⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[Juggy777]

Well, offcourse money is important factor, clubs want to make at least some money from sold tickets. But also people want to visit stadiums, they were missing this thing since March. Offcourse that many afraid to attend games, but nobody is forcing them to go there. In many countries people are allowed to visit restaurants, gyms, cinema or museums with masks and social distancing, I don't know how stadiums are different from these places.

Money is the only one factor. Because for sport club is the only engine for move their greed.
I'm not agree with you, because in one restaurant? 200 guys?
in stadium 10000... is a little different scale factor..

but no problem for me.. go and spread the covid and after we going in lockdown -> mean no games

@babo there’re few points which I would like to highlight here i.e. when you visit a restaurant you’re removing your mask to eat, and you’re sitting in an air conditioned room, and covid is known to spread through ac so isn’t restaurants risky too?.

Secondly the stadium is quite big, and has lots of open space which means that people can sit at a comfortable distance, and avoid being infected by this virus.

Lastly if I had the chance to visit the stadium I would personally not go, but considering that this virus is here to stay, and this is the new normal at some stage UEFA and other leagues will have to allow fans back in the stadium.

Sources:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/15/897147164/can-air-conditioners-spread-covid-19

https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/premier-league-sends-open-letter-urging-government-to-allow-fans-/1s5cottc17i4j1jeo3gihz8pdj

[bitzizzix]

Well, offcourse money is important factor, clubs want to make at least some money from sold tickets. But also people want to visit stadiums, they were missing this thing since March. Offcourse that many afraid to attend games, but nobody is forcing them to go there. In many countries people are allowed to visit restaurants, gyms, cinema or museums with masks and social distancing, I don't know how stadiums are different from these places.

Money is the only one factor. Because for sport club is the only engine for move their greed.
I'm not agree with you, because in one restaurant? 200 guys?
in stadium 10000... is a little different scale factor..

but no problem for me.. go and spread the covid and after we going in lockdown -> mean no games

Yes, we cannot ignore Covid because those infected look normal and even though restaurants or other places are still allowed on the condition that they must follow health protocols established by the government, especially maintaining distance, checking temperature, clock rules, wearing masks and so on.
it is different from a stadium with a capacity of thousands of people who are not allowed because they are carried away by an uncontrollable atmosphere and forget to keep their distance and other rules if any.
So that the government is more aware of the risks that will occur and there is a reason, hopefully this pandemic will end quickly so that the stadium is filled with football lovers again.

[LTU_btc]

Money is the only one factor. Because for sport club is the only engine for move their greed.
I'm not agree with you, because in one restaurant? 200 guys?
in stadium 10000... is a little different scale factor..

but no problem for me.. go and spread the covid and after we going in lockdown -> mean no games

Well, @Juggy777 explained very well why stadium is safer place than restaurant. First, restaurant is closed room and we all know that spread of virus is easier. Also, there is less people in restaurant than in stadium, but main factor is distancing - it's not always possible to keep it there, also people using same entrance. You can't wear mask when you eat or drink - it's another risk factor.
While in stadium you sit in open air, it have multiple entrances. If in stadium which can hold 50k people they allow 5k people for example, distance between spectators is huge and they can't have close contact.
Actually, it would be interesting to see data from countries where spectators are allowed to enter stadiums, did it affected spread of virus and number of new cases.

[babo]

Well, @Juggy777 explained very well why stadium is safer place than restaurant. First, restaurant is closed room and we all know that spread of virus is easier. Also, there is less people in restaurant than in stadium, but main factor is distancing - it's not always possible to keep it there, also people using same entrance. You can't wear mask when you eat or drink - it's another risk factor.
While in stadium you sit in open air, it have multiple entrances. If in stadium which can hold 50k people they allow 5k people for example, distance between spectators is huge and they can't have close contact.
Actually, it would be interesting to see data from countries where spectators are allowed to enter stadiums, did it affected spread of virus and number of new cases.

i think different about you and @Juggy777 .. we have freedom of speach and think .. yes?
For me, because i think in analitics way (numbers) 10000 is different than 200
in stadium they are place with distance, but we have much place in common for spread virus

[giammangiato]

if we all behaved as responsible people, in my opinion, it would not be a wrong thing to go to the stadium.
the problem is seeing some who don't follow the rules and endanger everyone!

