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January 17, 2019, 04:07:51 PM |
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Your story is sad, I would like to help you out not only with these bumps..
Since the main goal of this thread is warning the community about The Rock Trading practices, your bumps are very helpful. Don't be sad about my story. I'm only risking money. They are gambling with money, but also with their reputation, business and freedom. Time is on my side, since as it pass, they just increase their responsibility and confirm their own guilt. In the end, you will be sad about them. If The Rock Trading states publicly that volume, they will have to pay taxes based on it, even if it's a fake volume, since they have a bot trading there which (all evidence suggests that) trades with it self and misleadingly inflates volume. Paying taxes for volume based on EU laws ain't so dangerous. The only problem they might have is that you will get your money + demage for keeping them for so long. But regarding paying taxes or jailtime, very but very small chances The taxes is very important in EU. When they declare that they made 500k volume per day, they must pay around 10-40% of profit, according to the they regional taxes law. But If you declare that you make 10k profit (for example) and you pay taxes only for 5k, this is a big problem. Yes, in EU you can't go in jail for taxes, but you will get big penelty or authorities will shut down your business. The problem in EU is that cryptocurrency are not declare as something. For example, In my country, according to the law, Bitcoin is not currency and it is not property.... what is it?  ?? |
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January 17, 2019, 04:39:36 PM |
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Your story is sad, I would like to help you out not only with these bumps..
Since the main goal of this thread is warning the community about The Rock Trading practices, your bumps are very helpful. Don't be sad about my story. I'm only risking money. They are gambling with money, but also with their reputation, business and freedom. Time is on my side, since as it pass, they just increase their responsibility and confirm their own guilt. In the end, you will be sad about them. If The Rock Trading states publicly that volume, they will have to pay taxes based on it, even if it's a fake volume, since they have a bot trading there which (all evidence suggests that) trades with it self and misleadingly inflates volume. Paying taxes for volume based on EU laws ain't so dangerous. The only problem they might have is that you will get your money + demage for keeping them for so long. But regarding paying taxes or jailtime, very but very small chances The taxes is very important in EU. When they declare that they made 500k volume per day, they must pay around 10-40% of profit, according to the they regional taxes law. But If you declare that you make 10k profit (for example) and you pay taxes only for 5k, this is a big problem. Yes, in EU you can't go in jail for taxes, but you will get big penelty or authorities will shut down your business. The problem in EU is that cryptocurrency are not declare as something. For example, In my country, according to the law, Bitcoin is not currency and it is not property.... what is it? ?? In all eu is an asset. The theory isn't that you don't pay on profit more than 20% nowhere. Point is paying taxes is a more complicated factor that you are talking there and no one is yet speaking about washed money, to get away with their profit. Don't think about their taxes, they should be the ones that are going to decide if they are going to pay or not. |
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Coinfan (OP)
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January 19, 2019, 12:11:56 PM |
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The Rock Trading is a tiny exchange. I doubt that their small profits would ever put them in real trouble because of taxes. I just stated that if they publish a volume, they are publicly confessing a certain amount of fees and so of profits. Tax authorities will take that in account soon or later on an inspection.
They are gambling with their freedom only because of what they are doing with my money.
The passing of time and the fact that there is no longer any anonymity only confirms that their against TOS/FAQ demand for verification is just a pretext to keep my money blocked, as their abusive and covert freeze of my withdrawals and the denials of my property against all evidence already suggested from the start.
