mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it!

[nanaimogold]

Any of you kids ever been subject to a gag order or threatened with obstruction of justice charges?

[wb3]

Any of you kids ever been subject to a gag order or threatened with obstruction of justice charges?

My thoughts exactly, especially considering recent events. Server and all, bummer for MtGox if that is what happened.

They get serious these days, especially with those amounts.  Anonymity matters.

Personally, I just want to do a little gambling in private. Don't think they care about my $20 bucks.  But if I win a progressive for $1 Million, I want to move to Switzerland before I get taxed. 

[TheKoziTwo]

My liberty reserve history:
01/07/2011 02:12    52722343       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $28,616.00    $0.00    $0.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding
01/07/2011 02:12    52722317       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $30,000.00    $0.00    $28,616.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding
01/07/2011 01:51    52721818       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $16,000.00    $0.00    $58,616.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding

If you are not a liar, why is it impossible for you to also prove the 9000 BTC for 3000$ LR transactions using LR transaction logs?

[theGECK]

If you have a mute disorder, there are TTY services that have been put into place over the last 50 years to allow those who can't talk to communicate over the phone with those who can. Even pay phones have this feature. Alternatively, there is Skype video chat and holding a notepad up to the webcam to communicate. Or Google video chat.

[ribuck]

If you have a mute disorder, there are TTY services ...

If baron really has engaged a lawyer as he claims, the lawyer will want to be the one doing the talking. I doubt baron has engaged a mute lawyer.

Even if baron hasn't engaged a lawyer, he surely has a friend or family member who could help him to speak with Jed.

[Baron]

I not going to discuss any more, because it's pointless.

I will post overview and what action I am gonna to take very soon.




I have few new facts:
1.I think mtgox.com use another nick in this forum too. ( nick mtgox is posted only 184 post at all, so since he is Hero in here and creator of bitcoin and he must take part in this forum life. it's possible that he uses another nick too ). It may be somone who trying to shut up me.

2.I think mtgox.com is runing Ponzi scheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme). That's why he accept depositing in any amounts,but withdrawing limited to 1000USD/day only, by saying something like "to apply with USA requirements" or something like that ( I don't remember exactly ). But what fucking USA requirements, if he don't work with USA Government, he runs black business. He don't have any license (witch is required to apply with USA law if you provide payments or trade services). He acts like criminal. He can be "Bernard Madoff" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff) number 2.


3.I think mtgox.com manipulate marketplace for its own benefits(so probaly he is making good money from all you). Yes he can.because there is no one who monitoring him ( he don't doing this with his Government knew).

4.Every normal citizen must report to police about if he see criminal. If he don't, then he can go to jail too.


As I said I not going to discuss about this, I just saying what I think.




ShadowOfHarbringer: you fucking idiot or you are kid. no one force you to read this thread, You posting your stupid posts for fun only. I am not nigerian, nigerians selling black money to stupid peoples.  So go away and stop flooding this thread.

[BitterTea]

I have few new facts:

Translation: "I have a few new wild allegations for which I offer no evidence".

[eMansipater]

stop flooding this thread.

lol

[genjix]

haha this gets more ridiculous by the minute.

[Anonymous]

2.I think mtgox.com is runing Ponzi scheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme). That's why he accept depositing in any amounts,but withdrawing limited to 1000USD/day only, by saying something like "to apply with USA requirements" or something like that ( I don't remember exactly ). But what fucking USA requirements, if he don't work with USA Government, he runs black business. He don't have any license (witch is required to apply with USA law if you provide payments or trade services).

I think I am going to die of this laughter.

[eMansipater]

4.Every normal citizen must report to police about if he see criminal. If he don't, then he can go to jail too.

This is the ultimate character attack allegation:  I'm a criminal, and you didn't report me!

[wb3]

2.I think mtgox.com is runing Ponzi scheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme). That's why he accept depositing in any amounts,but withdrawing limited to 1000USD/day only, by saying something like "to apply with USA requirements" or something like that ( I don't remember exactly ). But what fucking USA requirements, if he don't work with USA Government, he runs black business. He don't have any license (witch is required to apply with USA law if you provide payments or trade services).

I think I am going to die of this laughter.

He makes a point, but I will take up for MtGox. (scantily)  MtGox is a broker, an yea some laws apply since he chose to conduct the service in the U.S. at the time of said transaction.  However, if MtGox had a TOS that covered this event, and said that accounts would be frozen, until it is worked out, and evidence acquired, Baron would effectively be SOL since he is obviously in another country.

Now the straight dope, there is consideration here. These Anonymous trades will be considered illegal in the U.S. Even Switzerland requires that an anonymous person show that the money going into a secret account is legitimate and from a proper source of revenue (even though they have to prove it to a select few) Most of us can't afford that service.

