy to live and let live, but the Jews obviously don't see it that way, so it's either a choice of them or me and I'm going to pick me instead.  Simple survival at this point.

As mentioned, they operate with extreme collectivism, and there is no way to combat a collective enemy without a collective solution.  You gave the common white man no other choice.  It's not our fault, it's your fault.  This has happened numerous times before in literally hundreds of countries and you still haven't learned your lesson.  You can see why I have zero sympathy.

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December 11, 2016, 06:39:11 PM
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Just want to point out that the only people who cry about Jews are envious losers. Jews practice economic nepotism because it works out really well for them! The only reason losers like Roach complain is that they can't benefit. You're the Marxist scum, Roach, you sad little man, trying to take others down for what they've accomplished.

In my eyes you are no better than the "welfare blacks" you love to rant about. A real man would succeed despite adversity, instead of crying about how the evil Jews have conspired against them. Is that what you tell yourself Roach, when you look at your life and see failure? That the Jews are responsible? Sure looks like it. Sad.
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