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July 11, 2022, 10:28:45 PM |
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You misunderstood what I was trying to say here. I clearly mentioned that it's never a good idea to submit fake documents for the reasons that you specified, but I can understand why they submit them despite all the risks involved.
Also, it's common sense to only provide your KYC to trustworthy sites like Roobet, Stake etc.
Submitting your KYC documents is really risky and I would never do that as your privacy is in your hands and I am not comfortable with it but if you are submitting for playing then go through legit manners as these casinos have strict policies to freeze your account if they found something suspicious in your documents. Depends on the idea of what you are sharing. If you are sharing your own picture, your ID and all of that then maybe you wouldn't feel that comfortable with it. But, if you are sharing your address and name, literally just text and no image, then you may want to believe that it's fine. Or maybe you would not want anything at all, who knows? This is why I believe that we shouldn't really be believing that KYC is bad for everyone, some people are fine with ALL kinds of KYC and they do not mind at all, some people are fine up to certain levels of KYC and not fine with the rest, and some people are against all kinds of it. This is why there isn't a guaranteed thing that covers all people. Most of the time people doesnt really like KYC and this is the main reason on why crypto gambling had boomed that much because of this reason. People doesn't really like KYC because many are afraid about possible problem they will get since there are so many case of identity theft happen, but I guess for doing it on legitimate platform is very fine and if they can't really afford to do this anywhere well maybe its good for them to transfer on different casino which didn't required more to their players. But I guess this is much riskier because we don't know if that casino is good and will not scam their users.
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July 12, 2022, 06:09:08 PM |
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They can’t stop them but at least prevented those who are trying to cheat on the site, Roobet might not be able to catch all those minors, with this KYC they can at least lessen them. Well, there’s a lot of minors already exposed to gambling, its really bad that the site forces KYC just to help those minors getting away from gambling. KYC with Roobet has been running for years already, I believe we cannot change this anymore.
and also it is Parents obligation to watch over their Minors and Gambling sites will do their part also, because no matter how strict the security and rules of gambling sites? lets accept the fact that internet offers ways on how minor can do their gambling activities without being notices and we also knew that KYC isn't the answer for this case. I don't even think that matters. Some people will have to do the wrong thing to learn why it is a wrong thing and grow thanks to it. Some kid who tries to touch the heater, will burn his hands, will probably heal, and realize that you shouldn't touch the heater. I mean of course do not let it go too far ahead, but you gotta first learn the mistakes by doing them, that's how childhood is, the extremes are banned beforehand, but mediocre ones are usually allowed in order to teach the kids a lesson. I remember when I was a kid I always came home with bruises and injuries because I loved to throw myself around, skateboarding, roller blades, basketball, football, hell even swimming injuries which is rare unless you are drowning, but I didn't, I just hit my head to the side and hit my hand to the wall when I didn't realize the lane ended. So basically gambling is like that, illegal, but they will learn why it is after only doing it.
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July 12, 2022, 08:31:20 PM |
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You misunderstood what I was trying to say here. I clearly mentioned that it's never a good idea to submit fake documents for the reasons that you specified, but I can understand why they submit them despite all the risks involved.
Also, it's common sense to only provide your KYC to trustworthy sites like Roobet, Stake etc.
