The Rock Trading Scam www.therocktrading.com Exchange Review fraud truffa

[eliale]

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the Prosecutor receipt was obtained the moment our lawyers deposited the law suit reference number Proc: 26766/2020 - N. prot. 249 DIC 20 against the OP.

This document is available to the OP upon request by his lawyer.

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[JollyGood]

You keep on showing yourself and your Rock Trading exchange in a very bad light. Where is the remorse in your tone for the manner in which you and your Rock Trading exchange have confiscated funds that are owned by the OP?

You should release the funds back to the rightful owner (the OP) and move on with your fund raising projects and so on...

Not exactly....

the Prosecutor receipt was obtained the moment our lawyers deposited the law suit reference number Proc: 26766/2020 - N. prot. 249 DIC 20 against the OP.

This document is available to the OP upon request by his lawyer.

Thank you

[eliale]

You keep on showing yourself and your Rock Trading exchange in a very bad light. Where is the remorse in your tone for the manner in which you and your Rock Trading exchange have confiscated funds that are owned by the OP?

You should release the funds back to the rightful owner (the OP) and move on with your fund raising projects and so on...

Not exactly....

the Prosecutor receipt was obtained the moment our lawyers deposited the law suit reference number Proc: 26766/2020 - N. prot. 249 DIC 20 against the OP.

This document is available to the OP upon request by his lawyer.

Thank you

I'll gladly do so when the real owner or her heirs will show up.

Thank you

[JollyGood]

This is no longer only about me. They scammed 1.5 million from investors and are scamming customers trading directly with them with their bots and taking advantage of market crashes at their expenses.

Do you think they will be investigated for fraud on both counts? If they duped investors by inflating customer numbers and trading figures when they crowd funded and also if they used bots to make non-existent trades then those are probably serious criminal offences in Italy.

Soon, I'll post more evidence of the Rock Trading Exchange fake orderbooks and volume.

You suffered a lot throughout the process of your dealings with the Rock Trading. I sincerely hope you manage to get your funds back soon.

[Coinfan]

the first one to tell you in this thread, but this is a matter for the civil court.

Sorry, but you didn't seem to have read the updated summary:
I) They published documents under judicial secret. This is a crime under article 684 of Italian Criminal Code and article 329 of the Italian code of criminal process, as confirmed by a high Italian court.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg55970022#msg55970022

II) they lied to the Police, which is also a crime under italian criminal law. This isn't even a matter under dispute as the Rock CFO never denied it and he contradicted explicit posts he made on this forum. Check here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg55687075#msg55687075

III) Thank you for your post and admission, but how can you admit that they are faking orderbooks and write that this is a matter for civil court? They stole 1.5 million from investors thanks to those fake orderbooks and volume!


IV) He has been trying to steal my money for 4 years under lies, fraud (the invented independent third party arbitrator or changing their FAQ after the fact) and illegal pretexts. Civil court?

Do you think they will be investigated for fraud on both counts? If they duped investors by inflating customer numbers and trading figures when they crowd funded and also if they used bots to make non-existent trades then those are probably serious criminal offences in Italy.

I don't want to play the knight fighting only for the collective interest. I'm mainly fighting to recover my money. But I don't know how they are going to keep hiding their crimes now that the evidence is published on a public forum even after I stop posting here after recovering my money.

He managed to bury this thread on google with abusive complains and lies, but I doubt he will be able to make a second round of crowdfunding scam without this coming into light on its own.


Anyway, you are a PAL, Jollygood. Thank you for almost 4 years of support!

[Coinfan]

He cannot follow your suggestion because, even though he had access to the account, he is not the owner......

I'll gladly do so when the real owner or her heirs will show up.

After almost 4 years that this thread was created and no one having claimed my money or even logged on again on my Rock account, he still claims that I'm not the real owner.

I signed a message using the bitcoin address used to deposit a large amount on my Rock Trading account:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg51271058#msg51271058

I have documents from the banking account used to make some fiat withdraws on 2013 (when their TOS allowed them). These documents are dated from a date after the start of this thread.

It seems he doesn't realize how clear this excuse reveals that this is just another of his scams. Tell me about being self-delusional.

Just look like how he admits that I had regular and legitimate access to the account, but then adds absurdly that I'm not the owner!

[JollyGood]

Is there any government department in Italy that Rick Trading and their CFO can reported to for (potential) crimes that are not directly related to your case but in general for other matters such as what seems to have been the manner in which they raised 1.5 million investment rounds?

He managed to bury this thread on google with abusive complains and lies, but I doubt he will be able to make a second round of crowdfunding scam without this coming into light on its own.

[saxydev]

Is there any government department in Italy that Rick Trading and their CFO can reported to for (potential) crimes that are not directly related to your case but in general for other matters such as what seems to have been the manner in which they raised 1.5 million investment rounds?

He managed to bury this thread on google with abusive complains and lies, but I doubt he will be able to make a second round of crowdfunding scam without this coming into light on its own.

