Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[LDL]

The point is, the Indian system is tough because of competition and when you get early success then you have to perform consistently for the next 10-15 tests as well otherwise someone else will replace you.

This is one of the reasons why more and more cricketers are shifting their time and resources to the T20 format since they stand to earn more money and popularity in a way shorter period without worrying too much about other factors.

Honestly, I would do the same because time is money. Test cricket is great for several reasons, but it requires a huge time+effort investment.

Another reason behind the shift of cricketers to the T20 format is that most of the county leagues in the T20 format include Big Bash, IPL, PSL, BPL, Caribbean League, SA_20, and dozens of other leagues, resulting in a constant demand for players in the T20 format. That is why most of the players retire from ODI format and Test format but do not retire easily from T20 format.

[elevates]

Another reason behind the shift of cricketers to the T20 format is that most of the county leagues in the T20 format include Big Bash, IPL, PSL, BPL, Caribbean League, SA_20, and dozens of other leagues, resulting in a constant demand for players in the T20 format. That is why most of the players retire from ODI format and Test format but do not retire easily from T20 format.

Yeah that can be one of the reason but not many T20 players can play test cricket. Test cricket needs a lot of patience, stamina and skills. The same can be talked for 50 over cricket, whereas in T20 it is a matter of few overs. When players retire they continue to play T20 as it doesn't need them to be on ground a full day. They only need to be on the ground for a few hours which their bodies can adapt to easily.

[libert19]

Crickbuzz [1] reports Bumrah is set to rest for 4th test and Rahul was to come back in 4th test, so I make obvious assumption that Rahul will replace Bumrah, and rest of squad will remain same since they did well in 3rd. Rahul wasn't to wickekeep anyway, so Jurel's position remains intact.

Let's see how they do without Bumrah, personally I find him consistent than Siraj.


https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/129540/jasprit-bumrah-set-to-be-rested-for-ranchi-test

Edit: I forgot about Patidar, he has performed poorly, might not get further chances. If he's out, KL will replace Patidar and Akash Deep may come in at place of Bumrah.

[JSRAW]

^^ The kind of pitches Indians are rolling in the series, i believe Bumrah should play the remaining 2 matches.

The point is, the Indian system is tough because of competition and when you get early success then you have to perform consistently for the next 10-15 tests as well otherwise someone else will replace you.

This is one of the reasons why more and more cricketers are shifting their time and resources to the T20 format since they stand to earn more money and popularity in a way shorter period without worrying too much about other factors.

Honestly, I would do the same because time is money. Test cricket is great for several reasons, but it requires a huge time+effort investment.

Turning into IPL might solve financial problems but playing for India remains a dream for everyone, that's why the majority of them keep doing hard yards in the domestic circuit for years.

The process goes like this : Break records in SMAT and some franchises will give you a chance. Break records in Ranji and SMAT then franchises will pick you up and some might even fight for you during auction bid war because their scouts do their homework and Indian selectors will keep an eye on you and if the opportunity comes then the possibility of India debut.

There is a reason that now BCCI is doubling down on players to focus on domestic cricket, they even signalled capped players that if they are free and fit then go and play for your respective state board.

[Haunebu]

Turning into IPL might solve financial problems but playing for India remains a dream for everyone, that's why the majority of them keep doing hard yards in the domestic circuit for years.

Money > Dreams for most people which is why those hard workers would instantly shift to leagues like the IPL if they got an opportunity.

There is a reason that now BCCI is doubling down on players to focus on domestic cricket, they even signalled capped players that if they are free and fit then go and play for your respective state board.

BCCI is weird as hell. On one hand, they are primarily responsible for the whole crazy T20 boom in recent times and they are enforcing all of this stuff suddenly on the other hand. Bizarre!

[wiss19]

The point is, the Indian system is tough because of competition and when you get early success then you have to perform consistently for the next 10-15 tests as well otherwise someone else will replace you.

This is one of the reasons why more and more cricketers are shifting their time and resources to the T20 format since they stand to earn more money and popularity in a way shorter period without worrying too much about other factors.

Honestly, I would do the same because time is money. Test cricket is great for several reasons, but it requires a huge time+effort investment.

I have to talk about few things with current system is good but if we have centralization then surely things can go better and improved because as currently we are having money in Indian cricket if Government of India give them status of industry it's also going to be fruitful as they will be able to have more benefit and also helpful for the many other sports associations as well there is too much money in this game and now every youngster having dream of playing into IPL, but this all is not possible so they need to work on domestic setup and bring good competitions with too many teams which will be also having enough money and competitiveness.