[babo]

if we all behaved as responsible people, in my opinion, it would not be a wrong thing to go to the stadium.
the problem is seeing some who don't follow the rules and endanger everyone!

well that's exactly why i say it's a bad idea.
I think it is not right to block an entire life for a virus, in the past there have been and there will still be in the future. But if people obeyed the rules, we could go out, go to the stadium, go clubbing.
instead, people don't respect the rules (and social distancing)

[Maotezi]

if we all behaved as responsible people, in my opinion, it would not be a wrong thing to go to the stadium.
the problem is seeing some who don't follow the rules and endanger everyone!

It is not clear to me how schools can be opened and many factories, where many people are in one place indoors. Imagine children in school and kindergartens (you think they know how to behave properly), then people must be let into the stadium with great discipline nothing would happen, of course a limited number, masks required.

[Soonandwaite]

if we all behaved as responsible people, in my opinion, it would not be a wrong thing to go to the stadium.
the problem is seeing some who don't follow the rules and endanger everyone!

well that's exactly why i say it's a bad idea.
I think it is not right to block an entire life for a virus, in the past there have been and there will still be in the future. But if people obeyed the rules, we could go out, go to the stadium, go clubbing.
instead, people don't respect the rules (and social distancing)

you're absolutely right. and when there is alcohol to buy in the stadium or on the way to the stadium, people become more and more reckless.
then large groups of people get together and the risk of getting infected is much higher. i haven't been to a stadium for more than 6 months now.
but i'm also afraid to go there even if only a few fans come

[LTU_btc]

i think different about you and @Juggy777 .. we have freedom of speach and think .. yes?

And I respect your opinion. I'm not saying that my opinion is 100% right and that you're wrong, we just have different views and it's completely normal thing.

[babo]

And I respect your opinion. I'm not saying that my opinion is 100% right and that you're wrong, we just have different views and it's completely normal thing.

And me too, i respect you and your opinion.
Unfortunately we are in very difficult times and we have to make some sacrifices.
Giving up something allows us to preserve the conditions that allow us to enjoy something.
Total lockdown is truly terrible (and boring).

I prefer not to go to the stadium if it serves to avoid it.
I prefer not to go to pub with friends, if it servers to avoid it.

[swogerino]

And I respect your opinion. I'm not saying that my opinion is 100% right and that you're wrong, we just have different views and it's completely normal thing.

And me too, i respect you and your opinion.
Unfortunately we are in very difficult times and we have to make some sacrifices.
Giving up something allows us to preserve the conditions that allow us to enjoy something.
Total lockdown is truly terrible (and boring).

I prefer not to go to the stadium if it serves to avoid it.
I prefer not to go to pub with friends, if it servers to avoid it.

I agree.We should all fight together this fight against this visible enemy and we can win it real soon if we all make personal sacrifices by sacrifying some of our desires for a greater good which is the total elimination of the virus.
I think we should all do this in order to hope for a better future without Covid 19 virus around us.

[Swordsoffreedom]

A little while ago I heard that Ronaldo has corona positive. This is really hard news for us as a football fan. you know now he has to stay at home quarantine for 14 days. Juventus has 4 games in this month, two Champions League games and you know there is a game against Barcelona on next 29 October, which is really a very important match for them. Winning with a strong team like Barcelona will not be easy at all, without a skilled striker like Ronaldo.

What do you think? How successful can the Juventus team be without Ronaldo?

[skarais]

A little while ago I heard that Ronaldo has corona positive. This is really hard news for us as a football fan. you know now he has to stay at home quarantine for 14 days.

Wait, has the news been confirmed?

What do you think? How successful can the Juventus team be without Ronaldo?

Of course not, Ronaldo's presence on the field will really help Juventus attack line. Without his presence I thought Juventus lacked strength in front of the opponent's goal. Even if there are other player who can replace Ronaldo role, it will never be the same. Ronaldo is a player that his opponent are wary of, dangerous and sharp. However, without it in the field it would be very different. But, Juventus should not rely solely on player like Ronaldo, who is not good as it could lead to a lack of team spirit in his absence.

[Smartvirus]

Wait, has the news been confirmed?