Submitting your KYC documents is really risky and I would never do that as your privacy is in your hands and I am not comfortable with it but if you are submitting for playing then go through legit manners as these casinos have strict policies to freeze your account if they found something suspicious in your documents. Depends on the idea of what you are sharing. If you are sharing your own picture, your ID and all of that then maybe you wouldn't feel that comfortable with it. But, if you are sharing your address and name, literally just text and no image, then you may want to believe that it's fine. Or maybe you would not want anything at all, who knows? This is why I believe that we shouldn't really be believing that KYC is bad for everyone, some people are fine with ALL kinds of KYC and they do not mind at all, some people are fine up to certain levels of KYC and not fine with the rest, and some people are against all kinds of it. This is why there isn't a guaranteed thing that covers all people. Most of the time people doesnt really like KYC and this is the main reason on why crypto gambling had boomed that much because of this reason. People doesn't really like KYC because many are afraid about possible problem they will get since there are so many case of identity theft happen, but I guess for doing it on legitimate platform is very fine and if they can't really afford to do this anywhere well maybe its good for them to transfer on different casino which didn't required more to their players. But I guess this is much riskier because we don't know if that casino is good and will not scam their users. Reputation is one of the main things that we do check first before we do trust up on a certain platform and getting confident on sending out verification or information if we do see that it do fits. Majority of people on this crypto space doesnt really like kyc as much as possible but if you are really that a fan of Roobet then you could always comply on whats been asked but of course it would really be in exchange on exposing those basic information but for a trusted and reputable platform or casino then you would be confident at least that those information wont leak out easily.
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July 12, 2022, 10:31:31 PM |
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You misunderstood what I was trying to say here. I clearly mentioned that it's never a good idea to submit fake documents for the reasons that you specified, but I can understand why they submit them despite all the risks involved.
Also, it's common sense to only provide your KYC to trustworthy sites like Roobet, Stake etc.
Submitting your KYC documents is really risky and I would never do that as your privacy is in your hands and I am not comfortable with it but if you are submitting for playing then go through legit manners as these casinos have strict policies to freeze your account if they found something suspicious in your documents. Depends on the idea of what you are sharing. If you are sharing your own picture, your ID and all of that then maybe you wouldn't feel that comfortable with it. But, if you are sharing your address and name, literally just text and no image, then you may want to believe that it's fine. Or maybe you would not want anything at all, who knows? This is why I believe that we shouldn't really be believing that KYC is bad for everyone, some people are fine with ALL kinds of KYC and they do not mind at all, some people are fine up to certain levels of KYC and not fine with the rest, and some people are against all kinds of it. This is why there isn't a guaranteed thing that covers all people. Most of the time people doesnt really like KYC and this is the main reason on why crypto gambling had boomed that much because of this reason. People doesn't really like KYC because many are afraid about possible problem they will get since there are so many case of identity theft happen, but I guess for doing it on legitimate platform is very fine and if they can't really afford to do this anywhere well maybe its good for them to transfer on different casino which didn't required more to their players. But I guess this is much riskier because we don't know if that casino is good and will not scam their users. Reputation is one of the main things that we do check first before we do trust up on a certain platform and getting confident on sending out verification or information if we do see that it do fits. Majority of people on this crypto space doesnt really like kyc as much as possible but if you are really that a fan of Roobet then you could always comply on whats been asked but of course it would really be in exchange on exposing those basic information but for a trusted and reputable platform or casino then you would be confident at least that those information wont leak out easily. I didn't like to provide this requirements before but as times fly by and we want something good to happen on bitcoin especially on making it legal on some aspects then providing this necessary will be accepted and this should be done by anyone this is why we need to choose the most reputable among them so that no troubles will happen to us in next following months. Also if we don't do anything illegal I think there's nothing to worry about.
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July 13, 2022, 04:35:38 AM |
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They do this because they are aware of all the information leaking incidents which happen on a regular basis which is why they prefer gambling anonymously.
You might be right and it might be right for few cases but in maximum cases this cant be true. And mainly the purpose of using fake document in gambling site is to misuse bonus system. Another reason might be to hide him/her from being expose from legal action. And only few percentage people do not use it for the fear of leaking incidents.
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July 13, 2022, 06:18:51 AM |
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You might be right and it might be right for few cases but in maximum cases this cant be true.
I disagree. Most gamblers including me shifted from FIAT to crypto gambling primarily because of anonymous gambling without having to worry about government intrusion at any point of time. KYC effectively nullifies that. Also, information leaking incidents happen more often than you think. They affected big companies like Facebook etc which is why I have no idea why you think they aren't common in the crypto gambling world.
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July 13, 2022, 06:33:02 AM |
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You might be right and it might be right for few cases but in maximum cases this cant be true.
