La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24

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I don't think anyone can stop Girona from winning the La Liga trophy this season experts Real Madrid, Girona's match against Alaves is a bonus game and new that they will win the game to continue topping the league and there heat match will be against Real Betis and the match will be very tough because Real Betis are performing great this season and they are playing at home even if Girona win the game it will not be easy for them, and if Girona fail to defeat Real Betis real madrid win top the league table, Because Real Madrid's next game is a bonus game, and they will definitely win it and continue chasing the trophy with Girona in the table, and I am very confident Girona will drop points soon and give Madrid the lead in the league table, because when Liverpool was topping the Premier League, I didn't expect them to drop points because they were performing well, but Manchester United made them drop points and give Arsenal the lead in the league table.

Adams0001, I see your point although I had to read it a few times to understand it. Of course, Girona is one of the title contenders that should not be underestimated this season. I have to admit when I saw them humiliate Barcelona at home with a score of 2-4, and since then I think Girona deserves to be at the top of the standings with their points advantage.

The next match will never be easy for any team and no one can be underestimated or underestimated. Girona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Barcelona will probably still drop points even if they are favorites in a match, but this season Girona and Real Madrid are title contenders who have a chance to win it.

[fzkto]

I did not expect Rayo Vallecano to lose to Valencia today. From the last home matches Rayo Vallecano lost only to Girona. But the other games were drawn. I thought that Valencia are doing badly this season, but they can catch up with Betis.

[QueenVera]

The group stage of the UEFA Champions League competition is over and Europe's biggest club competition will make a return in February next year which will give Real Madrid enough time to fight for the top spot of the Spanish La Liga. Girona has surprisingly been the most consistent team in the league this season even when they don't have a much quality players like Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid and are very determined to finish the season with the Spanish La Liga title.

Real Madrid's only problem since the start of the season is the fact that they failed to sign a recognized top striker last summer after their former captain Karim Benzema left the club but with the formation that's been adopted by the club manager Carlo Ancelotti, I'm very optimistic that the Spanish giants are gonna reclaim top spot before February that the UEFA Champions League competition will return. Jude Bellingham who has been the club's most important player since the start of the season isn't an injury prone player and doesn't look like who's going to suffer fatique anytime soon. By the time the UCL returns next year, the favourites to win the Spanish La Liga title might be narrowed down to two or at maximum three clubs and I'm very optimistic that Real Madrid will be one of them.

Yes, Real Madrid are one team that will be wanting to secure the league this season and yes, they are having a difficult time this season due to injuries but with the break from the UCL it’ll give them a good run for the league title and help them secure their spot well on top of the league, yes these  Girona is one team trailing them but I think they won’t have the strength to match Real Madrid especially in terms of quality players and squad depth.

 The La Liga big boys didn’t get a striker during summer but they got Jude who has stood up as a striker and an attacking midfielder when called upon amd he’s being doing the job so well, With Real Madrid maintaining winning streaks I think they’ll be taking the league home and would have a huge success in the UCL when it resumes.

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This season, all the teams that have competed against Girona admit that Girona is a tough opponent. Even though Real Madrid was able to beat Girona in the previous match, Girona really made it difficult for Real Madrid to win. Meanwhile, there are only 3 teams who are able to prevent Girona from getting maximum points in 17 matches and only 1 of them is able to beat Girona.

This is one of the best seasons Girona has had in La Liga. They lead the standings with a 2 point advantage over Real Madrid and 9 points from Barcelona. This is the best way to prove that not all poor teams deserve to be underestimated in a competition, so that in the end Girona's performance deserves to lead the standings.

This means that the only team that has been able to beat Girona this season is only Real Madrid, while the other teams until now have not been able to and have only been able to draw so they share points.
We know Barcelona are a big and tough team but Girona being able to beat them is something of a big surprise especially now adrift of points away from Barcelona which I said it would be difficult to pursue.

It seems that this season will belong to Girona even if it doesn't miss until the end of the year, I don't know if after the half-season break there is no decline we don't know about that yet but I believe Girona can still maintain their performance.

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This season, all the teams that have competed against Girona admit that Girona is a tough opponent. Even though Real Madrid was able to beat Girona in the previous match, Girona really made it difficult for Real Madrid to win. Meanwhile, there are only 3 teams who are able to prevent Girona from getting maximum points in 17 matches and only 1 of them is able to beat Girona.

