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Author Topic: NobleCoin[NOBL] - 8% PoS | 1Yr+ | MARKETPLACE | PAY | GIFT | CHARITIES/MERCHANTS  (Read 1013203 times)
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October 23, 2014, 09:46:28 AM
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A month ago I moved all my coins to a different cold storage, silly me Tongue all coins age reset..


I'm not sure to understand this comment and reading the thread sporadically I don't know if this has been clarified:

POS couldn't go backward (i.e. generating higher stake for coins that were held before the move to POS), right?

If Rofo or someone from the NOBL team could clarify this point it'd be great as it makes a hell of a difference. Thanks!

It`s all about the coinage. If you stored your coins in wallet for a long time you get higher POS. So it goes backward.
If you switch your coins around a lot you have small coinage and get little POS


Thanks for your reply, but my question is slightly different even if i didn't express it so well above. Let me try to rephrase:

Once the transition to POS is done, will the the coins in the wallet prior to the switch to POS have a weight (coinage) or will all the wallets start staking from zero coinage at that time?

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October 23, 2014, 02:01:26 PM
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A month ago I moved all my coins to a different cold storage, silly me Tongue all coins age reset..


I'm not sure to understand this comment and reading the thread sporadically I don't know if this has been clarified:

POS couldn't go backward (i.e. generating higher stake for coins that were held before the move to POS), right?

If Rofo or someone from the NOBL team could clarify this point it'd be great as it makes a hell of a difference. Thanks!

It`s all about the coinage. If you stored your coins in wallet for a long time you get higher POS. So it goes backward.
If you switch your coins around a lot you have small coinage and get little POS


Thanks for your reply, but my question is slightly different even if i didn't express it so well above. Let me try to rephrase:

Once the transition to POS is done, will the the coins in the wallet prior to the switch to POS have a weight (coinage) or will all the wallets start staking from zero coinage at that time?


The coins will keep the age from before the switch to POS, but the age only affects whether they can be used to POS mine or not, you don't get any backpayment or anything like that
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October 23, 2014, 03:29:36 PM
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Great, so if i've sent 1,000 NOBL to a wallet today Oct 23rd and the POS goes live on Nov 1st they will have the same weight as 1,000 NOBL that have been sitting in a wallet for the past 6 months, this is correct?

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Last edit: October 23, 2014, 07:57:55 PM by cryptonit
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Great, so if i've sent 1,000 NOBL to a wallet today Oct 23rd and the POS goes live on Nov 1st they will have the same weight as 1,000 NOBL that have been sitting in a wallet for the past 6 months, this is correct?

no

weight grow from day 7 to day 30

please read again

below description of DMD POS
NOBLE POS will have same mechanics just different settings
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How is POS working:

there is a easy and a complex answer

easy:
each year ur coins will increase as much as the pos reward percentage say if u regulary (once a month) open ur wallet in minting mode for at least a day


complex:

following is true for DMD POS
not all coins use the same
and some (most) coin devs dont full understand what i describe here
and so their code isnt utilizing POS in its full power or values not adapted to fit their coin amount

to test other coins just ask them to explain u how POS works in detail
u will get lot different and most of them are wrong answers (copycoder alarm .....)


pile
coin weight
coin age
burn coin age
min time
max time
split stake
group stake
pos difficulty
pos block time
pos reward


pile = if u check coin control u see u have lot pile of coins
each pile try to POS on his own (only group stake act different)

coin weight=determined by amount of coin in pile and his age used to calculate ur chance to mint coin weight stop to grow once ur coins reach max time is reached (this is to prevent someone gather lot coin weight and be able do some kind of attack(no guide for attack here...) (which wont work anyway at DMD because of hybrid security))

coin age=determined by amount of coin in pile and his age used to calculate ur reward when u mint successful
coin age doesnt stop to grow and so do ur rewards get bigger and bigger until
u mint successful then ur coin age of the involved coin pile is set to zero

burn coin age/coin weight happens also for all coins in a pile which is involved in a transaction
that mean that pile get his coin weight and coin age reset to zero
if u have only one big pile of coins and u send every 5 days a little outgoing transaction
u will never ever be able to mint because u always destroy the coin weight before its big enough u get a minting possibility

min time is 7 days for DMD which mean once ur pile of coins is at least 7 days old he can compete to try mint a block if ur wallet is unlocked
between mint time and max time every successful minting will be split stake

max time is 30 days for DMD which means coin weight dont grow even if ur coins are older than 30 days (but ur coin age grow without limit even after 30 days)
any minting with coins  older than 30 days will use group stake mechanism

split stake means when a pile of coins successful mint a block and is below 30 days old he will be split in 2 pile of coins where both pile will be increased with half of pos rewards u earned

group stake will be attempted by coin pile older than 30 days the they no longer are forced to try mint alone but can group with other coin pile also older than 30 days
up to 100 DMD can group up and try to mint together. if successfull they merge together forming a single pile and get the earned pos rewards added to that pile. coin pile above 100 coins cant group but when they mint the group stake mechanism will prevent them from beeing split in 2 pile

pos difficulty u can see when u enter getdifficulty into console
it determine the chance that u will be able to mint
similar to POW but this time not pure hashrate of complex hashes and luck determine who able create next block
instead simple hashes created by  wallet via cpu  and modified with the coin weight of pile which try to mint compete against each other on the network

pos block time a diff adjusting will try to raise and lower pos difficulty to reach target pos block time (in case of DMD its 600sec because of our hybrid POW/POS setup we need no faster POS block generation and it helps keep ur wallet clean of POS spam (lot small pos rewards) instead u generate less but bigger minting rewards.

pos reward determined by coin age and actual pos stage of coin
example 50% per anno  pos reward means a pile with 1000 dmd and age 30 days will if he mint successfull be
1000+(1000/100*50/12)= 1041.67 dmd

 
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October 24, 2014, 05:24:32 AM
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Thanks cryptonit; it's much clearer now!