I disagree. Most gamblers including me shifted from FIAT to crypto gambling primarily because of anonymous gambling without having to worry about government intrusion at any point of time. KYC effectively nullifies that. I agree with this agreement, must gamblers including me shifted from FIAT and real physical casino to crypto casino. Because where are no havening to worry about government restrictions and any terms & conditions. normally in our country gambling is totally illegal. So here we are facing many hurdles for gambling. that's why crypto casino is a big opportunity for us. and i can easily use cryoto casinos According to my needs. and enjoying it
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July 13, 2022, 09:47:51 AM |
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I disagree. Most gamblers including me shifted from FIAT to crypto gambling primarily because of anonymous gambling without having to worry about government intrusion at any point of time. KYC effectively nullifies that.
Yes we can say that most of the people who shifted from physical gambling to crypto based gambling the majority of them wants to remain anonymous and these KYC norms affect them a lot and you can gamble without any worries but under AML policies they have to integrate these new rules. Also, information leaking incidents happen more often than you think. They affected big companies like Facebook etc which is why I have no idea why you think they aren't common in the crypto gambling world.
Data leak is quite common like the database they are using for storing your information could be hacked or if they are using any third party software then it's more risk because they have chances of hacking more.
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I agree, having minors is something you have to accept when you are building an online business, no matter what kind of business it is, minors will always have a way to get in. I remember myself at 18 and under and I was going around in darknet let alone lie about my age, and I have seen things there I will never forget and never got in there ever again in my life, and never will again. ToR browser is done for me, and will never install it on my computer in my entire life. Some things scar you for life, gambling is not one of them. If you are a kid, you shouldn't gamble, but Roobet can't stop them even if they tried, impossible, even with KYC.
Idk. Why do you think so? Imo, it's almost impossible for an underage person to pass KYC. If their parents, or older members of the family, are not helping them in the process of cheating(and why would they, in the first place?), how can they successfully pass it? Well, maybe there are some "geniuses", but for most people it would be really hard to do.
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July 13, 2022, 12:01:48 PM |
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For verification of the player if it is children or not i guess the most convenient way is to make another layer of security but this i guess i don't have idea for now, gambling platform will not make a new feature for their player a camera because it is more hassle to them to have this kind of features and also most of the player would like to keep themselves anonymous in playing having a verified KYC is enough. For now KYC is one of the most effective but to prevent play it like let their parents it is all about their concern not for the gambling casino itself.
I believe this should be the parents responsibility not the casino's a smart teenager will learn how to buy or fake documents so they can play and do what they want the same way teenagers find ways to buy alcohol in several countries where it's forbidden to sell it for people under 18 or under 21.
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I wonder why we're need to discuss about gambling responsibility since it's an endless situation.
Casino already did a way to stop underage or addicts to gambling by asking their KYC, record a video and self exclusions. In other side, someone can do fake KYC, cosplay and act like the person you use as your KYC, using VPN or play in other casino to avoid self exclusions. There's still a way to abuse the rules, but most of them can't since they need to spend a big times, effort and money too. I doubt they will do that just because they want to gamble in a specific casino.
After all, it's what it's and no need to discuss about this kind stuff.
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July 13, 2022, 03:03:55 PM |
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Thus its still best to provide our real information. However we have to be careful and be certain that the particular site can be trusted.
You misunderstood what I was trying to say here. I clearly mentioned that it's never a good idea to submit fake documents for the reasons that you specified, but I can understand why they submit them despite all the risks involved. Also, it's common sense to only provide your KYC to trustworthy sites like Roobet, Stake etc. Submitting your KYC documents is really risky and I would never do that as your privacy is in your hands and I am not comfortable with it but if you are submitting for playing then go through legit manners as these casinos have strict policies to freeze your account if they found something suspicious in your documents. you can't say you'll never do KYC, because if you look at all services that involve money on the internet these days they're asking people to do KYC, that's not because people who create websites where money is involved like KYC, they do not like. but they need to comply with the laws, unfortunately it hurts a lot to lose privacy but we have to comply with the laws. look at exchanges, they ask for KYC, casinos are also required to ask for KYC. on the issue that they can take our documents to obscure things, well that's a risk we'll have to take, unfortunately I wonder why we're need to discuss about gambling responsibility since it's an endless situation.
