⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[dre1982]

He will not go anywhere. Or simply will not let go. Too high a price will scare away potential buyers. Yes, and he wants to leave most likely to Guardiola. And Manchester City is under sanctions. So he will play in Barcelona for another year.

No one knows now even Messi. We need to wait Messi to cool down and see what will happen after that. Now, Messi is disappointed and his mood is not good. Barca is too weak recent seasons and they can not blame all things on Messi who carried them over many matches.

Do you notice and recognize what Messi did and brought Barca going through Napoli? Is it enough?

Do you have heard of the abandonment of Messi from barcelona? he played a lifetime with them, but in the end he decided to move on.
Seems to be discontent with the club and with the coach.

It is a very hot drama now in Catalan and the very likely lawsuit between Messi and Barca might occur too. The official contract shows Messi can leave before end of June but with the pandemic and the prolonged season, is the deadline expanded automatically? I don't know.

Messi made too much noise about his departure. And now he will not be able to leave. I think it will not come to trial. The amount of 200 million is more than enough for such a player.

Yep 700 million is way to much for such old player. Well 700 million is every player is way too much. Still don't get it why PSG paid 222 million for Neymar.

[buwaytress]

congrats for the bet win!

Do you have heard of the abandonment of Messi from barcelona? he played a lifetime with them, but in the end he decided to move on.
Seems to be discontent with the club and with the coach.

certainly taking 10 goals must not be pleasant at all

I didn't win... missed by one, but got the bet back as insurance (promo from Sportsbet).

I don't know if anyone hasn't heard of Messi and I feel awful for the guy, someone I've grown up with watching and had so many lifetimes of memories watching -- even if we did do him over when we defeated them last season's CL!

So sad but he deserves to be happy, that's all I can comment.

[babo]

I didn't win... missed by one, but got the bet back as insurance (promo from Sportsbet).

I don't know if anyone hasn't heard of Messi and I feel awful for the guy, someone I've grown up with watching and had so many lifetimes of memories watching -- even if we did do him over when we defeated them last season's CL!

So sad but he deserves to be happy, that's all I can comment.

certainly no one is happy to know a great athlete -> sad
but from a certain point of view, the teams and their fans are happy to know that a very good player on the market

anyone hoping their team will sign Messi

[TedMosby]

He will not go anywhere. Or simply will not let go. Too high a price will scare away potential buyers. Yes, and he wants to leave most likely to Guardiola. And Manchester City is under sanctions. So he will play in Barcelona for another year.

I don't know if this a fake quote or not,
but I read a post about his statement, that said he is not Cristiano Ronaldo, and he can't win big matches alone.
if this is true, I think he is not comfortable with the current situation in Barcelona.

also, this is 8 reason why he should leave Barcelona:
https://www.givemesport.com/1592282-lionel-messi-should-leave-barcelona-after-bayern-munich-defeat-eight-reasons-why

[LFC_Bitcoin]

We’ve been here numerous times with Messi, I don’t think he’ll go but he really does like to try to control the club. Klopp would never allow this to happen, maybe it’d be better if Barca let him go & plan for life without him. He’s 33 & at this stage he controls the club, probably intimidates other players so they don’t express themselves on the pitch.

Messi is probably the greatest player ever but this kind of drama is not needed at a top club. If he wants to go then let him go & build for the future.

[babo]

We’ve been here numerous times with Messi, I don’t think he’ll go but he really does like to try to control the club. Klopp would never allow this to happen, maybe it’d be better if Barca let him go & plan for life without him. He’s 33 & at this stage he controls the club, probably intimidates other players so they don’t express themselves on the pitch.

Messi is probably the greatest player ever but this kind of drama is not needed at a top club. If he wants to go then let him go & build for the future.

I agree with you, drama is not good for either of us, neither for the team nor for the player. Furthermore, change is always good.
Both to morale and to stimuli.

Even at work, changing allows you to accumulate an enormous amount of knowledge. Of course, this comes at a price. Not having roots (if you like).

[OcTradism]

We’ve been here numerous times with Messi, I don’t think he’ll go but he really does like to try to control the club. Klopp would never allow this to happen, maybe it’d be better if Barca let him go & plan for life without him. He’s 33 & at this stage he controls the club, probably intimidates other players so they don’t express themselves on the pitch.

Messi is probably the greatest player ever but this kind of drama is not needed at a top club. If he wants to go then let him go & build for the future.

It happens with any key and legendary players. They have too big effects in their clubs but I agree that at the end of their career, their ambition and effects are negatively affect their clubs. Klopp always prioritise team-working and partially because his core tactic is gegenpressing that truly need team-working.