This is one of the best seasons Girona has had in La Liga. They lead the standings with a 2 point advantage over Real Madrid and 9 points from Barcelona. This is the best way to prove that not all poor teams deserve to be underestimated in a competition, so that in the end Girona's performance deserves to lead the standings.

This means that the only team that has been able to beat Girona this season is only Real Madrid, while the other teams until now have not been able to and have only been able to draw so they share points.
We know Barcelona are a big and tough team but Girona being able to beat them is something of a big surprise especially now adrift of points away from Barcelona which I said it would be difficult to pursue.

It seems that this season will belong to Girona even if it doesn't miss until the end of the year, I don't know if after the half-season break there is no decline we don't know about that yet but I believe Girona can still maintain their performance.

Girona have always been a hot topic of discussion this season because of their form and indeed this also includes Barcelona losing by a fairly large margin against Girona previously but rather than comment on Girona I would rather discuss Barcelona's current situation.
In my opinion, Xavi current tiki taka scheme is great but they already have a problem as it's very easy to see through now.
Indeed, it was always worth it in their golden era because there were some players who had good dribbling qualities such as Messi, Ronaldinho, Etoo or some excellent playmakers like Xabi and Iniesta but for now it is still not going to be optimal because their pattern will not be able to be forced with the players they currently have.
We are aware that Barcelona still have a lot of great players now but it can't be compared to their golden era so the tiki taka scheme becomes easy to dispel because now Barcelona's opponents already know how to counter well by waiting in the defensive area and take advantage of the momentum to counterattack if Barcelona do a scheme like this. and it happened against Girona in previous weeks, Girona this season had a very good finish so they only take advantage of Barcelona negligence in the scheme and it proved to be worth it.

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Girona have always been a hot topic of discussion this season because of their form and indeed this also includes Barcelona losing by a fairly large margin against Girona previously but rather than comment on Girona I would rather discuss Barcelona's current situation.
In my opinion, Xavi current tiki taka scheme is great but they already have a problem as it's very easy to see through now.
Indeed, it was always worth it in their golden era because there were some players who had good dribbling qualities such as Messi, Ronaldinho, Etoo or some excellent playmakers like Xabi and Iniesta but for now it is still not going to be optimal because their pattern will not be able to be forced with the players they currently have.
We are aware that Barcelona still have a lot of great players now but it can't be compared to their golden era so the tiki taka scheme becomes easy to dispel because now Barcelona's opponents already know how to counter well by waiting in the defensive area and take advantage of the momentum to counterattack if Barcelona do a scheme like this. and it happened against Girona in previous weeks, Girona this season had a very good finish so they only take advantage of Barcelona negligence in the scheme and it proved to be worth it.

Xavi's scheme is not wrong, he knows that this scheme is a scheme that is good enough for Barcelona especially this is their hallmark in competing but I also agree with what you said because for now Xavi's scheme is still very lacking and cannot be applied properly to the current players especially since clubs in La Liga already know very well what they have to do because they just have to continue to defend and wait for the momentum when Barcelona makes mistakes in their attacking patterns.

Actually, Barcelona's attack pattern did not only fail against Girona but indeed in several other matches as well. Their finishing problem is also still quite disturbed at the moment, especially when Lewa, who is the spearhead, still cannot restore his performance like last season which makes Barcelona even more troubled.
But the season is still long enough so there is still time for Xavi to continue to develop performance and restore the performance of the players who are missing at the moment so that they can regain momentum and continue to compete in La Liga especially now that their status is the defending champion.

[Wiwo]

Girona are in very good form. They are in very good form this season. I don't want to get into an argument about this. But I'd say it's not going to be easy for Girona to win the next two matches.


Rest Betis and Atletico Madrid are two renowned teams of La Liga. Many times we have seen Real Betis team perform well against the big teams and earn points. Although Real Betis' performance this season has been a bit poor, the team has lost only two matches this season. Betis will try their best to get 1 point against Girona. I think this match is more likely to be a draw. On the other hand, anything can happen in Atletico Madrid vs Girona match. Atletico Madrid also have a very strong squad.