Casino already did a way to stop underage or addicts to gambling by asking their KYC, record a video and self exclusions. In other side, someone can do fake KYC, cosplay and act like the person you use as your KYC, using VPN or play in other casino to avoid self exclusions. There's still a way to abuse the rules, but most of them can't since they need to spend a big times, effort and money too. I doubt they will do that just because they want to gamble in a specific casino.
After all, it's what it's and no need to discuss about this kind stuff.
I wonder what the hell would it be for someone to hand over false documents? Does this person have any idea that he is committing a great crime? if the person is afraid of KYC and doesn't feel comfortable then it is better for the person to look for another site that does not ask for KYC than to deliver false documents. I also don't understand what's on the minds of those minors who like to play in casinos, where do they get so much money to play? And how can parents not find out that their underage child is gambling at the casino? and something I don't understand
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July 13, 2022, 07:18:31 PM |
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you can't say you'll never do KYC, because if you look at all services that involve money on the internet these days they're asking people to do KYC.
I disagree. I have never submitted any KYC in any of the crypto gambling sites that I have played in so far and I won decent amounts which I withdrew successfully without any issues so far. I also don't understand what's on the minds of those minors who like to play in casinos, where do they get so much money to play? And how can parents not find out that their underage child is gambling at the casino? and something I don't understand
They usually never inform their parents and just steal their debit/credit cards in order to play online. Parents do find out later on through their bank transactions or messages or emails.
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July 13, 2022, 07:36:27 PM |
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I wonder what the hell would it be for someone to hand over false documents? Does this person have any idea that he is committing a great crime? if the person is afraid of KYC and doesn't feel comfortable then it is better for the person to look for another site that does not ask for KYC than to deliver false documents. I also don't understand what's on the minds of those minors who like to play in casinos, where do they get so much money to play? And how can parents not find out that their underage child is gambling at the casino? and something I don't understand
Totally no sense right? You know the risk of identity theft once you are being caught and its just dumb for someone to take such action without minding about those probabilities and its true that if we dont like KYC then we do just simply skip out and find on another place rather than putting yourself on using false information and also not only talking about legal aspects but also into the time when you do make out some verification then you wont really still able to solve the problem since you arent the ones who owned those documents on the first place. Kids could usually play but only once or on the time that their parents do notice those spendings that they have done.
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July 13, 2022, 08:24:52 PM |
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I wonder what the hell would it be for someone to hand over false documents? Does this person have any idea that he is committing a great crime? if the person is afraid of KYC and doesn't feel comfortable then it is better for the person to look for another site that does not ask for KYC than to deliver false documents. I also don't understand what's on the minds of those minors who like to play in casinos, where do they get so much money to play? And how can parents not find out that their underage child is gambling at the casino? and something I don't understand
People pass fake identity on KYC simply because they do not want to give their own identity because of various reasons. Generally they try to do it so they will have the possibility to be eligible of withdrawals whenever the casino suspects their account or they won some good amount of money wherein KYC is most likely to be asked. Minors have their own minds, they may get it from their parents or personal income regardless of their age. Some parent won't always be able to monitor their child's activity on computers specially on activities using their phones since it not really easy to do it.
