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April 10, 2014, 04:52:48 AM
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Guys,
Let's keep the discussion civilized please.

We're committed to distribute the hash-rate. It will become evident very soon.
The days of small DYI miners are almost over. We're preparing for the next phase of mining while taking utmost care to distribute the hash-rate.

Can you please clarify this statement it seems very contradictory.  How can you be working with a goal of spreading the hash-rate when you have the belief that "small" miners will soon be extinct?  This screams centralization of hash power.

Utmost care as to which phram will be distributed to, read the bigger the order, the bigger the shipment.

I think they went overboard when they slicked up their sale's pitch, when they should have scaled it back a tad so that it's not too inline with how their past ventures were packaged, some of which gone to the wayside in spite of the VC that poured in.

The principals have been around the block a few times and know exactly what they're doing and to who their customer base is. They surely are clicking all the right buttons, and millions WILL flow into their coffer but, again, at the end of the day I don't see rigs being shipped out on time nor them refraining from mining on rigs built with their investomers' money.

Am I the only one that has looked into the backgrounds of most of the principals? Surely, you guys did some research before sending bitcoins to purchase a machine that produces bitcoins, didn't you?

Imagine the following two scenarios, of which only one took place.

A group of men sitting around a boardroom table discussing how they're going to use their own money to develop, then offer for sale once bitcoin miners are fully built or, at the very least, all the parts are sourced. They all agree to the plan.

A group of men sitting around a boardroom table discussing how they're going to use their investomers' money to fully develop bitcoin miners, claiming that on a certain date they'll be shipped, but being a month or two late while mining with said units to further fill their coffer is the norm in this industry. Besides, how would it be proven otherwise? They all agree to the plan, each having the shittiest grins on their faces.

From a business standpoint, which one above makes the most sense? Hint: IT AIN'T THE FIRST ONE!

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April 10, 2014, 05:04:34 AM
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Guys,
Let's keep the discussion civilized please.

We're committed to distribute the hash-rate. It will become evident very soon.
The days of small DYI miners are almost over. We're preparing for the next phase of mining while taking utmost care to distribute the hash-rate.

Can you please clarify this statement it seems very contradictory.  How can you be working with a goal of spreading the hash-rate when you have the belief that "small" miners will soon be extinct?  This screams centralization of hash power.

Utmost care as to which phram will be distributed to, read the bigger the order, the bigger the shipment.

I think they went overboard when they slicked up their sale's pitch, when they should have scaled it back a tad so that it's not too inline with how their past ventures were packaged, some of which gone to the wayside in spite of the VC that poured in.

The principals have been around the block a few times and know exactly what they're doing and to who their customer base is. They surely are clicking all the right buttons, and millions WILL flow into their coffer but, again, at the end of the day I don't see rigs being shipped out on time nor them refraining from mining on rigs built with their investomers' money.

Am I the only one that has looked into the backgrounds of most of the principals? Surely, you guys did some research before sending bitcoins to purchase a machine that produces bitcoins, didn't you?

Imagine the following two scenarios, of which only one took place.

A group of men sitting around a boardroom table discussing how they're going to use their own money to develop, then offer for sale once bitcoin miners are fully built or, at the very least, all the parts are sourced. They all agree to the plan.

A group of men sitting around a boardroom table discussing how they're going to use their investomers' money to fully develop bitcoin miners, claiming that on a certain date they'll be shipped, but being a month or two late while mining with said units to further fill their coffer is the norm in this industry. Besides, how would it be proven otherwise? They all agree to the plan, each having the shittiest grins on their faces.

From a business standpoint, which one above makes the most sense? Hint: IT AIN'T THE FIRST ONE!

Sean's Outpost gonna be happy then, if that's the case in this instance. Again, all this summation boils down to, is previous experience.
So.. you should also take into consideration, the companies who have done this, haven't been able to hide the fact, and once it was outed, their customers go racing for refunds, their sales drop dramatically and they end up with egg on their faces while all they have left; is to mine, for themselves.

