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The Bitcoin network protocol was designed to be extremely flexible. It can be used to create timed transactions, escrow transactions, multi-signature transactions, etc. The current features of the client only hint at what will be possible in the future.
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qwizzie
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October 31, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
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[DASH] Dash Price and Trade Discussion Threadhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1233119.0Feel free to discuss anything Dash price and trade related
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Learn from the past, set detailed and vivid goals for the future and live in the only moment of time over which you have any control : now
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bigrcanada
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October 31, 2015, 04:57:42 PM |
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Good morning Mr. White. I certainly don't need to justify anything....though I'm interested in what your investing/holding or using to do commerce with. Using your sense of morality as you claim, what passes as meeting this most high bar of excellence? |
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smooth
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October 31, 2015, 05:45:54 PM |
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Though it should be obvious that our battle is NOT with each other...but with the conventional finance world at large.
The best chance, by a wide, wide margin, we have against the conventional finance world is to drop the distraction of all these tiny competing coins and rally our efforts behind Bitcoin. |
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October 31, 2015, 05:48:39 PM |
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DΛSH is digital cash. Transactions are obscured in the blockchain, making them private from the wallet. You can send Dash to family or friends, or pay for goods or services, anywhere in the world. DΛSH Anonymous and Untraceable. The Perfect Digital Cash And The Best Way To Protect Your Privacy https://www.dashpay.io DΛSH is 59.5 times faster with syncing and updating than Monero.My DΛSH Address: XgF6sNzGHU58dn36WsC16no9FHct6nPeZD
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bigrcanada
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October 31, 2015, 06:09:02 PM |
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Though it should be obvious that our battle is NOT with each other...but with the conventional finance world at large.
The best chance, by a wide, wide margin, we have against the conventional finance world is to drop the distraction of all these tiny competing coins and rally our efforts behind Bitcoin. Something I do agree in general....this is certainly something that is worthy of discussion. Initially I would certainly agree...we have enough problems getting Bitcoin into the mainstream consciousness never mind getting into all this BS about premine, instamine, giftmine on and on and on. I hate seeing these esoteric discussions cloud the already muddy waters that Bitcoin seems to navigate. Good grief I still get weekly comments about Bitcoins association with criminals and criminal activities...people still can't seem to understand that its a currancy...like fiat, both being usable for criminal enterprises. As I stated...there is certainly room for the quite development of alt coins to continue. But....there have been dozens of true scam coins that have poisoned the waters that were created with NO development but instead just pump and dumped on exchanges bases on some slick bullshit...um Iceland anyone. |
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aleix
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October 31, 2015, 06:12:04 PM |
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bigrcanada
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October 31, 2015, 06:14:00 PM
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Good god smooth, really? Your coins beginnings had its own fair share of issues. And about us talking about Trollero...really?!? We have thousands of post from you, your devs and cronnies on here to prove that your being a Hippocratic. |
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rangedriver
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October 31, 2015, 06:22:43 PM |
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For me (I know, maybe is because i am from another culture) this is the definition of pathetic.
More like the definition of prejudice and deception. Your entire logic in so far as "proven paid trolls" is concerned is that some aspects of the Monero community (and indeed the Bitcoin community) have been attacking various aspects of Dash.... therefore they must be paid trolls. Clearly this insults the rational mind. As far as I know there have never been any instances of paid trolls anywhere in the cryptosphere. Just because a lot of people think Dash isn't very good doesn't make them 'paid trolls'. And when you post bait, lies, illogical statements or similar... you are inviting retribution and correction from the people that these deceptions involve. Simple as that. |
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bigrcanada
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October 31, 2015, 06:28:11 PM |
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Give us a break...really...your now claiming we are the ones instigating this and that you are all here trolling because of us...that we are inciting trolls. Good god thats beyond the most ignorant and repugnant thing I've heard yet! What we should be doing is cutting out all this shit...period! Slinging shit back in forth is doing ZERO for crypto adoption. At the very least agree to disagree and move the hell on. |
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smooth
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October 31, 2015, 06:31:43 PM |
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Give us a break...really...your now claiming we are the ones instigating this and that you are all here trolling because of us...that we are inciting trolls. Good god thats beyond the most ignorant and repugnant thing I've heard yet! What we should be doing is cutting out all this shit...period! Slinging shit back in forth is doing ZERO for crypto adoption. At the very least agree to disagree and move the hell on. No that isn't what he said. He said there is no evidence paid trolls, which is the standard attack used by Dash supporters when people make comments critical of dash. Troll, maybe, that's a matter of opinion to some extent. But paid troll is a matter of fact, and you can't prove it (nor do I believe it to be true). aleix, you identified 22 posts out of 400. What about the other 378? I think you just proved my point. |
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smooth
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October 31, 2015, 06:38:56 PM |
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Though it should be obvious that our battle is NOT with each other...but with the conventional finance world at large.
