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[morituri13]

IE this has nothing to do with control. The BlackCoin Foundation is a group of investors. None of the coin devs are in our group. We have no control. Think of the BlackCoin Foundation like you and your wife. We are a family that just wants the best for BlackCoin...

Your concerns are noted and we discussed them at great length, truthfully. It was not an easy decision. We were concerned about timing, how far along the coin was currently, are we ready in terms of coin features and coding...

At the end of the day we decided to at least get the ball rolling. We are going to try this for 90 days, and if it doesn't work the BlackCoin Foundation will be the hardest hit. But if it does work, the COMMUNITY has the most to gain.

I look forward to it. I think its exciting and I consider it a once in a lifetime opportunity to be here with this community right now.

[goblynn]

how about somebody raises money to tattoo a blackcoin on their face!

[ProsperousWealth]

I don't know why everybody thinks things have to be an either/or proposition, personally, I have donated to both Iconic's plan and the BlackCoin Foundation fund. I wish I could foresee the future, but the best analogy I can use is throwing mud on the wall, when you throw mud on a wall, some of it will stick and some of it won't. I don't know if either of these plans will work, but I'm willing to give to both because I want BlackCoin to succeed and it's not a BlackCoin Foundation vs. Iconic thing, it's about BlackCoin and I hope both plans are hugely successful, because BlackCoin will win and if BlackCoin wins, we win.

yes this x10000

why can't we all coexist independently while working toward the same vision: blackcoins longterm growth and sustained value

enough of this bipartisan bullshit. there is not OR we can do EVERYTHING. these efforts aren't mutually exclusive and aren't going to take attention or focus away from blackcoin or its goal, in fact, they both support the goal greatly.

enough with the ego clashes please guys. lets engage in competitive cooperation instead of pure competition spurned by ego and popularity.

if there is anything I've learned in my 7 years as a professional poker player is that there is no 1 right way to play a poker hand, the more creative you get and more risks you take, the more you are going to succeed and be rewarded.

ICONICEXPERT: I love you're enthusiasm and guerilla marketing tactics: they have done wonders for this coin and community. you don't need the official support of the self appointed foundation, please keep up the creative great work.

COMMUNITY: we can all coexist and run these promos and marketing efforts concurrently, we don't need to create drama and tension. please find a more constructive way to engage in conversation and criticisms because the way we are currently operating is self destructive.

thanks for reading.

[Ximp]

Great news guys! This will definitely give credibility and publicity to blackcoin in an unprecedented manner! This is the real start of something big!

[Jabulon]

I don't know why everybody thinks things have to be an either/or proposition, personally, I have donated to both Iconic's plan and the BlackCoin Foundation fund. I wish I could foresee the future, but the best analogy I can use is throwing mud on the wall, when you throw mud on a wall, some of it will stick and some of it won't. I don't know if either of these plans will work, but I'm willing to give to both because I want BlackCoin to succeed and it's not a BlackCoin Foundation vs. Iconic thing, it's about BlackCoin and I hope both plans are hugely successful, because BlackCoin will win and if BlackCoin wins, we win.

yes this x10000

why can't we all coexist independently while working toward the same vision: blackcoins longterm growth and sustained value

enough of this bipartisan bullshit. there is not OR we can do EVERYTHING. these efforts aren't mutually exclusive and aren't going to take attention or focus away from blackcoin or its goal, in fact, they both support the goal greatly.

enough with the ego clashes please guys. lets engage in competitive cooperation instead of pure competition spurned by ego and popularity.

if there is anything I've learned in my 7 years as a professional poker player is that there is no 1 right way to play a poker hand, the more creative you get and more risks you take, the more you are going to succeed and be rewarded.

ICONICEXPERT: I love you're enthusiasm and guerilla marketing tactics: they have done wonders for this coin and community. you don't need the official support of the self appointed foundation, please keep up the creative great work.

COMMUNITY: we can all coexist and run these promos and marketing efforts concurrently, we don't need to create drama and tension. please find a more constructive way to engage in conversation and criticisms because the way we are currently operating is self destructive.

thanks for reading.