I doubt the credibility of this news. It's obvious what bloggers would do to generate traffic on their blogs. Quarantineing a player for two weeks (14days) doesn't necessarily mean the player is Covid19 positive. It's just a precautionary measure put in place for players that arrive in a new destination after spending time in some other environment so, they can be checked checked and wait out the life expectancy of any possible trace of the virus because, you never can be too sure.

What do you think? How successful can the Juventus team be without Ronaldo?

Of course not, Ronaldo's presence on the field will really help Juventus attack line. Without his presence I thought Juventus lacked strength in front of the opponent's goal. Even if there are other player who can replace Ronaldo role, it will never be the same. Ronaldo is a player that his opponent are wary of, dangerous and sharp. However, without it in the field it would be very different. But, Juventus should not rely solely on player like Ronaldo, who is not good as it could lead to a lack of team spirit in his absence.
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Juventus had chances of winning the UCL even before Ronaldo joined the team. What hindered there chances with Ronaldo in the team was over dependence on Ronaldo to win them the league. If they can have that same mentality, they certainly will have better chance at winning the league.

[coinlocket$]

Ronaldo will skip the 1st game of Champions and probably the second one but depends if he can heal quickly.

The protocol for UEFA is to be negative without symptoms for 7 days so basically 2 negative tests in 7 days.

So to be able to play vs Messi he must be nagati 1st time from 21st October, hard not impossible but improbable.

[snipie]

Ronaldo will skip the 1st game of Champions and probably the second one but depends if he can heal quickly.

The protocol for UEFA is to be negative without symptoms for 7 days so basically 2 negative tests in 7 days.

So to be able to play vs Messi he must be nagati 1st time from 21st October, hard not impossible but improbable.

And I was saying in another topic that Juventus will not need him those days since it has easy matches and almost forgot about Barca! The situation looks not promising for him to play it unless he remains asymptomatic and get ride of the virus quickly which isn't obvious. Ibra for example remained positive after 14 days...

[LTU_btc]

Ronaldo will skip the 1st game of Champions and probably the second one but depends if he can heal quickly.

The protocol for UEFA is to be negative without symptoms for 7 days so basically 2 negative tests in 7 days.

So to be able to play vs Messi he must be nagati 1st time from 21st October, hard not impossible but improbable.

As usual, another case without any symptoms. That's good thing. In first game Juve will play against Dynamo Kyiv, so they should win without Ronaldo. It's only pity for fans in Kyiv who won't be able to see him playing there.
I think he will be able to play against Barca. In my country national team one player got positive test, but on the evening another test was negative. Later his blood test also gave negative result. So, I'm not sure how much all these tests is reliable.

[hahay]

There is nothing to worry about Juventus in the absence of Ronaldo and also, in that group G I'm sure Juventus and Barcelona will definitely move on to the next round, maybe only Dynamo kyiv will be the dark horse but I'm not sure about that. So, whether there is Ronaldo or not, Juventus will still be safe there.

[Raflesia]

There is nothing to worry about Juventus in the absence of Ronaldo and also, in that group G I'm sure Juventus and Barcelona will definitely move on to the next round, maybe only Dynamo kyiv will be the dark horse but I'm not sure about that. So, whether there is Ronaldo or not, Juventus will still be safe there.

Juventus have players who have stopped. I think it's a lot not only Ronaldo who is the main player but without him it will definitely be stronger to face opponents in UEFA.

It's also true that Juventus and Barcelona will remain safe in the group stage, maybe only breaking down the group, but this doesn't matter Juventus will perform brilliantly later at UEFA, believing that there are 2 scapegoats who will be eliminated.

[Rengga Jati]

Ronaldo's presence on the field will really help Juventus attack line. Without his presence I thought Juventus lacked strength in front of the opponent's goal.

I don't think so. Juventus still have two good strikers or attackers. Just don't forget they have Dybala and Morata. The coach can let the two strikers play together as starters. Morata can be positioned as a central striker, while Dybala can be positioned as a winger.

Even if there are other player who can replace Ronaldo role, it will never be the same.

They have another option, is to change the formation. Or if they don't want to change the formation, they still have Cuadrado as the alternative to replace Ronaldo. Indeed they have a different way to play but Cuadrado deserves to try as a winger. He has speed, good in dribble, and can pass with accuracy.