Because of the uncertainty of Girona winning the two next match,  reason why I stated in the last paragraph of my comment how it impossible to out rightly predict a winning for any club as long as football is concerned,  everything depends on the 90+ minutes of the game and any opportunities os a chance for the opposition to take advantage of to make difference in their goals points,  many times within this season,  the Girona team players have made such mistakes of allowing opposition to make early score,  which will become hard for them to equalize at some point so we need to watch out for the possible performance in the match before we make any statement.

Although Girona have a better player lineup than the opposition even the number of available players also it's far better than their opposition.

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Xavi's scheme is not wrong, he knows that this scheme is a scheme that is good enough for Barcelona especially this is their hallmark in competing but I also agree with what you said because for now Xavi's scheme is still very lacking and cannot be applied properly to the current players especially since clubs in La Liga already know very well what they have to do because they just have to continue to defend and wait for the momentum when Barcelona makes mistakes in their attacking patterns.

Actually, Barcelona's attack pattern did not only fail against Girona but indeed in several other matches as well. Their finishing problem is also still quite disturbed at the moment, especially when Lewa, who is the spearhead, still cannot restore his performance like last season which makes Barcelona even more troubled.
But the season is still long enough so there is still time for Xavi to continue to develop performance and restore the performance of the players who are missing at the moment so that they can regain momentum and continue to compete in La Liga especially now that their status is the defending champion.

Barcelona's problem this season is not only about the goal productivity of their strikers, but Barcelona is also disturbed in defense. Barcelona only conceded 20 goals in 38 matches last season, but this season they have conceded 19 goals in 17 matches. Barcelona's goals per game ratio is relatively low compared to Bilbao, Atletico Madrid, Girona and also Real Madrid. These are several problems that Xavi must immediately resolve, otherwise Barcelona will not be able to compete until the end of the season to defend its title.

Until week 17, Real Madrid was the strongest team in defense with only conceding 11 goals. Their goal productivity is also very impressive, but unfortunately Girona, who is in good form, has managed to lead the standings at the moment. I know Real Madrid can easily throw Girona into second place, that's because the gap between the two points is only 2 points.

[Belarge]

Girona are in very good form. They are in very good form this season. I don't want to get into an argument about this. But I'd say it's not going to be easy for Girona to win the next two matches.


Rest Betis and Atletico Madrid are two renowned teams of La Liga. Many times we have seen Real Betis team perform well against the big teams and earn points. Although Real Betis' performance this season has been a bit poor, the team has lost only two matches this season. Betis will try their best to get 1 point against Girona. I think this match is more likely to be a draw. On the other hand, anything can happen in Atletico Madrid vs Girona match. Atletico Madrid also have a very strong squad.

Diego Simeone have set out his plans to ensure he wins a competitive club this season. Los Colchoneros are 4th on the table with good points incoming to accumulate, never relent on a club to become a promising one because there are obstacles that will comprehend a club. Atletico Madrid can be a very promising threat for Girona this season but we're still waiting and expecting the very best performance from both sides. Real Betis can't not stand to face the capacity of Girona this season. Girona are first on the table, not withstanding any current pressure.

[harapan]

Today's games were kind of tricky to predict. I didn't know what team or options to bet on, especially the Sevilla vs Granada game. I knew Sevilla had the upper hand to win because of how bad Granada has been this season, but I had to put tge inconsistency of Sevilla into consideration.
Fortunately for Sevilla, they're not going to have any problems today from Granada. Sevilla is 2- nil up in the first half and except a very funny drama happens in the second half, 3 points is sure for Sevilla. I wish I had taken the risk to bet on Sevilla.

In other news, Atletico seem to understand the assignment. I played them to win and they're winning. Although things might get tricky in the second half because Savic has received a second yellow card and he's out of the game.
Knowing Atletico Madrid, they would go into full defense mode in the second half. I'm hopeful because the goal came after the red card, meaning they can still score even if they're a man down .

[Falconer]

Today's games were kind of tricky to predict. I didn't know what team or options to bet on, especially the Sevilla vs Granada game. I knew Sevilla had the upper hand to win because of how bad Granada has been this season, but I had to put tge inconsistency of Sevilla into consideration.
Fortunately for Sevilla, they're not going to have any problems today from Granada. Sevilla is 2- nil up in the first half and except a very funny drama happens in the second half, 3 points is sure for Sevilla. I wish I had taken the risk to bet on Sevilla.

