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May 17, 2015, 02:24:04 PM
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That's ludditism. The automation will not occur until wages raise high enough, and the current capital is worn down.


And what will those wages be paid in?

And what will those automatons be paid in?

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May 17, 2015, 02:24:47 PM
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When wages go down, it makes sense to employ humans in place of machines.

=> Automatization can only happen in the environment of rising wages.

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It's important to remember that we are talking about real wages here. If you can buy more with your earnings, your wages have risen. Even if you make nothing, you can get many services (WIFI, for example) for free almost everywhere, which means that you are better off than a person earning nothing 20 years ago Wink This is the increase in real wages even as nominal wages are stagnant. (Yes, I am aware that acquiring the same quality of food as was commonplace 50 years ago is really difficult and expensive today, so not all is good.)
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May 17, 2015, 02:24:52 PM
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Upwards to 40-50% of "9-5 jobs" will be replaced by automation or software by 2030.
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/519241/report-suggests-nearly-half-of-us-jobs-are-vulnerable-to-computerization/

[snip]

The thing you aren't seeing is the masses will have to change their perspective if they want to survive. Also, they will need the right tool for the job.

What defeats your rebuttal in this case to me is that the 50-60% implied rate of continued success is still "good enough" based on his original argument.

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Coupling this with the idea that most things (like food) should have a significant loss in relative value (thus becoming more affordable as per prev. discussion in this thread) . . then I would logically conclude that my government would just increase taxes . . successfully allowing our game to continue.

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Maybe we could expand into a more detailed breakdown? Do you have any more examples?

Short answer: ask the Wiemar subsequently Nazi Germans how it worked out for them.

Longer answer: taxing over the Laffer limit during an economic downturn is not an equilibrium. Capital is hoarded, it spirals downward into an abyss, and everything grinds to a halt. See the prior post I made which had a link to a blog post by Martin Armstrong which elaborates on that. The 47% technological unemployment predicted by Oxford U, can have multiple outcomes.

  • Govt dissolves itself, we radically increase knowledge networking, everyone finds a new job. Yahoo!!
  • Govt gets involved taxing, we use anonymity to dissolve govt and radically increase knowledge networking, everyone finds a new job. Yahoo!!
  • Govt stays involved but not higher taxes, we don't figure out how to accelerate knowledge networking for most, so 47% unemployment.
  • Govt gets involved by taxing, capital goes into hiding, the unemployment goes to 80% (other 20% work as thugs for the govt) and we euthanize everyone.

The range of outcomes is some where between those in varying degrees.

Why does the government involvement matter on who finds a new job in high tech? Because for as long as the government will give you everything for free, why should the masses be bothered!

This another reason there aren't more plumbers. No one has to do unglamorous jobs, because Obama and Europe and Canada provide social safety nets. Heck in Europe you only have to work 35 hours a week, you can't be fired, and you get 1 or 2 months paid vacation a year. And in some countries, they sleep in the office lounge chair in the afternoon or go to meetings at a fine restaurant.


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Carrots will continue their downward spiral of relative value. Iron used to be a precious metal. Commodities have trended downward in price for millennia.

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A more apposite phrase is "inexorable decline" which I employed in my seminal 2010 essay The Rise of Knowledge wherein I first explored this concept. You can find my sources there for the data documenting those claims. Also James A. Donald provided more sources specifically look at copper production since electrical wiring use has not declined.

Automation necessitates socialism.

The idea that once a job becomes automated, new jobs will be created that the unemploymed people can move to which is equal in or higher in wages has shown to not be an accurate prediction. Capitalists work within their idealistic system which does not represent the constraints of reality.

Surplus labor is continuing to increase, wages overall will contine to decrease until there is social revolution.



That's ludditism. The automation will not occur until wages raise high enough, and the current capital is worn down.


Automation will result in a net loss of jobs, period. That's the whole fucking point.

Anyone who tries to argue against this is experiencing some massive cognitive dissonance for one reason or another. Fear? Jealousy? Ignorance? Take your pick.