The next way to look at these BitCoins is to rename them BitCoin Bearer Bonds. Still illegal in the U.S. if issued after 1982. The physical Bearer Bond would be your .dat file even including transaction amounts (cool).

The actual currency exchange won't fly, how ever, a company registered in Guatemala Corporation can still legally issue Corporate Bear Bonds with anonymity. This would be an option for a serious investor in BitCoins because it could cost upwards of $500,000 dollars to set one up.

The other "smart way" is don't sell the BitCoins for USD, sell some stupid PDF Books (copyright the book, <--that is just to funny) that costs $1.00, the customer could buy 1 book or 10,000 books.  Deliver the Books, to the supplied address, which would be just 1 pdf but with 10,000 user rights(to fight charge backs because charge backs suck right, but not if you show good faith, and especially if your pay portal can tell if it is a debit card and not a credit card) Now you are not selling the BitCoins you are selling the Books, but since he was a good customer, as consolation prize you give them 10,000 BitCoins (which are technically worthless, but the books aren't, you even copyrighted them) Keep logs on the customers, the supplied information should match the C/C info. Now for stolen cards it won't but you showed good faith as to not hurt your charge back ratio and the card will/or should get declined.  No for people just protecting anonymity for whatever reason (mistress, bad habit, gambling, porno, etc...) Go buy a pre-paid under John Doe at 123 Sesame St, Canton, Ohio or what ever and use that info when registering with the exchange so Name/ Address, etc... will match.

Now you are protecting anonymity while trying to eliminate illegal behavior. You are a good net citizen. It is not the Xchanges fault the customer lied when purchasing the prepaid (you had no control over that).

The downside, now that you are operating just a hair on the right side of the fence, the business and its owner won't have anonymity, so if a dissatisfied customer thinks his money is more important than his anonymity, he a will be coming for ya !!!  Which you could argue that you did give him the book with the rights to the judge ( but you know what is really going on, so expect to be swimming with the fishes)


Didn't ya ever buy a Scalped Sports Ticket with a funny shaped paper clip on it. ( You didn't buy the ticket, you bought the paper clip, the ticket was a consolation prize)

The same thing is happening "legally" right now when people are giving you bitCoins for clicking their ads, and taking surveys, and buying items through someone's Amazon store,  just at a lessor amount.  Even Google Adsense and Amazon are getting in on the action.

I would personally recommend that you stay away from large transactions at least until the BitCoin takes off, because if you sell $45,000 dollars worth of BitCoins and the customer can't use it anywhere, you just pissed someone really off. Stay < under $100

[Binford 6100]

i do not understand your need to voice your opinions in this thread.
too much pressure made this thread to a diamond, reflecting each opinion to many directions,
flashing lights, throwing shadows, or maybe it's just a brick of coal

on what facts do you base your judgmement? how do you support your accusations?
who else than baron and mtgox know what's going on?
sofar there is an exchange operator claiming being a victim of a skilled hax0r and that the trails lead to a user.
a forum member claiming having funds frozen by an exchange operator and proclaiming being legit owner of the funds. we know shit about the truth yet we choose sides, give each other different names without knowing the truth.
would you post your hi-res id scans online? you know they are 10$ a piece online elsewhere?

instead of watching the two sort things out and giving them space, you started flamed discussions how this could have been prevented, who is right, who's wrong and who should have done this or that.
interesting. you managed to populate this thread with so much balast the the few entries from the two person most involved are simply burried and must be searched for.

sincerely, your troll

[wb3]

Yeah, Ok, I won't post another message in this post, Unless ShadowofHarbinger accuses me of being Baron, again !!!!


Deal,


 I just would like to really see this system work, because as of now only the super rich get to keep the anonymity. But in order for it to work, this problem should have already been worked out.  


Regards,

The WB

[joe]

2.I think mtgox.com is runing Ponzi scheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme). That's why he accept depositing in any amounts,but withdrawing limited to 1000USD/day only, by saying something like "to apply with USA requirements" or something like that ( I don't remember exactly ). But what fucking USA requirements, if he don't work with USA Government, he runs black business. He don't have any license (witch is required to apply with USA law if you provide payments or trade services).

I think I am going to die of this laughter.

He makes a point, but I will take up for MtGox. (scantily)  MtGox is a broker, an yea some laws apply since he chose to conduct the service in the U.S. at the time of said transaction. ...

Is a law really a law if you can see into the future and know it will be declared unconstitutional in 10, 20, 100 years? All of these gay laws are unconstitutional under the 4th amendment (search and seizure aka privacy) and the enumeration of powers article.