All the investments in the typo of fund raising are already checked in Italy, if someone say they are fraud he is wrong. At least for these ammounts, if they are not paying back under the table half of the money, or paid already, it is legal and any words that say the investment is fake are wrong.

And @jollygood ; it is impossible not to recover the money from an exchange in Italy in more than 6 months, which leads me to consider that Coinfan also is doing something illegal; even tho, the attitude of the rock trading is more than shady.

[JollyGood]

Thank you for the comments. How are you familiar with Italian law to the degree you post very confidently about the subject?

Can you post any links that can be read (even with translation) that can be provided as references for what you said?

And @jollygood ; it is impossible not to recover the money from an exchange in Italy in more than 6 months, which leads me to consider that Coinfan also is doing something illegal; even tho, the attitude of the rock trading is more than shady.

[saxydev]

Thank you for the comments. How are you familiar with Italian law to the degree you post very confidently about the subject?

Can you post any links that can be read (even with translation) that can be provided as references for what you said?

And @jollygood ; it is impossible not to recover the money from an exchange in Italy in more than 6 months, which leads me to consider that Coinfan also is doing something illegal; even tho, the attitude of the rock trading is more than shady.

I live in Italy (Toscana and Sicily) and Malta since I was in the 4th grade (more than 12 years) and I have my master degree in economist which is more like an accountant.

Now I do only AML on crypto basis and situations like the OP's, you find at any corner.

[JollyGood]

Now I understand why you always seemed to comment on the scam allegation here with much surety and confidence.

As you are an Italian resident that knows various aspects of law, what is the best advice you would give to both the OP and Rock Trading to settle this issue as soon as possible?

I live in Italy (Toscana and Sicily) and Malta since I was in the 4th grade (more than 12 years) and I have my master degree in economist which is more like an accountant.

Now I do only AML on crypto basis and situations like the OP's, you find at any corner.

[saxydev]

Now I understand why you always seemed to comment on the scam allegation here with much surety and confidence.

As you are an Italian resident that knows various aspects of law, what is the best advice you would give to both the OP and Rock Trading to settle this issue as soon as possible?

I live in Italy (Toscana and Sicily) and Malta since I was in the 4th grade (more than 12 years) and I have my master degree in economist which is more like an accountant.

Now I do only AML on crypto basis and situations like the OP's, you find at any corner.

Open a civil case in the court against the rock trading; the solution won't take more than 2 years with appeals included, but I don't think he may win or pay more as demages to the rock trading for the defamation.

If he is right and he wins, penal may follow for the rock trading.

[eliale]

Now I understand why you always seemed to comment on the scam allegation here with much surety and confidence.

As you are an Italian resident that knows various aspects of law, what is the best advice you would give to both the OP and Rock Trading to settle this issue as soon as possible?

I live in Italy (Toscana and Sicily) and Malta since I was in the 4th grade (more than 12 years) and I have my master degree in economist which is more like an accountant.

Now I do only AML on crypto basis and situations like the OP's, you find at any corner.

Open a civil case in the court against the rock trading; the solution won't take more than 2 years with appeals included, but I don't think he may win or pay more as demages to the rock trading for the defamation.

If he is right and he wins, penal may follow for the rock trading.

Thank you for the suggestion. We have been asking the same for the past 4 years without any result.

[Coinfan]

Thank you again Jollygood, for your continuous interest on my and this all case, since this is much more than just my case.

All the investments in the typo of fund raising are already checked in Italy, if someone say they are fraud he is wrong. At least for these ammounts, if they are not paying back under the table half of the money, or paid already, it is legal and any words that say the investment is fake are wrong.

And @jollygood ; it is impossible not to recover the money from an exchange in Italy in more than 6 months, which leads me to consider that Coinfan also is doing something illegal; even tho, the attitude of the rock trading is more than shady.

Thanks also for your posts and interest, saxydev.

However, as far as I know, on crowdfunding raising of capital, there is no preventive obligatory check from any Italian specific authority. The due diligence is done solely by the crowdfunding company. Since this company is particularly interested on the admission and success of the raise of capital, it might torn a blind eye on some suspicions in order to get its fat commission.

If I'm wrong, please enlighten me and please be specific: which entity analyzed and approved the Rock Trading raise of capital? On which date and what was the number of the act of approval?

If that had happened, the Rock CFO already would have post about it.

How is it possible to say that is impossible to not recover the money invested on an exchange? BitGrail is just the easiest example coming to mind.

[r34tr783tr78]

Now I understand why you always seemed to comment on the scam allegation here with much surety and confidence.

As you are an Italian resident that knows various aspects of law, what is the best advice you would give to both the OP and Rock Trading to settle this issue as soon as possible?

I live in Italy (Toscana and Sicily) and Malta since I was in the 4th grade (more than 12 years) and I have my master degree in economist which is more like an accountant.

Now I do only AML on crypto basis and situations like the OP's, you find at any corner.

Open a civil case in the court against the rock trading; the solution won't take more than 2 years with appeals included, but I don't think he may win or pay more as demages to the rock trading for the defamation.