Good argument. What was the argument again?

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May 17, 2015, 02:33:22 PM
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All production is consumed by humans. The robots don't eat. If we make the robots produce stuff with a 10 times higher efficiency, it must mean that either humans are enjoying 10 times more stuff, or doing 9/10ths less work (or combination). The equation does not have other roots.

Many are concerned about the distribution problem. A short answer is that when making 10 times more stuff with the same resources, it is easy to make everyone better off: even if some enjoy ultimate opulence, the rest also do better than the kings of early ages. Without working necessarily at all.

The current system seems to be trying to hinder the progression to this nirvanatic condition, by imposing an incalculable number of rules and regulations to thwart freedom in relations and businesses, and seems to be ready to unleash death and destruction to hinder it further. This is somewhat of a shame, but I don't think they will be any more able to resist advance than all the previous systems.
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Upwards to 40-50% of "9-5 jobs" will be replaced by automation or software by 2030.
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/519241/report-suggests-nearly-half-of-us-jobs-are-vulnerable-to-computerization/

[snip]

The thing you aren't seeing is the masses will have to change their perspective if they want to survive. Also, they will need the right tool for the job.

What defeats your rebuttal in this case to me is that the 50-60% implied rate of continued success is still "good enough" based on his original argument.

[snip]

Coupling this with the idea that most things (like food) should have a significant loss in relative value (thus becoming more affordable as per prev. discussion in this thread) . . then I would logically conclude that my government would just increase taxes . . successfully allowing our game to continue.

[snip]

Maybe we could expand into a more detailed breakdown? Do you have any more examples?

Short answer: ask the Wiemar subsequently Nazi Germans how it worked out for them.

Longer answer: taxing over the Laffer limit during an economic downturn is not an equilibrium. Capital is hoarded, it spirals downward into an abyss, and everything grinds to a halt. See the prior post I made which had a link to a blog post by Martin Armstrong which elaborates on that. The 47% technological unemployment predicted by Oxford U, can have multiple outcomes.

  • Govt dissolves itself, we radically increase knowledge networking, everyone finds a new job. Yahoo!!
  • Govt gets involved taxing, we use anonymity to dissolve govt and radically increase knowledge networking, everyone finds a new job. Yahoo!!
  • Govt stays involved but not higher taxes, we don't figure out how to accelerate knowledge networking for most, so 47% unemployment.
  • Govt gets involved by taxing, capital goes into hiding, the unemployment goes to 80% (other 20% work as thugs for the govt) and we euthanize everyone.

The range of outcomes is some where between those in varying degrees.

Why does the government involvement matter on who finds a new job in high tech? Because for as long as the government will give you everything for free, why should the masses be bothered!

This another reason there aren't more plumbers. No one has to do unglamorous jobs, because Obama and Europe and Canada provide social safety nets. Heck in Europe you only have to work 35 hours a week, you can't be fired, and you get 1 or 2 months paid vacation a year. And in some countries, they sleep in the office lounge chair in the afternoon or go to meetings at a fine restaurant.


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Carrots will continue their downward spiral of relative value. Iron used to be a precious metal. Commodities have trended downward in price for millennia.

[snip]

A more apposite phrase is "inexorable decline" which I employed in my seminal 2010 essay The Rise of Knowledge wherein I first explored this concept. You can find my sources there for the data documenting those claims. Also James A. Donald provided more sources specifically look at copper production since electrical wiring use has not declined.

Automation necessitates socialism.

The idea that once a job becomes automated, new jobs will be created that the unemploymed people can move to which is equal in or higher in wages has shown to not be an accurate prediction. Capitalists work within their idealistic system which does not represent the constraints of reality.

Surplus labor is continuing to increase, wages overall will contine to decrease until there is social revolution.



That's ludditism. The automation will not occur until wages raise high enough, and the current capital is worn down.


Automation will result in a net loss of jobs, period. That's the whole fucking point.

