[ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning

[roselee]

Vitalik, I'm asking you to lock this thread and start a new thread for ethf.

Also I'd like to quote this

I don't follow altcoins at all, but it seems to me that Ethereum's main problem here was that its economy wasn't backed by very many full nodes at all. See:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Economic_strength
https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/features/validation

I'd guess that 99% of ETH owners were using EWallets. This is extremely dangerous, since it gives those EWallets massive control over the network. This is exactly the sort of centralization risk that Bitcoin experts are constantly warning about in relation to the max block size. It is absolutely essential that the economy be backed by many independent full nodes so that miners + a small handful of "major players" can't completely change the currency.

I believe 99% of ethf users were in it for the pump and dump. None had an intent to run nodes, create an economy, build contracts, nothing.

Vitalik has set a precedent. If there's ever child porn, drugs, gambling, etc. The fbi can come straight to his house and he has 0 deniability. He'll be in jail for contempt.

yes vitalik be so fair
the hf overrun normal ether holders in favor of investors who did get there bailout. but it would be fair to close this thread couse its not the old ether classic one anymore .
let both sides start a new thread. at least that would be fair.

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[bitpop]

Vitalik, I'm asking you to lock this thread and start a new thread for ethf.

Also I'd like to quote this

I don't follow altcoins at all, but it seems to me that Ethereum's main problem here was that its economy wasn't backed by very many full nodes at all. See:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Economic_strength
https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/features/validation

I'd guess that 99% of ETH owners were using EWallets. This is extremely dangerous, since it gives those EWallets massive control over the network. This is exactly the sort of centralization risk that Bitcoin experts are constantly warning about in relation to the max block size. It is absolutely essential that the economy be backed by many independent full nodes so that miners + a small handful of "major players" can't completely change the currency.

I believe 99% of ethf users were in it for the pump and dump. None had an intent to run nodes, create an economy, build contracts, nothing.

Vitalik has set a precedent. If there's ever child porn, drugs, gambling, etc. The fbi can come straight to his house and he has 0 deniability. He'll be in jail for contempt.

yes vitalik be so fair
the hf overrun normal ether holders in favor of investors how did get there bailout. but it would be fair to close this thread couse its not the old ether classic one anymore .
let both sides start a new thread. at least that would be fair.

I'm no longer asking for this thread, only for closure. Op was selling immutable tokens which no longer exist. Keeping this thread is deceitful.

[frostminer]

Vitalik, I'm asking you to lock this thread and start a new thread for ethf.

Also I'd like to quote this

I don't follow altcoins at all, but it seems to me that Ethereum's main problem here was that its economy wasn't backed by very many full nodes at all. See:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Economic_strength
https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/features/validation

I'd guess that 99% of ETH owners were using EWallets. This is extremely dangerous, since it gives those EWallets massive control over the network. This is exactly the sort of centralization risk that Bitcoin experts are constantly warning about in relation to the max block size. It is absolutely essential that the economy be backed by many independent full nodes so that miners + a small handful of "major players" can't completely change the currency.

I believe 99% of ethf users were in it for the pump and dump. None had an intent to run nodes, create an economy, build contracts, nothing.

Vitalik has set a precedent. If there's ever child porn, drugs, gambling, etc. The fbi can come straight to his house and he has 0 deniability. He'll be in jail for contempt.

yes vitalik be so fair
the hf overrun normal ether holders in favor of investors how did get there bailout. but it would be fair to close this thread couse its not the old ether classic one anymore .
let both sides start a new thread. at least that would be fair.

I'm no longer asking for this thread, only for closure. Op was selling immutable tokens which no longer exist. Keeping this thread is deceitful.

Yawns ...


You wont succeed with this.
Now scurry off to your own thread with your 4 friends.

[Perryl]

I do agree that a new thread should be created.

People who say there are just 4 people saying this are exceptionally ignorant and should be ignored.

[frostminer]

I do agree that a new thread should be created.

People who say there are just 4 people saying this are exceptionally ignorant and should be ignored.

You can check the activity yourself..
You can use fingers to count, because you wont need many 

[Wesiematic]

I don't understand, what's going on now, there 2 different Ether now?

[Perryl]

I don't understand, what's going on now, there 2 different Ether now?

Actually, 3.


Ether Classic - no hard fork

Ether hf? - hard fork

Ether Regenesis  - New instance with no premine.

[killerjoegreece]

I don't understand, what's going on now, there 2 different Ether now?

Actually, 3.


Ether Classic - no hard fork

Ether hf? - hard fork

Ether Regenesis  - New instance with no premine.

wow it seems people did not like that change...

[frostminer]

I don't understand, what's going on now, there 2 different Ether now?

Actually, 3.


Ether Classic - no hard fork

Ether hf? - hard fork

Ether Regenesis  - New instance with no premine.

wow it seems people did not like that change...

Not really.. notice the nicks, their status, their activity.


Summed up:  Ignore them.

[Wesiematic]

I don't understand, what's going on now, there 2 different Ether now?