Ranji Trophy and IPL are going to be trademarked for the domestic leagues and also going to have huge investments as well which will allow BCCI to manage things and have strong structure and stadiums as well.

[lixer]

Another reason behind the shift of cricketers to the T20 format is that most of the county leagues in the T20 format include Big Bash, IPL, PSL, BPL, Caribbean League, SA_20, and dozens of other leagues, resulting in a constant demand for players in the T20 format. That is why most of the players retire from ODI format and Test format but do not retire easily from T20 format.

Yeah that can be one of the reason but not many T20 players can play test cricket. Test cricket needs a lot of patience, stamina and skills. The same can be talked for 50 over cricket, whereas in T20 it is a matter of few overs. When players retire they continue to play T20 as it doesn't need them to be on ground a full day. They only need to be on the ground for a few hours which their bodies can adapt to easily.

No one having doubt about beauty of the test format, but recently we have good changes with the help of T20I and bazball bring significant changes and its beauty is going to be at his best even many are feeling it is not real cricket but no one can stop these changes and these were needed as well now aggression and politeness both are doing good job, and we have good entertaining stuff like we have in third test match of India vs England series hopefully youths will be delivered like we have from Jaiswal and Gill will be also having good performance in coming matches, but they need to be in touch because skipping this format is surely not good deal for all fans and cricketers need to be had good things in this game after very long bore era IPL bring historic changes and things are now at new level.

[JSRAW]

Turning into IPL might solve financial problems but playing for India remains a dream for everyone, that's why the majority of them keep doing hard yards in the domestic circuit for years.

Money > Dreams for most people which is why those hard workers would instantly shift to leagues like the IPL if they got an opportunity.

If you didn't earn the Indian colors then it's tough. Generally, if you are not capped player then apart from the IPL, you will play domestic as well. 

There is a reason that now BCCI is doubling down on players to focus on domestic cricket, they even signalled capped players that if they are free and fit then go and play for your respective state board.

BCCI is weird as hell. On one hand, they are primarily responsible for the whole crazy T20 boom in recent times and they are enforcing all of this stuff suddenly on the other hand. Bizarre!

Yeah, you can say that but BCCI has to look at the bigger picture. Domestic cricket is factory and cream players get to play for India. IPL is a bonus for them and it's same for many talented individuals from the domestic who are unable to cement their position in the national side because of competition, it could be any format.

If the domestic system gets weakened, the national team will face the same music and it's directly connected to IPL as it's money-making product because you need Indian talents and star value for your product. In recent times, a few capped players started to neglect Ranji, etc for IPL despite being free from the national team. It didn't sit well with the BCCI, hence the recent dictate.

[JahriMeayer]

3rd test match was one of the remarkable test match for india where they won by 434 runs against England. India Played well in their 1st & 2nd innings but i don't like England performance in batting & bowling both sector, they did worse. I wonder about indian batsman, they were busy to prove their ability by keep making runs. Yashasvi Jaiswal, Ravindra Jadeja, Rohit Sharma all of them archive century and Yashasvi Jaiswal made double century even he was injured after 100 runs. But i feel sad for Shubman Gill as he was too to make century. And i think Sarfaraz Khan had bad luck cause he played great but due to lack of overs, we couldn't see him to reach the century in both innings. On the other hand, England played worst in 2nd inning which was unexpected. Without Ben Duckett contribution, england experienced how hard it was, for making runs

[Nazmul012]

Ben Duckett alone did more than 153+. I don't think he could do well in 2nd innings. & this time, i predict that england will score lower runs than their 1st innings

England scored lower as i expected from them in 2nd innings cause i just saw only Ben Duckett did century and rest of players did worst in 1st innings. And it is usually that, a batsman won't do well in every match. As like rohit and jadeja did century in 1st innings but rohit filed to cross even half century in 2nd innings. Besides Shubman Gill and Yashasvi Jaiswal failed to do well in 1st innings bit they both did excellent in 2nd innings even Yashasvi Jaiswal did double century lol. So is happening with Ben Duckett. He couldn't perform well in 2nd innings. And rest of batsman didn't improved. That's why they lost with big difference. But jadega hunted 7 wickets in the whole match and he deserves player of the Match as announced already

[synchronym]