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October 24, 2014, 09:09:37 AM
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Is there any wallet upgrade since were going pos? My wallet doesn't sync totally today dunno whats going on. Im using v 1.0.0.0
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October 24, 2014, 09:33:53 AM
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something strange is happening

477.329 MH/s
Difficulty
33.97
earlier in this hashrate difficulty was 3 times less

Wallet is not updated
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October 24, 2014, 09:37:53 AM
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we should organise a day of Rain on irc , big holders can prepare and rain nobl down on new Noblers, promote before on twitter, combine maybe with release of POS wallet, what do ya think??

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October 24, 2014, 09:38:56 AM
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something strange is happening

477.329 MH/s
Difficulty
33.97
earlier in this hashrate difficulty was 3 times less

Wallet is not updated

WafflePool is jumping on and off us.

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October 24, 2014, 09:54:22 AM
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something strange is happening

477.329 MH/s
Difficulty
33.97
earlier in this hashrate difficulty was 3 times less

Wallet is not updated

WafflePool is jumping on and off us.

but why wallet is not updated?
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October 24, 2014, 09:58:04 AM
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something strange is happening

477.329 MH/s
Difficulty
33.97
earlier in this hashrate difficulty was 3 times less

Wallet is not updated

WafflePool is jumping on and off us.

but why wallet is not updated?

I'm not sure I follow, which wallet? The DMD team are moving forward with the new fork (not released yet) and the non-mandatory wallet updates released are optional.

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October 24, 2014, 10:13:29 AM
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something strange is happening

477.329 MH/s
Difficulty
33.97
earlier in this hashrate difficulty was 3 times less

Wallet is not updated

WafflePool is jumping on and off us.

but why wallet is not updated?

I'm not sure I follow, which wallet? The DMD team are moving forward with the new fork (not released yet) and the non-mandatory wallet updates released are optional.




My wallet is sync now never mind Smiley
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October 24, 2014, 10:16:05 AM
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My wallet is sync now never mind Smiley

Good to hear. The update will include nodes and methods of resolving the delay in syncing when it has trouble finding peers.

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October 24, 2014, 12:15:01 PM
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we should organise a day of Rain on irc , big holders can prepare and rain nobl down on new Noblers, promote before on twitter, combine maybe with release of POS wallet, what do ya think??


Yeah, that could help. We wait until POS wallet comes so people won`t dump their coins. We should also write articles, promote via twitter and FB. (I will write another article if POS is published.)

Noble is so cheap atm everyone should buy. Not only the big holders Wink Everyone should rain a bit.
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October 24, 2014, 12:58:35 PM
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My wallet is sync now never mind Smiley

Good to hear. The update will include nodes and methods of resolving the delay in syncing when it has trouble finding peers.

Glad to hear that!

Thank you keep the good work!
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October 24, 2014, 01:17:32 PM
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something strange is happening

477.329 MH/s
Difficulty
33.97
earlier in this hashrate difficulty was 3 times less

Wallet is not updated

WafflePool is jumping on and off us.

Probably my fault for buying at 9 :p
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October 24, 2014, 01:58:11 PM
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something strange is happening

477.329 MH/s
Difficulty
33.97
earlier in this hashrate difficulty was 3 times less

Wallet is not updated

WafflePool is jumping on and off us.

Probably my fault for buying at 9 :p

Wafflepool is now accounting for 25% to 75% of noble mining
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nobl/extraction.dws?13.htm

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October 24, 2014, 04:43:45 PM
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we should organise a day of Rain on irc , big holders can prepare and rain nobl down on new Noblers, promote before on twitter, combine maybe with release of POS wallet, what do ya think??


Yeah, that could help. We wait until POS wallet comes so people won`t dump their coins. We should also write articles, promote via twitter and FB. (I will write another article if POS is published.)

Noble is so cheap atm everyone should buy. Not only the big holders Wink Everyone should rain a bit.

We have to wait until the change. As was just noted Multi pools target us if it is profitable. Shoring up the price right now is nothing more than paying multipools electric bills.

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October 24, 2014, 06:54:07 PM
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Finally got to synch the wallet... I am going to store my coins for now in anticipation for the PoS.
Noble is probably one of the coins I'd hope would get the due recognition.  Grin
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October 24, 2014, 10:36:01 PM
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how is ur http://casheer.net/ efforts going on?
http://forum.casheer.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=463&sid=f2c18123ef4a493ffe0b2d489c17ec4f
u can do better or?

 
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