#1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.

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Anonibet launches its Affiliate Program

Anonibet, the first and oldest Bitcoin Sportsbook and Casino, is proud to announce the lauch of our Affiliate program, where we are offering stellar rates for those who help in directing potential customers to the leader of the Bitcoin Sportsbook and Casino Industry. For those who will join, you have your work cut out as you will be promoting something that is well established and is bound to last long. The aim of our affiliate Program is not only to widen our marketing platform, but it is also  promote our payment method Bitcoin. The registration process is easy and all terms relating to it can be found on the Anonibet Affiliate home page. We look forward to a long and fruitful relationship with our affiliates. please click the following link to register and start earning Bitcoins: http://anonibet.postaffiliatepro.com/affiliates/

[heruspex]

With so many BTC books out now which are the books that are dimeline mlb baseball? BTC only betting books not the ones that convert to $ Thanks, could be other coins too.

look at webetcoins.com - they are dimeline baseabll

use my referralname - heruspex if you register

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BetOWI is paying players but there have been some long delays. Poster lonilon at SBR

Guys, Betowi also blocked access to my account. Have a look at what they say on live chat...


.... Hello Jamie

jamie: hi how mayi help you
.... my account is locked

jamie: yes your account is closed for Wagering

jamie: your balance will get sent to you
...ok

... That what I want too

jamie: ok

jamie: ok perfect we will be sending funds in the future to you via that method.
... in future, means?

jamie: in the future I can not give an exact date

.... I'm waiting almost a month for my withdrawal

jamie: but your balance will get sent to you

jamie: well unfortunately payments take a little longer when players play with us from outside the US

.... I don't know what's the problem in the era of internet, of payapal and etc

....this is not normal
jamie: its not normal for European sportsbooks

.... iS NOT normal for no one

... you got the deposit instantly

jamie: yes it is

jamie: Bovada take 3 months to pay players

....: Ok, have a look to my thread on sportsbookreview.com what people say

jamie: Did you say that no Latin America ** sends to ALbania ?

.... that's not true. I have received several times from south america. And I have send the deposit to south america too
jamie: may i give you a little advise please
jamie: if you wish to take it , it is up to you

jamie: it makes no difference what is said on SBR

jamie: or on any forum

jamie: for that matter

.... I'm desperate to take my money, that's the reason I created it

jamie: we will get your payment processed as soon as possible until then please remain patient

jamie: the reason you created what the thread ?

... yes

jamie: yes but that is not the right way to go about things

.... I'll remove it when get paid

jamie: but that's your deciosn

jamie: it doesn't matter it is already done

.... And I will submit this conversation too

jamie: you cant go back and delete it

...: especially that bovada thing

jamie: and it makes no difference ....
.... No I can say that I got paid

jamie: ok but all the negativity that was created by your thread remains

jamie: Listen we are going around in circles

jamie: i will speak to the people in the payments dept again and ensure they have your paypal information

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Anonibet.com joins the Bitcoin Foundation as Gold Member

Anonibet, the oldest Bitcoin Sportsbook  and Casino , is now a Gold member of the most recognized bitcoin hub, the Bitcoin Foundation. The move is not much of a surprise as Anonibet, which was founded in 2011 has been the standout leader in Bitcoin Sports Betting and Casino.

Since 2011, Anonibet has been a fervent believer and supporter of the Bitcoin, from the times when a Bitcoin was worth a fraction of the dollar, to the point where it was worth a more than a thousand, to now, where we still believe the currency of freedom will stand firm and liberate the way transactions are governed. The reason we have joined the Bitcoin Foundation is because we are grateful for the works that have been done by the Foundation since September 2012. When the foundation was formed, Anonibet had been in existence for 10 months and we are first hand evidence as to how the Foundation has changed the face of Bitcoin as we have been in the industry in the pre Bitcoin Foundation era. We are very much pleased in the way they have advocated and lobbied  for the survival of the bitcoin. The Foundation has done a very remarkable job for the whole Bitcoin Industry therefore it is more than deserving for all the support we can give to it and we shall do as much as we can to make this Gold membership be a fitting example to  all other Bitcoin Sportsbooks.

In as much as we are perceived to be on top, Anonibet is not stopping when it comes to improving and developing our service and we are working round the clock to provide a product that is subtle and can blend with the shine of the Bitcoin. We recently launched our Live Customer Support Service, and that has seen a major improvement in our customer relations. We are also proud to announce that our long awaited Affiliate Program has been launched few days ago therefore we urge all those with the desire and need to work with us to be ready to join us as we move on with the revolution.