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It is true that the amount of minimum withdrawal and deposit for this casino site is very cheap and it is suitable for Every small and neeb gamble for handle this price for play and learning casino. And it will help everyone to withdrawal any amount coz the amount of withdrawal is very cheap on this site. I personally like this site
Same here. I like the fact that their minimum deposit/withdrawal is cheap that every average gamblers can afford. This is one of what I like on Roobet especially if I only have small capital to play. Though I dont stick in one casino, but still, this site is one thats in my list everytime im in the mood to gamble. Its a plus point also that I managed to win of some of their promotional contests, a reason to trust Roobet more. The best of all is that with little balance s can achieve many things, among them those of us who like slots is an ideal option to play here, slots for me have become one of the most sought after games in all casinos, before It used to be poker, but seeing that PVP in poker is so difficult thanks to bitcasino.io and stake.com I got a great taste for slots, and reviewing and playing on Roobet one of the best things about their deposits and withdrawals that be so low is to enjoy the benefits of slots to the fullest, I think that Roobet has been one of the casinos that have seen it grow very quickly, just like Duelbits, Betfury, among others. I wonder what the hell would it be for someone to hand over false documents? Does this person have any idea that he is committing a great crime? if the person is afraid of KYC and doesn't feel comfortable then it is better for the person to look for another site that does not ask for KYC than to deliver false documents. I also don't understand what's on the minds of those minors who like to play in casinos, where do they get so much money to play? And how can parents not find out that their underage child is gambling at the casino? and something I don't understand
People pass fake identity on KYC simply because they do not want to give their own identity because of various reasons. Generally they try to do it so they will have the possibility to be eligible of withdrawals whenever the casino suspects their account or they won some good amount of money wherein KYC is most likely to be asked. Minors have their own minds, they may get it from their parents or personal income regardless of their age. Some parent won't always be able to monitor their child's activity on computers specially on activities using their phones since it not really easy to do it. The bad thing about dr flasos KYC is that if you have a very large profit, it is likely that they will ask for another additional KYC for simple security, sometimes in exchanges like Binance that happens, in addition, the fact of accepting the proposed T&C is already known that we have to adhere to their demands, for me it makes no sense to give a false KYC, because who are we kidding? to ourselves.
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July 14, 2022, 02:35:25 PM |
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They usually never inform their parents and just steal their debit/credit cards in order to play online. Parents do find out later on through their bank transactions or messages or emails.
Parents or guardians must have a look at the activities of their children to be aware about their ongoing habits but yes have seen in many cases that minors have drained out thousand of dollars out of their parents cards just on these gambling and some other games.But they should be guided in proper way.
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Parents or guardians must have a look at the activities of their children to be aware about their ongoing habits but yes have seen in many cases that minors have drained out thousand of dollars out of their parents cards just on these gambling and some other games.But they should be guided in proper way.
Actually most of parents already look at his kids activity everyday, but some of them don't really strict that always on the kids where ever they go, they just give their kids privacy since not all things should be controlled. If you say strict parenting is the proper way to teach your kids, I'd say it's wrong since you're just don't let your kids to be more creative and always listen to your words.
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July 15, 2022, 03:42:22 PM |
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I wonder why we're need to discuss about gambling responsibility since it's an endless situation.
Casino already did a way to stop underage or addicts to gambling by asking their KYC, record a video and self exclusions. In other side, someone can do fake KYC, cosplay and act like the person you use as your KYC, using VPN or play in other casino to avoid self exclusions. There's still a way to abuse the rules, but most of them can't since they need to spend a big times, effort and money too. I doubt they will do that just because they want to gamble in a specific casino.
After all, it's what it's and no need to discuss about this kind stuff.
Basically, it’s about if it’s the responsibility of the casino or not. I say it’s not the responsibility of the casino, and many people like me say the same thing. A casino would do whatever they are supposed to do and that’s about it, you can't do anything more than that. Later on, there is a situation where people who shouldn't gamble could circumvent all of that and they would still not be happy the fact that they lost their money and they will cry. I have seen plenty of people who either act as if their own fathers and cried that their "son" lost all the money, or they directly said they did and they shouldn't and now they are in big trouble. Those people "deserve" what happened to them because they knew they were gambling.
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While you guys are currently discussing KYC issue (again) for no apparent reason Does anyone get this notification in their Roobet account? For the record, I have never submitted any form of identification to Roobet aside from the tier 1 identification which doesnt involve submitting anything aside from filling information on the site. Im not sure if this is going to affect me in any way because I havent try to withdraw yet
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