Anyways, I do not think mt gox is freezing the funds just to obey the law. Because they are already breaking the law by not collecting and verifying names and addresses of every customer.

[FreeMoney]

2.I think mtgox.com is runing Ponzi scheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme). That's why he accept depositing in any amounts,but withdrawing limited to 1000USD/day only, by saying something like "to apply with USA requirements" or something like that ( I don't remember exactly ). But what fucking USA requirements, if he don't work with USA Government, he runs black business. He don't have any license (witch is required to apply with USA law if you provide payments or trade services).

I think I am going to die of this laughter.

He makes a point, but I will take up for MtGox. (scantily)  MtGox is a broker, an yea some laws apply since he chose to conduct the service in the U.S. at the time of said transaction. ...

Is a law really a law if you can see into the future and know it will be declared unconstitutional in 10, 20, 100 years? All of these gay laws are unconstitutional under the 4th amendment (search and seizure aka privacy) and the enumeration of powers article.

Anyways, I do not think mt gox is freezing the funds just to obey the law. Because they are already breaking the law by not collecting and verifying names and addresses of every customer.

What if a law is constitutional, but I can see into the future that eventually people will realize that I'm not bound by a document that I didn't sign and don't approve of? 

Maybe dead people's opinions aren't a good reason to do violence to me.

[joe]

2.I think mtgox.com is runing Ponzi scheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme). That's why he accept depositing in any amounts,but withdrawing limited to 1000USD/day only, by saying something like "to apply with USA requirements" or something like that ( I don't remember exactly ). But what fucking USA requirements, if he don't work with USA Government, he runs black business. He don't have any license (witch is required to apply with USA law if you provide payments or trade services).

I think I am going to die of this laughter.

He makes a point, but I will take up for MtGox. (scantily)  MtGox is a broker, an yea some laws apply since he chose to conduct the service in the U.S. at the time of said transaction. ...

Is a law really a law if you can see into the future and know it will be declared unconstitutional in 10, 20, 100 years? All of these gay laws are unconstitutional under the 4th amendment (search and seizure aka privacy) and the enumeration of powers article.

Anyways, I do not think mt gox is freezing the funds just to obey the law. Because they are already breaking the law by not collecting and verifying names and addresses of every customer.

What if a law is constitutional, but I can see into the future that eventually people will realize that I'm not bound by a document that I didn't sign and don't approve of? 

Maybe dead people's opinions aren't a good reason to do violence to me.

The goal behind the constitution was that it would be self-evident that it forms the right government. It clearly had flaws; the proof is found by looking at the current state of government.

We can truthfully say that, looking at the set of all documents that a person could sit down and write, there exists one document that describes a self-evident (known to be correct) government. If we had this document, it wouldn't matter if dead people wrote it 250 years ago.

[error]

We can truthfully say that, looking at the set of all documents that a person could sit down and write, there exists one document that describes a self-evident (known to be correct) government. If we had this document, it wouldn't matter if dead people wrote it 250 years ago.

Such a document might exist in the future, were someone to write it. But I've never seen or even heard of a document matching this description.

[carp]

2.I think mtgox.com is runing Ponzi scheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme). That's why he accept depositing in any amounts,but withdrawing limited to 1000USD/day only, by saying something like "to apply with USA requirements" or something like that ( I don't remember exactly ). But what fucking USA requirements, if he don't work with USA Government, he runs black business. He don't have any license (witch is required to apply with USA law if you provide payments or trade services).

I think I am going to die of this laughter.

He makes a point, but I will take up for MtGox. (scantily)  MtGox is a broker, an yea some laws apply since he chose to conduct the service in the U.S. at the time of said transaction. ...

Is a law really a law if you can see into the future and know it will be declared unconstitutional in 10, 20, 100 years? All of these gay laws are unconstitutional under the 4th amendment (search and seizure aka privacy) and the enumeration of powers article.

Anyways, I do not think mt gox is freezing the funds just to obey the law. Because they are already breaking the law by not collecting and verifying names and addresses of every customer.

The arguments that I have heard against the anti-gay laws apply to nearly anything that a government does. Nobody could have forseen the way society sees gay people changing (or at least, the right segments of it) to bring about the change in viewpoint, which allowed the laws to be interpreted in that way.

The future is seldom terribly certain.

[Drifter]

Anyways, I do not think mt gox is freezing the funds just to obey the law. Because they are already breaking the law by not collecting and verifying names and addresses of every customer.

My guess is that Mt. Gox only transfers up to $1,000 a day, to stay under the limit in which you are considered a Money Services Business. If you transfer more than 1,000 per day to a single individual, you must register but until then, no  registration is necessary and KYC rules do not apply(as far as my understanding goes)

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=158384,00.html