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Author Topic: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.  (Read 89153 times)
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May 02, 2014, 09:23:54 AM
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I think the following is more precise and reveals what all including Peeps agree with:

Some books pay for advertising on a website which Peeps is associated with.

No Gogo, I am specifically talking about books paying Peeps to promote them in forums. I am not talking just about advertising on his website.

Peeps, if you are so certain that your ratings are unbiased then why are you not willing to put a disclosure on the opening post as to which books are paying you ?

Readers here are very smart and will be able to decide for themselves whether this has any influence or not.

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May 02, 2014, 09:40:53 AM
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I think the following is more precise and reveals what all including Peeps agree with:

Some books pay for advertising on a website which Peeps is associated with.

No Gogo, I am specifically talking about books paying Peeps to promote them in forums. I am not talking just about advertising on his website.

Peeps, if you are so certain that your ratings are unbiased then why are you not willing to put a disclosure on the opening post as to which books are paying you ?

Readers here are very smart and will be able to decide for themselves whether this has any influence or not.
Seriously, what is wrong with you? Boosblock has been posting with Reagan and I since 2003. Talk to him if you want to know our backgrounds.

No matter how many times you say something or infer, it doesn't make it true. It's also not going to change my mind. I don't have the right to divulge any business to you that PeepsPlace and Reagan have with a book. When you do that, you lose trust.

The books are the ones that get interrogated.

1. How many years of gambling experience do you have as a bookmaker?
2. How many years of experience do you have gambling?
3.. How many employees do you have at DirectBet?

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May 02, 2014, 11:42:58 AM
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@ peeps

I agree trust is a huge Issue with bitcoin books.
 
The thing about anoni is that they fall behind far and away the books that would be considered the best when it comes to utility and odds.

My point isnt other books should be A rated, they shoulnt but the question is wether anoni should be A rated?

Maybe they should recieve a Bonus point for trust but do you seriously can point out what else makes them A rated?

I think none of the books should be A rated, there just isnt a book out there that deserves that rating yet. If we go by anoni standards any book in buisiness 2 years from now would be A rated.



p.s.: can you disclose wether anoni does indeed pay you to promote them in this thread or not. I dont think there is any evidence for it but directbet seems convinced and afaik you havent clearly denied it.


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May 02, 2014, 11:56:10 AM
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DirectBet - "No Gogo, I am specifically talking about books paying Peeps to promote them in forums. I am not talking just about advertising on his website.

Peeps, if you are so certain that your ratings are unbiased then why are you not willing to put a disclosure on the opening post as to which books are paying you ?"




It appears you want to be asked to tell your story re: your knowledge of Peeps being paid to promote.

Do so - we are all ears...

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@ peeps


p.s.: can you disclose wether anoni does indeed pay you to promote them in this thread or not. I dont think there is any evidence for it but directbet seems convinced and afaik you havent clearly denied it.



Peeps - You've ignored me twice when I point out you never instituted listing whether a book has manual or automatic withdrawals.
 Why?

DirectBet, as you know, says it's because you are paid to promote Anonibet, and since they are manual withdrawals you are avoiding listing the manner of withdrawal for all books.
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May 02, 2014, 12:12:15 PM
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Hi folks,

Happy Friday to us all!

Just a short note from us here at Cloudbet.

The operators should be the ones under scrutiny here. It's useful - and important - that we operators have a place to exchange feedback with our clients and with the betting community. It's important for us to continue to have objective open dialog with the folks who use our service. It's invaluable. It helps us understand the concerns our clients have, needs and demands they have, and is extremely useful in helping us make improvements to our product and service offering. Negative feedback is most helpful -- it teaches us the most. We must continue to strive to improve the quality of our products and services.

I would implore all operators who post here to allow the betting community to post their comments without confrontation. We - at least us here at Cloudbet - have a lot to learn from them, despite our team having been in the industry for nearly 10 years and in some cases much longer.

We're rated a B, or a C, or something. It doesn't matter what criteria the raters use, we can't influence that. What matters is the feedback we receive, that empowers us to improve the quality and breadth of our service. Please - be harsh, be critical, be brutal even, but be honest and objective.

Here's hoping all of your parlays hit this weekend!

Cheers,
Cloudbet

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May 02, 2014, 03:09:22 PM
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p.s.: can you disclose wether anoni does indeed pay you to promote them in this thread or not. I dont think there is any evidence for it but directbet seems convinced and afaik you havent clearly denied it.



Peeps - You've ignored me twice when I point out you never instituted listing whether a book has manual or automatic withdrawals.
 Why?