In other news, Atletico seem to understand the assignment. I played them to win and they're winning. Although things might get tricky in the second half because Savic has received a second yellow card and he's out of the game.
Knowing Atletico Madrid, they would go into full defense mode in the second half. I'm hopeful because the goal came after the red card, meaning they can still score even if they're a man down .

Atletico Madrid and Sevilla must really be able to take advantage of this match to get maximum points. Atletico Madrid and Sevilla both dropped points in their last matches against Athletic Bilbao and Getafe, so there is no better reason not to win today's match. Sevilla's victory will quench the thirst for all their fans, but Atletico must win to create a points gap with Barcelona.

Atletico Madrid will get 2 points higher than Barcelona this week if they manage to win this match. Of course things became difficult when they had to play with 10 players in the second half, but the chance of winning was still good. Sevilla will improve their position in the standings this week, if they win then Sevilla will have to party all night.

[Palakka]

Barcelona's problem this season is not only about the goal productivity of their strikers, but Barcelona is also disturbed in defense. Barcelona only conceded 20 goals in 38 matches last season, but this season they have conceded 19 goals in 17 matches. Barcelona's goals per game ratio is relatively low compared to Bilbao, Atletico Madrid, Girona and also Real Madrid. These are several problems that Xavi must immediately resolve, otherwise Barcelona will not be able to compete until the end of the season to defend its title.

Until week 17, Real Madrid was the strongest team in defense with only conceding 11 goals. Their goal productivity is also very impressive, but unfortunately Girona, who is in good form, has managed to lead the standings at the moment. I know Real Madrid can easily throw Girona into second place, that's because the gap between the two points is only 2 points.

Barcelona performance which is not too smooth in Laliga could result in them not being able to defend their title this season. It's time for Barcelona to really have to focus well in every match to be able to catch Real Madrid and Girona. I think Barcelona big mistake this season is of course the storm of injuries that befell them where Gavi injury meant they didn't appear stronger in several matches.

In my opinion, Girona or Real Madrid will compete to win the championship this season because Barcelona is already quite far behind Girona who leads the standings. Also Real Madrid has beaten Barcelona at the Elcasico in this season's match and also Barcelona was beaten by Griona at the Camp nou stadium so Barcelona is not too strong this season.

[Richbased]

The group stage of the UEFA Champions League competition is over and Europe's biggest club competition will make a return in February next year which will give Real Madrid enough time to fight for the top spot of the Spanish La Liga. Girona has surprisingly been the most consistent team in the league this season even when they don't have a much quality players like Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid and are very determined to finish the season with the Spanish La Liga title.

Real Madrid's only problem since the start of the season is the fact that they failed to sign a recognized top striker last summer after their former captain Karim Benzema left the club but with the formation that's been adopted by the club manager Carlo Ancelotti, I'm very optimistic that the Spanish giants are gonna reclaim top spot before February that the UEFA Champions League competition will return. Jude Bellingham who has been the club's most important player since the start of the season isn't an injury prone player and doesn't look like who's going to suffer fatique anytime soon. By the time the UCL returns next year, the favourites to win the Spanish La Liga title might be narrowed down to two or at maximum three clubs and I'm very optimistic that Real Madrid will be one of them.

Yes, Real Madrid are one team that will be wanting to secure the league this season and yes, they are having a difficult time this season due to injuries but with the break from the UCL it’ll give them a good run for the league title and help them secure their spot well on top of the league, yes these  Girona is one team trailing them but I think they won’t have the strength to match Real Madrid especially in terms of quality players and squad depth.

Though Real Madrid have been so resilient in their performance so far but I don't think they may be able to win the la Liga this season reason being that they're competing in the Champions league and also their domestic league so a time will come when fatigue may start affecting most of their players due to playing too many matches just within a few interval of days so at that time they will start dropping in form thereby giving other title contenders the opportunity to overtake them and possibly win the la Liga title.

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Today's games were kind of tricky to predict. I didn't know what team or options to bet on,

I agree that the combination of fluctuating teams make it very hard to predict the winner in this avoid to bet on matches if we can say that. The only exception might be Atletico Madrid since it is way favourite than Getafe and the hardest to predict is Rayo Vallecano match against Valencia because the two teams are close to each others, yet Rayo Vallecano lost with one goal in their home.

