NobleCoin[NOBL] - 8% PoS | 1Yr+ | MARKETPLACE | PAY | GIFT | CHARITIES/MERCHANTS

[kresu]

Open Bazaar is nearer than you might think. I saw a demo in Raleigh recently, it's almost all working and the beta is next month with most good features. Might be a good idea to start thinking about a fork and supporting NOBL there, after the current development efforts for the PoS etc. have been completed.

Yes.

https://github.com/jlcurby/NobleRoad

NobleRoad is a decentralized marketplace proof of concept. It is based off the OpenBazaar fork, which itself is based off of the POC code by the darkmarket team and protected by the GPL.

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[Rofo]

I'll come up with a bit of a 'where we're at with finances' page to better explain what I meant. We're more thinking compensation for external work. I'd rather not be in control or receive that to be free from any negative scrutiny or sentiment. This only applies to work from people who aren't happy to accept and hold NOBL (those who believe in it longer-term) - otherwise we're always happy to pay from reserves. We have a couple of guys (Pikuchato being the perfect example) getting ready to join and chime in with development, but to be more competitive and attract the contractors that work from coin to coin decent amounts of BTC is preferred.

Because we knew we could take this on ourselves rather than ask for money we've asked for some patience, although I'm extremely jealous (and sceptical) of the SYS/Moolah fiasco and amounts of IPO money being thrown around with UseCoin and a dozen others. Selling NOBL as is in this market and depressing prices further is generally frowned upon rather than holding it and pushing forward for now (hence why I've been buying when I can to try and back up my constant talk with some action).

I'm a big fan of how OpenBazaar is coming along but the backlash on crypto. from the illegal listings isn't helping imho (NXT marketplace looks solid but it's already full of stuff hurting their image a lot). The marketplace can become our Amazon and OpenBazaar will be deployed, although I'm tempted to do some sort of 'round-table' where two-dozen or so of the most supportive community members can vote to ensure illegal and damaging listings are removed (hurts from a decentralized purist perspective but I just don't see hard drugs and child porn. being an acceptable part of decentralization).

[Rofo]

Open Bazaar is nearer than you might think. I saw a demo in Raleigh recently, it's almost all working and the beta is next month with most good features. Might be a good idea to start thinking about a fork and supporting NOBL there, after the current development efforts for the PoS etc. have been completed.

Yes.

https://github.com/jlcurby/NobleRoad

NobleRoad is a decentralized marketplace proof of concept. It is based off the OpenBazaar fork, which itself is based off of the POC code by the darkmarket team and protected by the GPL.

Yeah Twitter is full of the shills selling coins 'promising/working' on delivering centralized & decentralized marketplaces yet we're generally ignored for now despite our marketplace focus.

Believe me I try on Twitter.. 1224 Tweets (80% NOBL, 20% crypto.) and counting.

[fairglu]

I'm a big fan of how OpenBazaar is coming along but the backlash on crypto. from the illegal listings isn't helping imho (NXT marketplace looks solid but it's already full of stuff hurting their image a lot). The marketplace can become our Amazon and OpenBazaar will be deployed, although I'm tempted to do some sort of 'round-table' where two-dozen or so of the most support community members can vote to ensure illegal and damaging listings are removed (hurts from a decentralized purist perspective but I just don't see hard drugs and child porn. being an acceptable part of decentralization).

The illegal stuff is IMHO why decentralized marketplaces can't and won't work in the long term. Mainstream users will never want to be associated with it, so they have little to no chance of becoming another ebay or Amazon, and will at best emulate SilkRoad (and be cracked upon by law enforcement regularly, because well, no matter how secure the block-chain anonymity features may be, there is a lot of information leaked at the real-world interface).

However I think there is a place for a "clean" crypto, that would emphasize openness and clarity, and that could be Noble's place.

Likely I'm a utopian, but I think that fiat makes it way too easy for them to perform shady dealings, from money laundering to money printing. If one day crypto replaces fiat, I would rather it be a "clean" crypto that would allow public access and scrutiny rather than just an electronic fiat-like anonymous means of payment.