3rd test match was one of the remarkable test match for india where they won by 434 runs against England. India Played well in their 1st & 2nd innings but i don't like England performance in batting & bowling both sector, they did worse. I wonder about indian batsman, they were busy to prove their ability by keep making runs. Yashasvi Jaiswal, Ravindra Jadeja, Rohit Sharma all of them archive century and Yashasvi Jaiswal made double century even he was injured after 100 runs. But i feel sad for Shubman Gill as he was too to make century. And i think Sarfaraz Khan had bad luck cause he played great but due to lack of overs, we couldn't see him to reach the century in both innings. On the other hand, England played worst in 2nd inning which was unexpected. Without Ben Duckett contribution, england experienced how hard it was, for making runs

India's batsmen and bowlers have performed exceptionally well in the second Test match between India and England. England were defeated by a huge margin of 434 runs. The first reason for their defeat was England's poor batting. Of course, England batsmen should prove their best in the fourth test match so that they can score good runs and bowl well against India. If they don't bowl well against India, they will not be able to stop India's strong batsmen and they will give big targets. If England want to win Test series against India they must perform well in both batting and bowling otherwise they can never win Test series against India.

[Publictalk792]

3rd test match was one of the remarkable test match for india where they won by 434 runs against England. India Played well in their 1st & 2nd innings but i don't like England performance in batting & bowling both sector, they did worse. I wonder about indian batsman, they were busy to prove their ability by keep making runs. Yashasvi Jaiswal, Ravindra Jadeja, Rohit Sharma all of them archive century and Yashasvi Jaiswal made double century even he was injured after 100 runs. But i feel sad for Shubman Gill as he was too to make century. And i think Sarfaraz Khan had bad luck cause he played great but due to lack of overs, we couldn't see him to reach the century in both innings. On the other hand, England played worst in 2nd inning which was unexpected. Without Ben Duckett contribution, england experienced how hard it was, for making runs

I also think England didn't do well in the second Test match against India. Ben Duckett did great by scoring a century in the first innings but the rest of the team didn't bat well. Some players like Rohit Sharma and Ravindra Jadeja did better in different innings. But England's batsmen didn't do well in the second innings which led them to their loss.
The Indian team did well in this match. Players like Shubman Gill and Yashasvi Jaiswal did better in the second innings after not doing well in the first. Jadeja bowled really well and took 7 wickets in the match. Overall Indian team performance was really good.

[AirtelBuzz]

India's batsmen and bowlers have performed exceptionally well in the second Test match between India and England. England were defeated by a huge margin of 434 runs. The first reason for their defeat was England's poor batting.  If they don't bowl well against India, they will not be able to stop India's strong batsmen and they will give big targets. If England want to win Test series against India they must perform well in both batting and bowling otherwise they can never win Test series against India.

You may be slightly mistaken here we are not talking about the second test match between India and
England here currently we are talking about the third test match between India and England.We all observed how well the England team played in the third Test match.The England team batted well in the first innings of the third Test match and accordingly they did not bat as expected in the second innings for which they were defeated by India by a huge margin.

Of course, England batsmen should prove their best in the fourth test match so that they can score good runs and bowl well against India.

All teams and players of all teams want good batting and bowling performance. Now it is to be seen how well the England team can play against India in the fourth Test match.After losing two Test matches in a row, all the players in the England team are in a weak state of mind. If England's players continue to perform as they are now, they may lose the fourth Test match to India.

[Sithara007]

Of course, England batsmen should prove their best in the fourth test match so that they can score good runs and bowl well against India.

All teams and players of all teams want good batting and bowling performance. Now it is to be seen how well the England team can play against India in the fourth Test match.After losing two Test matches in a row, all the players in the England team are in a weak state of mind. If England's players continue to perform as they are now, they may lose the fourth Test match to India.
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Toss played a very important part in the last two matches and India was able to make optimal advantage out of it. And it was not all doom and gloom for England. Ben Duckett with his bazball style created quite a few issues for the Indian bowlers. And then the combination of James Anderson and Mark Wood worked quite well. Their main issue is that the spinners failed completely in the recent matches. Tom Hartley and Joe Root were still OK, but Rehan Ahmed failed completely in the third test. For the fourth test, it will be a good idea to replace Rehan with another spinner.

[eaLiTy]

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No one having doubt about beauty of the test format, but recently we have good changes with the help of T20I and bazball bring significant changes and its beauty is going to be at his best even many are feeling it is not real cricket but no one can stop these changes and these were needed as well now aggression and politeness both are doing good job, and we have good entertaining stuff like we have in third test match of India vs England series hopefully youths will be delivered like we have from Jaiswal and Gill will be also having good performance in coming matches

Bazball is interesting but it cannot be applied in every matches and pitch conditions, England won the first Test because of the way they played but they failed to replicate the same performance in winning the next two matches, even in the third Test, the way Ben Duckett played was extraordinary but the rest of the batsman were not able to take advantage of the situation and they kept loosing wickets.

