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April 12, 2014, 07:14:00 PM
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Sorry then, I must have misunderstood you. What is your refund policy if 3 SP30s ordered in April for August delivery aren't delivered in August ?

Re-read my reply.

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April 12, 2014, 07:16:01 PM
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Sorry then, I must have misunderstood you. What is your refund policy if 3 SP30s ordered in April for August delivery aren't delivered in August ?

Re-read my reply.

I'd prefer a clear and unambiguous statement of your refund policy before I commit $20K to an order.
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April 12, 2014, 07:18:25 PM
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Sorry then, I must have misunderstood you. What is your refund policy if 3 SP30s ordered in April for August delivery aren't delivered in August ?

Re-read my reply.

I'd prefer a clear and unambiguous statement of your refund policy before I commit $20K to an order.
We're committed in unambiguous way to our terms of sale: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/pages/terms-of-sale
If you're feeling uncomfortable with them, please wait for July when we'll ship first SP30 before making an order.

Edit: In July, we'll probably take pre-orders to October, but at least you'll know that we've delivered...

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We're committed in unambiguous way to our terms of sale: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/pages/terms-of-sale


Thanks for the link and clarification.
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April 12, 2014, 07:47:39 PM
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KNC can provide the entire hash-rate to their customers right now. They've chosen not to do so and directly compete with their customers.
This kind of business practice we're committed to root out. We have long catch up to do, but we are determined to turn the below into useless pile of junks (i.e. obsolete and below electrically break-even) by delivering on-time much more power efficient hardware.


Sounds very good! Let's hope it stays that way. Smiley Ironically KNC was pitching the same mentality and slogans last year, then they turned. Sad
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We're committed in unambiguous way to our terms of sale: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/pages/terms-of-sale


Thanks for the link and clarification.


"... (e) The Purchaser is not entitled to refuse acceptance of the Products, or make claims for compensation due to any delayed delivery; and ..."

NO refunds, buddy...
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April 12, 2014, 07:51:24 PM
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KNC can provide the entire hash-rate to their customers right now. They've chosen not to do so and directly compete with their customers.
This kind of business practice we're committed to root out. We have long catch up to do, but we are determined to turn the below into useless pile of junks (i.e. obsolete and below electrically break-even) by delivering on-time much more power efficient hardware.


Sounds very good! Let's hope it stays that way. Smiley Ironically KNC was pitching the same mentality and slogans last year, then they turned. Sad
I'm not aware to their last year pitching. I believe that our conduct is much more ethical from the get-go.
My point: We can do excellent business while distributing the hash-rate. We'll prove that.

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April 12, 2014, 08:02:47 PM
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Are the June orders still available for SP10?
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April 12, 2014, 08:15:07 PM
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Are the June orders still available for SP10?
Yes: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products/sp10

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KNC can provide the entire hash-rate to their customers right now. They've chosen not to do so and directly compete with their customers.
This kind of business practice we're committed to root out. We have long catch up to do, but we are determined to turn the below into useless pile of junks (i.e. obsolete and below electrically break-even) by delivering on-time much more power efficient hardware.


Sounds very good! Let's hope it stays that way. Smiley Ironically KNC was pitching the same mentality and slogans last year, then they turned. Sad
I'm not aware to their last year pitching. I believe that our conduct is much more ethical from the get-go.
My point: We can do excellent business while distributing the hash-rate. We'll prove that.

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April 12, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
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KNC can provide the entire hash-rate to their customers right now. They've chosen not to do so and directly compete with their customers.
This kind of business practice we're committed to root out. We have long catch up to do, but we are determined to turn the below into useless pile of junks (i.e. obsolete and below electrically break-even) by delivering on-time much more power efficient hardware.


Sounds very good! Let's hope it stays that way. Smiley Ironically KNC was pitching the same mentality and slogans last year, then they turned. Sad
I'm not aware to their last year pitching. I believe that our conduct is much more ethical from the get-go.
My point: We can do excellent business while distributing the hash-rate. We'll prove that.

If I had the money to throw at you I'd throw it all, take out a small loan and throw that at you as well
Buy some miners

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Thanks. I did have a look, but the OP indicates some units are sold out.

Hosting - If I go for 3 months hosting, is that available immediately?  Is hosting a cloud based service only, or is hosting linked to the purchase of hardware?
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Needless to say, even in this relative trivial project we're doing verification + FPGA validation.

The exact status of the project:
We've submitted final net list to Global Unichip, the tapeout will be in the beginning of May.
One positive thing you could do to assuage the prospective customers is to post some concrete technical information about both your present chip and the future ones.

There is literally a lot of info that you could post without disclosing anything detrimental to the technical competitiveness of your project, e.g. some results of simulations like noise margins versus supply voltage.

If you need inspiration please go read bitfury's past posts.

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April 12, 2014, 08:23:04 PM
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Thanks. I did have a look, but the OP indicates some units are sold out.