[Gogo ppp]

Nitrogensports.eu is down.

Nitrogensports - Can you post here and let us know what's going on?

[Gogo ppp]

Nitrogensports.eu is down.

Nitrogensports - Can you post here and let us know what's going on?

Many are having the same problem:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355081.740

[Gogo ppp]

Nitrogensports.eu is down.

Nitrogensports - Can you post here and let us know what's going on?

Many are having the same problem:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355081.740

Peeps - Do you have a way to contact them (other than the support email address)?

[Rating Place]

Nitrogensports.eu is down.

Nitrogensports - Can you post here and let us know what's going on?

Many are having the same problem:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355081.740

Peeps - Do you have a way to contact them (other than the support email address)?

I just saw this and they look to be back up. If not let me know and I normally can get a hold of someone almost immediately.

[chaosPT]

Nitrogensports.eu is down.

Nitrogensports - Can you post here and let us know what's going on?

Many are having the same problem:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355081.740

Peeps - Do you have a way to contact them (other than the support email address)?

I just saw this and they look to be back up. If not let me know and I normally can get a hold of someone almost immediately.

Yes they are back up and i have no problem betting over there 

[Rating Place]

Nitrogensports.eu is down.

Nitrogensports - Can you post here and let us know what's going on?

Many are having the same problem:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355081.740

Peeps - Do you have a way to contact them (other than the support email address)?

I just saw this and they look to be back up. If not let me know and I normally can get a hold of someone almost immediately.

Yes they are back up and i have no problem betting over there 

Good to hear.

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http://news.rouletters.com/caution-is-advised-as-new-ratings-for-bitcoin-sportsbooks-are-released-0002339.html

June 29, 2014Angela Burrows
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As the World Cup knock-out round continues, gamblers are advised to be careful when it comes to choosing sportsbooks that use bitcoins. The anonymity that makes bitcoin so attractive to sports bettors also carries a risk; sportsbooks can easily vanish overnight and take its deposits with them. Peeps Place, the gold standard when it comes to rating bitcoin sportsbooks, says this is a dangerous point of time for sports bettors.

“The World Cup is the most popular time for hit and run books. After that it’s the Super Bowl. I’m not saying that the new kids on the block are necessarily bad books,” says the poster Peeps Place at Bitcointalk.org. “The odds say that some will be out of business shortly after the World Cup walking off with funds. This is not the time to test out new books.”

Anonibet, the oldest and most reputable of bitcoin books, keeps improving its game and maintains its A rating. Anonibet is now adding more betting options for Americans, including competitive lines for baseball and the WNBA. They recently became a Gold Member of the Bitcoin Foundation, a further sign that Anonibet is focusing on the long-term when it comes to the sportsbook business. Anonibet is celebrating the World Cup by offering a 22 bitcoin contest for its customers.

NitrogenSports remains the sole B rated book. Like Anonibet, Nitrogen is running a huge bitcoin contest for the World Cup, giving away 20 bitcoins over the duration of the tournament.

Casinobitco.in remains at C+ but may soon be joining Nitrogen Sports in the B category. A solid book since opening business in June 2013, the Panama-based Casinobitco.com offers competitive prices with a focus on American sports.

Complete ratings from Peeps Place:

“A” rated books
Anonibet A (in business since 2011)

“B”rated books
NitrogenSports B+ (2012)

“C” rated books
Casinobitcoin C+ (2013)
Cloudbet C+ (2013)
SBObitcoin C+ (2013)
DirectBet C (2013)
Betcoinsports C (2013)
Jetwin C- (2013)
BetOWI C- (2014)
Bitbm C- (2013)

“D” rated books
Coindraft D+ (2014)
Roadbet D+ (2012)
BetVIP D+ (2014)
Bitcoinlivebets D- (2013)

“F” rated books
BetCas F
Bitcoinsport F
Coinbet F
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC

[Rating Place]

Cloudbet cut their rollover requirements in half during the World Cup.

Hi folks,

We've just launched a new World Cup Bonus promotion.

Receive a 100% bonus up to 1 BTC when you make a deposit of any amount during the FIFA World Cup.

Your bonus will be credited to your Cloudbet bonus account within 24 hours and released to your regular account at a rate of 0.01 BTC for every 600 loyalty points earned – that’s 50% faster than our First Deposit Bonus

There’s more!  Make a deposit of 1 BTC or more, and once you've fully cleared the bonus we’ll give you another 1 BTC for free - straight up, no strings attached!