I'd reckon providing equipment, long term, and sticking to the actual plan (as opposed to the surmise that THE SECOND ONE! is the real intent) would be the more profitable option.

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April 10, 2014, 05:04:59 AM
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Guys,
Let's keep the discussion civilized please.

We're committed to distribute the hash-rate. It will become evident very soon.
The days of small DYI miners are almost over. We're preparing for the next phase of mining while taking utmost care to distribute the hash-rate.

Can you please clarify this statement it seems very contradictory.  How can you be working with a goal of spreading the hash-rate when you have the belief that "small" miners will soon be extinct?  This screams centralization of hash power.
By the end of 2014, beginning of 2015, we believe that above 80% of the mining will be done by operators runnig huge data centers or highly specialized IT containers designed for Bitcoin mining only, deployed in places with cheap electricity.
We'll support and promote community efforts to deploy such hash-rate.
I'm vague here on purpose, but we've already started such efforts.

New Mimblewimble implementation: https://www.beam.mw
Spondoolies is back with the SPx36: https://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/spx36
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April 10, 2014, 05:08:29 AM
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Anybody received and is mining with a Spondoolier already??

Plenty of users have received and responded in this thread, moreover you are welcome to check some of the following professional reviews:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525469
http://mineforeman.com/2014/03/28/review-spondoolies-tech-sp10-dawson-part-one/
http://mineforeman.com/2014/04/01/review-spondoolies-tech-sp10-dawson-part-two/


Could you elaborate a LITLLE bit MORE on "plenty"...please...

A simple number should be enough...How many SP10 did you ship up to date...?

20-50-100-500...1000...Just a number...will be "plenty" good... Wink

Spondoolies-Tech...:

Is it so hard to answer a simple question...?

You could round to the nearest 100s...like 200+...or something...

We won't disclose real shipment numbers.
Above 50, less than 1,000 to date.

New Mimblewimble implementation: https://www.beam.mw
Spondoolies is back with the SPx36: https://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/spx36
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April 10, 2014, 05:11:56 AM
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The above cropped screenshot was taken from the http://vimeo.com/89415321 video at the 05:00 mark.

Why is the last logged in date 2000-2-18 (Feb. 18, 2000)? If this simple piece of info was changed/altered, how does anybody really know that none of the other info scrolling across the screen was not altered in some way?
Please buy that PDU model. Connect it to the power and login.
Post the date and time.

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Spondoolies is back with the SPx36: https://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/spx36
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April 10, 2014, 05:12:45 AM
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Guys,
Let's keep the discussion civilized please.

We're committed to distribute the hash-rate. It will become evident very soon.
The days of small DYI miners are almost over. We're preparing for the next phase of mining while taking utmost care to distribute the hash-rate.

Can you please clarify this statement it seems very contradictory.  How can you be working with a goal of spreading the hash-rate when you have the belief that "small" miners will soon be extinct?  This screams centralization of hash power.
By the end of 2014, beginning of 2015, we believe that above 80% of the mining will be done by operators runnig huge data centers or highly specialized IT containers designed for Bitcoin mining only, deployed in places with cheap electricity.
We'll support and promote community efforts to deploy such hash-rate.
I'm vague here on purpose, but we've already started such efforts.

So, those who get miners comes August WILL be in direct competition to the 80% of the commercial miners, of which it would be off their backs that this endeavor is built, thus the small-time miner gets screwed again, and the bitcoin mining manufacturer and commercial hoster comes out smelling like a rose. I beginning to like to you guys.

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April 10, 2014, 05:16:12 AM
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Anybody received and is mining with a Spondoolier already??

Plenty of users have received and responded in this thread, moreover you are welcome to check some of the following professional reviews:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525469
http://mineforeman.com/2014/03/28/review-spondoolies-tech-sp10-dawson-part-one/
http://mineforeman.com/2014/04/01/review-spondoolies-tech-sp10-dawson-part-two/


Could you elaborate a LITLLE bit MORE on "plenty"...please...

