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Question: 2023/2024 La Liga Champion will be
Barcelona - 29 (24.2%)
Real Madrid - 81 (67.5%)
Atletico Madrid - 1 (0.8%)
Sevilla - 0 (0%)
Valencia - 1 (0.8%)
Villareal - 0 (0%)
Real Sociedad - 0 (0%)
Other - 8 (6.7%)
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December 11, 2023, 12:26:06 PM
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Girona has been doing really well in the soccer season, surprising everyone with their great performance. Even though Girona even Girona is playing perfectly, I didn't expect Girona to win when they faced Barcelona because Barcelona is also in good shape, especially since the match took place at Barcelona's home. The most surprising part for me was that Girona actually defeated Barcelona.

Girona's performance throughout the La Liga competition has been outstanding, and if they keep up this great performance, they might end up winning the La Liga trophy at the end of the season. What I really appreciate is the hard work and effort the Girona players are putting into every match. They've played only 16 matches so far but have already earned an impressive 41 points, putting them at the top of the table. It's truly remarkable!
Girona have this season proven to be improved in what they do. They've been winning games and are currently at the top spot with 41 clear points. The season has been very much favourable for them because unlike past seasons, they've been able to make impacts in the league and also are now out of nowhere the 1st position ahead of Madrid, Atletico and Barcelona, what a suprise they given everyone this season.

 Yesterday, they had another big win when they held Barcelona down to a 4-2 defeat at Camp Nou. This is a clear evidence that they're a team not to be underrated again. How on earth did Barcelona who's technically a stronger team than them loose at their home ground? What went wrong? We do not have the answers but what we do know is that Girona are now in their full force and they're not relenting in going for the La Liga trophy.

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December 11, 2023, 12:30:12 PM
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It seems like Barcelona forgot what was at stake while the visitors was just focus on getting goals and securing the 3 point, Barcelona was just doing their touches without getting goals. Girona did what I expected them to do, letting the pressure from the Barcelona team to digest and then they hit them with a counter attack, if you noticed most of the goals  Girona scored if not all came from a counter.
I must say that the Girona side did everything and they deserve that win and staying at the top of the table will really boost their morale into the next game and I just hope they keep on winning games, who knows we might be seeing them in the champions league next season and they can even win the league title this campaign.

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December 11, 2023, 12:37:47 PM
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Girona surprised me, I expected the game to be difficult because Barcelona have a very good defense, but the fact that Girona was able to score 4 goals against them is impressive. I didn’t think that after the away match with Barcelona, Girona would have a chance to top the table, this victory shows that Girona can resist the leaders and defeat them. They, along with Real, are still breaking away from the main group, but Atlético can still get closer to them, and Barcelona looks like it will not be able to defend its title this season.
Barcelona is really want to score a goal, so they're playing with under pressure. Barcelona only care with their attack since they've made 31 shots, but don't really care with their defend. I guess Barcelona might underestimating Girona because their previous matches they weren't so offensive like this one.

I don't think Barcelona played badly in this match. However, Barcelona players could not  break Girona's strong defense. Barcelona had a total of 31 shots in this match, 11 of which were on  target. They did a lot of attacks.  But even then they could not break Girona's strong defense. Girona's performance on the other hand was  very stable. And seeing the  performance of Girona  in this match, I think this team has the  ability to become La Liga champions this year. Their players  are performing well, along with the team's match  strategy is excellent.

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December 11, 2023, 12:46:01 PM
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It seems like Barcelona forgot what was at stake while the visitors was just focus on getting goals and securing the 3 point, Barcelona was just doing their touches without getting goals.

No, but this result I only know today. I feel confident with Barcelona winning and the worst result being a draw. But Girona's 4 goals were beyond many people's predictions. In addition, I believe Many people lose in bets. Kounde's defensive line was poor, the last two goals came from his mistakes. Barcelona's attack line is also not optimal, they waste a lot of opportunities. But indeed Girona's game performed very extraordinary, it was like Leicester City once shocked the EPL. Girona performed well with experienced outcasts from big clubs.   