View promotion details at https://www.cloudbet.com/en/brazil_fifa_world_cup_2014_bonus

Make a deposit and activate your bonus at http://cbet.ly/1pmflJN

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Cheers,
Cloudbet

[Gogo ppp]

Personally I would recommend lowering NitrogenSports' rating, as well as putting a warning next to it.

The site has been going offline for over a month - here are just a few mentions from their thread:

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Site down today at 6:09 cst? We love yall! hope everything works out.
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I am trying for 30 minutes but site not working for me is there any problem please give some updates about this
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Gateway issues on mobile and now I cant place bets for the next world cup game
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This is not the first time your site has crashed or gateway timeouts right before big matchs and I couldnt get my bet in,, this is unacceptable from a sportsbook.. please fix the issues
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Early this am the site was offline for almost 5 hours.

But much worse, no one from the site posted in their thread at bitcointalk.org, no one (as far as I know from their thread and from my own experience) responded to pm's, email, their Twitter, their Facebook, etc.

This level of non-response is unacceptable and unprofessional, and no book should behave this way and have a B+.

Here is their thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355081.740

Read the comments of their players - many were understandably worried about their funds.

For example:


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SQLSTATE[HY000] [2002] Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)


That's the one I'm getting too.
Also getting no replies from their Twitter account.
Worrying."
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still waiting to get compensated for the first few times this has happened  Cheesy The #1 thing that sucks here is our funds are tied up in Nitro and we can;t access the site. Maybe we should start withdrawling before we go to bed"
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'This is where it's really a failure on a book's part not to have at least one person always on duty.
Someone should be in here from nitrogen giving us an explanation and update when there's a situation like this.'

Correct.
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Not only all of this, but they've now been back up for 10.5 hours, and not a word about this from them in their thread.
No apology, no acknowledgement, no explanation.


Up until this point, for my purposes Nitrogen was the best btc book.

But if I ever give them any more business - which is questionable - I will no longer deposit anymore than the amount of a bet, and will withdraw as soon as I win.
And even then, I don't feel secure.
This will also cost them a lot of the  business I was giving them, as I was leaving btc on deposit there. With many bets I make I won't have time to get them the bet amount and get the bet in, so will be using other books for many bets.

Are these growing pains or something more serious?

I don't know.
But I do know that their behaviour is 100% unprofessional. And totally unacceptable.

It takes a long time to build trust, but that trust can easily and quickly be permanently lost.

Incidents like this remind us that we are giving our funds to businesses with no names, no addresses, no phone numbers, no registration, no legal requirements of any kind as officially they don't exist.

[Rating Place]

I'll contact Nitrogen to see if they would like to address the problems that Gogo has listed.

[CryptoVortex]

Peeps Place, or anyone else interested, do you think that we could use a prediction market to provide a measure of trust for bitcoin sportsbooks?  This would provide a means for skeptical bettors to hedge against the risk of fraud. 

One problem with this plan is whether anyone would be willing to bet that the book was not going to disappear (or whatever the contract specified).  At a minimum, the sportsbook itself should be willing to provide some bids to help build confidence.  After all, if they are legit, they would be betting on an outcome that they control.  The only excuse they would have to not do this is a desire not to tie up the capital.  However, they could roll this over as contracts expired.  Any sportsbook lacking the capital required to do this should be extremely worrisome for that reason alone.

An additional issue with this plan is, of course, the reliability of the prediction market itself.  There seem to be a few of these that have now emerged as fairly stable.  Some, such as Predictious, have also demonstrated a level of transparency that is, so far, unheard of among the sportsbooks themselves.  (At least they have an address, a verifiable company name and a legal jurisdiction!)  Ironically, some of the legal limitations that are a principal reason for both sportsbook owners and players to prefer anonymity might not apply to a bet on whether the sportsbook would "go Madoff".

The final challenge I see would be structuring the contract in an objective way, allowing verification without requiring the prediction market to launch a huge investigation.   This is an issue, but I think that it could be addressed.

A couple of near-term examples would be:

  "Nitrogensports / Anonibet to pay out 20 BTC World Cup contest bonus." 

Since these books have taken pains to provide transparency to these contests, it should be possible to verify these outcomes.  In effect, the bonus amount could be held in escrow by the market. Players participating in these contests could do so with confidence, and could hedge against the fraud risk, if desired.

Has this been suggested, or even tried, before?

[NitrogenSports]

Personally...

Hey gogo,

We understand how you are feeling and share your frustrations.

A lot of things have happened over the last few weeks, one of which our user base has had a surge (especially since world cup) and we are definitely going through some growing pains due to this.

With so many new members, our website started to slow down during peak hours, which is why we recently did a hardware upgrade.