Anyone who tries to argue against this is experiencing some massive cognitive dissonance for one reason or another. Fear? Jealousy? Ignorance? Take your pick.

Good argument. What was the argument again?


The argument is common sense. People with PhDs who teach classes on automation are saying that the automation that is happening today will eliminate the middle class. We'll end up with only super rich and desperately poor. That is the consensus among experts.

Oh you're an engineer? They can't take your job? Then everyone and his mother will become engineers and flood the market, driving wages down.


There is still no argument, you just pointed to a random teacher. Why would a capitalist further automate a process and earn less?

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May 17, 2015, 05:01:20 PM
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What stuff do people need for their living?
- food
- shelter
- transportation
- physical things
- immaterial things
- services

Physical things have already become unbelievably cheaper compared to 300 years ago, so that ordinary people own infinitely more possessions than people then did, yet the resale value of a typical estate is near zero.

Immaterial things are free to duplicate, so they are often free and without IPR's the rest would become even cheaper as well.

Food is problematic, because TPTB has a grip on the production, causing bad quality and hindering subsistence farming. I envision a world where the number of manhours spent on farming would somewhat increase from the current, and food would be much better quality than before. Exact ways how to achieve this are more detailed than the scope here. To get high-quality food, human labor is likely irreplaceable, but then again gardening is fun.

Transportation is dependent on energy. So as energy becomes cheaper, transportation will as well. It can get more automated as well. Also the communications and 3-D printing reduce the need of physical transportation of people and goods.

Shelter has become the most expensive need to satisfy, due to the vast improvement in living standards, and also suffocating regulations. There is much to improve in efficiency and variety in housing conditions, regardless of the standard of luxury and convenience.

Services are the balance item. All production in excess of satisfying the physical needs and wants (including the immaterial things) is naturally attracted to services, which are upper-bounded by the number of people, and whose productivity can only moderately be increased by advances in technology. (This is a circular definition, because I define "services" to include the activity that fulfills this criterion, and other production being the domain where progress can increase efficiency by leaps and bounds.)

If we accept that the concentration of both financial and knowledge capital leads to the "dystopian" state of affairs that all other production except services was owned by very few, and employing almost nobody, this will not lead to the outcome that everyone else would live in abject poverty and misery.

Why would they? The production of everything that people need has increased per capita, and people have a limit how much they can rationally use. For the owner class to further increase their standard of living, they want to employ the "rest of us" in the service sector, and the wages they need to competitively offer, will be spent by the people to acquire the basic needs of living that the owner class is producing. Without this exchange, the owner class would be bereft of their services, and would have nobody to buy their goods, clearly an illogical outcome.

I posit that the state is currently consuming most of the resources that could be used for production of services, for their myopic attempts of maintaining "full employment" by employing people in sectors that don't produce anything of value (or even negative value) - in the west the main ones are government bureaucracy, "welfare", "education", "healthcare" and war industry. If we got rid of these, up to 80% of the people would not need to work, yet the production would increase as the monopolies, regulations, etc. would be dissolved. The rich and the knowledgeable would get richer and enjoy life much more, but also the vast majority would see their living standard and especially quality of life improved greatly, after a transition period of course (it is not realistic to assume that a change of this magnitude could happen instantly and learnign to live in freedom will certainly be an inconvenient or even painful experience to many who are not used to it).

TL; DR: There is nothing new under the sun. What the luddites of today fear, has been proved wrong every time there was any advance in efficiency since the dawn of mankind. Now we even have a huge reserve of pent-up production capacity, because most of the people of today are just working in the system doing nothing of value. With the release of these people, the future looks brighter than most of us can even imagine.


Further reading: Henry Hazlitt, Economics in One Lesson (1946), ISBN 978-193355021-3



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May 17, 2015, 05:06:13 PM
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All production is consumed by humans. The robots don't eat. If we make the robots produce stuff with a 10 times higher efficiency, it must mean that either humans are enjoying 10 times more stuff, or doing 9/10ths less work (or combination). The equation does not have other roots.