A simple number should be enough...How many SP10 did you ship up to date...?

20-50-100-500...1000...Just a number...will be "plenty" good... Wink

Spondoolies-Tech...:

Is it so hard to answer a simple question...?

You could round to the nearest 100s...like 200+...or something...

We won't disclose real shipment numbers.
Above 50, less than 1,000 to date.

Real shipment numbers weren't asked for, just some type of tight parameter. I'm sure that I won't be the first and last person to point out the snide answer. Whether you realize it or not, you're not gaining traction, even slipping back a couple steps.

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April 10, 2014, 05:21:51 AM
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Guys,
Let's keep the discussion civilized please.

We're committed to distribute the hash-rate. It will become evident very soon.
The days of small DYI miners are almost over. We're preparing for the next phase of mining while taking utmost care to distribute the hash-rate.

Can you please clarify this statement it seems very contradictory.  How can you be working with a goal of spreading the hash-rate when you have the belief that "small" miners will soon be extinct?  This screams centralization of hash power.
By the end of 2014, beginning of 2015, we believe that above 80% of the mining will be done by operators runnig huge data centers or highly specialized IT containers designed for Bitcoin mining only, deployed in places with cheap electricity.
We'll support and promote community efforts to deploy such hash-rate.
I'm vague here on purpose, but we've already started such efforts.

So, those who get miners comes August WILL be in direct competition to the 80% of the commercial miners, of which it would be off their backs that this endeavor is built, thus the small-time miner gets screwed again, and the bitcoin mining manufacturer and commercial hoster comes out smelling like a rose. I beginning to like to you guys.
Hosting is the right solution for Q3 timeframe for small time miners.
Shares in a collective mining operation is the right solution for Q4 onwards.

I'll say that again. We're committed to the distribution of the hash-rate.

New Mimblewimble implementation: https://www.beam.mw
Spondoolies is back with the SPx36: https://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/spx36
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April 10, 2014, 05:24:56 AM
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Guys,
Let's keep the discussion civilized please.

We're committed to distribute the hash-rate. It will become evident very soon.
The days of small DYI miners are almost over. We're preparing for the next phase of mining while taking utmost care to distribute the hash-rate.

Can you please clarify this statement it seems very contradictory.  How can you be working with a goal of spreading the hash-rate when you have the belief that "small" miners will soon be extinct?  This screams centralization of hash power.
By the end of 2014, beginning of 2015, we believe that above 80% of the mining will be done by operators runnig huge data centers or highly specialized IT containers designed for Bitcoin mining only, deployed in places with cheap electricity.
We'll support and promote community efforts to deploy such hash-rate.
I'm vague here on purpose, but we've already started such efforts.

So, those who get miners comes August WILL be in direct competition to the 80% of the commercial miners, of which it would be off their backs that this endeavor is built, thus the small-time miner gets screwed again, and the bitcoin mining manufacturer and commercial hoster comes out smelling like a rose. I beginning to like to you guys.
Hosting is the right solution for Q3 timeframe for small time miners.
Shares in a collective mining operation is the right solution for Q4 onwards.

I'll say that again. We're committed to the distribution of the hash-rate.

Just dont waste time talking back and forth with these guys. Work on the SP30 and release to the public. So far you've done a good job with SP10
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April 10, 2014, 05:28:53 AM
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Guys,
Let's keep the discussion civilized please.

We're committed to distribute the hash-rate. It will become evident very soon.
The days of small DYI miners are almost over. We're preparing for the next phase of mining while taking utmost care to distribute the hash-rate.

Can you please clarify this statement it seems very contradictory.  How can you be working with a goal of spreading the hash-rate when you have the belief that "small" miners will soon be extinct?  This screams centralization of hash power.
By the end of 2014, beginning of 2015, we believe that above 80% of the mining will be done by operators runnig huge data centers or highly specialized IT containers designed for Bitcoin mining only, deployed in places with cheap electricity.
We'll support and promote community efforts to deploy such hash-rate.
I'm vague here on purpose, but we've already started such efforts.