Yep 700 million is way to much for such old player. Well 700 million is every player is way too much. Still don't get it why PSG paid 222 million for Neymar.

I can understand the cost at 700 million dollars when Messi was on his all time high form but now in his downside period, it is still at 700 million that sounds very unrealistic. Who can confirm that the cost is a fixed one or it is changed each year like his salary?

[-CryptoViking-]

I can understand the cost at 700 million dollars when Messi was on his all time high form but now in his downside period, it is still at 700 million that sounds very unrealistic. Who can confirm that the cost is a fixed one or it is changed each year like his salary?

It is a clause in his contract. It is called minimum release clause and clubs from Spain are famous for it mostly. This is not that popular in other leagues or not popular at all, but in Spain it is almost a common thing for decades now.

This clause means that he can't be sold under 700 millions if the club does not want to do it. Legally.  Though there are other points in contracts that can be set as conditions and similar things that can affect the minimum release clause and such.

Hope you can get the gist of it from my post.

[TedMosby]

We’ve been here numerous times with Messi, I don’t think he’ll go but he really does like to try to control the club. Klopp would never allow this to happen, maybe it’d be better if Barca let him go & plan for life without him. He’s 33 & at this stage he controls the club, probably intimidates other players so they don’t express themselves on the pitch.

Messi is probably the greatest player ever but this kind of drama is not needed at a top club. If he wants to go then let him go & build for the future.

barcelona need to look at their rival, real madrid.
real madrid can give a permission for ronaldo to leave.
and still manage to win more trophies without ronaldo this year.

barcelona needs to remember how ronaldinho replaced by a new young player from their academy, which is messi himself.

[babo]

barcelona need to look at their rival, real madrid.
real madrid can give a permission for ronaldo to leave.
and still manage to win more trophies without ronaldo this year.

barcelona needs to remember how ronaldinho replaced by a new young player from their academy, which is messi himself.

One cycle simply ended, for this reason happened these facts.
The team needs to rebuild everything from scratch to start a new cycle.
So consequently some people need to be changed and replaced in my opinion, regardless.

Of course in my humble opinion

[DeathAngel]

barcelona need to look at their rival, real madrid.
real madrid can give a permission for ronaldo to leave.
and still manage to win more trophies without ronaldo this year.

barcelona needs to remember how ronaldinho replaced by a new young player from their academy, which is messi himself.

You’re totally right, Messi isn’t going to be around forever. They need to plan for times without him at some point. They may as well get some good money for him now so they can buy a replacement or two.

[Daniel91]

On a Croatian portal, I came across a very good analytical article about the Champions League with the title: ''The same rules do not apply to Barcelona and Kosovo. Does the Champions League make sense?''
For those who don’t understand what it’s all about, some clubs have already been kicked out of this year’s Champions League competition because some of their players have been infected with the kotonavirus.
We are talking about Slovan from Bratislava. Slovakia for example or Drita from Kosovo.
These are double standards because the Gibraltar authorities immediately banned the match between the Kosovo and domestic clubs, while the more liberal authorities from San Marino allowed another Kosovo club, Gjilan, with infected players to still play the match.
We know that the players of Atletico Madrid had a similar problem, but UEFA helped them and they could play in the quarterfinals of the Champions League in Portugal.
So, when big money and clubs are in the game, UEFA will do everything not to stop the ''football show'', but when it comes to small clubs, no one cares.
A great example of hypocrisy and double UEFA standards.
Can we already say that this year's competition of the European League and the Champions League is irregular, even unfair?

Source: https://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/ovakva-liga-prvaka-nema-smisla/2207711.aspx

[onecall123]

We’ve been here numerous times with Messi, I don’t think he’ll go but he really does like to try to control the club. Klopp would never allow this to happen, maybe it’d be better if Barca let him go & plan for life without him. He’s 33 & at this stage he controls the club, probably intimidates other players so they don’t express themselves on the pitch.

Messi is probably the greatest player ever but this kind of drama is not needed at a top club. If he wants to go then let him go & build for the future.

barcelona need to look at their rival, real madrid.
real madrid can give a permission for ronaldo to leave.
and still manage to win more trophies without ronaldo this year.

barcelona needs to remember how ronaldinho replaced by a new young player from their academy, which is messi himself.

Truly, at sometime we were going have too take this challenge like Real Madrid do, so might as well now! We should be thinking about who takes over from Messi now, rely on messi is not forever. I know it's challenging, however should to do.

Don't let you emotion just like this phrase-You can't imagine Barca without Messi. Being realistic

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So far we are in this situation, clubs are in Italian but you can easly translate them in your native language.