Many are concerned about the distribution problem. A short answer is that when making 10 times more stuff with the same resources, it is easy to make everyone better off: even if some enjoy ultimate opulence, the rest also do better than the kings of early ages. Without working necessarily at all.

The current system seems to be trying to hinder the progression to this nirvanatic condition, by imposing an incalculable number of rules and regulations to thwart freedom in relations and businesses, and seems to be ready to unleash death and destruction to hinder it further. This is somewhat of a shame, but I don't think they will be any more able to resist advance than all the previous systems.

The fear is that capitalists will invest in all these robots and economies-of-scale so they can produce products for no one, because no one is employed.

Makes a lot of sense.  Roll Eyes

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May 17, 2015, 05:25:39 PM
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Superdosing on vitamin D can be a big mistake for some individuals. First of all, most doctors only test for the OH25 metabolite, when you need to know your 1,25 metabolite as well which is the active one, you need your PTH and calcium levels too as well as k2 and prolactin.
You can block for vitamin D receptor if you take more vitamin D than needed.
This. Megadosing with vitamin D is just another trend, just like megadosing with fish oil was another silly trend.


You need labs before considering megadosing, since it can be harmful. One of the few vitamins you can megadose on is k2 since it doesnt get stored and most people have a deficiency.

Look I am suffering from Multiple Sclerosis. I tried all sorts of remedies since 2012. The only remedy which put my M.S. into remission in 2012 and 2013 was high dose vitamin D3. In both instances, I stopped the treatment due to fear of permanent renal damage. As of March 2015, I became desperate because my condition was progressively deteriorating and worse yet I couldn't get any serious work done and my life and opportunities were slipping away from me.

Since the end of March, I have been taking daily doses of vitamin D3 that average greater than 30,000 IU per day. I have also been drinking about 2 - 3L of water per day to flush out my kidneys (and urinating like a sieve), "B Natural" co-enzymated B complex occasionally, Kelp tablets daily for iodine, and dark leafy greens equivalent to spinach daily (as well as any other foods I like).

This treatment has given me the energy to program up to 18 hours per day and release a new social network. It appears to have lowered my EDSS symptoms index from roughly 5 to roughly 3.

The Brazilian neurologist (graduated and interned in the USA) claims to have cured 95% of the 2500+ autoimmunity (mostly Multiple Sclerosis) patients he has treated over the past 15 years or so, by employing this high dose vitamin D3 treatment. Note he requires the patient to see a doctor who has been trained on this protocol. I unfortunately can't afford the expense and time lost to see one of his apprentices. So I am winging it and not thrilled about that. Hopefully I can soon have enough money and free time to get professional oversight.

For those who have been private messaging me with concerns and/or questions, I will try one more time to give links to some of the information I researched, but I don't have time to do an exhaustive redump of the thread that got deleted from the this forum.

I was approaching 3.5 - 5.0 EDSS, so you can see why it makes sense that my work performance was faltering (and noting that programming is much more intense mental work than other jobs, e.g. I had no problem with forum posting but the M.S. made it very difficult to program regularly):



Here is the link to the page where you can dig for the all videos and other information from the Brazilian neurologist:

http://www.vitamindwiki.com/Multiple+Sclerosis

http://www.vitamindwiki.com/1000+IU+per+kg+Vitamin+D+for+autoimmune+diseases+%E2%80%93+Coimbra+Aug+2013

http://www.vitamindwiki.com/Video+by+Dr.+Coimbra+%E2%80%93+95+percent+of+auto-immune+cured+with+vitamin+D+in+high+doses+-+April+2014


Now I have something very important to share.

Vitamin D3 was not the total cure until I added the co-enzymated B complex

I was much improved on the high dose vitamin D3 but I was still getting
milder relapses. I added the "B Healthy" brand co-enzymated B complex
(regular B complex is toxic!!) with every meal about 4 - 5X per day; and I
can't believe how strong I am. I just want to go, go, go, go same as I
always was in my youth!

