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[sunny1]

The most of us are persons who are in finacial difficulties and who, at a despair moment, naively we trust in a malicious group.

Then why the hell are you promoting yet another malicious group preying on naive users with your signature?

I am warning for all that Eso is very similar to BT; seems like a carbon copy, just take a look.
Moreover I am telling that it can be from the same owner.
And I have a strategy, to withdrawal the money before the site brake.

I have no doubt that is the same scam ! That is not all, I think the same scammers run this, they did not even change much.

I agree with you pawlo74. That's why I contacted them a few days back and got almost the same canned answer to a question I asked BT a few months back.

[Centaurus]

The most of us are persons who are in finacial difficulties and who, at a despair moment, naively we trust in a malicious group.

Then why the hell are you promoting yet another malicious group preying on naive users with your signature?

I am warning for all that Eso is very similar to BT; seems like a carbon copy, just take a look.
Moreover I am telling that it can be from the same owner.
And I have a strategy, to withdrawal the money before the site brake.

lol, what a contradiction to warn people about Eso and at the same time promoting them to suck in some ref commission. I call you a hypocrite!

I call you a stupid!
It's no promotion, since I sucefully have zero referrals.
It's very stupidity of you thinking that anyone will be deceived 2 times by the same type of ponzi.

[Centaurus]

@sunny1; honoring your stupidity I am adding the term "ATENTION"

[alani123]

Can you guys take your fighting somewhere else? You're making the much needed discussion about the lost funds and tracking BT owners harder.

Thanks.

[sunny1]

The most of us are persons who are in finacial difficulties and who, at a despair moment, naively we trust in a malicious group.

Then why the hell are you promoting yet another malicious group preying on naive users with your signature?

I am warning for all that Eso is very similar to BT; seems like a carbon copy, just take a look.
Moreover I am telling that it can be from the same owner.
And I have a strategy, to withdrawal the money before the site brake.

lol, what a contradiction to warn people about Eso and at the same time promoting them to suck in some ref commission. I call you a hypocrite!

I call you a stupid!
It's no promotion, since I sucefully have zero referrals.
It's very stupidity of you thinking that anyone will be deceived 2 times by the same type of ponzi.

lol call me whatever you like dude -- still you are the one with a referral link of Eso in your sig.

[Centaurus]

Can you guys take your fighting somewhere else? You're making the much needed discussion about the lost funds and tracking BT owners harder.

Thanks.

Thanks alani123 I am stopping

[pawlo74]

I found this tread so I was almost sure that's ponzi but after I found also this on Google +






https://i.imgur.com/fBNXu2f.png?1


Look how shameless and clever they are !

[btloser]

Hi all

I'm another loser on BT - $1280. If you could add me to the list it would be much appreciated.

An interesting observation - I tried to unsubscribe to the newsletter using the link in the original the sign-up email it took me to

http://email.bitcoin-trader.biz/ which is actually http://www.mailgun.com/ so it would appear Mr Carley had an account there... they are in the San Francisco.

I guess we will all at some point be asked to provide proof of what was lost - lucky for me I took screenshots - has everyone else done the same?

Thanks

[pawlo74]

Hi all
[...]
I guess we will all at some point be asked to provide proof of what was lost - lucky for me I took screenshots - has everyone else done the same?

Hi btloser I like your nick 
Yes, as I said before I was aware BT might be scam so I took loads of screenshots.

[Dingaantouwtje]

Might seem obvious, but: if anyone could try to call some people from this list? BT probably contacted them for the whole representative-thing. Maybe they have the intel we need to find the mfs.

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Phone:+48 60 942 92 36
Skype:janusz.kaminski74
Languages:Polish
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=elf23
PortugalLocal Representatives Portugal

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Skype:angelo.martins999
Languages:Portuguese, English, Italian
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RomaniaLocal Representatives Romania

