Before reading this, I made it very explicit that I think religion is mind control
here and most emphatically and detailed
here. Those two linked posts give more support to my points below.
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Bedrock of society is trade, not being surety for othersFrom: wearefucked
Date: Sun, April 5, 2015 10:53 pm
To: "Armstrong Economics" <
armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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CoinCube, you are incorrect.
The bedrock of society is trade, not being surety for others....
A government that holds everybody's hand, motivates the people to lose their diligence and become apathetic blobs of flesh. For as long as the government will punish the free market for your individual apathy, then the demand for solutions to your need to protect yourself won't exist. You see how trade and free markets work and then don't work when government stomps on them.
He provided a market function. He was helping humanity by fulfilling a demand for information. I have never believed in copyright. We can't protect that which is naturally free. Digital images can not be stopped from being traded. Once we have anonymous internet, there is no reasonable way such laws can be enforced.
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A collective society needs only trade. We don't need government. Armstrong is incorrect.
We CAN help the beggar or protect the innocent from harm coming to them (e.g. educating them not to publish repugnant photos of themselves and to arm themselves), but we CAN NOT mete out punishment as a surety contract in vengeance and expect it to accomplish protection because it has the opposite effect of encouraging those "victims" to become apathetic and not protect themselves which induces more wolves to hunt. Also it causes society to use vengeance to attempt to control nature and make it perfect, leading to an Orwellian police state of "political correctness" where we all bicker and quarrel because we have varying moral goals. Again you are stuck in the delusion (as most Marxists are) on the side of "what should be" instead of being rational about "what is". Check your rationality and try again.
Proverbs 22:26 Don't agree to guarantee another person's debt or put up security for someone else.
Proverbs 11:15 Whoever puts up security for a stranger will surely suffer, but whoever refuses to shake hands in pledge is safe.
Proverbs 6 My child, if you have made a pledge for your neighbor, and have become a guarantor for a stranger, if you have been ensnared by the words you have uttered, and have been caught by the words you have spoken, then, my child, do this in order to deliver yourself, because you have fallen into your neighbor’s power: go, humble yourself, and appeal firmly to your neighbor.
What happens when we make collective commitments to that which we CAN NOT insure 100% (i.e. the "standard" Jesus speaks of in Matthew 7) is that we as a society MUST act irrationally and use useless(!), collective vengeance to substitute for individual protection. This is why we end up in an Orwellian police state (and yes I was explaining these concepts to my Grandad at roughly age 12!).
http://www.bibleprophesy.org/goldismoney/biblemoney.html1 Timothy 5:8 People who don't take care of their relatives, and especially their own families, have given up their faith. They are worse than someone who doesn't have faith in the Lord.
Proverbs 1:11 when they say, "Come on! Let's gang up and kill somebody, just for the fun of it
12 let us swallow them up alive as the grave, and whole, as those that go down to the pit;
13 we shall find much precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil;
14 cast in thy lot among us, let us all have one purse""
15 my son, walk not thou in the way with them; restrain thy foot from their path;
16 for their feet run to evil and make haste to shed blood.
17 Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird!
18 And they lie in wait for their own blood; they lurk privily for their own lives.
19 So are the ways of every one that is greedy for gain, which taketh away the life of the owners thereof.
Romans 2 So do you think that you can judge those other people? You are wrong. You too are guilty of sin. You judge them, but you do the same things they do. So when you judge them, you are really condemning yourself. God judges all who do such things, and we know his judgment is right. And since you do the same things as those people you judge, surely you understand that God will punish you too. How could you think you would be able to escape his judgment? God has been kind to you. He has been very patient, waiting for you to change. But you think nothing of his kindness. Maybe you don’t understand that God is kind to you so that you will decide to change your lives. But you are so stubborn! You refuse to change. So you are making your own punishment greater and greater. You will be punished on the day when God will show his anger. On that day everyone will see how right God is to judge people. He will reward or punish everyone for what they have done.
Romans 12:17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil; consider what is good before all people. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all people. Do not avenge yourselves, dear friends, but give place to God’s wrath, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. Rather, if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in doing this you will be heaping burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Matthew 7 (Jesus said) “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For by the standard you judge you will be judged, and the measure you use will be the measure you receive. Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye,’ while there is a beam in your own? You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs; otherwise they will trample them under their feet and turn around and tear you to pieces.
James 4 What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel.
Matthew 18:21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
Matthew 6:14 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Luke 17:4 Even if that person wrongs you seven times a day and each time turns again and asks forgiveness, you must forgive.
Matthew 5:44 (Jesus said) But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you…
Colossians 3:13 Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
Proverbs 9:17 Stolen water is sweet; And bread eaten in secret is pleasant.
Ezekiel 33:15 If a wicked man restores a pledge, pays back what he has taken by robbery, walks by the statutes which ensure life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Luke 6:30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back.
We are not God (there may not even be one!). We CAN NOT control nature and make it perfect! If we try to promise that which we can not promise, we end up in Orwellian police states and war, because implicitly we judged ourselves to be imperfect and decided that we would use vengeance to make "right" that which is imperfect (human nature).
Jason Hommel almost had this concept correct, except he conflated that future's contract (options market) is very necessary to price discovery and hedging, and that the only problem with options is when the leverage they create is not 100% backed by margin. When they are not 100% margin backed, then his point against them is true:
http://www.silverstockreport.com/2008/futures.htmlThat's the trouble with futures and options; you are trying to invest and control what you don't own. You are not taking dominion over what you have, you are trying to take dominion over what another has.
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The main trouble with futures is that they are a promise, not payment in full. Promises can be broken. Promises can lure you in to making obligations you cannot fulfill.
http://silverstockreport.com/2009/greenspan-misapplied.htmlIN MY OPINION, Greenspan tried to let markets be free, but Greenspan did not understand the basic definition of markets, or freedom. In my opinion, markets are where things are traded, not where people are traded by entering into contracts. In my opinion, futures contracts, like debt contracts, lead to compulsory performance, and thus slavery. And slavery is the exact opposite of freedom! That's Greenspan's big error, the failure to see that slavery is the opposite of freedom! Again, as an example, allowing people the freedom to trade slaves does not promote freedom, it promotes slavery! Allowing banks to enslave people with too much unpayable home loan debt is a fruit of that error. Allowing banks to enslave one another so that if one topples, they all topple, is another fruit of that error. Allowing people to enslave banks to perform what they cannot, so that they "need" bailouts, is another fruit of that error.