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January 22, 2019, 10:39:10 AM |
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I belive in this is the only way to expose them and protect others. Soon, I will update again article. Im searching for more details and information about their scammy business. I hope more people will check this thread. |
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Coinfan (OP)
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January 24, 2019, 03:54:19 PM |
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I belive in this is the only way to expose them and protect others. Soon, I will update again article. Im searching for more details and information about their scammy business. I hope more people will check this thread. Thanks for your continuous support and the merit. I have been reading your site, including the new content. On the issue of the HYIP scams, it's a major red flag that they still haven't denied publicly (at least on this forum) their involvement on them. They are helping these scammers by omission. But it's likely that someone is using their names abusively. Of course, that doesn't change a thing about their selective scam on my case. |
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January 24, 2019, 09:24:21 PM |
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I belive in this is the only way to expose them and protect others. Soon, I will update again article. Im searching for more details and information about their scammy business. I hope more people will check this thread. Thanks for your continuous support and the merit. I have been reading your site, including the new content. On the issue of the HYIP scams, it's a major red flag that they still haven't denied publicly (at least on this forum) their involvement on them. They are helping these scammers by omission. But it's likely that someone is using their names abusively. Of course, that doesn't change a thing about their selective scam on my case. The key thing in your case as you rightly pointed out is they selective scammed you and that is the reason they claim to be a legitimate business. They pick and choose their customers to scam depending on their situation so if they scam 1 in 25 or 1 in 50 customers but the other 24 or 49 are happy then the numbers of complaints are tiny. Rather than carry out and open scams many scammers pretend to be a bonafide business but behind the scenes they are criminals waiting to sting their next customer playing the long game. |
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Coinfan (OP)
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January 27, 2019, 01:45:36 PM |
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Rather than carry out and open scams many scammers pretend to be a bonafide business but behind the scenes they are criminals waiting to sting their next customer playing the long game.
Thanks to this deed, they and The Rock Trading are completely burned on this forum. One of the Administrators of the Forum (I think mediators can't do this) downgraded their only positive feedback from a single member (who, by coincidence, promotes The Rock Trading on his signature) to untrusted. This wasn't an innocent move and doesn't promises anything good for them. It's no coincidence that he never posted again. |
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January 27, 2019, 02:52:49 PM |
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Any new updates?
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January 30, 2019, 07:55:03 PM |
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I have lost 120k xrb on bitgrail. Now it gets interesting..............................
Don't forget, Hostfat moderator here was a lot envolved in the xrb project. Maybe he can say something about it.
Btw, I am a fluent speaker of italian, I don't need translations
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January 31, 2019, 12:59:30 PM |
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I have lost 120k xrb on bitgrail. Now it gets interesting..............................
Don't forget, Hostfat moderator here was a lot envolved in the xrb project. Maybe he can say something about it.
Btw, I am a fluent speaker of italian, I don't need translations
Please note about Bitgrail:Mr. Firano has a personal account with TRT. The account and all the funds on it were confiscated by The Court of Florence (Italy) last month of May 2018. Because of our history and our proven capacity to safely keep customers funds, The Court decided to leave the funds in our custody untill further notice. We do still have all the funds waiting for further instructions from The Court. We are proud of this sign of trust given to us from a Court of Law which deeply analized the situation and decided to fully trust TRT Thank you |
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January 31, 2019, 01:02:16 PM |
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I have lost 120k xrb on bitgrail. Now it gets interesting..............................
Don't forget, Hostfat moderator here was a lot envolved in the xrb project. Maybe he can say something about it.
Btw, I am a fluent speaker of italian, I don't need translations
Please note about Bitgrail:Mr. Firano has a personal account with TRT. The account and all the funds on it were confiscated by The Court of Florence (Italy) last month of May 2018. Because of our history and our proven capacity to safely keep customers funds, The Court decided to leave the funds in our custody untill further notice. We do still have all the funds waiting for further instructions from The Court. We are proud of this sign of trust given to us from a Court of Law which deeply analized the situation and decided to fully trust TRT Thank you I see thanks for the update, waiting with a lot of interest any result in the bitgrail case. |
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January 31, 2019, 01:08:29 PM |
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Any new updates?
yes, the claimant, finally decided to open a case with ODR as per our TOS paragraph 16. We are waiting for a call from the arbitrary office mutually agreed. Hopefully, we will be able to resolve it soon (timing is out of our control now) Thank you |
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January 31, 2019, 02:24:28 PM
Last edit: January 31, 2019, 03:01:12 PM by JollyGood |
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Any new updates?
yes, the claimant, finally decided to open a case with ODR as per our TOS paragraph 16. We are waiting for a call from the arbitrary office mutually agreed. Hopefully, we will be able to resolve it soon (timing is out of our control now) Thank you You are a scammer. Your "paragraph 16" of the TOS of your scam outfit is a disgrace. You selectively scammed the OP and instead of backing down he put you pathetic scammers in your place by exposing you. How dare you ask the OP any questions AFTER he sent you an extensive list of his ID. Any company in their right mind would have released his crypto but a trashy scam outfit such as your Rock Trading scam decided to punish the OP because he exposed you as scammers. You have played for time hoping the OP would give up but he has not. You WILL release his funds no matter how long it takes because you have no right to hold his funds whether he complied with KYC or not because he was happy to accept his crypto back instead of FIAT after your scam outfit kept changing the TOS in order to selective scam.. |
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January 31, 2019, 02:37:47 PM |
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Any new updates?