This upgrade has virtually eliminated the slowness issues, and should set us up to be able to more seamlessly handle growth. The server upgrade was a big project (with a lot of moving parts) and was the cause of the downtime this morning. We do our best to anticipate these types of issues and let our users know when we plan downtime. In the past we've been good with using twitter or the forums to let people know when we are offline (planned or unplanned) but we agree that this communication broke down today.

In addition to the scaling / user growth side of things, as we are getting more popular we are also having to deal more frequently with DDOS attacks.

This is a quote from our hosting company:

"The DDOS attack suffered was MASSIVE. Literally millions of IPs pointed at our network. We had to block several of our circuits completely to stop saturating the DC's backbone Internet connections "

International routing channels were actually switched over due to the size of this attack and several FIAT books in CR were also affected during the period.

DDOS attacks are another item that is on our radar, and unfortunately there is no "quick fix".

Again, we absolutely share your frustration, nothing is worse for us than the website going down and we are always working to bring it back up if/when these incidents occur.

One thing you can be sure of is that we will always put our customers first. While some of these things are out of our control, the team is planning to compensate our users for the downtime that's been experienced this last while as a show of good faith and our commitment to excellent customer service despite the recent outages. Stay checked into our thread for more information on that this week.

Thanks again for your message, and we hope our transparency has alleviated most of your concerns. If you need anything else, don't hesitate to ask us here, or through a support ticket or email.

Thanks

[BetVIP]

Peeps Place, or anyone else interested, do you think that we could use a prediction market to provide a measure of trust for bitcoin sportsbooks?  This would provide a means for skeptical bettors to hedge against the risk of fraud. 

One problem with this plan is whether anyone would be willing to bet that the book was not going to disappear (or whatever the contract specified).  At a minimum, the sportsbook itself should be willing to provide some bids to help build confidence.  After all, if they are legit, they would be betting on an outcome that they control.  The only excuse they would have to not do this is a desire not to tie up the capital.  However, they could roll this over as contracts expired.  Any sportsbook lacking the capital required to do this should be extremely worrisome for that reason alone.

An additional issue with this plan is, of course, the reliability of the prediction market itself.  There seem to be a few of these that have now emerged as fairly stable.  Some, such as Predictious, have also demonstrated a level of transparency that is, so far, unheard of among the sportsbooks themselves.  (At least they have an address, a verifiable company name and a legal jurisdiction!)  Ironically, some of the legal limitations that are a principal reason for both sportsbook owners and players to prefer anonymity might not apply to a bet on whether the sportsbook would "go Madoff".

The final challenge I see would be structuring the contract in an objective way, allowing verification without requiring the prediction market to launch a huge investigation.   This is an issue, but I think that it could be addressed.

A couple of near-term examples would be:

  "Nitrogensports / Anonibet to pay out 20 BTC World Cup contest bonus." 

Since these books have taken pains to provide transparency to these contests, it should be possible to verify these outcomes.  In effect, the bonus amount could be held in escrow by the market. Players participating in these contests could do so with confidence, and could hedge against the fraud risk, if desired.

Has this been suggested, or even tried, before?

Hi CryptoVortex,

Why not try betting with the only licensed Bitcoin sportsbook out there and put your mind at ease? We are a transparent, licensed business and have been featured in the Wall Street Journal among others:
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/06/12/for-the-world-cup-place-your-bitbets/

Kind regards,
BetVIP

[Gogo ppp]

Hey gogo,

We understand how you are feeling and share your frustrations...


Again, we absolutely share your frustration, nothing is worse for us than the website going down and we are always working to bring it back up if/when these incidents occur.

One thing you can be sure of is that we will always put our customers first. While some of these things are out of our control...

"One thing you can be sure of is that we will always put our customers first."

The treatment of your customers last night put them last, not first.


"The server upgrade was a big project (with a lot of moving parts) and was the cause of the downtime this morning."

So you had this downtime planned, yet made no mention of it in advance on the website or in this thread.

When it went down, you left your customers with their funds tied up in your book and unable to make bets at Nitrogen or elsewhere.

Numerous people attempted to contact you through this thread, emails, Twitter, Facebook, pm's, and there was ZERO response by anyone in your company for the FIVE HOURS the site was down despite constant attempts by many people to contact you.
(Actually, there was zero response until the above post of yours, 19 hours after the event, and only because I posted about it and you are responding to my post).

Numerous people worried that their funds were lost/stolen.

But it's all ok - because "One thing you can be sure of is that we will always put our customers first."

The hypocrisy of this comment makes it even more doubtful that I will be  doing any further business with NitrogenSports.

