Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread

[LFC_Bitcoin]

^  Yup, they had to sell more than 10 of them to get the number down to around 25 and have some in the bank to spend.  Brings down the wage budget too.  I think Chelsea had 43 players including the guys that went up from their youth academy?  Crazy...

But yeah, I'm excited the most for them in the EPL with Burnley a close second.    Let's see what Poch can do for the club.  And how Kompany fares at the highest level.

Chelsea are a mess, Poch has a huge job on his hands. I don’t see what will be any different this season. Tgeir scattergun approach to transfers is really weird, there doesn’t seem to be any method to what they’re doing. It just seems to be spend a tonne of money on absolute mediocrity.

Here’s hoping Liverpool are much, much better this season. Finishing 5th is not good enough, we have made a couple of signings but need another couple more to really try & push City for the title. Having a functioning midfield again will help though, not having to rely on Henderson, Jones & Elliot.

[Igebotz]

^  Yup, they had to sell more than 10 of them to get the number down to around 25 and have some in the bank to spend.  Brings down the wage budget too.  I think Chelsea had 43 players including the guys that went up from their youth academy?  Crazy...

But yeah, I'm excited the most for them in the EPL with Burnley a close second.    Let's see what Poch can do for the club.  And how Kompany fares at the highest level.

Chelsea are a mess, Poch has a huge job on his hands. I don’t see what will be any different this season. Tgeir scattergun approach to transfers is really weird, there doesn’t seem to be any method to what they’re doing. It just seems to be spend a tonne of money on absolute mediocrity.

Here’s hoping Liverpool are much, much better this season. Finishing 5th is not good enough, we have made a couple of signings but need another couple more to really try & push City for the title. Having a functioning midfield again will help though, not having to rely on Henderson, Jones & Elliot.

The problem is that both Liverpool and Chelsea are in the same boat; you spend €100m to €70m on a single player every summer, and none of those players have lived up to expectations so far; the only difference is that Liverpool has a better coach than Chelsea.

Last season, we were both a joke; don't let Liverpool finishing fifth distract you from that; you guys were lucky to get up there. 

[Harkorede]

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I don't bet on outright odds; why would I wait a whole year for a 1.70 odd profit? It's not worth it and never will be. Outright odds are good for a 1-2 month tournament. BTW, 1.75 for Manchester City to win the Premier League? That is far too low for the risk.

Too low?   +75% for a team that looks like a skating rink going through all the competitors? To be honest, I expected City quotes to be around 1.35-1.45 no more. Now I have a heavy feeling that I missed some important news and was generally mistaken.

I occasionally bet on outright odds, but that would in case of not so long events like the NBA Playoffs Series, Finals, World Cup and Euro, Copa America or any other ~1 month competition, Not leagues winner which last 8 months or thereabout and I strongly agree with Igebotz here that "The Juice isn't worth the squeeze" except for those whale fanatics that are putting in hundred thousands or millions of dollars on such odds, but it's still not worth it imo opinion having to wait for as long as 8 months for a bet you could eventually lose.

75% - 100% profit on any investment in 8 months is a very profitable business, but gambling isn't a business so why wait 8 months for odds that goes by almost every hour in different sports on a daily basis.

[KTChampions]

Too low?   +75% for a team that looks like a skating rink going through all the competitors? To be honest, I expected City quotes to be around 1.35-1.45 no more. Now I have a heavy feeling that I missed some important news and was generally mistaken.

I occasionally bet on outright odds, but that would in case of not so long events like the NBA Playoffs Series, Finals, World Cup and Euro, Copa America or any other ~1 month competition, Not leagues winner which last 8 months or thereabout and I strongly agree with Igebotz here that "The Juice isn't worth the squeeze" except for those whale fanatics that are putting in hundred thousands or millions of dollars on such odds, but it's still not worth it imo opinion having to wait for as long as 8 months for a bet you could eventually lose.