Fortunately for Sevilla, they're not going to have any problems today from Granada. Sevilla is 2- nil up in the first half and except a very funny drama happens in the second half, 3 points is sure for Sevilla. I wish I had taken the risk to bet on Sevilla.

Granada continues to have a very bad performance that started already from the previous season at least and apparently this time they will not escape the relegation for real. Sevilla which is fluctuating and barely winning, are already 3 points ahead of them after 50 minutes from the start of the game..

In other news, Atletico seem to understand the assignment. I played them to win and they're winning. Although things might get tricky in the second half because Savic has received a second yellow card and he's out of the game.
Knowing Atletico Madrid, they would go into full defense mode in the second half. I'm hopeful because the goal came after the red card, meaning they can still score even if they're a man down .

Well Atletico Madrid were leading with 1 goal before Getafe getting the draw few minutes ago. Playing with 10 players will make the game more complicated, yet I think Atletico Madrid could win this match.

[wmaurik]

Diego Simeone have set out his plans to ensure he wins a competitive club this season. Los Colchoneros are 4th on the table with good points incoming to accumulate, never relent on a club to become a promising one because there are obstacles that will comprehend a club. Atletico Madrid can be a very promising threat for Girona this season but we're still waiting and expecting the very best performance from both sides. Real Betis can't not stand to face the capacity of Girona this season. Girona are first on the table, not withstanding any current pressure.

Since the start of this season I have also seen that Atletico Madrid could indeed be a threat to other teams, especially to Girona who are currently at the top of the standings. But what I'm worried about right now is not Girona, but Barcelona, which might not be able to get third place when Atletico Madrid continues to consistently win matches in La Liga. As for Girona, I think that the team will continue to be great until the end of the season even though there is a possibility for Real Madrid to take over Girona's position this season.

[Rengga Jati]

They are all playing nothing to loose. Their goal is always to win every match....

Girona will not be slowing down, will they? They don't look like a team that would let anything stop them. They're so determined.
I must confess that I was one of those who never gave them a chance in the beginning. I have been following the La Liga for a while now and it was not the first time a team climbs to the top of the table, so I was not convinced by Girona, but as time went by they began ti convince me one game after the other.

Yes, right now they are truly Unstoppable. It seems like you're not the only one who feels that way. I'm sure many people, including me personally, are also very surprised by how Girona is progressing. In the last season, Girona was never even a team worth considering and I myself never even focused on this team. However, when suddenly Girona was able to reach the top and continue to consistently be in the top position or runners up in La Liga this season, I was really interested and curious about what group Girona was actually like and what about their squad. and it turns out that the strongest ones are not the famous ones or consist of the world's top players, right? but their coach can really manage and optimize all their strengths, unite them solidly and motivate them very well so that they are always on fire and motivated to win without any heavy burden on them. This is truly amazing. Even though in the end Girona did not hold the La Liga trophy and they were able to enter the UCL, this was a very good achievement for them.

Currently Atletico Madrid is playing against Getafe. I think that Atletico Madrid can beat Getafe. but unfortunately their team got a red card in the 30th minute. so this will definitely affect their performance. Luckily after that they were also able to score one goal. Well at least this isn't bad enough. But that didn't last long because Getafe were also able to equalize one-on-one until now it's still the same. This is a quite dangerous position for Atletico Madrid because the match is still quite long and anything can happen, especially since they are only playing with 10 people.

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Since the start of this season I have also seen that Atletico Madrid could indeed be a threat to other teams, especially to Girona who are currently at the top of the standings. But what I'm worried about right now is not Girona, but Barcelona, which might not be able to get third place when Atletico Madrid continues to consistently win matches in La Liga. As for Girona, I think that the team will continue to be great until the end of the season even though there is a possibility for Real Madrid to take over Girona's position this season.

This season, both Barcelona and Atletico Madrid are not much different at all. If you say Atletico Madrid is better, then look at their statistics so far. Barcelona has only suffered 2 defeats in 17 matches, while Atletico Madrid has suffered 4 defeats. If Getafe is really able to make changes to today's match, then it is not impossible that Atletico Madrid will suffer 5 defeats.