Well said, both of you. I was just typing to Roulette a moment ago:

Yes. Either/or thinking is one of the hobgoblins to avoid. And your mud-on-wall analogy has, unfortunately, a great deal of truth to it. Most of all, I advocate respect and gratitude for our different efforts. Bear in mind, a right move is often arrived at through a series of questionable moves. Let each follow his own lights. Time will tell all. And thank god for our DIFFERENCES.

[coinpredator(return)]

Sorry, but me too I have to admit that maybe it's too expensive for now, it's a great idea but each has to go with it's own capacities/capabilities.....and what is going to be worth if we don't have money to execute the plan..

and I'm pretty sure we can find ideas or find someone skilled to do so....

its pretty much the same price as that wall street promotion but instead of 2 hours of talking to random people in the street, this promotion will last 90 days and target the people that will actually be interested in this. they have already raised $15000..seems like a much better deal

Finally someone making sense..

Who ever goes against this Idea clearly has no idea what they are talking about. This plan targets specifically the media outlets that we need.  

Mark Cuban the Multi Billionaire doesn't know what he is talking about? http://www.businessinsider.com/why-startups-shouldnt-hire-pr-firms-2012-1#!Htx93

Can't say I would ever quote Mark Cuban in anything related to business. Mark Cuban is an incredibly lucky guy who sold his .com to one of the stupidest, biggest .com's at the peak of the .com bubble. As much as he thinks he is, he's no Warren Buffett and given the choice of having PR advice from the Ogilvy's of the world or Cuban, I suspect most wise and experienced business-folk would go the way of an Ogilvy.

With that said, I'm absolutely amazed and astounded that you can't step back and see how BlackCoin hiring a PR firm is NOT a good idea.
Look at the facts:
-Will all due respect after watching yesterday's BlackCoinCast the BlackCoin team, for all intents and purposes, is made up of ultra-nerds to the power of 10. Their forte is coding and crypto's.
-BlackCoin does not have the capital to hire and pay the ongoing salaries of a Marketing/PR Director and team. Yes, taking BlackCoin to where it should be requires a team with years of social media experience to wrangle the message of why the ordinary man/woman/child needs BlackCoin.
-There are many marketing plans going every which way here on BitCoinTalk, creating a massive amount of noise which is becoming indecipherable, chaotic and overall causing massive disorganization. Over a month ago when the forum was pushing the one message that BlackCoin would be the first, and only (at that time), crypto with a self-made BC-buying multipool the result was a ridiculous panicky buying spree which luckily resulted in a much higher price plateau than from where it had been before that message spread.
We need that organized one-mindedness again.
-No crypto has ever hired a PR firm before because no other crypto (maybe with the exception of Evan Duffeld with Dark Coin) has had developers who have taken their coin so seriously as these guys. These guys are willing to test the suppose 'crypto boundaries' that exist and they have been rewarded for it so far.

Iconic, if you truly had an ounce of business experience you'd either donate your 'Wall Street meets BlackCoin' to this cause or sell all your holdings out and move on because pretty soon you will be coming off like a troll.
JL

Shots fired.

Centralize BC is dangerous, I hate any kind of government.

When you center something, you limit ideas, and puts power in the hands of a few individuals, just point me a government that is perfect (none), because people are different and think differently, can suddenly be good to you more can not be good for me!

I agree to ICONIC, nobody never want to marketing Blackcoin except ICONIC, and some others, you can include me too, I have always supported ICONIC, and his Marketing, ICONIC already done and is doing very much for Blackcoin, I'm really finding odd this sudden change of mind of many people here, a lot of people here that we hardly posts here, this suddenly inundating this forum, creating discord very strange ...

[blade87]

X11 miners don't forget you can mine BC at CryptoAlts.com

Currently over 800 MH/s. Come on let's hit a 1 GH/s figure and make it known that BlackCoin has not one, but two pools that have hit a 1 GH/s figure!!! Other coins can't even get a single pool to get anything near what we have two pools doing right now!!!

Closing in on 850 MH/s. Come on everyone! Tell your friends, your family members, and your unborn children to try out X11 mining on CryptoAlts!!