75% - 100% profit on any investment in 8 months is a very profitable business, but gambling isn't a business so why wait 8 months for odds that goes by almost every hour in different sports on a daily basis.

Yep. I meant big bets exactly, and it’s not necessarily about whales, because if a person bets $ 5,000 and this is a large amount for him, then + 75% to it will also be a big win for him.
Yes, business and bets are different things, but betting has its advantages - for example, you can fully hedge your position if you think that the profit received is already sufficient.

So, anyone have any opinions on the upcoming season? I think City will be champion again with a probability of around 70-80%. I give this assessment considering that I am their hater (so this is not the result of excessive optimism for the "favorite" team) 

[Igebotz]

Yep. I meant big bets exactly, and it’s not necessarily about whales, because if a person bets $ 5,000 and this is a large amount for him, then + 75% to it will also be a big win for him.
Yes, business and bets are different things, but betting has its advantages - for example, you can fully hedge your position if you think that the profit received is already sufficient.

$5k bet for $3750 profit over 8 months for something that could go the other way is not worth it. I knew someone who went big on Arsenal @3.0 odd just when everyone believed the league was theirs and then boom City took it away from them. Outright betting on the EPL title is extremely risky.

So, anyone have any opinions on the upcoming season? I think City will be champion again with a probability of around 70-80%. I give this assessment considering that I am their hater (so this is not the result of excessive optimism for the "favorite" team) 

Same Manchester city others are chasers........

[Ulven]

So, anyone have any opinions on the upcoming season? I think City will be champion again with a probability of around 70-80%. I give this assessment considering that I am their hater (so this is not the result of excessive optimism for the "favorite" team) 

In truth, it is difficult to predict who will be the champion in the upcoming season before the start of the tournament. We first need to assess the clubs, as well as the transfers and new faces coming to the EPL.
I believe Newcastle United will have a strong presence this season. We all witnessed how they performed last season! However, I am not sure if the rumor about Ronaldo joining the club this season is true or not.

$5k bet for $3750 profit over 8 months for something that could go the other way is not worth it. I knew someone who went big on Arsenal @3.0 odd just when everyone believed the league was theirs and then boom City took it away from them. Outright betting on the EPL title is extremely risky.

Honestly, last year I placed a bet of this magnitude and ended up losing in the semi-final match of the World Cup between Morocco and France.

[KTChampions]

Yep. I meant big bets exactly, and it’s not necessarily about whales, because if a person bets $ 5,000 and this is a large amount for him, then + 75% to it will also be a big win for him.
Yes, business and bets are different things, but betting has its advantages - for example, you can fully hedge your position if you think that the profit received is already sufficient.

$5k bet for $3750 profit over 8 months for something that could go the other way is not worth it. I knew someone who went big on Arsenal @3.0 odd just when everyone believed the league was theirs and then boom City took it away from them. Outright betting on the EPL title is extremely risky.
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I don't think that anyone when odds were 3.0 believed in Arsenal in the sense of "was sure", its illogical. If I'm not mistaken the lowest odds for Arsenal were 1.6 - and even then (seemed to me) most didn't believe that Arsenal would be able to finish the job. The odds on the City at that time were in the region of 2 and those who took the risk made 100% profit (and by the way it took much less than 8 months).
There is risk everywhere, especially in betting, but I still don’t understand why the odds are so generous here - I can’t even explain it with the mood of the crowd and cash flow - everyone praises City and expects another title from them.

[Igebotz]

I don't think that anyone when odds were 3.0 believed in Arsenal in the sense of "was sure", its illogical. If I'm not mistaken the lowest odds for Arsenal were 1.6 - and even then (seemed to me) most didn't believe that Arsenal would be able to finish the job. The odds on the City at that time were in the region of 2 and those who took the risk made 100% profit (and by the way it took much less than 8 months).
There is risk everywhere, especially in betting, but I still don’t understand why the odds are so generous here - I can’t even explain it with the mood of the crowd and cash flow - everyone praises City and expects another title from them.