I'm not worried about Barcelona even though I don't expect them to defend the title this season. Real Madrid is a team I expect to win the La Liga title after they failed last season, but this season is still very long and everything can still change.

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Xavi's scheme is not wrong, he knows that this scheme is a scheme that is good enough for Barcelona especially this is their hallmark in competing but I also agree with what you said because for now Xavi's scheme is still very lacking and cannot be applied properly to the current players especially since clubs in La Liga already know very well what they have to do because they just have to continue to defend and wait for the momentum when Barcelona makes mistakes in their attacking patterns.

Actually, Barcelona's attack pattern did not only fail against Girona but indeed in several other matches as well. Their finishing problem is also still quite disturbed at the moment, especially when Lewa, who is the spearhead, still cannot restore his performance like last season which makes Barcelona even more troubled.
But the season is still long enough so there is still time for Xavi to continue to develop performance and restore the performance of the players who are missing at the moment so that they can regain momentum and continue to compete in La Liga especially now that their status is the defending champion.

Barcelona's problem this season is not only about the goal productivity of their strikers, but Barcelona is also disturbed in defense. Barcelona only conceded 20 goals in 38 matches last season, but this season they have conceded 19 goals in 17 matches. Barcelona's goals per game ratio is relatively low compared to Bilbao, Atletico Madrid, Girona and also Real Madrid. These are several problems that Xavi must immediately resolve, otherwise Barcelona will not be able to compete until the end of the season to defend its title.

Until week 17, Real Madrid was the strongest team in defense with only conceding 11 goals. Their goal productivity is also very impressive, but unfortunately Girona, who is in good form, has managed to lead the standings at the moment. I know Real Madrid can easily throw Girona into second place, that's because the gap between the two points is only 2 points.

Talking about the defenders of Barcelona and their performance in the last games they had, Revently Barcelona didn't have a good performance in the ems we saw from the team and especially in the last game they had against Valencia in which Barcelona got a 1-1 against this team but Ronald Araújo the player of Barcelona start defending their team and the performance they had. Ronald Araújo said even after the games they don't good results, Ronald Araújo is excited because he will try to get better results in the next games,

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Well Atletico Madrid were leading with 1 goal before Getafe getting the draw few minutes ago. Playing with 10 players will make the game more complicated, yet I think Atletico Madrid could win this match.

How is Atletico winning this game 3-1 with 10 men? This is some interesting stuff. After it was 1-1, I thought Atletico were going to defend it since they were on a red card, but they were able to score 2 goals. The decision to remove De Paul and bring in Morata has paid off.
Greizmann is still the man for Atletico, he's not slowing down.

Though Real Madrid have been so resilient in their performance so far but I don't think they may be able to win the la Liga this season reason being that they're competing in the Champions league and also their domestic league so a time will come when fatigue may start affecting most of their players due to playing too many matches just within a few interval of days so at that time they will start dropping in form thereby giving other title contenders the opportunity to overtake them and possibly win the la Liga title.

Real Madrid is not a small team that cannot deal with 3 competitions at the same time. I'm not saying they'll win it, but saying they can't win the league because of the Champions League is false. Teams like Madrid start the season to win every single trophy. They don't focus on just a single trophy. If they lose out on anyone, they move on to the next, but their original target was every single trophy.

[TelolettOm]

How is Atletico winning this game 3-1 with 10 men? This is some interesting stuff. After it was 1-1, I thought Atletico were going to defend it since they were on a red card, but they were able to score 2 goals. The decision to remove De Paul and bring in Morata has paid off.
Greizmann is still the man for Atletico, he's not slowing down.

What a pity Atletico Madrid.
Even though Atletico Madrid were able to take the lead even though they only played with 10 players. They were even able to lead 3 - 1 until the 69th minute. But unfortunately. they failed to maintain it. And unfortunately, they had to get back a goal from Getafe's final kick in the last minute. This match is almost over. and it seems that Atletico Madrid's chances of winning are getting smaller. It's very unfortunate. But what can I do, they are playing with 10 players. The coach should have been able to anticipate several things when they were leading at 3-1.
And the result of the full time match between Atletico Madrid vs Getafe is 3 - 3. This is quite a disappointing result for ATM.