[Jesse Livermore]

Sorry, but me too I have to admit that maybe it's too expensive for now, it's a great idea but each has to go with it's own capacities/capabilities.....and what is going to be worth if we don't have money to execute the plan..

and I'm pretty sure we can find ideas or find someone skilled to do so....

its pretty much the same price as that wall street promotion but instead of 2 hours of talking to random people in the street, this promotion will last 90 days and target the people that will actually be interested in this. they have already raised $15000..seems like a much better deal

Finally someone making sense..

Who ever goes against this Idea clearly has no idea what they are talking about. This plan targets specifically the media outlets that we need. 

Mark Cuban the Multi Billionaire doesn't know what he is talking about? http://www.businessinsider.com/why-startups-shouldnt-hire-pr-firms-2012-1#!Htx93

Can't say I would ever quote Mark Cuban in anything related to business. Mark Cuban is an incredibly lucky guy who sold his .com to one of the stupidest, biggest .com's at the peak of the .com bubble. As much as he thinks he is, he's no Warren Buffett and given the choice of having PR advice from the Ogilvy's of the world or Cuban, I suspect most wise and experienced business-folk would go the way of an Ogilvy.

With that said, I'm absolutely amazed and astounded that you can't step back and see how BlackCoin hiring a PR firm is NOT a good idea.
Look at the facts:
-Will all due respect after watching yesterday's BlackCoinCast the BlackCoin team, for all intents and purposes, is made up of ultra-nerds to the power of 10. Their forte is coding and crypto's.
-BlackCoin does not have the capital to hire and pay the ongoing salaries of a Marketing/PR Director and team. Yes, taking BlackCoin to where it should be requires a team with years of social media experience to wrangle the message of why the ordinary man/woman/child needs BlackCoin.
-There are many marketing plans going every which way here on BitCoinTalk, creating a massive amount of noise which is becoming indecipherable, chaotic and overall causing massive disorganization. Over a month ago when the forum was pushing the one message that BlackCoin would be the first, and only (at that time), crypto with a self-made BC-buying multipool the result was a ridiculous panicky buying spree which luckily resulted in a much higher price plateau than from where it had been before that message spread.
We need that organized one-mindedness again.
-No crypto has ever hired a PR firm before because no other crypto (maybe with the exception of Evan Duffeld with Dark Coin) has had developers who have taken their coin so seriously as these guys. These guys are willing to test the suppose 'crypto boundaries' that exist and they have been rewarded for it so far.

Iconic, if you truly had an ounce of business experience you'd either donate your 'Wall Street meets BlackCoin' to this cause or sell all your holdings out and move on because pretty soon you will be coming off like a troll.
JL

With all do respect but I doubt you have real world business experience. If you did you would know what I posted is correct. I shared 4 or 5 links to reputable sources all stating hiring a PR firm is a bad move. Anyone with Google and 5 minutes could find that out for themselves. I am not going to back something I think is fundamentally flawed because a few people from IRC is trying to ram it down the throats of this community to "keep control".

This reminds me of the "Meet Black" campaign that I advised not to do. An idea that was also fundamentally flawed, and how did that turn out?

If not agreeing with a bad idea makes me a troll then I am a troll.

I'm not playing this game with you so I'll go about this in a different way and say that I completely and totally agree with you that a traditional startup should NOT spend their capital on a PR firm.....
However I do not see how in the hell you can possibly equate this "wild west alien crypto world" which BlackCoin resides in - where crypto-currencies have a major image problem and the lead-horse already has a 5.5 year lead, $5 billion market cap, ATM's, private investment, venture capital and a future public ETF - with the traditional business world.
But...
We both agree that BlackCoin needs to market itself in a huge f'ing way.
Let's keep it at that.
JL

[brammien]

WE DON'T NEED AN GOSH DARN FOUNDATION, IS THIS WORLDCOIN 2.0? SERIOUSLY PISSES ME OFF CENTRALIZATION, AND ALSO PUTS OFF PEOPLE TO NOT DO ANYTHING TO HELP.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, RETHINK THIS FOUNDATION. GO SEE HOW WORLDCOIN PANNED OUT WITH THERE FOUNDATION IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.

[MuffinMaster]

CAPS CUZ AM COOL

caps doesn't make you right, it just makes you an asshole. try again.

