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in the end of the day it comes to users personal preference maybe they'll have to sacrifice a bit of convenience and play on a DEX casino or even if centralized, without KYC even if this means they lose the option to play some of the games or have smaller liquidity depending on what they're doing
There's no way someone will create a decentralized casino since this mean they're not gaining a lot profit due to decentralized, except they're asking a donation or someone willing to send more money than it does. Since casino is created to make the owner rich, that's why I say it's almost impossible, they're also need to create their own game without cooperate with other providers.
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August 03, 2022, 04:02:35 PM |
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in the end of the day it comes to users personal preference maybe they'll have to sacrifice a bit of convenience and play on a DEX casino or even if centralized, without KYC even if this means they lose the option to play some of the games or have smaller liquidity depending on what they're doing
There's no way someone will create a decentralized casino since this mean they're not gaining a lot profit due to decentralized, except they're asking a donation or someone willing to send more money than it does. Since casino is created to make the owner rich, that's why I say it's almost impossible, they're also need to create their own game without cooperate with other providers. Many platforms use the term "decentralized" incorrectly, and so do casinos that accept crypto as a payment method. Sometimes they call themselves decentralized simply because users can use their personal wallets to access the games. Although these platforms have some level of decentralization, they still have centralized servers and middlemen that control your money and the operation of the platform. As for their profits, it doesn't matter whether the casino is decentralized. They can still set up their DAOs so that they extract significant percentages from every game bet, much like decentralized exchanges do.
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August 03, 2022, 05:50:15 PM |
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Honestly, this is what I always tell people and I am happy to see someone that understands that the KYC thing is something that's beyond the casino's power and once the casino Master license holder introduces a rule and regulation the casino must comply.
This is what I don't get to people, they are afraid to do KYC but they almost expose their whole life on social media. As long as the casino is reputable and you don't have criminal records that could alert the authorities then it should not be a problem complying on their rules. Criminals can't just use your identity if you limit what you post on the internet. Casino's usually just ask for your complete name, address, and a valid id to prove it. I don't think that is enough for someone to use your identity for their bad intentions. Probably they still believe that cryptocurrency should remain decentralized which included being anonymous. We are in a different situation now, we all want the adoption to happen but in order to achieve that, we should accept that regulation is a key and with that said, expect that KYC will slowly implement later on. I'm wondering if those people really trust their banks, they think their personal details is safe with the bank well in fact, they are also selling that information. @xSkylarx people with criminal records can still do KYC is he/she funds is from a good source and never abuse the casino rules and regulations. About, social media, I believe some people never wake up to the fact social media is one of the number one platforms that makes them vulnerable. @Johnyz You have a point and people have to accept the fact that if we want every crypto related business or activity to grow there will be some certain sacrifice. I think that when there is a person who has a criminal record, they should not pay so much attention to it, because it does not have much to do with online casinos, I think that all online casinos are interested in them playing on their platforms, putting in money and being able to do good management within them, I think that the other thing is the personal life of each one, and I do not think that a casino cares much about that. I know that the origin of funds is important but when it comes to FIAT money and those that most influence that's what banks are for, in crypto they skip all these things, giving the origin of funds in crypto, BTC, ETH or another I think would not make sense. That is why some of the users always look for those casinos that provide privacy security and anonymity. in the end of the day it comes to users personal preference maybe they'll have to sacrifice a bit of convenience and play on a DEX casino or even if centralized, without KYC even if this means they lose the option to play some of the games or have smaller liquidity depending on what they're doing
There's no way someone will create a decentralized casino since this mean they're not gaining a lot profit due to decentralized, except they're asking a donation or someone willing to send more money than it does. Since casino is created to make the owner rich, that's why I say it's almost impossible, they're also need to create their own game without cooperate with other providers. Many platforms use the term "decentralized" incorrectly, and so do casinos that accept crypto as a payment method. Sometimes they call themselves decentralized simply because users can use their personal wallets to access the games. Although these platforms have some level of decentralization, they still have centralized servers and middlemen that control your money and the operation of the platform. As for their profits, it doesn't matter whether the casino is decentralized. They can still set up their DAOs so that they extract significant percentages from every game bet, much like decentralized exchanges do. Well, I think that a totally decentralized platform is one that is managed without licenses? because if that is the case, it would be possible to talk about a platform where it does not pay attention to any regulation, that is, it would allow many players from countries that are prohibited to play, it would also be something very new and I think even innovative, because they could afford to put privacy coins, such as ZCASH, but above all Monero, which is a currency that many request for lops casinos, in addition, a platform that gives and offers anonymity would be interesting.
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August 03, 2022, 08:52:31 PM |
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So better have separate ones which is intended for crypto use so that you wont really be having a headache whenever you do tend to search for some important mail.