But hey, that's may just be me

[james6546]

I'm a big fan of how OpenBazaar is coming along but the backlash on crypto. from the illegal listings isn't helping imho (NXT marketplace looks solid but it's already full of stuff hurting their image a lot). The marketplace can become our Amazon and OpenBazaar will be deployed, although I'm tempted to do some sort of 'round-table' where two-dozen or so of the most support community members can vote to ensure illegal and damaging listings are removed (hurts from a decentralized purist perspective but I just don't see hard drugs and child porn. being an acceptable part of decentralization).

The illegal stuff is IMHO why decentralized marketplaces can't and won't work in the long term. Mainstream users will never want to be associated with it, so they have little to no chance of becoming another ebay or Amazon, and will at best emulate SilkRoad (and be cracked upon by law enforcement regularly, because well, no matter how secure the block-chain anonymity features may be, there is a lot of information leaked at the real-world interface).

However I think there is a place for a "clean" crypto, that would emphasize openness and clarity, and that could be Noble's place.

Likely I'm a utopian, but I think that fiat makes it way too easy for them to perform shady dealings, from money laundering to money printing. If one day crypto replaces fiat, I would rather it be a "clean" crypto that would allow public access and scrutiny rather than just an electronic fiat-like anonymous means of payment.

But hey, that's may just be me

I'm with you. I think that a coin will never become mainstream if it has a history of dark dealings and shadiness, an everyday person wouldn't want to be associated with it. But...I also think that if you told someone who didn't know about crypto that you could see what payments they made publically that they would not like that either. Not that I am for anonymity, I think that if all coins were anonymous that the government would crack down on it a lot more, just stating the facts.

Same with the marketplace. I guess the sad thing is that in this scene we are going to need some kind of moderation (same way ebay does) in order to not become full of general nastiness and rubbish. I think we would have to set down a plain list of rules and then make sure that they are adhered to. I realise that an unmoderated marketplace would be more preferable, but it just isn't feasible in the crypto arena, or probably actually in the rest of the world.

[NorrisK]

Agreed, totally unregulated does not work with human nature and has geen shown Time and Time again in This scene..

Only crypto purists will complain about This form of regulation, others will want and need it ultimately.

[fairglu]

But...I also think that if you told someone who didn't know about crypto that you could see what payments they made publically that they would not like that either.

Yes, though things could be turning around, besides people posting lots of private stuff on social networks, what they like, read or buy are for all practical purposes already accessible to those that want it, at least as statistical data for advertisers.

There is a drastic information asymmetry, companies, banks, "well-connected" people can get a lot more information on us peasants than we have on them.
The current fiat anonymity is for all practical purposes limited to preventing neighbors from knowing the finances of each other, and for that purpose, pseudonimity is enough I think.

but it just isn't feasible in the crypto arena, or probably actually in the rest of the world.

Indeed.

[kresu]

Yeah, and our discussion enters the area of question "do we need the law and law enforcement - police, courts etc. to prevent activities that harm other people?"

If such a marketplace will be decentralized/distributed AND anonymous, I find it very difficult even to moderate - how can you stop banned people from creating new, fake identities and continuing their plan?

Would a voting/rating/trust system be enough?
Other ideas?

[james6546]

Yeah, and our discussion enters the area of question "do we need the law and law enforcement - police, courts etc. to prevent activities that harm other people?"

If such a marketplace will be decentralized/distributed AND anonymous, I find it very difficult even to moderate - how can you stop banned people from creating new, fake identities and continuing their plan?

Would a voting/rating/trust system be enough?
Other ideas?

IMO I think realistically it would need a group of mods. Anything that blatantly breaks the rules should be removed immediately, and items that are in a grey area should be voted against.

[spofas]

Why are people so obcessed with anonimity?
Merchants can't be anonymous... If you have a problem with the product you bought, you need to know who to complain to.
And if we want to go mainstream, obviously the marketplace has to be something legit that people can trust. And people don't trust in a no-faced merchant.