[coinpredator(return)]

WE DON'T NEED AN GOSH DARN FOUNDATION, IS THIS WORLDCOIN 2.0? SERIOUSLY PISSES ME OFF CENTRALIZATION, AND ALSO PUTS OFF PEOPLE TO NOT DO ANYTHING TO HELP.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, RETHINK THIS FOUNDATION. GO SEE HOW WORLDCOIN PANNED OUT WITH THERE FOUNDATION IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.

+1

[Jabulon]

CAPS CUZ AM COOL

caps doesn't make you right, it just makes you an asshole. try again.

Hahahahaha. A bit of humour muffin, that was most welcome right now. How about this: why don't y'all stop bitching and get to work.

[blade87]

WE DON'T NEED AN GOSH DARN FOUNDATION, IS THIS WORLDCOIN 2.0? SERIOUSLY PISSES ME OFF CENTRALIZATION, AND ALSO PUTS OFF PEOPLE TO NOT DO ANYTHING TO HELP.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, RETHINK THIS FOUNDATION. GO SEE HOW WORLDCOIN PANNED OUT WITH THERE FOUNDATION IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.

WDC doesn't compare. It had a premine. BC didn't. BC has a foundation made up investors that put their own money into it. Which do you think it going to try harder? The foundation of zero effort and minimal loss premine, or the one with investors that had to use their own money and have something to lose?  

[IconicExpert]

IE this has nothing to do with control. The BlackCoin Foundation is a group of investors. None of the coin devs are in our group. We have no control. Think of the BlackCoin Foundation like you and your wife. We are a family that just wants the best for BlackCoin...

Your concerns are noted and we discussed them at great length, truthfully. It was not an easy decision. We were concerned about timing, how far along the coin was currently, are we ready in terms of coin features and coding...

At the end of the day we decided to at least get the ball rolling. We are going to try this for 90 days, and if it doesn't work the BlackCoin Foundation will be the hardest hit. But if it does work, the COMMUNITY has the most to gain.

I look forward to it. I think its exciting and I consider it a once in a lifetime opportunity to be here with this community right now.

I vowed I would conduct myself with decorum and civility, and I will stick to that vow. I raised valid points and the response was cheap shots and juvenile responses. I asked legitimate questions, but instead some resorted to personal attacks. But hey...I wasn't expecting you and the boys from IRC to sit back and watch it slip away....so no need to explain. I suggest you and the boys from IRC think realistically for a moment. March 23 is when I first started posting here after watching this thread for a few weeks. April was when I started taking the initiative to help the community. At that time I wasn't  focusing solely on BlackCoin. In less than 2 months I issued two successful press releases, got us 2 major articles, and launched the BlackCoin card all while handling my other projects. Do you really think it is wise to take a shot across my bow? Anytime half of your IRC channel comes out to the forum shows me how bad things really are. As they say...desperate times calls for desperate measures...

But once again good luck with the PR firm...

[ddeaNewtOn]

Hello BlackCoin Community
 
As the BlackCoin Foundation we have worked hard in the past weeks and I am proud to present to the community at large one of our most ambitious fundraising ventures to date. As most of you know, BlackCoin is a phenomenal alternative cryptocurrency with substantial REAL advantages over its competitors. We are a greener, faster, coin that is ready for retail adoption and worldwide use… Only the world doesn't know this... That is hopefully about to change…
 
BlackCoin will be the first CryptoCurrency to hire a legitimate, brick and mortar, Public Relations Firm!
 
For several weeks the BlackCoin Foundation has been engaging PR firms in order to find one with the right technical expertise to help promote BlackCoin through various target media (think wired.com, theverge, wsj, financial times, and social media as well). After much deliberation we have decided on a company and are in the process of finalizing things contractually speaking. We are not going to release the PR firm's name until things are finalized, but they have a great deal of experience and are truly excited to be working with us. You will not be disappointed.
 
BlackCoin is Bitcoin 2.0. But spreading this message comes at significant cost. In order to secure a 90 day PR campaign (with options to retain services month to month after the initial 90 day period) the foundation has already raised over $15,000 USD! This has got the ball rolling, but we need help from the community! To finish paying for this venture we need the community to help raise an additional $15,000 USD.
 