Today I worked out so hard in the gym, the 20 year old guys could not keep up with me. Literally! That is my former self. I did not achieve this level of energy with the high dose vitamin D3 alone. It was not until I added the Methylation Cycle supplements that I really burst out into this amazing feeling of good health. It is 1.22am here, and I just returned from a night of disco dancing with someone less than half my age. This is after a very hard gym workout in the afternoon. Amazing.


http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Methylation_Cycle#The_Methylation_Cycle_-_which_supplements_to_take_to_support



http://www.ultralaboratories.com/emeraldlabs/B-Healthy/index.php

http://www.vitacost.com/emerald-labs-coenzymated-b-healthy-60-vegetable-capsules-1


http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-118096-emerald-labs-b-healthy-raw-whole-food-based-formula-60-vegetarian-capsules

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May 19, 2015, 10:44:55 AM
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No comments on my piece? I think it was good  Embarrassed
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No comments on my piece? I think it was good  Embarrassed

I think so too.

There is enormous dysfuntion, the mafias have basically taken all of the technology advantages of my generation, and some more. We should have the choice by now, to double or quadruple our living standard or reducing work correspondingly.

Say yes to freedom, say no to the mafia. They don't have the power if you don't give it to them. See through their lies and think for yourself. Use the global blue market. Say no to fiat.

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the problem I see is that tptb are trying hard to capture the technology to enslave the masses (and gradually eliminate all competition to their power via socialism), the longer socialism is dragged out the more this becomes possible, at this stage of the game it is check mate for the masses, there's still hope for others to live within the socialist system undetected.

we are at the stage: they don't like what you say - they disable your youtube/whatever.

Next with the elimination of cash: they can cut off your funds and starve you & turn off your home electricity.

this happens to those on the outside of the heard, those in the middle of the heard are safe & don't hear about this happening. (They're homegrown terrorists and deserve it)

The death of socialism + gradual technological unemployment is what we face which makes this scary (Socialism will not just fade away, the masses will cling to it and try to drag everyone else down with it)
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I will deal with the NWO. Just wait a few months. I am going to kick Larry Summer's and Bitcoin's monetary asses. You wanted the solution and you will get it. Make sure you show up. It won't have my name on it. You had better be paying attention to the Alt coin forum.

For those who wanted final confirmation...my Multiple Sclerosis is basically cured. I had an epic gym workout tonight that put a grin on my face from ear-to-ear. At the end of my very strong 1 hour (non-stop, heavy weight, low reps) barbel workout, I did 8 rounds of boxing. There was filipino guy in the ring tonight who was a physical specimen. He was taller than me, slimmer in this hips and lower body, yet stronger and bigger than me in his upper body with longer arms. Young guy. Very impressive, powerful, and quick. I am pushing 50 and not yet back to top athletic condition but making big strides and starting to get to the point where you wouldn't want to mess with me. Any way, I competed the guy and made a very strong showing. He bested me in the latter rounds due to my inferior conditioning. His punches were heavier (more power) but mine had more snap, zip, and sting. I was particularly thrilled that I was able to dig down deep for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th winds and explosive energy. I haven't had that Eveready Battery that I used to have. It is back. I hope to see this guy again. I want to reach my top form. My muscular build is only about 50 - 60% of where it will be soon now that I can push 110% in athletics. I think I can get my upper body near in size/muscularity to his and I expect my punches are not yet at their maximum potential (although they say boxers should not lift weights).

I am so grateful to have this abatement or cure. I am back to loving life again.

Multiple Sclerosis is a horrible malaise. It robs every thing that you enjoyed about life. It was a miserable existence. I can't express enough the relief and joy I feel.

I hope the two guys I know on this forum who were suffering from M.S. can get cured too by adopting the treatment regimen what I wrote about in my prior post. Note I have been able to lower my vitamin D3 to 20,000 - 30,000 IU daily. The "B Healthy" several times per day was the key addition to the treatment regimen.