A 5 point lead in the league, a game in hand, and less than 10 games to play looked like the Arsenal trophy, and everyone began putting a lot of faith in them to win the title. Except for me and a few others who know arsenal to be bottlers, everyone "was sure" it was coming home at that time.

Why would I wait a calendar year for something that I do for enjoyment every day? Lol

Henderson has accepted the proposed contract from Saudi Arabia who's next for the money bag? @buwatress

[casperBGD]

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75% - 100% profit on any investment in 8 months is a very profitable business, but gambling isn't a business so why wait 8 months for odds that goes by almost every hour in different sports on a daily basis.

outrights odds are closer to business than to betting
one game can go wrong, but you can't have wrong season, if you are seen to catch the title (just look at Bayern and City last season)

two months before end, when Dortmund and Bayern were on one-two point difference, odds on Dortmund were @9 to win the league, and we all know how that finished in the end

and when you have good outright, you can hedge it throughout the season (I am not putting money on City, odds are too low, trying to catch good starters)

back to EPL, there are rumors (maybe just hopium) that Vardy will join Everton, talks are months long already, but could end-up successful

[cryptofrka]

back to EPL, there are rumors (maybe just hopium) that Vardy will join Everton, talks are months long already, but could end-up successful

What will they do with a 37-year old striker who scored 3 goals in 37 league appearances last season?

Vardy's time has passed, Everton would be crazy to even consider him at this point.

[Igebotz]

back to EPL, there are rumors (maybe just hopium) that Vardy will join Everton, talks are months long already, but could end-up successful

What will they do with a 37-year old striker who scored 3 goals in 37 league appearances last season?

Vardy's time has passed, Everton would be crazy to even consider him at this point.

Vardy's loyalty to Leicester City is undeniable; he did not turn down every team in Europe to end up at Everton at the age of 37, when he is only one season away from retiring as a Leicester City legend (his dream)

He's staying at Leicester City because he adores the club. Everton's business strategy is the worst in the Premier League, which is why they struggle season after season.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I can not believe I had to dug it from the 4th page. The topic deserved to be on the first page. Just a little push for the new season's entry https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5458848.0

Only 14 people signed up so far. Please pay ASAP so we can get the prize spots sorted out.

That's according to the cap.
Come on everyone. We don't even have a month in hand.

[hilariousandco]

Two more people paid today so 16  players now but we're still behind schedule on sign ups.

[darxiaomi]

Hi guys! im gonna send the payment this week, but count me in as always.

Interesting league ahead, so much big teams who have to reclaim their path, between them Liverpool, Chelsea Totenham, and some tohers with good tournament b ut they need to win ASAP premier League like Manchester United.

Also i want to see how this NEwcastle with european games its gonna play.

[buwaytress]

Sorry I hadn't paid (I honestly thought I did, some misplaced memory recreated itself). Then I saw the Superbru invite from Liverpool fans ( I join anyway to see how I rank outside of this pool) and remembered, then saw I'd somehow missed all of these updates. Might a reminder to past pool players help? Pretty certain some just forgot (like me). And a link to signup thread in OP? =)

Oh and image needs replacing in OP

Maybe the first few when we only had 20 users or so. It was 0.0025 last year and the World Cup pool was 0.002 but we're getting 0.2 in sponsorship compared to nothing when we first started. £60 is still a bargain when there's a chance to 3 mBTC Free Bet each week and 0.1 for first place.

From nothing, to something small, to something not at all small, it's come a long way. Can we toast everyone who's part of this, ey?

Something tells me $70 isn't going to really affect participation.

@Ige: Klopp is not a cruel man, but a hard boss. He doesn't lie about minutes, and these players want minutes -- I actually think the Gulf challenge is even more interesting from a sporting perspective than MLS. I say Fabinho is next.

I knew Liverpool Klopp 2.0 was coming, I wasn't expecting it to be a near total recall. What do you think, LFC_Bitcoin, cryptofrka?