The funds raised by the Foundation have allowed us to get things started, and over the next few days and weeks we will providing more and more information about the strategy, including key messages and timelines. Our strategy meetings will be 100% transparent and we will be updating the community about our every move. In the meantime, we need two things:
 
1.) Come up with suggestions! We have a powerful PR firm to bounce ideas off of and now is the time to brainstorm. What do you think is an important message? What is an important venue? Give us anything and everything you got, but please do your best to list your ideas in a concise and coherent manner.
2.) Please donate to the addresses below! This is a monumental and revolutionary undertaking that could very well shape the cryptocurrency landscape for years to come. Every little bit helps!
 
Linked below is a very high-level and preliminary overview that the PR firm provided to us in our most recent conference call. Some information has been redacted and the formatting has been altered (worsened) due to proprietary images (e.g. anything that could identify the PR Firm).
 
The Plan
 
The cryptocurrency world is having trouble competing with BlackCoin as is… With a capable and professional PR firm on our side, the sky is the limit.
 
Thanks and please donate today!
BC: BTfqh99d8DcKWrd4hFYLR7D2bAYDdAKV3Q    
BTC: 1MAGvdGMCAaJysMBgA5uFRBUFQ25AkUWQV    
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Doge: DNkmhknWWx6ogrHaTy9X2SLft9ouwhCNs1    
Make sure to check the addresses in the original post!
 
Be the change you want to see in the world.

A few questions.

1. $15,000 is not small change, why not release the name of the firm so members can do their due diligence? Why not be more transparent now?
2. What does the $30,000 cover? Most well known PR firms charge a minimum of $40,000 - $100,000 just to retain their services. It does not cover the expense of ads, commercials, events...etc..etc. That is extra.

+1

I just read the plan and as I pointed out for $30,000 you basically get a custom tailored marketing plan and a few press releases. $30,000 does not cover ads, radio, TV, or events. The firm  will advise you on what you need to be doing.

The reason why I asked my previous questions because PR firms are the worst ROI, especially for a start-up. Any experienced entrepreneur knows never hire a PR firm unless you have millions of dollars to waste, in this case millions of BlackCoins. This is is commonly known fact, but you do not have to take my word for it. Here are links from some of the top business websites confirming what I just wrote:

http://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/8-reasons-you-should-not-hire-a-pr-firm.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-startups-shouldnt-hire-pr-firms-2012-1

http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/03/how-to-hire-a-pr-firm-dont-do-it

http://www.fastcompany.com/3028922/why-startups-shouldnt-use-pr-firms-to-pitch-their-business

I just hope that "Blackcoin foundation" is not as "Wolrdcoin foundation" a tragedy, I think  centralize a lot is a serious error in crypto because this is a market designed to be decentralized, some leadership is always welcome.

I think we should focus on finalizing the donations to the project of "Wall Street of ICONIC", because if not we will be left with a lot of projects only on paper, and it will be very frustrating, BELIVE ME .... For to spend 30K I would like to see Blackcoin in news programs, radio and newspapers. I particularly already donated over 18K BC for all kinds of projects here, so before someone criticize me please know that I love this coin, but if and to make a marketing, it must be agrecivo, viral!

"The harder one holds onto power, the quicker it slips away"

In the last two weeks the only time BlackCoin has been seriously written about was:

1. The Wall Street Event: http://cointelegraph.com/post/blackcoin_s_smooth_and_sexy_nyc_charm_offensive
2. The BlackCoin Card: http://www.coindesk.com/things-alt-ponzi-schemes-blackcoin-usbs-time-warp-attack

And all that attention cost me $0

You would think that CoinDesk would write about the multi-pool, or all of the cool stuff the dev team is doing. However, they wrote about the BlackCoin card.

Interesting indeed....

Interesting indeed

[brammien]

WHO APPOINTED THIS BOARD/FOUNDATION, AND MAKES THEM ABLE TO PLAY WITH MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENTS?

Decentralization, no central foundation. I hope this is not ego thing, cause everyone should be able to do something here, a foundation is not a good idea, nor do i think those in charge now need to be. Why can't everyone just be on same level.