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Skype:stefan.patatu
Languages:Romanian, English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=futz
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Last Name:Ilyasov
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Phone:+7 9123 63 56 29
Skype:ilyasov_alim.mail.ru
Languages:Russian
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=alim
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Skype:info_12leads
Languages:Russian, English
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Phone:+221 77 613 1254
Skype:Fayegore
Languages:French, Wolof
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=ebuscenter
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Languages:Serbian, English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=mucalov
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Skype:s.glavaski
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Phone:+65 8318 2900
Skype:danielsim81
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Last Name:Kapelus
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Phone:+27 72 974 9364
Skype:jkapelus
Languages:English, Afrikaans
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=jkapelus
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Last Name:Kola
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Phone:+27 82 561 4455
Skype:harounkola
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=harounkola
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Email:doug@hoseck.com
Phone:+27 84 801 4306
Skype:farseer1
Languages:English, Afrikaans
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=farseer
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Last Name:du Plessis
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Phone:+27 72 699 4832
Skype:cyber647
Languages:English, Afrikaans
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=chdp32
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Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=cuetoon
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Phone:+82 10 8009 0203
Skype:jleefly
Languages:Korean, English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=jleefly
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Phone:+94 72 7876543
Skype:mass.milhan.sadar
Languages:English, Sinhalese
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=BTC786
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Last Name:Samman
Email:manzilsammaan@gmail.com
Skype:mgdonline
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=msamman
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Phone:+34 650 926 194
Skype:telefonojc
Languages:Spanish, Catalan
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=jcperez
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Last Name:Andersson
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Skype:matsrg
Languages:Swedish, English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=matsrg
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City/Region:London, Greater London
First Name:Simon
Name:Johansson
Email:hq@championtraderacademy.com
Skype:megawealth
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=tycoondude
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First Name:Jo
Name:Macdonald
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Phone:+44 7970 448818
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Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=dynamic
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First Name:Patrick
Name:Cantelmi
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Skype:patrick.cantelmi123@gmail.com
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=pacman357
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First Name:Kade
Name:Morrow
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Phone:+1 231 222-2193
Skype:kademorrow@hotmail.com
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=Kroenen
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First Name:Alfred
Name:Gaiani
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Phone:+1 330 323-1769
Skype:13303231769
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=algwrg
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First Name:Adam
Name:Marzello
Email:AMarzello@gmail.com
Phone:+1 414 460-2552
Skype:Maddroxide
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=thettrix
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First Name:Charles
Name:Struthers
Email:chstruthers@yahoo.com
Skype:Charles.btc
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=chstruthers
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First Name:Mark
Name:Ryan
Email:markalanryan@hotmail.com
Phone:+1 361 935-4078
Skype:Mark Ryan
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=markalanryan
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First Name:Kelby
Name:Imel
Email:kelby_vise_70@me.com
Skype:kelby_vise_70
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=kelbyvise70
City/Region:Rio Rancho, New Mexico
First Name:Kipp
Name:Watson
Email:Kipp.Watson@gmail.com
Phone:+1 505 896-9450
Skype:kippwatson
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=SwapperMall
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First Name:Mark
Name:Meredith
Email:my_free_satellite_tv@yahoo.com
Phone:+1 907 253-3911
Skype:sha1olin
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=Sha1Olin
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First Name:Daniel
Name:Conover
Email:conover88@gmail.com
Phone:+1 425 260-5289
Skype:conover88@gmail.com
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=Conover88
City/Region:Orlando, Florida
First Name:Ben
Name:Burket
Email:joetourney@gmail.com
Phone:+1 386 679-7734
Skype:cam_renyolds
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=joetourney1
City/Region:Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
First Name:Jeffrey
Name:Bennett
Email:endymionjkb@gmail.com
Phone:+1 412 400-0394
Skype:EndymionJkb
Languages:English, German
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=FeuerFrei
City/Region:Brockton, Massachusetts
First Name:Tamagnine
Name:Dos Santos
Email:tamagninedossantos1983@gmail.com
Phone:+1 774 240-0423
Languages:Portuguese, Spanish, English, Creole
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=tamagnine1
ZimbabweLocal Representatives Zimbabwe

City/Region:Bulawayo
First Name:Charles
Last Name:Chindove
Email:cchindove@gmail.com
Phone:+64 22 370661
Skype:chazaimpex12
Languages:English
Referral link:https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=cchindove

[alani123]

I'm not entirely sure, but those "local representatives" shouldn't be nothing more than just special affiliates. It's a common tactic among ponzis to offer people around the world advantages like a bigger % in earnings from referrals so even more people get lured into the scam. So unless I'm mistaken those people (or at least most of those people) should just be innocent individuals.

[fingertoe11]

I'm not entirely sure, but those "local representatives" shouldn't be nothing more than just special affiliates. It's a common tactic among ponzis to offer people around the world advantages like a bigger % in earnings from referrals so even more people get lured into the scam. So unless I'm mistaken those people (or at least most of those people) should just be innocent individuals.

What may be more beneficial is to figure out which local reps where on the original versions of the website..  Unfortunately the wayback machine only has a recent copy..

[LDeneault]

It would be an interesting thing to see how many people who got ripped off by the obvious Bitcoin Trader Ponzi also made fun in the past of the folks who got ripped off by the equally-obvious Ponzi of Butterfly Labs.