If he is right and he wins, penal may follow for the rock trading.

Thank you for the suggestion. We have been asking the same for the past 4 years without any result.

Medri-Eliale you are a damn scammer and a liar. I am on your social media. Once I get the new crowdfunding system name you will see what happens. I wont let you keep the OPs money. You think you are going to be able to keep going scamming and help ruining crypto? I will see you in jail.

[saxydev]

Thank you again Jollygood, for your continuous interest on my and this all case, since this is much more than just my case.

All the investments in the typo of fund raising are already checked in Italy, if someone say they are fraud he is wrong. At least for these ammounts, if they are not paying back under the table half of the money, or paid already, it is legal and any words that say the investment is fake are wrong.

And @jollygood ; it is impossible not to recover the money from an exchange in Italy in more than 6 months, which leads me to consider that Coinfan also is doing something illegal; even tho, the attitude of the rock trading is more than shady.

Thanks also for your posts and interest, saxydev.

However, as far as I know, on crowdfunding raising of capital, there is no preventive obligatory check from any Italian specific authority. The due diligence is done solely by the crowdfunding company. Since this company is particularly interested on the admission and success of the raise of capital, it might torn a blind eye on some suspicions in order to get its fat commission.

If I'm wrong, please enlighten me and please be specific: which entity analyzed and approved the Rock Trading raise of capital? On which date and what was the number of the act of approval?

If that had happened, the Rock CFO already would have post about it.

How is it possible to say that is impossible to not recover the money invested on an exchange? BitGrail is just the easiest example coming to mind.

Consob is 100% aware of their crowdfunding and if they are using any bank under ECB they will be caught.

[eliale]

Consob is 100% aware of their crowdfunding and if they are using any bank under ECB they will be caught.

Just for you to know.

When we launched our crowdfunding campaign, Opstart, the company licensed by Consob, requested further information about this case.

We provided all the information along with evidence and the case was dismissed.

Also, during the past 4 years, multiple times, thanks to the OP spamming, we were asked by our partners the same question and, again, after providing them with evidence, no further consequences were taken.

In conclusion, aside from a few anonymous people in this chat, which are free to express their opinion in favor of the OP, we never had someone objecting our procedures.

Thank you

[JollyGood]

Now I understand why you always seemed to comment on the scam allegation here with much surety and confidence.

As you are an Italian resident that knows various aspects of law, what is the best advice you would give to both the OP and Rock Trading to settle this issue as soon as possible?

I live in Italy (Toscana and Sicily) and Malta since I was in the 4th grade (more than 12 years) and I have my master degree in economist which is more like an accountant.

Now I do only AML on crypto basis and situations like the OP's, you find at any corner.

Open a civil case in the court against the rock trading; the solution won't take more than 2 years with appeals included, but I don't think he may win or pay more as demages to the rock trading for the defamation.

If he is right and he wins, penal may follow for the rock trading.

Thank you for the comments and suggestions. It would be important for Coinfan to post opinions and feedback about what you have said it the way forward.

Thank you again Jollygood, for your continuous interest on my and this all case, since this is much more than just my case.

There is no need to thank me. This process has taken far too long, it has taken years with no real resolution in sight and it seems clear to me but others may disagree that the Rock Trading have taken revenge on you for exposing them in this thread.

[Coinfan]

Consob is 100% aware of their crowdfunding and if they are using any bank under ECB they will be caught.

Sorry, this means nothing. Consob didn't analyze or approve their crowdfunding. They react after receiving complains. They don't approve crowdfunding operations. They wouldn't do anything else. They approve the creation of crowfunding companies but they don't check each one of their operation.

The Rock CFO used this mean because he knew safeguards are very slim. The check is done solely by the crowdfunding company. Not even the Rock CFO is claiming otherwise.

There is no need to thank me. This process has taken far too long, it has taken years with no real resolution in sight and it seems clear to me but others may disagree that the Rock Trading have taken revenge on you for exposing them in this thread.

There is every reason to thank you. This is a serious case, including because of their crowdfunding schemes, but only a few of the regular members are paying attention to this case.

A huge thank you for an old and respected forum member that just gave a huge merit to this thread: hugeblack

[Coinfan]

Open a civil case in the court against the rock trading; the solution won't take more than 2 years with appeals included, but I don't think he may win or pay more as demages to the rock trading for the defamation.

Thank you for the suggestion. We have been asking the same for the past 4 years without any result.

Sometimes I ask myself if the Rock CFO even thinks about what he writes here. Does with the above statement he wants to convince any reader that he wants to be sue on a civil court? After all his illegal and criminal acts?

I was expecting that he would keep his posts above the bare minimum plausibility. At least to avoid damaging even more his reputation by writing absurd things.

Sometimes he seems to forget that, as he points out on another post, all his partners know this thread and soon or later will read what he posts here. Let's forget about his few real customers.

He already knows I would never waste several years on a civil suit, it's because of this that he wrote that. He is scared is from a criminal complain. And he knows very well that he has all reasons to be.