I was around Worldcoin, and there foundation is a joke, and also created a bunch of bagholders doing pat me on the back meetings without any community effort to help. Why not? Cause when you have a centralized foundation nobody helps out, they see that people are running things, and ask permission to do things.

Oh, by the way guys, smooth move trying to move this coin forward smoking on your interview, high class there.

So pissed fact a group of people that don't know anything about business are running million dollar investments, soo flipping pissed.

[blade87]

Again from before :

WDC doesn't compare. It had a premine. BC didn't. BC has a foundation made up investors that put their own money into it. Which do you think it going to try harder? The foundation of zero effort and minimal loss premine, or the one with investors that had to use their own money and have something to lose?  

Use some logic for a second here. Comparing this to WDC is low.

The BC Foundation is nothing more than a group of large investors who collaborate some ideas, and then spend THEIR OWN MONEY, to try and better this coin for themselves and everyone else. Nothing is stopping you from doing the same. They are not the owners of BC, but just a group of investors like everyone else in this community.

Don't take the term "foundation" so personally.

[Magice]

Good night! Sorry for uploading the video so late. But I could spend little time on vide for my job and took seven hours to finish, keep in mind that I live in Spain and here are six in the morning. I have spent this time because I'm so busy I spend is the deadline for BlackCoinCard limited edition (great work, Iconic ) and made ​​me really angry. So I hope to get a gift for my boyfriend.
Hope you like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9i6Rd_6uA4&fmt=37

Sorry for the English, as I use google translate.

Thanks to all the Black community for their work.

[Jabulon]

Good night! Sorry for uploading the video so late. But I could spend little time on vide for my job and took seven hours to finish, keep in mind that I live in Spain and here are six in the morning. I have spent this time because I'm so busy I spend is the deadline for BlackCoinCard limited edition (great work, Iconic ) and made ​​me really angry. So I hope to get a gift for my boyfriend.
Hope you like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9i6Rd_6uA4&fmt=37

Sorry for the English, as I use google translate.

Thanks to all the Black community for their work.

Woohoo! Love it. That was sexy! Thank you!

[alison03]

I don't know why everybody thinks things have to be an either/or proposition, personally, I have donated to both Iconic's plan and the BlackCoin Foundation fund. I wish I could foresee the future, but the best analogy I can use is throwing mud on the wall, when you throw mud on a wall, some of it will stick and some of it won't. I don't know if either of these plans will work, but I'm willing to give to both because I want BlackCoin to succeed and it's not a BlackCoin Foundation vs. Iconic thing, it's about BlackCoin and I hope both plans are hugely successful, because BlackCoin will win and if BlackCoin wins, we win.

yes this x10000

why can't we all coexist independently while working toward the same vision: blackcoins longterm growth and sustained value

enough of this bipartisan bullshit. there is not OR we can do EVERYTHING. these efforts aren't mutually exclusive and aren't going to take attention or focus away from blackcoin or its goal, in fact, they both support the goal greatly.

enough with the ego clashes please guys. lets engage in competitive cooperation instead of pure competition spurned by ego and popularity.

if there is anything I've learned in my 7 years as a professional poker player is that there is no 1 right way to play a poker hand, the more creative you get and more risks you take, the more you are going to succeed and be rewarded.

ICONICEXPERT: I love you're enthusiasm and guerilla marketing tactics: they have done wonders for this coin and community. you don't need the official support of the self appointed foundation, please keep up the creative great work.

COMMUNITY: we can all coexist and run these promos and marketing efforts concurrently, we don't need to create drama and tension. please find a more constructive way to engage in conversation and criticisms because the way we are currently operating is self destructive.

thanks for reading.

Well said, both of you. I was just typing to Roulette a moment ago:

Yes. Either/or thinking is one of the hobgoblins to avoid. And your mud-on-wall analogy has, unfortunately, a great deal of truth to it. Most of all, I advocate respect and gratitude for our different efforts. Bear in mind, a right move is often arrived at through a series of questionable moves. Let each follow his own lights. Time will tell all. And thank god for our DIFFERENCES.

+1 We need a united front. Show how strong the community is...where creativity and risk taking set us apart. I mean look at the surge in the market already - about to touch 30k. Big things are happening - some will be hits but some will be misses but that's how things grow. What's the cheesy saying, "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take"?