So, those who get miners comes August WILL be in direct competition to the 80% of the commercial miners, of which it would be off their backs that this endeavor is built, thus the small-time miner gets screwed again, and the bitcoin mining manufacturer and commercial hoster comes out smelling like a rose. I beginning to like to you guys.
Hosting is the right solution for Q3 timeframe for small time miners.
Shares in a collective mining operation is the right solution for Q4 onwards.

I'll say that again. We're committed to the distribution of the hash-rate.

Just dont waste time talking back and forth with these guys. Work on the SP30 and release to the public. So far you've done a good job with SP10

Thank you for your kind words. Indeed, I'm going out.
Our teams are hard at work. SP30 and beyond.

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Spondoolies is back with the SPx36: https://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/spx36
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April 10, 2014, 05:29:03 AM
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Just dont waste time talking back and forth with these guys. Work on the SP30 and release to the public. So far you've done a good job with SP10


nomatter how much i respect bruno for his investigations on mining companies, it is becoming a habit for him now; to continually troll almost every manufacturer picking holes and trying to expose flaws, whilst someone comes up with alternative reasoning, he tends to completely ignore them.
it often seems all he wants to do is flame tensions between miners.

Ideally, h/w manufacturers threads should be places for technical insight into specific products, shipping estimates, prices et al.

come on guys, it's getting ridiculous now. telling a pan and spade company that they are immoral for selling pans and spades just makes you look like a hurt child. Lets discuss the rigs, and if you don't want one of these rigs, then don't participate.

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April 10, 2014, 05:41:31 AM
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Just dont waste time talking back and forth with these guys. Work on the SP30 and release to the public. So far you've done a good job with SP10
nomatter how much i respect bruno for his investigations on mining companies, it is becoming a habit for him now; to continually troll almost every manufacturer picking holes and trying to expose flaws, whilst someone comes up with alternative reasoning, he tends to completely ignore them.

 Well, he did accept a bribe from a certain community-favorite ASIC manufacturer, so...
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April 10, 2014, 05:45:32 AM
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The above cropped screenshot was taken from the http://vimeo.com/89415321 video at the 05:00 mark.

Why is the last logged in date 2000-2-18 (Feb. 18, 2000)? If this simple piece of info was changed/altered, how does anybody really know that none of the other info scrolling across the screen was not altered in some way?

Phinn, ask Dogie and Meni to confirm the hardware pls. You're wasting your time here.

The SP-10 is real. I sure hope SP-30 are gonna be on specs.


Erm, its very real.

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April 10, 2014, 06:06:27 AM
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I can tell our SP10 order was fulfilled yesterday: quite on schedule. There were other problems but delays were not amongst them. We will see about SP30 but up until now these guys are doing a good job with deadlines.

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April 10, 2014, 06:44:28 AM
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... There were other problems ...
We've shipped the machine instead of hosting it as requested.
Upon notifying, we've brought another machine online and configured it to the customer wallet.
We're selling ~3% less than our production capacity to allow for RMA, warranties calls, BD, etc.
We've used one of the spare machine to fulfill the hosting.
The solution wasn't on the expanse of any other customer shipping order.

Our hosting solution for April batch is "manual", we'll configure the machine to the customer wallet through Eligius to allow monitoring.

For May batch, we'll give the customers full access through HTTPS to their machines UI.

Zvisha, our SW director already gave a statement regarding burn-in tests. I want to iterate it here:
We're currently doing short burn-in tests on Flextronics factory for few minutes. We found that it's enough.
We want to ship the machines as fast as possible.

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April 10, 2014, 07:28:00 AM
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Anybody received and is mining with a Spondoolier already??