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December 11, 2023, 12:46:25 PM
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Girona surprised me, I expected the game to be difficult because Barcelona have a very good defense, but the fact that Girona was able to score 4 goals against them is impressive. I didn’t think that after the away match with Barcelona, Girona would have a chance to top the table, this victory shows that Girona can resist the leaders and defeat them. They, along with Real, are still breaking away from the main group, but Atlético can still get closer to them, and Barcelona looks like it will not be able to defend its title this season.
Barcelona is really want to score a goal, so they're playing with under pressure. Barcelona only care with their attack since they've made 31 shots, but don't really care with their defend. I guess Barcelona might underestimating Girona because their previous matches they weren't so offensive like this one.
La Liga is getting tougher for Barcelona. At the beginning of the season, I thought that Barcelona would be number one or number two in the points table, but after playing several matches, the points table situation is that Girona is the number one team in the points table and Barcelona is the number four team in the points table. Girona did well at the beginning of the season but I thought this team's performance would not be consistent but this team's performance is still consistent and they beat Barcelona by a big margin in the last match. Girona's performance against Barcelona seems like this team can cause any accidents this season. Where Real Madrid and Barcelona are already considered favorites to win the title every season, Girona are going to do something different this season.

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December 11, 2023, 12:48:01 PM
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Girona surprised me, I expected the game to be difficult because Barcelona have a very good defense, but the fact that Girona was able to score 4 goals against them is impressive. I didn’t think that after the away match with Barcelona, Girona would have a chance to top the table, this victory shows that Girona can resist the leaders and defeat them. They, along with Real, are still breaking away from the main group, but Atlético can still get closer to them, and Barcelona looks like it will not be able to defend its title this season.
Barcelona is really want to score a goal, so they're playing with under pressure. Barcelona only care with their attack since they've made 31 shots, but don't really care with their defend. I guess Barcelona might underestimating Girona because their previous matches they weren't so offensive like this one.

The defenders flopped, both Kounde and Cancelo, I saw that they was involved with two goals scored against them in that game. The defenders of Real Madrid was key figure that helped them defeat Girona when they faced themselves. Barcelona have failed to identify and do the same. Glad to see Lewandoski scoring from the corner kick, Raphina sent it directly for his head.

Girona attacked and played like a team, they was coordinated and made sure if the flow of passes when approaching the final third.
Barcelona played well, some players needs to focus about the club more than themselves,team work makes the job easier.

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December 11, 2023, 12:52:41 PM
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Previous winnings doesn't count against Girona, because they're on different levels. This season, are you underestimating Girona? We are certain that this request originates from premier clubs. Girona did not come to Camp Nou to settle for subsequent best; instead, they respected themselves enough to become extremely competitive, and winning has been the Gironistes' foremost objective
Girona even underestimated themselves when the season began too. I believe they did not think that they can compete with big clubs for a first position and they have been doing it many weeks in this season. Many of Girona players have their first time to experience feeling and pressure of staying on top of La Liga. The wining over Barcelona would be one of more memorial matches in their career as well.

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Xavi Hernandez and his teammates inspired the audience at first, but they were unable to keep their momentum in the end, as they fought for a draw but ultimately conceded another goal.
Xavi and Barcelona had weaknesses and they failed to cover those weaknesses in this match, then let Girona leaving with three points. This defeat is harmful for Barcelona chance to compete with Real Madrid and defend their La Liga title.

Girona took advantage of every opportunity they got every time they got a gap in Barcelona's defense, I know that it's not easy to beat Barcelona at home, but Girona was really confident, they played from the start and the end, they always dominated the game even though Barcelona controlled the ball, but that wasn't the case. will change the final result, Barcelona must recognize Girona's strength this season. they deserve to be part of the title race this season.
Girona did like they are able to covert any chance to goal so that they scored enough goals to beat Barcelona. They performed well generally from defense to attacking and their mentality is strong to defend their advantage, prevent Barcelona to equalize the match and even nailed the match with a fourth goal. The last goal is like a strong voice that they are winner in this match and it is a big alarm to all other clubs in La Liga. After this winning against Barcelona, other clubs have to consider as a strong opponent in this season.