DirectBet, as you know, says it's because you are paid to promote Anonibet, and since they are manual withdrawals you are avoiding listing the manner of withdrawal for all books.
gogo- There are lots of things that I would like to add. As I said this is voluntary. If you put together a list on how withdrawals are made, then I will add it.

Anonibet said not to mention their name, don't back us and take us off the rating board. That's the only thing a book asked me to do here. I decided not to do it since all books are going to be up for the posting community.

Advertising discussed is for Peep's Place only and Reagan makes the final decision. We should all hope, including DirectBet, that more cash players convert to bitcoins.

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May 02, 2014, 03:36:05 PM
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DirectBet doesn't have any idea of what's been talked about with other books.

Let's get back on track. DirectBet:

1. How many years of gambling experience do you have as a bookmaker?
2. How many years of experience do you have gambling?
3.. How many employees do you have at DirectBet?

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May 02, 2014, 04:18:26 PM
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Hi folks,

Happy Friday to us all!

Just a short note from us here at Cloudbet.

The operators should be the ones under scrutiny here. It's useful - and important - that we operators have a place to exchange feedback with our clients and with the betting community. It's important for us to continue to have objective open dialog with the folks who use our service. It's invaluable. It helps us understand the concerns our clients have, needs and demands they have, and is extremely useful in helping us make improvements to our product and service offering. Negative feedback is most helpful -- it teaches us the most. We must continue to strive to improve the quality of our products and services.

I would implore all operators who post here to allow the betting community to post their comments without confrontation. We - at least us here at Cloudbet - have a lot to learn from them, despite our team having been in the industry for nearly 10 years and in some cases much longer.

We're rated a B, or a C, or something. It doesn't matter what criteria the raters use, we can't influence that. What matters is the feedback we receive, that empowers us to improve the quality and breadth of our service. Please - be harsh, be critical, be brutal even, but be honest and objective.

Here's hoping all of your parlays hit this weekend!

Cheers,
Cloudbet
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May 02, 2014, 07:25:53 PM
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DirectBet- No books pay to operate or post on Bitcointalk. It's not even discussed.

That's an interesting twist.

For days we are having this discussion. At no point did you deny that certain Bitcoin Sportbooks are paying you to advertise them on forums. Neither of the books denied that either.

You kept avoiding the question and downplaying the responsibility to your boss.

Now you suddenly deny it and claim that it wasn't even discussed, so we have no other choice but to reveal what happened :

Several weeks ago Peeps contacted the top Bitcoin sports betting sites and invited them to advertise on his website, http://www.peepsplace.com

The advertisement deal specifically included promoting the books in forums :



We rejected the offer, but Peeps kept nudging several times :



We still refused to take the offer, but apparently others did take it.

Shortly afterwards, Peeps tailored the ratings and criteria on this thread so that the Bitcoin sportbooks that purchased his advertisement deal will also be on top of his ratings list.

Peeps had a lot of good things to say about us, he praised us on e-mails and forums, he was also betting on our website regularly and he even signed up as an affiliate, but after we rejected to purchase his advertisement deal, Peeps suddenly started discrediting us and posting false information, and a few hours after we questioned our rating, it was reduced to C.

I invite you to read more on this matter and see for yourself :

At the beginning, when this ratings thread started, there was a list of criteria that was used to determine the rating of each sportsbook. We were given a rating of B and Anonibet were the top rated sportsbook with a rating of A.

I went over the list of criteria, one by one, and proved that in each and every category we are as good or better than Anonibet. And so I asked Peeps why we are rated lower ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg6137493#msg6137493

Just a few hours later the ratings criteria have suddenly changed !!! so that Anonibet can be the only Bitcoin Sportsbook with a rating of A and they were also granted the max possible rating of A, on top of all other books. Our rating on the other hand was reduced to C.

During the following days, there have been several reports here on Anonibet retroactively canceling bets, delaying withdrawals, limiting bet sizes and bet selections and various other negative feedback. Players were saying they will never bet there again, that they do not deserve to be the top rated, but their rating remains a firm A, on top of all other sportbooks, and Peeps ignored all comments.

As a result, we claim that this ratings guide has turned into a disguised advertising vehicle for Anonibet.

That's when we questioned the rating for the second time :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg6452025#msg6452025

It's time to put a stop to this practice, where hustlers are asking Bitcoin Sportsbooks for payments in order to get a good review and rating, or else they get discredited in forums along with a reduced rating.