Hosting - If I go for 3 months hosting, is that available immediately?  Is hosting a cloud based service only, or is hosting linked to the purchase of hardware?
Please recheck: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp10-dawson-june-batch

The hosting is linked to the purchased hardware. You'll get full access to your miner UI.
At any point, you may elect to end the hosting and ship the miner.

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Thanks. I did have a look, but the OP indicates some units are sold out.

Hosting - If I go for 3 months hosting, is that available immediately?  Is hosting a cloud based service only, or is hosting linked to the purchase of hardware?
Please recheck: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp10-dawson-june-batch

The hosting is linked to the purchased hardware. You'll get full access to your miner UI.
At any point, you may elect to end the hosting and ship the miner.

OK. Thanks. Sending some spondoolies your way.  Wink
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April 12, 2014, 08:29:35 PM
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Needless to say, even in this relative trivial project we're doing verification + FPGA validation.

The exact status of the project:
We've submitted final net list to Global Unichip, the tapeout will be in the beginning of May.
One positive thing you could do to assuage the prospective customers is to post some concrete technical information about both your present chip and the future ones.

There is literally a lot of info that you could post without disclosing anything detrimental to the technical competitiveness of your project, e.g. some results of simulations like noise margins versus supply voltage.

If you need inspiration please go read bitfury's past posts.

The technical data is available in the web site. It's a bit outdated. Upon signing an NDA we'll release all the needed information to start a design based on our 1st gen and 2nd gen ASICs. Multiple parties, companies and one collective already got the information.

The updated spec of our 2nd gen ASIC:

Voltage 0.63 V
Total Engines 193
Max frequency at TT corner 984 MHz
Performance 190 GHs
Power 65 W
Power/performance 0.34 W/GHs

Multiple voltages and overclocking points possible.

Does it make you more comfortable ?
Should I post working FPGA pictures ?
Verilog test bench ?

Seriously, we know what we're doing.
The ASICs will arrive on time, working. SP30 will be delivered on time and on spec.

Edit:
Some more information on the system. SP30, like the SP10 will contains two ASICs boards and one management board.
The management board will contain the same TI Sitara processor and FPGA. Beside the FPGA, it's almost identical to Beagle Bone Black.
(Unlike other vendors, we don't ship with hobby boards...)
Each ASICs board contains 15 RockerBox ASICs. The total system output is expected to be over 5.5 TH/s
We've improved our DC2DC design, and we're testing it separately on a test board.

Edit2:
We won't release any information on our 3rd gen ASIC (PickAxe) beside stating again that the design goal is to compete and win in the EH/s (Exa Hash/s) era, while eradicating (by making obsolete) a well known northern farm.

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April 12, 2014, 08:38:38 PM
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OK. Thanks. Sending some spondoolies your way.  Wink
Thank you

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April 12, 2014, 09:04:18 PM
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Just remember that secrets work both ways: how would you like it if someone said it was an 'open secret' that you're using asicminer chips? I think you owe the KNC people an apology.
We're developing our own ASICs. We're transparent from the get go.
Unlike KNC:
 - We don't publish "Q1/Q2" shipping dates.
 - We don't mine and compete with our customers.
 - KNC knows they won't be able to ship on Q2. This is why they came up with 'Plan B'
- Guess when they'll finally offer the hosting alternative. Probably the last day of Q2
From here: https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-82

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The first customers (batch 1) are expected to be hashing in our data center in early June and the last customer will hash in our data center around the last week of June. All the customers will be able to hash in that data center for as long as we are late in shipping your Neptune product, this service will be provided on a best effort basis
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KNC can provide the entire hash-rate to their customers right now. They've chosen not to do so and directly compete with their customers.
This kind of business practice we're committed to root out. We have long catch up to do, but we are determined to turn the below into useless pile of junks (i.e. obsolete and below electrically break-even) by delivering on-time much more power efficient hardware.






What is this...?...Could you elaborate...?

This is my wildest dream that I'm currently having. Welcome.
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April 12, 2014, 09:08:23 PM
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What is this...?...Could you elaborate...?

This is my wildest dream that I'm currently having. Welcome.
It's a nightmare, menace and a dagger at the heart of the still fragile Bitcoin ecosystem.

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April 12, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
Last edit: April 12, 2014, 09:41:31 PM by s1gs3gv
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"... (e) The Purchaser is not entitled to refuse acceptance of the Products, or make claims for compensation due to any delayed delivery; and ..."

NO refunds, buddy...

That is pretty clear and unambiguous.

And if it wasn't, this quote (also from the terms of sale) is:

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3) Delivery; Shipment. Delivery dates communicated or acknowledged by Spondoolies in the Order Confirmation are approximate only, and are dependent upon supply chain interruptions and stoppages, development delays, and other factors. Therefore, Purchaser shall not rely upon, and Spondoolies shall not be liable under whatsoever circumstances for any other estimation statement of expectation when delivery will occur.

which seems fair enough. The purchaser assumes all risk, just like any other pre-order.  Spondoolies-Tech should qualify their public statements regarding their resolve to deliver on time with a statement like "but if we don't, its too bad".

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