That rings true with what was going on in my gut. The cure originating there. It was the probiotics perhaps in the B Healthy co-enzymated B complex that really kicked me to a new level of abatement.

Remember it was after the intense antibiotic treatment for the h.pylori in May 2012 that my M.S. went bezerk.


> Eighty percent of the human immune system resides in the gastrointestinal
> tract...
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-multiple-sclerosis-begin-in-the-gut/
>
> Here's the 43 year old patient cured with MS via fecal transplants,
> http://thepowerofpoop.com/carloss-story/
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR33CSPNcqk
> In the youtube clip his neurologist Perlmutter provides this summary in
> the description section -
> Published on Feb 16, 2015Carlos, forty-three, came to see me in June 2014.
> He needed a cane to stand and had episodes of feeling as if his legs
> wouldn’t work and that he could lose his balance easily. When I asked him
> about his medical history, he told me about one morning back in 1998 when
> he woke up feeling “drunk and dizzy.” When we went to see a neurologist,
> an MRI scan of his brain was performed, but the results came back as
> normal. Carlos remained unsteady for the next two weeks and then began to
> feel better. Two weeks after that, while exercising he felt as if ants
> were crawling down his back. His vision blurred and, hoping to find
> another opinion about his symptoms, he went to see a naturopath. That’s
> when he began taking various nutritional supplements and indeed he felt a
> little better thereafter.
>
> Three years later he had the sudden onset of “numbness in both legs from
> the waist down.” Again he was given a new round of nutritional supplements
> and after three more months, he felt somewhat improved. Two years later he
> had another episode and this similarly resolved itself with more
> supplements. In 2010, however, he began noticing a progressive decline in
> his balance and, despite various nutritional supplements, his
> deterioration continued—rapidly. By 2014, Carlos went through more tests
> with a neurologist, including another MRI scan of his brain. And this
> time, his results revealed aggressive abnormalities, especially in the
> deep white matter of his brain seen in both hemispheres and even in the
> brainstem. These findings, in addition to abnormalities noted in an MRI of
> his cervical spine, a lumbar puncture, and electrical testing results, all
> pointed to a diagnosis of multiple sclerosis.
>
> I explained to Carlos that we now understand the role of gut bacteria in
> modulating the immune system, and that recent animal research clearly had
> identified changes in gut bacteria as possibly playing an important role
> in this disease. I then offered a plan of action, telling him that I
> wanted to start a program of probiotic enemas. He agreed without
> hesitation, administering probiotic-filled enemas two to three times each
> week. Two weeks later, I received a phone call from him. He indicated that
> he was walking more comfortably and had now gone for days without the use
> of a cane! One month later we spoke on the phone again. He was continuing
> his probiotic enemas three times weekly and felt that he had “stabilized.”
>
> At that point I discussed with him the idea of rebuilding a healthy gut
> population through a revolutionary new procedure called fecal microbial
> transplantation, or FMT, and he agreed to do so (it’s currently not
> available in the U.S. for treating MS). He chose a clinic in England where
> the procedure is routinely performed on an array of immune and
> inflammatory problems. Before he left, I asked Carlos to carefully
> chronicle his experience in a journal and report back to me.
>
> One month after Carlos returned from England we again spoke on the phone.
> He reported that after his second treatment with fecal transplantation (he
> received a total of 10) he noted that his walking was dramatically
> improved and that it remained that way. He told me, “I am walking so well
> that other people don’t know there is anything wrong.”

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May 20, 2015, 04:55:29 PM
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It won't have my name on it. You had better be paying attention to the Alt coin forum.
meaning you won't publically endorse it or meaning anonymous? If the later it will be really exciting to see if you can pull it off as you have a very distinct writing style. Or did you also have an epiphany on how to defeat writing style analysis and such?
good luck and big waves so that everybody here might find it. I for one preemtively welcome everybody to post their most likely candidate as I follow the alt section very sporadically
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It won't have my name on it. You had better be paying attention to the Alt coin forum.
meaning you won't publically endorse it or meaning anonymous? If the later it will be really exciting to see if you can pull it off as you have a very distinct writing style. Or did you also have an epiphany on how to defeat writing style analysis and such?
good luck and big waves so that everybody here might find it. I for one preemtively welcome everybody to post their most likely candidate as I follow the alt section very sporadically

If I wanted to be more anonymous, I shouldn't do the public writing. My coding style is not well known.