Peeps is in a conflict of interests as he is getting paid by some Bitcoin Sportbooks to advertise them on his website and promote them in forums and therefore he does not have the authority or creditability to rate Bitcoin Sportbooks.

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What you say is unethical.

Unethical?

Why?
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May 02, 2014, 08:12:02 PM
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What you say is unethical. We plug in promotional sections at other forums. I'm in an airport so will reply tonight if I don't finish. We plug at cash forums to turn them into bitcoin books. We also send out articles in publications.

Look at the date of my PMs. Your book has drastically changed since then. You no longer have line lines because of the hold on bets. This means that DirectBet is now useless. Your theoretical hold is outrageous.

You keep spreading false information about us.

You were betting in-play on DirectBet several times during April, as recent as April 26th, just 3 days before this story broke out, then you come here and say that we are useless ?

Why instead don't you give us credit for offering bets that were not available by your top rated books ?


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You say peeps tailored the rating so that only the books who took his deal would be top rated.

So it would have to be coincidence that, the books who took the offer are also the longest operating to fit his criteria. And to add to that the books who took offer are also the most popular?

Peeps also said that it was the users who demanded the ruling be changed, I didnt confirm it but I tend to believe it because I think he would have been called for it hadnt it been so.

There has been a new thread to rate books based on user votes, the ratings there are congruent with the ratings here.

The offer to go around to plug you in forums doesnt mean it has to be this thread because this is not a plugging but a user generated rating thread. If the community didnt agree it would abondon this thread.

I have not seen any plugging for any specific books here , just user generated content. The ratings on the startpage are more or less accepted by users who have used the books. Again I agree anoni is overrated but youre theory that anoni specificlly paid for beeing the only A rated book doesnt hold up under close scrutiny.

You should take an example on cloudbet who have the same rating as you but have recieved good reviews here from me and others , something that cant be said about you.


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So it would have to be coincidence that, the books who took the offer are also the longest operating to fit his criteria. And to add to that the books who took offer are also the most popular?

This is not a coincidence. The ratings criteria were changed AFTER the books started paying him to promote them in forums.

At the beginning, when this ratings thread started, there was a long list of 11 criteria that was used to determine the rating of each sportsbook. Book opening date was # 4 in importance, as you can see here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg4979844#msg4979844

After the advertisement deal, Peeps figured it would be best for his books if he removes all criteria and leave just one - the book opening date.

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Peeps also said that it was the users who demanded the ruling be changed, I didnt confirm it but I tend to believe it because I think he would have been called for it hadnt it been so.

Initially, it was Peeps who suggested it, then some agreed, but they agreed to cap the max rating, not to automatically award the max rating based on how long the book is in business.

If you follow this thread you will see a constant pattern :

When posters suggest changes that favor Anonibet rating, Peeps implements them.

When posters provide negative feedback on Anonibet or suggest changes that might negatively affect their score, Peeps ignores them.

See this post :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg6487920#msg6487920

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I've looked through quite a few books and I haven't been able to find a book offering exotics for the Kentucky Derby. Any suggestions for abook with a lot of horse betting options?
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I've looked through quite a few books and I haven't been able to find a book offering exotics for the Kentucky Derby. Any suggestions for abook with a lot of horse betting options?
We are offering odds on the Derby, as well as some promotions for the Mayweather fight tomorrow.

Feel free to check us out, as well as our blog for up to date promotions.

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What you say is unethical.

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Why?
It's unethical to rate the books for pay at bitcointalk since the ratings are for this community.

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DirectBet- I really don't care that you posted my emails without my approval. It only backs my case.

In the future you do not want to do this to others, especially coming from a sports book. Trust is very important and a book under no circumstances should post private correspondences or personal information without prior approval.



DirectBet- Please keep your posts to your book. Questions outside of this will be answered in your thread.

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Took another payout from coindrafts that took about 3 hours.

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What you say is unethical. We plug in promotional sections at other forums. I'm in an airport so will reply tonight if I don't finish. We plug at cash forums to turn them into bitcoin books. We also send out articles in publications.

Look at the date of my PMs. Your book has drastically changed since then. You no longer have line lines because of the hold on bets. This means that DirectBet is now useless. Your theoretical hold is outrageous.

You keep spreading false information about us.

You were betting in-play on DirectBet several times during April, as recent as April 26th, just 3 days before this story broke out, then you come here and say that we are useless ?

Why instead don't you give us credit for offering bets that were not available by your top rated books ?


I tried to play. Me bets were getting rejected. Some said pending and then 5 seconds later said rejected. That's why I'm saying that your book has become useless. You were good months ago but changes have been made.

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