Yashasvi Jaiswal played one of the most incredible second innings and showed how and when they need to attack unlike Bazball, taking on James Anderson and scoring 3 consecutive sixes was extraordinary.

[Sithara007]

Bazball is interesting but it cannot be applied in every matches and pitch conditions, England won the first Test because of the way they played but they failed to replicate the same performance in winning the next two matches, even in the third Test, the way Ben Duckett played was extraordinary but the rest of the batsman were not able to take advantage of the situation and they kept loosing wickets.

Yashasvi Jaiswal played one of the most incredible second innings and showed how and when they need to attack unlike Bazball, taking on James Anderson and scoring 3 consecutive sixes was extraordinary.

Bazball is not a bad option in this series for England. The one who used it (Ben Duckett) scored plenty of runs, and managed to put the Indian bowlers under a lot of pressure. On the other hand, those who played defensively, such as Zak Crawley and Ben Stokes didn't managed to get the scoreboard moving. At least against the Indian pacers, Bazball seems to be a good option. Duckett never allowed Mohammed Siraj to settle down (although Siraj came back strongly and cleaned up the lower order in first innings).

[Haunebu]

If the domestic system gets weakened, the national team will face the same music and it's directly connected to IPL as it's money-making product because you need Indian talents and star value for your product. In recent times, a few capped players started to neglect Ranji, etc for IPL despite being free from the national team. It didn't sit well with the BCCI, hence the recent dictate.

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clarifying that. I believe Ishan Kishan was one of them who was neglecting domestic stuff for the IPL.

Bazball is not a bad option in this series for England. The one who used it (Ben Duckett) scored plenty of runs, and managed to put the Indian bowlers under a lot of pressure. On the other hand, those who played defensively, such as Zak Crawley and Ben Stokes didn't managed to get the scoreboard moving. At least against the Indian pacers, Bazball seems to be a good option. Duckett never allowed Mohammed Siraj to settle down (although Siraj came back strongly and cleaned up the lower order in first innings).

Other players like Root etc used the Bazball approach too ineffectively which messed up their original playstyle which is why this approach only suits certain players in specific conditions.

[tbterryboy]

Toss played a very important part in the last two matches and India was able to make optimal advantage out of it. And it was not all doom and gloom for England. Ben Duckett with his bazball style created quite a few issues for the Indian bowlers. And then the combination of James Anderson and Mark Wood worked quite well. Their main issue is that the spinners failed completely in the recent matches. Tom Hartley and Joe Root were still OK, but Rehan Ahmed failed completely in the third test. For the fourth test, it will be a good idea to replace Rehan with another spinner.

English approach to Bazball is good, but sadly it's not going to work for them in all countries specially while you are playing into India because here we have difficult conditions for all countries so they need to read this all before doing tactics like this with their all players are also not capable for this which is another problem for them after losing Harry Brook things gone more problematic with Joe Root which is veteran and having over 125 test matches also can't go with this Bazball.

If they want to perform good in India they need to have all positive and negative of this because without this they can't perform good now as they are down most chances we will have no chance for them because Indian are now settled with their new batting order and can give them tough time and English batting is also not consistent.

[JSRAW]

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That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clarifying that. I believe Ishan Kishan was one of them who was neglecting domestic stuff for the IPL.

Chahar and Bishnoi also pulled the same stunt.


Okay fellas, they did rested Bumrah for the 4th test and surprisingly KL Rahul is still in recovery mode (Patidar might get some relief). During 2nd test, it looked like his injury wasn't serious but that's not the case anymore.

Virtually no one knows what kind of Pitch Ranchi will roll. Bumrah is not there so it won't be a bad idea if it's a spin track, with this even Axar can play instead of an extra seamer.

[Justin999]

India vs England, 3rd Test is in discussion. I wonder about they excellent india has played in this 3rd match. Most of the players show their best. Rohit did century, Yashasvi Jaiswal did double century. Jajeda did century. Shubman Gill was close enough to become 100s. Even they were also did best bowling. Specially Ravindra Jadeja got (2+5=7) wickets in total.. Mohammed Siraj got 4 wickets. But England played worst. It might be super worst situation if Ben Duckett were fail to scored his century, 153 runs as well in 1st innings. Haven't found anyone else who did well after Ben Duckett. There was expectation from Ollie Pope but he couldn't played as expected