Fascia 1

    Real Madrid
    Bayern Monaco
    Juventus
    PSG
    Liverpool
    Zenit San Pietroburgo
    Siviglia (vincitrice EL)
    Porto

Fascia 2

    Atletico Madrid
    Barcellona
    Manchester City
    Manchester United
    Borussia Dortmund
    Chelsea
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    x

Fascia 3

    Lipsia
    Lazio
    Inter
    Atalanta
    x
    x
    x
    x

Fascia 4

    Basakeshir
    Rennes
    x
    x
    x
    x
    x
    x

Source: https://www.calcioefinanza.it/2020/08/27/fasce-gironi-champions-2020-2021-atalanta/

The roaster of teams will be fulfilled in the 30th of September

The draw will be done on 1st October. if nothing else will happen.

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I think it should be Bayern Munich not Monaco. Speaking of Bayern Munich who wants to see Bayern Munich and Barcelona in same group, this two teams has unfinished business. Bayern Munich has upper hands with the 8:2 win. The group stages will be exciting. Manchester united is back, Italy has strong teams.

[snipie]

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I think it should be Bayern Munich not Monaco. Speaking of Bayern Munich who wants to see Bayern Munich and Barcelona in same group, this two teams has unfinished business. Bayern Munich has upper hands with the 8:2 win. The group stages will be exciting. Manchester united is back, Italy has strong teams.

Indeed it is Bayern Munich but apparently it is written like that in Italian.
And I don't mind seeing Bayern playing vs Barcelona soon to see if Barca gonna take more goals and score less without Messi (eventually) or not

[TedMosby]

Source: https://www.calcioefinanza.it/2020/08/27/fasce-gironi-champions-2020-2021-atalanta/

The roaster of teams will be fulfilled in the 30th of September

The draw will be done on 1st October. if nothing else will happen.

Pot 1: Bayern Munich, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Sevilla, PSG, Juventus, FC Porto, Zenit St Petersburg
Pot 2: Barcelona, Manchester United, Borussia Dortmund, Manchester City, Atletico Madrid, Shakhtar Donetsk, Chelsea, (Benfica or Ajax)
Pot 3: RB Leipzig, Inter Milan, Lazio. (this team can join this pot if they qualified: Dynamo Kiev, FC Salzburg, Olympiakos and Celtic)
Pot 4: Stade Rennes, Istanbul Basaksehir (this team can join this pot if they qualified: Atalanta, Lokomotiv Moscow, Marseille, Club Brugge and Borussia Monchengladbach)

I think the champion of Portugal and Russia should be in Pot 2.
uefa should consider the league coefficient of each contestant.

source: https://www.thescore.com/esp_fed/news/2007217

[tyz]

And I don't mind seeing Bayern playing vs Barcelona soon to see if Barca gonna take more goals and score less without Messi (eventually) or not

I think the last season was an exception. Messi is no longer the outstanding player he once was. He still has great moments but he is no longer the great playmaker. The team is built for him. I think that is the problem. There were also problems last year. With a new start without Messi and with the new coach, Barcelona will stabilize and in two three years they will play for the CL win again. Until then I don't think they have a chance.

[babo]

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I think it should be Bayern Munich not Monaco. Speaking of Bayern Munich who wants to see Bayern Munich and Barcelona in same group, this two teams has unfinished business. Bayern Munich has upper hands with the 8:2 win. The group stages will be exciting. Manchester united is back, Italy has strong teams.

Indeed it is Bayern Munich but apparently it is written like that in Italian.
And I don't mind seeing Bayern playing vs Barcelona soon to see if Barca gonna take more goals and score less without Messi (eventually) or not

Yes, he write in italian (and him said it) Fascia is italian word.
In any case it's not the groups but the bands, I don't know if you know how the combinations work.
For example, not all element of first band can go in same group. Precise rule for give best effort for fun of customers and fans.

[Darkoth89]

I think the last season was an exception. Messi is no longer the outstanding player he once was. He still has great moments but he is no longer the great playmaker. The team is built for him. I think that is the problem. There were also problems last year. With a new start without Messi and with the new coach, Barcelona will stabilize and in two three years they will play for the CL win again. Until then I don't think they have a chance.

Without Messi and with a team where a lot of the current players are told to leave the club, I don't see them in a good spot for the upcoming years. Two or three years until they are competitive again in the Champions League? What if the officials at Barcelona don't have that much patience and are trying to force success with more expensive transfers? And what if these transfers flop like Coutinho, Dembele or Griezmann?! Barcas financial situation is already not the best and if they mess up this fresh start, Barcas could lose its shine over the next years.