The best chance, by a wide, wide margin, we have against the conventional finance world is to drop the distraction of all these tiny competing coins and rally our efforts behind Bitcoin. You first, ok? I'm very supportive of Bitcoin. I've mined Bitcoin quite a bit over the years, and still hold most of it. I've stated publicly that the bulk of my crypto holdings are in Bitcoin (it was a while ago when I said that, but it hasn't changed). I've done some paid work having to do with crypto and it was 100% Bitcoin. That wasn't even my choice, it's just that outside of this forum, 99% of what goes on in the world (related to crypto) is Bitcoin. I harbor no illusion that any of these alts is going to challenge conventional finance, though they may find niches that Bitcoin may not ever address very well, such as being extremely private. Look, Bitcoin has to grow by 1000x (at a minimum 100x) to challenge conventional finance. Dash has to grow by 300x just to challenge Bitcoin. Monero is even smaller than than. If conventional finance is the target, Bitcoin is the logical vehicle. Do the math. |
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aleix
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October 31, 2015, 06:40:14 PM |
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aleix, you identified 22 posts out of 400. What about the other 378? I think you just proved my point.
and I repeat: You wanna count how many post you have in your threads (main + speculation) made by DASH people or dedicated paid trolls? You and your people are always messing around here. . That's really pathetic. That's my point. |
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bigrcanada
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October 31, 2015, 06:41:47 PM |
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Give us a break...really...your now claiming we are the ones instigating this and that you are all here trolling because of us...that we are inciting trolls. Good god thats beyond the most ignorant and repugnant thing I've heard yet! What we should be doing is cutting out all this shit...period! Slinging shit back in forth is doing ZERO for crypto adoption. At the very least agree to disagree and move the hell on. Smooth...you have to admit this is all bullshit. The behavior by anyone that trolls hurts not only your project and ours but Bitcoin and other alts! End of story. |
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Minotaur26
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October 31, 2015, 06:46:53 PM |
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What you guys don't want to understand is that you should stop selling this idea that fairness has anything to do with complying with a series of very specific technical parameters. Dash launch was a fair lunch as everyone involved was subject to the same circumstances and constraints. No one is saying that there weren't technical issues and a lot of tokens, were mined at the beginning. There was a fastmine, but those tokens went to anyone and everyone mining at the moment not to Evan in particular as people some times try to imply. I know how much Evan holds and is small compared to the insinuations of people here all the time, he is not even close to the level of the largest holders of the project that bought their coins in exchanges, while doing most of the development work. I am not a miner and the majority of people that participate in these forums are not miners so no matter what client you have I would not be able to participate. So how are these technical parameters going to make anything accessible to the general community. I think also all these talks about "social contracts" and "distribution" are misleading a lot of people in these forums. We are here to create empowering technology that adds value to people in every day life and part of the challenge is actually deploying it and making it accessible to users with no expectation of an ROI. We are not in some sort of socialist movement and this obsession with not making any changes to the parameters with which a coin is launched not to break the "social contract" is one of the most short sighted ideas I have ever seen. When any project, company or decentralized effort is launched is when you know the least about your solution, market and what you are doing and making changes and adapting is precisely what is necessary to make progress. Expecting that all parameters of a nascent project can be set from the very start so that they never need changes in unrealistic. Some of the more experienced and intelligent people around these forums have been explaining it very clear recently. I am lamenting the emission cut did not pass a year ago. Currently we just get loads and loads of cheap XMR on top of what we have, and when the value is realized in the wider audience, it feels almost as bad as a premine, with great concentrations of coin in the hands of people who already were rich and smart and forward-looking. The intention is not to punish from such qualities, but now the reward is so excessive it makes me blush  "Equal opportunity" loses some of its allure when nobody is using it (and then complain afterwards, same as with BTC) I've always believed that "more inflation now <=> less inflation later".