[cryptofrka]

I knew Liverpool Klopp 2.0 was coming, I wasn't expecting it to be a near total recall. What do you think, LFC_Bitcoin, cryptofrka?

Not sure what to tell you. I was disgusted with how our midfield performed last season, but to be honest they have been run to the ground the one before that and the break was short.
I think we would have been better this year, but I do support that Milner was allowed to leave and I hope Fabinho goes too.

Hendo is a tricky one - he had a bad season but I would have kept him. Influential player, hard working guy, decent player as well.

I feel we've changed too much and although I do like both Szoboszlai and MacAllister, I do think it will leave us vulnerable in midfield on occasions, especially since Trent will move there often as well.
If we do get Lavia, he won't fill the gap - he's too inexperienced to cover that space in a top team.

I feel we also need a more defensive RB option and another CB - Matip is done, Dijk is playing like Sakho, Gomez was always a liability and Konate I simply can't stand.

It looks like we're throwing away this season in order to be more prepared for the next one, and I'm furious when top teams do that. Time will tell tho, if the new players gel quickly we will get into the CL spots.

[swogerino]

Two more people paid today so 16  players now but we're still behind schedule on sign ups.

I am going to pay on August 9 most likely the full amount or maybe even on August 2 depending on my situation so consider me as always to be taking part and paying like I have always done,since I am here I want to ask if I can pay like last time 0.00125 Bitcoin on August 2-3 and 0.00125 Bitcoin on August 9-10,as far as I know the Premier League starts on August 12 so it should be possible to be doing again two half payments,let me know though?

On a side note it is going to be an awesome new season as most teams are doing good transfers during summer with Arsenal being at the top for me this time,maybe they want to win the Premier League title this year.

[Igebotz]

@Ige: Klopp is not a cruel man, but a hard boss. He doesn't lie about minutes, and these players want minutes -- I actually think the Gulf challenge is even more interesting from a sporting perspective than MLS. I say Fabinho is next.

Yeah, with the quality these guys are pushing there, I'm sure it'll be more interesting than MLS next season, but I'm curious how long this will last. Russia did it, China did it, and they all failed to keep these players after 2-3 seasons, with some of the Chinese clubs running into debt and being forced to sell off players. Will the Saudis be any different?

I'm going to pay my join up fees soon; for now, I'm simply tossing money at some random idiotic teams; if I showed you my betting history, you'd undoubtedly stone me to death. 

Stop using the tag "ige" I'm not getting notifications. 

[swogerino]

I'm going to pay my join up fees soon; for now, I'm simply tossing money at some random idiotic teams; if I showed you my betting history, you'd undoubtedly stone me to death. 

I am not going to show you mine as I am sure I would need to be punished harder that stoned to death  .Many have tried before me I think that by betting on tennis games with odds of a maximum 1.19 chances would have been high to win a lot of money yet I placed a 7 leg parlay with such odds only to see that I lost this,I tried to emulate back it as I thought it was just pure bad luck only to find out that in tennis is pretty f*cked up much more than in soccer and I have difficulties to understand it,but yeah I need a higher punishment as I don't think you bet on such low odds.

[Ryu_Ar1]

Klopp is not a cruel man, but a hard boss. He doesn't lie about minutes, and these players want minutes -- I actually think the Gulf challenge is even more interesting from a sporting perspective than MLS. I say Fabinho is next.

I remember what Lewandowski said in an interview about this.
Lewa, who has experienced training and being coached by Klopp, said that he was a two-faced coach and put him as his favorite coach after that Pep.
It's not without reason that he said that, because he can be like a father figure who can provide a sense of warmth but on the other hand he can also be a disciplined manager and tend to be harsh.

The season that has ended can be said he stumbled because he failed to be in the position that Liverpool always gets (Champions League zone) but now with the new season of course he doesn't want to repeat the same thing.
Currently the midfield overhaul or can be said to regenerate with some younger players will certainly make Klopp more confident to navigate the season.