Thats true. I have different emails for casinos, exchanges and for personal uses. As you have point out this is to avoid having headaches if you're looking for important mails. Moreover even the other email is compromised it wont affect your other accounts and still secured. Its also a must to have different passwords. it has to be like that how it works but not everyone understands or even cares about the impact that can be caused if using the same email for all of our online accounts, especially sometimes many are lazy to remember which email is used for the casino or for important accounts such as CEX, even though it can be tricked, for example by taking notes in notepad and others Some people are just too lazy thats why they do really end up on messing things just because they havent able to put up some consideration on doing these basic stuffs which wont really be costing their arm and leg and if they are really that too lazy on making new emails then having 2 emails would do which it is on your personal and the one would be used for casinos/exchange so that you would really make out some separation at least and as said so that you wont really be that having problems on accessing your personal emails if ever it would be mixed up with lots of stuffs.
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suzanne5223
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August 04, 2022, 01:43:36 AM |
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I think that when there is a person who has a criminal record, they should not pay so much attention to it, because it does not have much to do with online casinos, I think that all online casinos are interested in them playing on their platforms, putting in money and being able to do good management within them, I think that the other thing is the personal life of each one, and I do not think that a casino cares much about that. I know that the origin of funds is important but when it comes to FIAT money and those that most influence that's what banks are for, in crypto they skip all these things, giving the origin of funds in crypto, BTC, ETH or another I think would not make sense. That is why some of the users always look for those casinos that provide privacy security and anonymity.
I have once done some research about the major reason why KYC was introduced in the casino and the answer is to protect the company from getting in trouble with the law since some people use them as a way to tint their stolen or illicit crypto so I believe casinos are not after users criminal but they are after keeping their record clean with the law.
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August 04, 2022, 02:52:08 AM |
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I think that when there is a person who has a criminal record, they should not pay so much attention to it, because it does not have much to do with online casinos, I think that all online casinos are interested in them playing on their platforms, putting in money and being able to do good management within them, I think that the other thing is the personal life of each one, and I do not think that a casino cares much about that. I know that the origin of funds is important but when it comes to FIAT money and those that most influence that's what banks are for, in crypto they skip all these things, giving the origin of funds in crypto, BTC, ETH or another I think would not make sense. That is why some of the users always look for those casinos that provide privacy security and anonymity.
I have once done some research about the major reason why KYC was introduced in the casino and the answer is to protect the company from getting in trouble with the law since some people use them as a way to tint their stolen or illicit crypto so I believe casinos are not after users criminal but they are after keeping their record clean with the law. I think it is very important to have kyc in the casino. If you have kyc say for all no cheater can do any kind of crime. If we do kyc then our account will be safe. If a person commits a crime, if he has done kyc then they will be able to identify him very quickly. It seems that there are many opportunities. No person can commit any crime here. So we all will always use kyc on the account.
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suzanne5223
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August 04, 2022, 03:41:12 AM |
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I think that when there is a person who has a criminal record, they should not pay so much attention to it, because it does not have much to do with online casinos, I think that all online casinos are interested in them playing on their platforms, putting in money and being able to do good management within them, I think that the other thing is the personal life of each one, and I do not think that a casino cares much about that. I know that the origin of funds is important but when it comes to FIAT money and those that most influence that's what banks are for, in crypto they skip all these things, giving the origin of funds in crypto, BTC, ETH or another I think would not make sense. That is why some of the users always look for those casinos that provide privacy security and anonymity.
I have once done some research about the major reason why KYC was introduced in the casino and the answer is to protect the company from getting in trouble with the law since some people use them as a way to tint their stolen or illicit crypto so I believe casinos are not after users criminal but they are after keeping their record clean with the law. I think it is very important to have kyc in the casino. If you have kyc say for all no cheater can do any kind of crime. If we do kyc then our account will be safe. If a person commits a crime, if he has done kyc then they will be able to identify him very quickly. It seems that there are many opportunities. No person can commit any crime here. So we all will always use kyc on the account. Yes, the casino needs to keep operating with a good record with the law and also comply with the rules and regulations of their master license holder. I believe in the future when crypto become mainstream of payment all casino that wants to be licensed and also keep operating their business will need to implement the KYC
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August 04, 2022, 12:09:39 PM |
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So better have separate ones which is intended for crypto use so that you wont really be having a headache whenever you do tend to search for some important mail.
Thats true. I have different emails for casinos, exchanges and for personal uses. As you have point out this is to avoid having headaches if you're looking for important mails. Moreover even the other email is compromised it wont affect your other accounts and still secured. Its also a must to have different passwords. it has to be like that how it works but not everyone understands or even cares about the impact that can be caused if using the same email for all of our online accounts, especially sometimes many are lazy to remember which email is used for the casino or for important accounts such as CEX, even though it can be tricked, for example by taking notes in notepad and others I use different emails for exchanges, casinos, social networks and personal use. It helps to organize my inbox, but it doesn't save me from spam. The most important thing is to protect your mail from being hacked.