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December 11, 2023, 12:54:12 PM
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La Liga, Premier League and Bundesliga in one week of competition produced surprising results, the collapse of big clubs. Well, this is the entertainment that I really want where the intense competition comes from clubs that are not at all the main priority of the big clubs. A big blow for Bayern Munich who suffered a bad result against Frankfurt, Barcelona was made immobile by Girona, Michel tactics were able to make Xavi overwhelmed. Girona increasingly unstoppable quality is worth watching out for, it's not in vain that I stay up late just wanting to see Girona beautiful game on the pitch. Their breakthrough after breakthrough effectively made Barcelona defense unable to reach the ball. The advantage of the Girona players is of course their speed in chasing the ball and taking advantage of counter attacks.

It was a wonderful result in the English premier League, German bundesliga and La liga. It will be wonderful for people who didn't place bets but for people who placed bets, they will not escape all the surprises that happened. In the English premier League many results didn't go as expected, especially that of Manchester United and Chelsea.
In Bundesliga, the favourites which is Bayern was humiliated without recourse and in the other hand, Barcelona meet their doom at the hand of Girona.

Barcelona is really want to score a goal, so they're playing with under pressure. Barcelona only care with their attack since they've made 31 shots, but don't really care with their defend. I guess Barcelona might underestimating Girona because their previous matches they weren't so offensive like this one.
Previous winnings doesn't count against Girona, because they're on different levels. This season, are you underestimating Girona? We are certain that this request originates from premier clubs. Girona did not come to Camp Nou to settle for subsequent best; instead, they respected themselves enough to become extremely competitive, and winning has been the Gironistes' foremost objective. Xavi Hernandez and his teammates inspired the audience at first, but they were unable to keep their momentum in the end, as they fought for a draw but ultimately conceded another goal.

Right from when the season started, Girona has been at the top region and performing wonders week in and out. I didn't consider them as threats because I believed that it was an initial strength which will definitely calm down. But the match against Barcelona yesterday made me have a rethink and I have believed in Girona to contest for La Liga title

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December 11, 2023, 12:55:50 PM
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It seems like Barcelona forgot what was at stake while the visitors was just focus on getting goals and securing the 3 point, Barcelona was just doing their touches without getting goals. Girona did what I expected them to do, letting the pressure from the Barcelona team to digest and then they hit them with a counter attack, if you noticed most of the goals  Girona scored if not all came from a counter.
Barcelona is too focused on the victory that must be obtained. Meanwhile, Girona played with cooperation as if they really enjoyed every attack and defense they carried out. There's nothing wrong with focusing on winning, at least don't force yourself to score a lot.
Girono responded very well to Lewandowski's reply. Girona's structured attack strategy from every line made Barcelona's defense unable to anticipate.

Now Girona can dream that they will appear in the UCL next season but don't be lulled by that dream if it is not just a dream. There are still many challenges they will face which must be addressed realistically.

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December 11, 2023, 01:05:57 PM
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Barcelona is really want to score a goal, so they're playing with under pressure. Barcelona only care with their attack since they've made 31 shots, but don't really care with their defend. I guess Barcelona might underestimating Girona because their previous matches they weren't so offensive like this one.
In my opinion, when Barcelona fell behind 1-2 they immediately increased their attacks more aggressively but they were unable to balance their strength when Girona counterattacked. Yes, they failed to maintain their defense and that was their imbalance until Girona was able to score 4 goals in this match.
I think Barcelona didn't underestimate Girona in this match but they failed to form their line to be stronger when the opponent pushed back.

Girona, who is chasing victory in this match, makes them return to leading the standing with a 2 point advantage over Real Madrid. Girona became a trending topic after successfully beating Barcelona where they were praised as being quite strong this season even though looking at their performance of course they are not a team filled with quality players but Girona became strong because of the cooperation between their players.

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December 11, 2023, 01:06:22 PM
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Girona surprised me, I expected the game to be difficult because Barcelona have a very good defense, but the fact that Girona was able to score 4 goals against them is impressive. I didn’t think that after the away match with Barcelona, Girona would have a chance to top the table, this victory shows that Girona can resist the leaders and defeat them. They, along with Real, are still breaking away from the main group, but Atlético can still get closer to them, and Barcelona looks like it will not be able to defend its title this season.
Barcelona is really want to score a goal, so they're playing with under pressure. Barcelona only care with their attack since they've made 31 shots, but don't really care with their defend. I guess Barcelona might underestimating Girona because their previous matches they weren't so offensive like this one.