[BetMoose]

Peeps Place, or anyone else interested, do you think that we could use a prediction market to provide a measure of trust for bitcoin sportsbooks?  This would provide a means for skeptical bettors to hedge against the risk of fraud.  

One problem with this plan is whether anyone would be willing to bet that the book was not going to disappear (or whatever the contract specified).  At a minimum, the sportsbook itself should be willing to provide some bids to help build confidence.  After all, if they are legit, they would be betting on an outcome that they control.  The only excuse they would have to not do this is a desire not to tie up the capital.  However, they could roll this over as contracts expired.  Any sportsbook lacking the capital required to do this should be extremely worrisome for that reason alone.

An additional issue with this plan is, of course, the reliability of the prediction market itself.  There seem to be a few of these that have now emerged as fairly stable.  Some, such as Predictious, have also demonstrated a level of transparency that is, so far, unheard of among the sportsbooks themselves.  (At least they have an address, a verifiable company name and a legal jurisdiction!)  Ironically, some of the legal limitations that are a principal reason for both sportsbook owners and players to prefer anonymity might not apply to a bet on whether the sportsbook would "go Madoff".

The final challenge I see would be structuring the contract in an objective way, allowing verification without requiring the prediction market to launch a huge investigation.   This is an issue, but I think that it could be addressed.

A couple of near-term examples would be:

  "Nitrogensports / Anonibet to pay out 20 BTC World Cup contest bonus."  

Since these books have taken pains to provide transparency to these contests, it should be possible to verify these outcomes.  In effect, the bonus amount could be held in escrow by the market. Players participating in these contests could do so with confidence, and could hedge against the fraud risk, if desired.

Has this been suggested, or even tried, before?

You could put this up on BetMoose without any real involvement of us (the exchange). The host (you) will be responsible for the resolution. You get paid commissions for the 'bet' so you could take this up as a community effort. Also, you have flexibility for selecting any conditions and specific (to the minute) outcome times.

Feel free to to PM me and we can help set you up with a private/password protected contract if you're interested.

I for one would be interested in seeing how many of the 'legit' sportsbooks would be open to entering into such a collateral, and how many would outright oppose it.

P.S: We are also 'real' and if this has enough volume behind it we could have a private information-share agreement, so that's not a big concern.

[Rating Place]

Peeps Place, or anyone else interested, do you think that we could use a prediction market to provide a measure of trust for bitcoin sportsbooks?  This would provide a means for skeptical bettors to hedge against the risk of fraud.  

One problem with this plan is whether anyone would be willing to bet that the book was not going to disappear (or whatever the contract specified).  At a minimum, the sportsbook itself should be willing to provide some bids to help build confidence.  After all, if they are legit, they would be betting on an outcome that they control.  The only excuse they would have to not do this is a desire not to tie up the capital.  However, they could roll this over as contracts expired.  Any sportsbook lacking the capital required to do this should be extremely worrisome for that reason alone.

An additional issue with this plan is, of course, the reliability of the prediction market itself.  There seem to be a few of these that have now emerged as fairly stable.  Some, such as Predictious, have also demonstrated a level of transparency that is, so far, unheard of among the sportsbooks themselves.  (At least they have an address, a verifiable company name and a legal jurisdiction!)  Ironically, some of the legal limitations that are a principal reason for both sportsbook owners and players to prefer anonymity might not apply to a bet on whether the sportsbook would "go Madoff".

The final challenge I see would be structuring the contract in an objective way, allowing verification without requiring the prediction market to launch a huge investigation.   This is an issue, but I think that it could be addressed.

A couple of near-term examples would be:

  "Nitrogensports / Anonibet to pay out 20 BTC World Cup contest bonus."  

Since these books have taken pains to provide transparency to these contests, it should be possible to verify these outcomes.  In effect, the bonus amount could be held in escrow by the market. Players participating in these contests could do so with confidence, and could hedge against the fraud risk, if desired.

Has this been suggested, or even tried, before?

You could put this up on BetMoose without any real involvement of us (the exchange). The host (you) will be responsible for the resolution. You get paid commissions for the 'bet' so you could take this up as a community effort. Also, you have flexibility for selecting any conditions and specific (to the minute) outcome times.

Feel free to to PM me and we can help set you up with a private/password protected contract if you're interested.

I for one would be interested in seeing how many of the 'legit' sportsbooks would be open to entering into such a collateral, and how many would outright oppose it.

P.S: We are also 'real' and if this has enough volume behind it we could have a private information-share agreement, so that's not a big concern.

the one problem that I see, if I'm understanding this completely, is that there is just another possibility of not being paid by enacting a program spelled out above.