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August 04, 2022, 01:59:50 PM |
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I use different emails for exchanges, casinos, social networks and personal use.
It is very good because for each type of service, you will receive different type of emails and will be exposed to different scam types. It helps to organize my inbox, but it doesn't save me from spam.
For inbox, the most basics are: don't click on email from strange sources. Don't click on strange links. Don't be greed with any "too good to be true" offers from strangers. The most important thing is to protect your mail from being hacked.
You must use a strong password and activate 2-Factor Authentication for your email too. 2FA for your account is not enough. [GUIDE] How to Create a Strong/Secure Password
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August 04, 2022, 02:52:10 PM |
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I think it is very important to have kyc in the casino. If you have kyc say for all no cheater can do any kind of crime. If we do kyc then our account will be safe. If a person commits a crime, if he has done kyc then they will be able to identify him very quickly.
Who says KYC can't create crime, this is cyberspace, dude, it's online, no one guarantees you after your kyc is safe, the target of hackers is not individuals, what often happens is their target is websites, online gambling sites are not your guarantee after kyc is safe. For that be careful in doing KYC, provide your personal data to new gambling sites, make sure the KYC you provide is truly guaranteed by online gambling sites, check in detail the history of casinos that apply KYC, legal, license requirements and so on. I'm not saying KYC is not good, basically KYC is good for the users themselves, but with the advancement of technology, the development of the times and the proliferation of hackers, you should really choose a gambling site that is guaranteed security from hackers for their own website, if you are careless in doing kyc without viewing the web properly, you are just waiting for your identity to circulate on the internet and be used by irresponsible people. Kyc's goal is only to deal with clients with casino sites, but you can't guarantee, if unexpected things can happen on the online site suddenly.
Honestly, if you are talking about online casinos, for now Robet.com is very convenient for me to use bet, without KYC, but they have a high level of security to protect users, websites and emails, I believe Robet.com can protect users from negative things.
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August 04, 2022, 02:54:26 PM |
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in the end of the day it comes to users personal preference maybe they'll have to sacrifice a bit of convenience and play on a DEX casino or even if centralized, without KYC even if this means they lose the option to play some of the games or have smaller liquidity depending on what they're doing
There's no way someone will create a decentralized casino since this mean they're not gaining a lot profit due to decentralized, except they're asking a donation or someone willing to send more money than it does. Since casino is created to make the owner rich, that's why I say it's almost impossible, they're also need to create their own game without cooperate with other providers. do you follow a bit of the defi and dapps trends? there are quite profitable descentralized applications and I'm sure a dex casino could work uniswap is the first one that comes to my mind (in terms of descentralized services that are profitable) but token terminal can show you better.
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Eureka_07
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August 04, 2022, 03:18:01 PM |
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So better have separate ones which is intended for crypto use so that you wont really be having a headache whenever you do tend to search for some important mail.
I'm doing this. But there are still some that I did used before for personal, professional, crypto, and gambling related things. If you see it, it's a mess. So now, I restart using new emails that I will use in various aspect. <snip> The most important thing is to protect your mail from being hacked.
Someone I knew was able to hack my email account before and was able to add recovery mobile number on the email account. Through that, the hacker was able to hack my social media account. This someone was close to me. It's just unlucky on my side because my gadget for emails and facebook that time was not working anymore.
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August 04, 2022, 04:36:39 PM |
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I also think that kyc verification is very important think for a casino to decrease cheater activity and scamer . But by kyc many casino were stealing users data and getting profit by selling data . I also think kyc verification somewhat undermines the original purpose of cryptocurrency and, I also think it also decrease the users privacy.
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ryzaadit
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August 04, 2022, 05:35:44 PM |
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-snip-
Don't complain while you're playing in centralized business. If people want 100% anonymity without needing to be question for the identity, then go to on-chain decentralized gambling (Most the time, on-chain dice or lottery). All-auto via smart-contract without needed KYC. People are mark checklist T&C during registration, If on T&C they required KYC in some situation. Then don't really surprise or mad, If they ask you to do that because everyone is agree during the registration. No body know for the data is being sold or no, so it's better stay quite about that.
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erep
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August 04, 2022, 05:40:29 PM |
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I also think that kyc verification is very important think for a casino to decrease cheater activity and scamer . But by kyc many casino were stealing users data and getting profit by selling data . I also think kyc verification somewhat undermines the original purpose of cryptocurrency and, I also think it also decrease the users privacy.
Opinions about KYC are very pro and con as most users will not agree to verify KYC due to alleged abuse by the casino, but casinos need KYC to prevent money laundering, crime and other factors. However, if you provide KYC online casinos must consider the rating and reputation so that the privacy factor of your identity can be guaranteed by the casino.