I narrowly escaped getting ripped off by BFL and swore then that I'd never invest a single cent in anything related to cryptocurrency.  I wonder how many Bitcoin Trader marks will come to the same conclusion?

[Keyser Soze]

It would be an interesting thing to see how many people who got ripped off by the obvious Bitcoin Trader Ponzi also made fun in the past of the folks who got ripped off by the equally-obvious Ponzi of Butterfly Labs.

I narrowly escaped getting ripped off by BFL and swore then that I'd never invest a single cent in anything related to cryptocurrency.  I wonder how many Bitcoin Trader marks will come to the same conclusion?

BFL isn't/wasn't a ponzi and has nothing to do with BT, not sure why you make that comparison.

[LDeneault]

BFL isn't/wasn't a ponzi and has nothing to do with BT, not sure why you make that comparison.

When BFL first opened up their Monarch refunds, the reason that they publicly gave for why there was a sixty-day delay on refunds is because they had to sell your place in line to another customer.  Using a later customer's money to fund the payout of an earlier customer is practically the definition of a Ponzi scheme.  That's why I made the comparison.

[tmfp]

It would be an interesting thing to see how many people who got ripped off by the obvious Bitcoin Trader Ponzi also made fun in the past of the folks who got ripped off by the equally-obvious Ponzi of Butterfly Labs.

From what I can make out, most BT 'investors' wouldn't know a Monarch from the Queen of England.
The Bitcoin Connection was cleverly used by the scammers to appeal to a certain demographic of wannabe coiners (like myself), who could convince themselves that the ROI was quite achievable because Bitcoin is fucking magic. Everybody could 'see' how easy arbitrage is lol.
It was slick and easy to understand, just the sort of thing to name drop at the mocha bar or family gathering (wow, look at the referral % too!) and it worked spectacularly well.
It's being written up as a Bitcoin Scam. It wasn't. It was a fiat scam using the magic word as bait.

[Keyser Soze]

When BFL first opened up their Monarch refunds, the reason that they publicly gave for why there was a sixty-day delay on refunds is because they had to sell your place in line to another customer.  Using a later customer's money to fund the payout of an earlier customer is practically the definition of a Ponzi scheme.  That's why I made the comparison.

A company not providing or delaying refunds doesn't make them a ponzi, no matter the reason they state. More then likely their refund policy's objective was to deter people from requesting refunds. Remember, the people buying Monarchs were buying a pre-order for a piece of equipment, not an "investment" that provided returns similar BT or any ponzi scheme.

BFL is at best a mismanaged company and at worst a total scam, but I don't see how they could be considered a ponzi, especially not an obvious one.

[Cassey]

Add me in for $500, "Valued" at $780 due to reinvestments.

[Centaurus]

Hi all

I'm another loser on BT - $1280. If you could add me to the list it would be much appreciated.

An interesting observation - I tried to unsubscribe to the newsletter using the link in the original the sign-up email it took me to

http://email.bitcoin-trader.biz/ which is actually http://www.mailgun.com/ so it would appear Mr Carley had an account there... they are in the San Francisco.

I guess we will all at some point be asked to provide proof of what was lost - lucky for me I took screenshots - has everyone else done the same?

Thanks

I don't have screen shots,
Mr. pawlo74 realy said to us take the screenshots, but as I was doing many tests at the university, then I lost the time.
But I think that the transactions codes are incontestable proofs, and I have all codes of my transactions.

[pawlo74]

Hi all

I'm another loser on BT - $1280. If you could add me to the list it would be much appreciated.

An interesting observation - I tried to unsubscribe to the newsletter using the link in the original the sign-up email it took me to

http://email.bitcoin-trader.biz/ which is actually http://www.mailgun.com/ so it would appear Mr Carley had an account there... they are in the San Francisco.

I guess we will all at some point be asked to provide proof of what was lost - lucky for me I took screenshots - has everyone else done the same?

Thanks

I don't have screen shots,
Mr. pawlo74 realy said to us take the screenshots, but as I was doing many tests at the university, then I lost the time.
But I think that the transactions codes are incontestable proofs, and I have all codes of my transactions.

Centaurus that's not a problem at all we all have tons of confirmation mails though.



Bitcoin Trader - New Pending E-Wallet Fund Created


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Hello Pawel

A new pending E-Wallet fund has been created.  Once we confirm that we have received the funds, they will automatically be added to your E-Wallet.

Transaction ID: #16384
Date: Oct 7th, 2014 @ 09:41 am
Amount: $xx.xx
Fees: $0.00
Processor: Bitcoin
Processor Account: 14cu9dPmDwaWVmicZipL5Ex5VcM3SzosWi

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