I don't think Barcelona played badly in this match. However, Barcelona players could not  break Girona's strong defense. Barcelona had a total of 31 shots in this match, 11 of which were on  target. They did a lot of attacks.  But even then they could not break Girona's strong defense. Girona's performance on the other hand was  very stable. And seeing the  performance of Girona  in this match, I think this team has the  ability to become La Liga champions this year. Their players  are performing well, along with the team's match  strategy is excellent.
Girona put up a fantastic performance, showcasing their immense confidence. While I knew they were consistent, winning by such a margin was unexpected. They truly deserves the LaLiga title this season. Their outstanding performance, especially beating Barcelona 4-2 away, has propelled them to the top of the LaLiga standings. This team is a joy to watch, and their counter-attacks are simply outstanding.

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December 11, 2023, 01:08:44 PM
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Barcelona is really want to score a goal, so they're playing with under pressure. Barcelona only care with their attack since they've made 31 shots, but don't really care with their defend. I guess Barcelona might underestimating Girona because their previous matches they weren't so offensive like this one.
Barcelona not only faced with under pressure but also frustrated after failure for scoring goals based on made 31 shots, fourth Girona goas most unbelievable with Barcelona defender move up and not try return back to his defense position and easily for Cristhian Stuani scored last goals. Girona play more defense and all their goals come from counter attack with faster build up to Barcelona defensive area when some Barcelona defender leaves their position.


Not easy facing with teams play more offensive and Barcelona defender player not ready on their position when Girona make counter attack, Xavi Hernandez should have alternative games plan when facing with team more defensive and not want to play offensive. Barcelona must have new game plan exactly make shots out box penalty kick because help them how difficult with huge pressure by team put many player on defensive area than playing more offensive.

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December 11, 2023, 01:11:09 PM
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Previous winnings doesn't count against Girona, because they're on different levels. This season, are you underestimating Girona? We are certain that this request originates from premier clubs. Girona did not come to Camp Nou to settle for subsequent best; instead, they respected themselves enough to become extremely competitive, and winning has been the Gironistes' foremost objective. Xavi Hernandez and his teammates inspired the audience at first, but they were unable to keep their momentum in the end, as they fought for a draw but ultimately conceded another goal.

Actually, Barcelona threw the game away. This was a match they should have won, but they couldn't make use of their chances. They missed so many chances. Even Gundugan looked off in front of goal. Lewandoski was non existent. It was a very interesting match because even if Girona seem to be in the defensive end at times, they played really well whenever they got the ball back.
All Barcelona needed to do to win that game was defend wel and score the chances they get, but they could not and now they sit on 4th on the table with Atletico Madrid having a game in hand and already ahead of them..

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December 11, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
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It looks like Barcelona's defeat will be a hot topic of conversation for the next week because the Blaugrana are the only team in the top 4 that lost against Girona. Previously we knew that when Girona played against Real Madrid and Atletico, they didn't even move and had to accept defeat. Did Xavi not watch a review of Girona's previous match when they faced these two teams so that before the match started he already had a strong idea of the strategy to be able to stop Girona?

However, what is clear here is that Girona is better prepared to beat Barcelona at home and no one expected that there would be many goals in this match and conceding 4 goals proves that Barcelona's defense is so weak.

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December 11, 2023, 01:21:28 PM
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Girona surprised me, I expected the game to be difficult because Barcelona have a very good defense, but the fact that Girona was able to score 4 goals against them is impressive. I didn’t think that after the away match with Barcelona, Girona would have a chance to top the table, this victory shows that Girona can resist the leaders and defeat them. They, along with Real, are still breaking away from the main group, but Atlético can still get closer to them, and Barcelona looks like it will not be able to defend its title this season.
Barcelona is really want to score a goal, so they're playing with under pressure. Barcelona only care with their attack since they've made 31 shots, but don't really care with their defend. I guess Barcelona might underestimating Girona because their previous matches they weren't so offensive like this one.
After seeing how Girona was able to score the first goal in the match by A. Dovbyk in the 12th minute, since then I started to have a bad feeling about the result of the match. But after that 7 minutes later Barcelona was able to equalize again through Lewandowski's goal in the 19th minute. And I could breathe a sigh of relief at that moment. But I really didn't expect it because Girona scored another goal again. And you are right that Barcelona played too openly in this match. I also think the same thing that Barcelona underestimated Girona in this match. Barcelona as the host was truly humiliated in this match. That's why I doubted this fight from the start. But I try to trust Barcelona. Because usually they rarely lose when they host. But in this match, Girona really proved that they are currently at the top of the standings, not just by coincidence or not because they can only beat weak teams. But they have proven that they deserve to be at the top of the standings by beating Barcelona, ​​who became champions last season. I hope this is a lesson for Xavi.