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Captain Corporate
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August 04, 2022, 06:08:53 PM |
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People who are doing illegal things will not be bothered by the fact that some casino is asking KYC, its really not their biggest problem. There are a ton of them who doesn't and if they want to straight up gamble or use it to launder their money, they totally could do that without the KYC part of roobet and wouldn't be sad about it. However regular people who are bothered by it will be subjected to it as well and thats the type of people that they bother with KYC, because regular people who have absolutely nothing to do with laundering will have to do it. I do not see how that is fair when you look at all those casinos without KYC requirement at all.
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August 04, 2022, 06:10:34 PM |
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I also think that kyc verification is very important think for a casino to decrease cheater activity and scamer . But by kyc many casino were stealing users data and getting profit by selling data . I also think kyc verification somewhat undermines the original purpose of cryptocurrency and, I also think it also decrease the users privacy.
Opinions about KYC are very pro and con as most users will not agree to verify KYC due to alleged abuse by the casino, but casinos need KYC to prevent money laundering, crime and other factors. However, if you provide KYC online casinos must consider the rating and reputation so that the privacy factor of your identity can be guaranteed by the casino. I see this has been discussed for a long time about KYC at the Roobet casino and indeed there are still many pros and cons where they always agree and don't but I am sure Roobet casino will be user data that has verified for them we believe more where the casino is already reputed will be all user database safely. Roobet requires KYC verification, of course, they don't want anything abusing as you mentioned from the word money laundering and other crimes, but here we must know that Roobet has existing rules and regulations.
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August 04, 2022, 07:57:10 PM |
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I also think that kyc verification is very important think for a casino to decrease cheater activity and scamer . But by kyc many casino were stealing users data and getting profit by selling data . I also think kyc verification somewhat undermines the original purpose of cryptocurrency and, I also think it also decrease the users privacy.
Opinions about KYC are very pro and con as most users will not agree to verify KYC due to alleged abuse by the casino, but casinos need KYC to prevent money laundering, crime and other factors. However, if you provide KYC online casinos must consider the rating and reputation so that the privacy factor of your identity can be guaranteed by the casino. I see this has been discussed for a long time about KYC at the Roobet casino and indeed there are still many pros and cons where they always agree and don't but I am sure Roobet casino will be user data that has verified for them we believe more where the casino is already reputed will be all user database safely. Roobet requires KYC verification, of course, they don't want anything abusing as you mentioned from the word money laundering and other crimes, but here we must know that Roobet has existing rules and regulations. It is really just people do mind about KYC but actually Roobet doesnt really have any choice since they are really that regulated then they are just following on whats mandated or been required. Some people doesnt really like kyc which is understandable but since you are dealing with centralized platforms then you would definitely expecting for something like this. I agree on what others been saying that if you dont like this kind of set-up then you could always find another website which would fit out into your taste.
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August 05, 2022, 03:53:48 AM |
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People who are doing illegal things will not be bothered by the fact that some casino is asking KYC, its really not their biggest problem. There are a ton of them who doesn't and if they want to straight up gamble or use it to launder their money, they totally could do that without the KYC part of roobet and wouldn't be sad about it. However regular people who are bothered by it will be subjected to it as well and thats the type of people that they bother with KYC, because regular people who have absolutely nothing to do with laundering will have to do it. I do not see how that is fair when you look at all those casinos without KYC requirement at all.
If players have objections to KYC can look for other casinos that don't implement it at all but will probably face a lot of things that are also unpleasant for the player, yes it does seem unfair that normal/good players should face the same thing as players who may have bad intentions but that's the rules will be applied evenly.
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August 05, 2022, 05:37:18 AM |
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People who are doing illegal things will not be bothered by the fact that some casino is asking KYC, its really not their biggest problem. There are a ton of them who doesn't and if they want to straight up gamble or use it to launder their money, they totally could do that without the KYC part of roobet and wouldn't be sad about it. However regular people who are bothered by it will be subjected to it as well and thats the type of people that they bother with KYC, because regular people who have absolutely nothing to do with laundering will have to do it. I do not see how that is fair when you look at all those casinos without KYC requirement at all.
If players have objections to KYC can look for other casinos that don't implement it at all but will probably face a lot of things that are also unpleasant for the player, yes it does seem unfair that normal/good players should face the same thing as players who may have bad intentions but that's the rules will be applied evenly. Even if he manages to found a casino that doesn't require KYC, he would still need to do it once he won or wagered some big amounts. Casinos will not just let you withdraw your winnings without verifying your identity, they want to make sure that their user has no criminal records. If they let you withdraw some huge amounts, they can be liable if you use that money for your bad intentions even if it's not related to the gambling business.
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