Plausible deniability is not anonymity any way.

I wrote only, "my name will not be on it".

And yes I am determined to do something now because nobody else will. And because I am healthy enough now. And because I have a design that solves the issues. And because it will be lucrative for all of us while also making some others eat their words. So many motivations.

Sure I encourage you to post candidates here. I wouldn't expect anything for a few months at least.

If I go quiet, that is a good sign.

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May 20, 2015, 11:59:03 PM
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this is good great news  Smiley
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May 26, 2015, 03:05:12 AM
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few bullet points from an insider:

http://delphicoracle.weebly.com/cobra-conference-part-5.html

"between 'lives' we all have a great laugh about the parts we have performed in the 'play', and look forward to and have great fun preparing the next chapters to act out."
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May 26, 2015, 03:25:35 AM
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This has been one of my most interesting reads in awhile. Thank you.
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This has been one of my most interesting reads in awhile. Thank you.

A rational person does not waste his time on fantastical prose that is entirely lacking of any substantiation and fails Occam's Razor. In the 1-in-a-billion chance that the above linked text was information, I will take my chances on ignoring it. Following 1-in-a-billion forks in the road can lead to a lost life.

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This has been one of my most interesting reads in awhile. Thank you.

A rational person does not waste his time on fantastical prose that is entirely lacking of any substantiation and fails Occam's Razor. In the 1-in-a-billion chance that the above linked text was information, I will take my chances on ignoring it. Following 1-in-a-billion forks in the road can lead to a lost life.

At least to me, behind the material fantasy lies a positive reflection of a global consciousness that I like resonating with. Magick tricks, if you will.
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No comments on my piece? I think it was good  Embarrassed

If you mean the one the following excerpt is taken from, then yes: it was good, very good.

I posit that the state is currently consuming most of the resources that could be used for production of services, for their myopic attempts of maintaining "full employment" by employing people in sectors that don't produce anything of value (or even negative value) - in the west the main ones are government bureaucracy, "welfare", "education", "healthcare" and war industry. If we got rid of these, up to 80% of the people would not need to work, yet the production would increase as the monopolies, regulations, etc. would be dissolved. The rich and the knowledgeable would get richer and enjoy life much more, but also the vast majority would see their living standard and especially quality of life improved greatly, after a transition period of course (it is not realistic to assume that a change of this magnitude could happen instantly and learnign to live in freedom will certainly be an inconvenient or even painful experience to many who are not used to it).

Some random thoughts:

We are running into a psychological issue here: people are so used to thinking everyone needs to work 40 hours/week. It's really hard to overcome this. I'm trying to work less (goal for my day-job: 26 hours/week), but even though I'm one of 2 bosses and can basically choose my hours I'm feeling pressure. All kinds of pressure and from all kinds of people: customers, colleagues, friends, myself (guilty conscience).

We're brainwashed to think that we need to work our asses off for society, family or whatever. It's such bullcrap: If everyone looks out for himself first, everyone is better off. If we could only stop helping others and harming ourselves all the time and instead help ourselves, we'd all be better off in aggregate: "first pull oxygen mask over mouth and breathe normally, then help others"

Suggesting that people work too much in general and that it's not even necessary or even detrimental for production or - lo and behold - even suggesting some sort of basic income scheme or negative income tax is a taboo for many ("noone will work"). Even those agreeing to the sentiment rationally would probably still have huge problems living it.

Well, I guess the following could work:

  • separate money and state
  • watch uneccessary crap (regulatory burdens, bureaucracy, monopolies, subsidies, misallocations of capital,...) dissolve
  • work less in more efficient free market capitalism

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