yes, the claimant, finally decided to open a case with ODR as per our TOS paragraph 16. We are waiting for a call from the arbitrary office mutually agreed. Hopefully, we will be able to resolve it soon (timing is out of our control now) Thank you How dare you ask the OP any questions AFTER he sent you an extensive list of his ID. To be on the safe side I checked customer account but, I cannot find any document on file. Thank you |
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February 01, 2019, 04:43:00 PM
Last edit: February 01, 2019, 05:02:59 PM by Coinfan |
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What JollyGood means is that the complaint was made with full disclose of identity and the cost was paid with a transfer from a banking account, so there is no longer any anonymity.
Moreover, there is a coincidence of names between the ones on the complaint and the ones on file with the Rock since 2013. The Arbitrator received a scan of it.
I told them about 5 months ago I wouldn't login again and they know perfectly well no one has logged on the account since that date.
The Rock CFO defamation against me was proven wrong, as was clear since the start. They never had any doubt about my ownership.
They can't keep denying my ownership without being clear to everyone that they are lying.
Why they persist blocking my money? What legitimate reason they could possible have?
Isn't obvious that they are still hoping to be able to keep my money "forever"? (quoting him).
They better invent a very good lie to tell the Arbitrator. They are not crazy, they know that without a very good new pretext, the Arbitrator will send the decision to the Italian Postal Police: they will end on jail and the Rock trading closed.
On any case, they better be prepared to pay more than 5000 euro in compensations for everything they did on this case, including major breaches of Italian Law and of their own TOS/FAQ.
The Arbitrator will take months to decide, but I'll be here keeping the community aware.
As time goes by, their illegal and abusive behavior is more and more clear.
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February 04, 2019, 07:38:28 AM |
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As soon as the Arbitrator will send us your Identity information, assuming you are the owner, we will release funds promptly.
As a second solution, you can upload your id's and we will speed up the process.
For us it is the same. It is only up to you.
Thank you!
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February 04, 2019, 10:39:38 AM
Last edit: February 04, 2019, 11:52:16 PM by JollyGood |
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As soon as the Arbitrator will send us your Identity information, assuming you are the owner, we will release funds promptly.
As a second solution, you can upload your id's and we will speed up the process.
For us it is the same. It is only up to you.
Thank you!
The OP will never send you his ID directly because you are pathetic scammers. I hope the Italian authorities raid your office and close down your scam outfit called Rock Trading. In the end regardless of what happens YOU WILL release the funds belonging to the OP. Shame on you pathetic scammers. |
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February 04, 2019, 11:47:07 PM
Last edit: February 05, 2019, 12:10:51 AM by r34tr783tr78 |
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As soon as the Arbitrator will send us your Identity information, assuming you are the owner, we will release funds promptly.
As a second solution, you can upload your id's and we will speed up the process.
For us it is the same. It is only up to you.
Thank you!
The OP will never send you his ID directly because you are pathetic scammers. I hope the Italian authorities raid your office and close down your scam outfit called Rock Trading. In the end regardless of what happens YOU WILL release the funds belonging to the OP. Shame on you pathetic scammers. The scammer Andrea Medri aka eliale crawled from under his Rock to write his usual fake promises. The fact is that he is blocking the OP money for more than 14 months! His scam technique of blocking money then demand documents and saying to the victim to go to the police has even inspired other scammers that copied his words to the letter like his pal Francesco Simonetti Hi everyone,
In order to protect your interests and everybody else safety, we do need to verify the real identity.
Refusing to complete the procedure, it raise our concerns about the account.
Please, comply with the requests in order to solve the issue.
As an alternative, if you do not want to provide the requested information to us, you may contact the Luxembourgish police and file a request. They will request us to proceed and we will act accordingly because we do have the guarantee they checked your case.
Thank you
The problem is when the victim actually goes to the police and shows he hasnt nothing to hide. Both these scammers think that saying go to the police will save them from the police!  |
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