Yes, it is correct. What the community refused to believe a year ago, and seemingly still do, is that both are harmful. Now we don't need much inflation as the coin is small and inflation does not benefit anyone (including the usual but completely incorrect claim that it "distributes the coins" which can only happen if the community grows, and can be witnessed in marketcap growth). Later we would need more inflation to show that the coin is not a pyramid game but that the monetary base is growing as newcomers enter in. And what reply do these intelligent observations get: I am lamenting the emission cut did not pass a year ago. Currently we just get loads and loads of cheap XMR on top of what we have, and when the value is realized in the wider audience, it feels almost as bad as a premine, with great concentrations of coin in the hands of people who already were rich and smart and forward-looking. The intention is not to punish from such qualities, but now the reward is so excessive it makes me blush "Equal opportunity" loses some of its allure when nobody is using it (and then complain afterwards, same as with BTC) I beg to disagree here. People overestimate how high the emission rate actually is. Furthermore, changing the emission rate would have broken the social contract and would probably look way more sketchy from the outside than the fast emission rate. I also agree with wachtwoord on this matter. I have always wondered what "social contract" is this guy referring to, isn't the contract to create good technology that is easy to use and make it accessible to people and make all the changes necessary to actually make that a reality. Whether is funding, governance, emission, inflation, mining algorithm, or anything else. Correct what you find to be wrong along the way and move forward. Dash has always made changes to adapt and evolve and these changes have always been to the benefit of existing and future users of the system. The big challenge is whether the project will be able to produce something that bridges the gap between technocrats and everyday users, that is what we are working for and we will continue to make any and every change or improvement necessary for the project to fulfill its objective. Everyone can try their own way and we can see in a few years what is the better approach. |
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October 31, 2015, 06:52:53 PM |
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Good morning Mr. White. I certainly don't need to justify anything....though I'm interested in what your investing/holding or using to do commerce with. Using your sense of morality as you claim, what passes as meeting this most high bar of excellence? Good morning  Is a little honesty about the instamine too much to ask? Look on the right - "0.00000000% pre-mined". That's an unbelievably brazen and deceptive statement considering the 500,000 coins that were mined in the first hour and 1.5 million in the first 8 hours   So now that the DASH team have removed "No premine" from their Bitcointalk Announcement thread, when can we expect a clarification on this point on the Bitcointalk thread, not to mention the Media stories and Press Releases about DASH which still aren't disclosing anything about the instamine. |
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bigrcanada
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October 31, 2015, 06:56:02 PM |
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Though it should be obvious that our battle is NOT with each other...but with the conventional finance world at large.
The best chance, by a wide, wide margin, we have against the conventional finance world is to drop the distraction of all these tiny competing coins and rally our efforts behind Bitcoin. You first, ok? I'm very supportive of Bitcoin. I've mined Bitcoin quite a bit over the years, and still hold most of it. I've stated publicly that the bulk of my crypto holdings are in Bitcoin (it was a while ago when I said that, but it hasn't changed). I've done some paid work having to do with crypto and it was 100% Bitcoin. That wasn't even my choice, it's just that outside of this forum, 99% of what goes on in the world (related to crypto) is Bitcoin. I harbor no illusion that any of these alts is going to challenge conventional finance, though they may find niches that Bitcoin may not ever address very well, such as being extremely private. Look, Bitcoin has to grow by 1000x (at a minimum 100x) to challenge conventional finance. Dash has to grow by 300x just to challenge Bitcoin. Monero is even smaller than than. If conventional finance is the target, Bitcoin is the logical vehicle. Do the math. See...in here I see sound logic. I agree with your comment here. ....there are times you come across as reasonable. |
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bigrcanada
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October 31, 2015, 06:58:12 PM |
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Good morning Mr. White. I certainly don't need to justify anything....though I'm interested in what your investing/holding or using to do commerce with. Using your sense of morality as you claim, what passes as meeting this most high bar of excellence? The instamine happened. Period. Now...my question: I'm interested in what your investing/holding or using to do commerce with. Using your sense of morality as you claim, what passes as meeting this most high bar of excellence? |
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October 31, 2015, 07:26:08 PM |
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So...so in conclusion....we all agree to disagree. We have a different view of your coins beginnings and think it was shaddy. You have the same view about ours. Great....now....can we get on to more important things, like development and working to promote crypto as a solution to fiat. Thanks. |
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