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December 11, 2023, 01:32:47 PM
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For the time being I haven't and will appreciate them when they are able to make a difference of 6 points or a difference of two more wins than Real Madrid or when they have finished 20 matches.
I appreciated Girona's performance when they beat Barcelona at Camp Nou because they played an interesting game. Girona's finishing was much better in taking advantage of every opportunity to score a goal.

Girona surprised me, I expected the game to be difficult because Barcelona have a very good defense, but the fact that Girona was able to score 4 goals against them is impressive. I didn’t think that after the away match with Barcelona, Girona would have a chance to top the table, this victory shows that Girona can resist the leaders and defeat them. They, along with Real, are still breaking away from the main group, but Atlético can still get closer to them, and Barcelona looks like it will not be able to defend its title this season.
Look at the players they have bought this year, they have made very good scout transfers for very little money and all of them are young players who can be valued. They have also reinforced one or two experienced players who can handle the championship race. Girona has become a seriously good team, I don't know if they will become champions, but it seems certain that they will not fall out of the race after this time. In terms of the long-term destiny of football, it's important that teams like Girona keep such stories alive every now and then. They're also really enjoyable to watch, because they manage to bring near-perfect tactical discipline to the pitch every game.

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December 11, 2023, 01:38:35 PM
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Girona surprised me, I expected the game to be difficult because Barcelona have a very good defense, but the fact that Girona was able to score 4 goals against them is impressive. I didn’t think that after the away match with Barcelona, Girona would have a chance to top the table, this victory shows that Girona can resist the leaders and defeat them. They, along with Real, are still breaking away from the main group, but Atlético can still get closer to them, and Barcelona looks like it will not be able to defend its title this season.
Barcelona is really want to score a goal, so they're playing with under pressure. Barcelona only care with their attack since they've made 31 shots, but don't really care with their defend. I guess Barcelona might underestimating Girona because their previous matches they weren't so offensive like this one.
I don't think Barcelona played badly in this match. However, Barcelona players could not  break Girona's strong defense. Barcelona had a total of 31 shots in this match, 11 of which were on  target. They did a lot of attacks.  But even then they could not break Girona's strong defense. Girona's performance on the other hand was  very stable. And seeing the  performance of Girona  in this match, I think this team has the  ability to become La Liga champions this year. Their players  are performing well, along with the team's match  strategy is excellent.
Girona put up a fantastic performance, showcasing their immense confidence. While I knew they were consistent, winning by such a margin was unexpected. They truly deserves the LaLiga title this season. Their outstanding performance, especially beating Barcelona 4-2 away, has propelled them to the top of the LaLiga standings. This team is a joy to watch, and their counter-attacks are simply outstanding.

Apart from the 3-0 defeat against Real Madrid, I have seen great performances f rom Girona players in every match. Girona players performed well against every team. They are playing well in both home and away matches. They won the away match  against Barcelona 4-2. It was Girona's best result of the season. With Girona progressing, it will be very difficult for Real Madrid to hold onto the top spot in the points table. Girona team is still 2 points ahead of Real Madrid.

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December 11, 2023, 01:39:02 PM
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Previous winnings doesn't count against Girona, because they're on different levels. This season, are you underestimating Girona? We are certain that this request originates from premier clubs. Girona did not come to Camp Nou to settle for subsequent best; instead, they respected themselves enough to become extremely competitive, and winning has been the Gironistes' foremost objective. Xavi Hernandez and his teammates inspired the audience at first, but they were unable to keep their momentum in the end, as they fought for a draw but ultimately conceded another goal.

Actually, Barcelona threw the game away. This was a match they should have won, but they couldn't make use of their chances. They missed so many chances. Even Gundugan looked off in front of goal. Lewandoski was non existent. It was a very interesting match because even if Girona seem to be in the defensive end at times, they played really well whenever they got the ball back.
All Barcelona needed to do to win that game was defend wel and score the chances they get, but they could not and now they sit on 4th on the table with Atletico Madrid having a game in hand and already ahead of them..