Crypto purist just have to get used to the idea of centralization.

PS: I know no one likes Seaman, but this is worth the watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFWV-mfMdw8&list=UUesJUsXCpAdKaLzdrYBi5wQ
Bryce discusses exactly what we're talking about.

[james6546]

Why are people so obcessed with anonimity?
Merchants can't be anonymous... If you have a problem with the product you bought, you need to know who to complain to.
And if we want to go mainstream, obviously the marketplace has to be something legit that people can trust. And people don't trust in a no-faced merchant.

Crypto purist just have to get used to the idea of centralization.

PS: I know no one likes Seaman, but this is worth the watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFWV-mfMdw8&list=UUesJUsXCpAdKaLzdrYBi5wQ
Bryce discusses exactly what we're talking about.

I don't think anyone was suggesting anything Noble related become anonymous. I think it goes against the core principals of Noble.

[whylieaboutcake]

Yeah, and our discussion enters the area of question "do we need the law and law enforcement - police, courts etc. to prevent activities that harm other people?"

If such a marketplace will be decentralized/distributed AND anonymous, I find it very difficult even to moderate - how can you stop banned people from creating new, fake identities and continuing their plan?

Would a voting/rating/trust system be enough?
Other ideas?

IMO I think realistically it would need a group of mods. Anything that blatantly breaks the rules should be removed immediately, and items that are in a grey area should be voted against.

A big part of the reason that The Silk Road was so successful was the rules against scamming and the great customer service that came about because of that. http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-08/21/buying-drugs-on-the-dark-net

I'm back everyone Moved 7/31/2014 to my new home, didn't have internet for a week and a half, and then when I finally got my internet up my computer broke $850 repair bill later and I'm back!

[NorrisK]

Yeah, and our discussion enters the area of question "do we need the law and law enforcement - police, courts etc. to prevent activities that harm other people?"

If such a marketplace will be decentralized/distributed AND anonymous, I find it very difficult even to moderate - how can you stop banned people from creating new, fake identities and continuing their plan?

Would a voting/rating/trust system be enough?
Other ideas?

IMO I think realistically it would need a group of mods. Anything that blatantly breaks the rules should be removed immediately, and items that are in a grey area should be voted against.

A big part of the reason that The Silk Road was so successful was the rules against scamming and the great customer service that came about because of that. http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-08/21/buying-drugs-on-the-dark-net

I'm back everyone Moved 7/31/2014 to my new home, didn't have internet for a week and a half, and then when I finally got my internet up my computer broke $850 repair bill later and I'm back!

Good to have You back!

[Zeraful]

Noble is about to enter a zone of no return soon :/

[spofas]

Noble is about to enter a zone of no return soon :/

All it takes is 2 BTC to bring it back to 20 satoshi. Maybe so dirty whale is accumulating.
But I do agree that the price is falling dangerously low.

[Dexpla]

Any idea when Noblecoin is going POS? Who is the DEV doing it?

[Zebedee23]

Is it going to be another few weeks/months before POS or are actions being taken to do this ASAP? NOBL is running out of time! 7 today, 8 yesterday , at this rate will be at 1 sat within a week or so.
Is there anyway if BTC/NOBL was raised by the community this could be done quicker?

[popolite11]

Noble is about to enter a zone of no return soon :/

All it takes is 2 BTC to bring it back to 20 satoshi. Maybe so dirty whale is accumulating.
But I do agree that the price is falling dangerously low.

Price fall happening with many other coins too

[NorrisK]

It's a general trend indeed.

Regarding updates, rofo has been updating regularly. Problem is that development takes Time and rofo is reluctant to make promises when he is not sure that he can keep them.

From a community promotion point of view the pos cant be released soon enough imo. Infographics etc cannot be made now without the final specifications.

[james6546]

I think we generally can't rely on PoS to be the magic savior of the Noble price. We need to get the word of Noble out, and provide buy support etc..

PoS will bring a temporary price raise, but I think we need to do more in order to sustain a higher price level and to get new people in. Our community is getting a bit small IMO...