Plenty of users have received and responded in this thread, moreover you are welcome to check some of the following professional reviews:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525469
http://mineforeman.com/2014/03/28/review-spondoolies-tech-sp10-dawson-part-one/
http://mineforeman.com/2014/04/01/review-spondoolies-tech-sp10-dawson-part-two/


Could you elaborate a LITLLE bit MORE on "plenty"...please...

A simple number should be enough...How many SP10 did you ship up to date...?

20-50-100-500...1000...Just a number...will be "plenty" good... Wink

Spondoolies-Tech...:

Is it so hard to answer a simple question...?

You could round to the nearest 100s...like 200+...or something...

We won't disclose real shipment numbers.
Above 50, less than 1,000 to date.
More of that information asymmetry.
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April 10, 2014, 07:38:34 AM
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... There were other problems ...
We've shipped the machine instead of hosting it as requested.
Upon notifying, we've brought another machine online and configured it to the customer wallet.
We're selling ~3% less than our production capacity to allow for RMA, warranties calls, BD, etc.
We've used one of the spare machine to fulfill the hosting.
The solution wasn't on the expanse of any other customer shipping order.

Our hosting solution for April batch is "manual", we'll configure the machine to the customer wallet through Eligius to allow monitoring.

For May batch, we'll give the customers full access through HTTPS to their machines UI.

Zvisha, our SW director already gave a statement regarding burn-in tests. I want to iterate it here:
We're currently doing short burn-in tests on Flextronics factory for few minutes. We found that it's enough.
We want to ship the machines as fast as possible.


That pretty much summarizes it perfectly. He left out that I found the problem with shipping quite late (yesterday night) and they still replied, managed it and put the reserve SP10 to mine to our wallet. +1 to Spondoolies so far.
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Usually, maybe, but not in my case. I don't get paid from anybody to do what I do, nor have ever taken one satoshi as payment, albeit a small handful have donated to Bitcoin 100, et al., letting me know they did such after the fact, but that too is never expected, but much appreciated.

At this penning, I have nothing on Spondoolies (nice word, BTW), albeit three people have emailed me expressing a concern.

Personally, I wouldn't pre-order anything from these guys if I were a miner, for I feel something ain't quite right.

As far as product being delivered on time, that is highly unlikely given that not a single bitcoin miner manufacturer has delivered on time.

I know this is a self-moderated thread, so be forewarned that if any of my posts gets deleted prior to I stating some diatribe (we all hope that such won't be needed and that this outfit proves viable), I will just conduct my investigation a tad sooner.

Meanwhile, I'm curious as to who is doing the actual penning of post under the Spoondoolies user account.

~Bruno Kucinskas

Bruno, but they already did delivered on time. They did it last month, they did it this month and i'm sure they will do it in May too. I DO have a SP10 mining right now and i got it a few days earlier than expected. This is the first time in bitcoin mining history when i see this happen.

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Usually, maybe, but not in my case. I don't get paid from anybody to do what I do, nor have ever taken one satoshi as payment, albeit a small handful have donated to Bitcoin 100, et al., letting me know they did such after the fact, but that too is never expected, but much appreciated.

At this penning, I have nothing on Spondoolies (nice word, BTW), albeit three people have emailed me expressing a concern.

Personally, I wouldn't pre-order anything from these guys if I were a miner, for I feel something ain't quite right.

As far as product being delivered on time, that is highly unlikely given that not a single bitcoin miner manufacturer has delivered on time.

I know this is a self-moderated thread, so be forewarned that if any of my posts gets deleted prior to I stating some diatribe (we all hope that such won't be needed and that this outfit proves viable), I will just conduct my investigation a tad sooner.

Meanwhile, I'm curious as to who is doing the actual penning of post under the Spoondoolies user account.

~Bruno Kucinskas

Bruno, but they already did delivered on time. They did it last month, they did it this month and i'm sure they will do it in May too. I DO have a SP10 mining right now and i got it a few days earlier than expected. This is the first time in bitcoin mining history when i see this happen.

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A few other times it has happened.


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