First of all the defenders and defense was not in a good shape, interesting game like you have said. I just didn't expect so much struggles this season. They've been my favorites to win the league bit shit ain't swinging that way.
Lewandoski was present, there was a chance Cancelo should have passed for him to make it three tow but he did not. These chances and  tap in goals are things Robert Lewandoski does well during his time with Bayern Munich.

Two early goals scored by Atletico Madrid in the first half to help them control the game. So much composure from Alavaro Morata and he finally sent that goal into goal. They currently sit on top of Barcelona on the table

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December 11, 2023, 01:54:42 PM
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For the time being I haven't and will appreciate them when they are able to make a difference of 6 points or a difference of two more wins than Real Madrid or when they have finished 20 matches.
I appreciated Girona's performance when they beat Barcelona at Camp Nou because they played an interesting game. Girona's finishing was much better in taking advantage of every opportunity to score a goal.

Girona surprised me, I expected the game to be difficult because Barcelona have a very good defense, but the fact that Girona was able to score 4 goals against them is impressive. I didn’t think that after the away match with Barcelona, Girona would have a chance to top the table, this victory shows that Girona can resist the leaders and defeat them. They, along with Real, are still breaking away from the main group, but Atlético can still get closer to them, and Barcelona looks like it will not be able to defend its title this season.
Look at the players they have bought this year, they have made very good scout transfers for very little money and all of them are young players who can be valued. They have also reinforced one or two experienced players who can handle the championship race. Girona has become a seriously good team, I don't know if they will become champions, but it seems certain that they will not fall out of the race after this time. In terms of the long-term destiny of football, it's important that teams like Girona keep such stories alive every now and then. They're also really enjoyable to watch, because they manage to bring near-perfect tactical discipline to the pitch every game.
I don't think there is much of a problem with Barcelona's defense. The real problem is that the rotations and wing players do not play with the old Barcelona spirit and the wing players play selfishly. The goals scored by Girona were very good goals. For example, the second goal scored by Gutierrez, there is not much for the Barcelona defense to do, in my opinion, he infiltrated in on his own and made a perfect shot.

While Raphinha was using a free-kick, Lewandowski thought he was going to hit it, but Raphinha even shot him without looking.

Lewa's expression was very good. Even if the name that has been questioned in recent weeks is Lewandowski, as I said, wing players are a problem. Girona gives great feelings to its fans and football lovers, even if they are not champions, they will have a good story.

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December 11, 2023, 01:57:42 PM
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Barcelona is really want to score a goal, so they're playing with under pressure. Barcelona only care with their attack since they've made 31 shots, but don't really care with their defend. I guess Barcelona might underestimating Girona because their previous matches they weren't so offensive like this one.
In my opinion, when Barcelona fell behind 1-2 they immediately increased their attacks more aggressively but they were unable to balance their strength when Girona counterattacked. Yes, they failed to maintain their defense and that was their imbalance until Girona was able to score 4 goals in this match.
I think Barcelona didn't underestimate Girona in this match but they failed to form their line to be stronger when the opponent pushed back.

Girona, who is chasing victory in this match, makes them return to leading the standing with a 2 point advantage over Real Madrid. Girona became a trending topic after successfully beating Barcelona where they were praised as being quite strong this season even though looking at their performance of course they are not a team filled with quality players but Girona became strong because of the cooperation between their players.
The balance between increasing attacks and defending was indeed Barcelona's problem in that match. Girona succeeded to benefit from the Barcelona's unbalance with transitional counterattacks. The breakdown in maintaining their defense became a significant factor in Girona's success. It allowed them to score four goals in the match.

This is a massive win for Girona, because not only they secured a win against Barcelona but also propelled them to the top of the standings with two points above over Real Madrid. The recognition of Girona's strength, despite not having a squad filled with high-profile players, speaks volumes about the effectiveness of their teamwork and cooperation. Girona's performance in beating Barcelona demonstrates the impact of effective teamwork and strategic play. I think the win over Barcelona makes Girona passed the biggest test for them to be considered a serious league title challenger.

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