Actually, 3.


Ether Classic - no hard fork

Ether hf? - hard fork

Ether Regenesis  - New instance with no premine.

wow it seems people did not like that change...

Not really.. notice the nicks, their status, their activity.


Summed up:  Ignore them.

Ok the Ether Regenesis is a complete new chain, and the Ether HF is the official Vitalik chain and the unchanged ETH classic is now a alternative chain?
Is this more or less right? 

[jc12345]

The winner is where the money is at. That is how the world rolls.

[frostminer]

To put it simple..


1 chain has  4237.5176 GH/s hashing power and is traded very actively.
The 2 others are at 0.. or hidden.


Guess what that means?

[Perryl]

I don't understand, what's going on now, there 2 different Ether now?

Actually, 3.


Ether Classic - no hard fork

Ether hf? - hard fork

Ether Regenesis  - New instance with no premine.

wow it seems people did not like that change...

Not really.. notice the nicks, their status, their activity.


Summed up:  Ignore them.

Nicks - well known users on the forums..
Status - Most are legendary or hero?
Activity.. most are over 500, some over 1k? I'm the only one with low activity that I've seen so far.  

[Perryl]

I don't understand, what's going on now, there 2 different Ether now?

Actually, 3.


Ether Classic - no hard fork

Ether hf? - hard fork

Ether Regenesis  - New instance with no premine.

wow it seems people did not like that change...

Not really.. notice the nicks, their status, their activity.


Summed up:  Ignore them.

Ok the Ether Regenesis is a complete new chain, and the Ether HF is the official Vitalik chain and the unchanged ETH classic is now a alternative chain?
Is this more or less right? 

More or less, I think that's about right.

[roselee]

I don't understand, what's going on now, there 2 different Ether now?

Actually, 3.


Ether Classic - no hard fork

Ether hf? - hard fork

Ether Regenesis  - New instance with no premine.

wow it seems people did not like that change...

Not really.. notice the nicks, their status, their activity.


Summed up:  Ignore them.

o yes someone with a spine is a troll couse speaking up pointing fingers on what you did is not wanted
gosh unbelivebal

[bitpop]

Forking crime out may have its merits. The only dapp I saw on dao is roulette. Say gambling becomes huge in ethf.

1. Fbi visits vitalik telling him to stop gambling so he forks to ethfbi.

2. Investors want their money back so they want another fork ethf2.

How many forks will it take? All the proforkers will choose which fork? Everyone will be forking everyone else.

You support forks now but who will save you later?

[Slydrule]

This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.

Meh..
The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party.

Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559622.0

The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable.

ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists.

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else.

This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it.

You don't seem to understand as well.. Its not a "thief" - it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage.

The DAO contract was bugged - not ETH and IMHO a rollback / hardfork because a bugged contract should absolutely NOT be possible in a modern, decentralized crypto currency. However - they forked it anyway which is the right decision for some people and the wrong decision for others, you probably never get it right for everyone.

"it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage." - which makes him a thief.

[bitpop]

This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.

Meh..
The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party.

Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559622.0

The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable.

ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists.

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else.

This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it.

You don't seem to understand as well.. Its not a "thief" - it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage.

The DAO contract was bugged - not ETH and IMHO a rollback / hardfork because a bugged contract should absolutely NOT be possible in a modern, decentralized crypto currency. However - they forked it anyway which is the right decision for some people and the wrong decision for others, you probably never get it right for everyone.

"it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage." - which makes him a thief.

Wrong, code is law. Vitaliks own words. His only selling point.

[Perryl]

This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.

Meh..
The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party.

Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559622.0

The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable.

ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists.

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else.

This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it.

You don't seem to understand as well.. Its not a "thief" - it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage.

The DAO contract was bugged - not ETH and IMHO a rollback / hardfork because a bugged contract should absolutely NOT be possible in a modern, decentralized crypto currency. However - they forked it anyway which is the right decision for some people and the wrong decision for others, you probably never get it right for everyone.

"it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage." - which makes him a thief.

Kind of like when a bank accidentally deposits money into the wrong account, and they roll back the transaction. If you withdrew the money you get charged, etc.

Isn't Ether supposed to be different? I thought we weren't able to do this with crypto. I thought cryptocurrencies were supposed to be different than banks.

Ether proved me wrong.

[Slydrule]

Which one is the real coin now?

I don't know.
What I know, however, is that supporters of the original ethcoin can attack the hf ethcoin in a court of law.

So let them attack the hard fork in a court of law.  They will lose and waste their money.  In a way it would be good for them to take it to court.  First, they would have to reveal how they are damaged by the HF in order to show standing.  Then they would need to make their bogus claim that the ETH that was taken was not stolen and to do that they will have to get the owners of those ETH to say the person who took them had their permission.

When they lose their case in court, the issue will be settled and there will be no more claims of this bogus ETH classic.  People supporting this their have unstated motives.  Something tells me they won't want that to come out in a court of law.