🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread

[ralle14]

Did you see that TSM abandoned their tag? They returned to the name Undying. In general, when I saw TSM, every time I remembered their sponsorship from the FTX crypto exchange. This is ingrained in my memory due to the fact that I lost some of my funds there(

That is unfortunate for the TSM players, but it was inevitable after that FTX issue.

Others hope that TSM might move to a different region due to the last part they mentioned in the tweet, maybe switching to another region (like EG and Alliance). There are a lot of decent teams without an org atm, but securing some form of prize money has become more difficult after they took out the DPC.

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[sompitonov]

ok thanks, I'll think about it, sounds really cool. I will probably choose the best days from the ESL tournament with the most exciting confrontations between certain teams. Still, there should be more such wonderful moments in life.

Good luck with that, we're approaching to the first phase of the tournament within less than a week now. That's really exciting to get into actions again and we'd see some improved teams and who knows if some crazy heroes will be used on this tournament and might be swarmed in the pubs.

Did you see that TSM abandoned their tag? They returned to the name Undying. In general, when I saw TSM, every time I remembered their sponsorship from the FTX crypto exchange. This is ingrained in my memory due to the fact that I lost some of my funds there(

I also remember that they've been sponsored by FTX but they don't know a thing about that. What these rosters and team management does is all about the sponsor money that's been placed on them.

Yes, I understand this perfectly. But those who select advertising collaborations must do this more carefully, because a class action lawsuit was brought against those actors and NFL stars who appeared in FTX advertising. I'm even still surprised that this didn't happen with TSM. I personally wouldn’t do this, even though I am a victim, but people can be very greedy and will use every opportunity to sue for money.

They probably have scouted these guys long enough to do such a decision. OG's former roster with ATF was basically nobodies until they started winning with the right guidance and the right directions from n0tail and those in the OG management. I feel that this may also be the direction that Tundra wants for the team, and hopefully they get successful at that. It's sad that most of the oldheads are leaving the scene, but the new bloods are still welcome to change the shape of the pro play very soon.

n0tail can explain so well that almost any player can be turned into a professional if you do what he says. This is most clear from those "True Sight" videos. But time is running out and it’s hard to understand that old players are leaving the scene. New players can breathe new interest into Dota, I hope this happens.

[passwordnow]

I also remember that they've been sponsored by FTX but they don't know a thing about that. What these rosters and team management does is all about the sponsor money that's been placed on them.

Yes, I understand this perfectly. But those who select advertising collaborations must do this more carefully, because a class action lawsuit was brought against those actors and NFL stars who appeared in FTX advertising. I'm even still surprised that this didn't happen with TSM.

That's true, they'd get sued for nothing for taking action with it. But I think that the team doesn't have and didn't get any alarm with that and that's why they're still good to go and step away from the scene since they've released their roster.

I personally wouldn’t do this, even though I am a victim, but people can be very greedy and will use every opportunity to sue for money.

Well, let the authorities do that if they think that they have to be chased and taken down for that. But in all means, that organization will just have to reason out that they have advertised and taken them as a sponsor before the debacle and they're not yet too crumpled at all with issues and problems before.

[sompitonov]

passwordnow, remember our recent discussion about the 3rd replacement and Azure Ray?

Still, Korben was wrong with his words about Azure Ray and here’s why. The fact is that they recently introduced new EPT rules and even included the previous Dream League with points, which also caused a small scandal among the teams. Points from the TI are not counted because it was not carried out by ESL. According to these new rules, 3 substitutions are allowed, but the points immediately turn into 0. Azure Ray was already with 0 points, so these changes did not affect them at all.

The final table looks like this:



Ahaha, according to ELS, BB is now in second place. But after Kuala Lumpur everything will change.

[boyptc]

Did you see that TSM abandoned their tag? They returned to the name Undying. In general, when I saw TSM, every time I remembered their sponsorship from the FTX crypto exchange. This is ingrained in my memory due to the fact that I lost some of my funds there(

That is unfortunate for the TSM players, but it was inevitable after that FTX issue.

Others hope that TSM might move to a different region due to the last part they mentioned in the tweet, maybe switching to another region (like EG and Alliance). There are a lot of decent teams without an org atm, but securing some form of prize money has become more difficult after they took out the DPC.

These moves from these teams that they think the region where their team is located should have to do something by releasing first their roster and moving to another region.

But I don't think that they'll be in this time for Dota 2. Maybe when the next TI is approaching, that's the time that they're going to form a new squad but IMO, not just this time.

[passwordnow]

passwordnow, remember our recent discussion about the 3rd replacement and Azure Ray?

Still, Korben was wrong with his words about Azure Ray and here’s why. The fact is that they recently introduced new EPT rules and even included the previous Dream League with points, which also caused a small scandal among the teams. Points from the TI are not counted because it was not carried out by ESL. According to these new rules, 3 substitutions are allowed, but the points immediately turn into 0. Azure Ray was already with 0 points, so these changes did not affect them at all.

The final table looks like this:



Ahaha, according to ELS, BB is now in second place. But after Kuala Lumpur everything will change.

Yeah, I remember that about Korben and still he insists about that disqualification because of the three players replacement for the roster. I don't know why he's still into it when the fact that Team Spirit was said to be taking a rest for this year and won't participate to this big tournament before this year ends.

I didn't know that there's still some point system because I thought that the entire pointing system(DPC) is going to be changed. Yes, I know that these points aren't with the DPC but with this EPT points, let's see on how teams are going to take it and for sure that there's gonna be another basis for this one.

What people are waiting for now is the Riyadh Masters that's said and rumored to have that $45M prize pool and every team is going to be crazy about it and who knows if Team Spirit is going to cash out and participate that tournament again. 

[ralle14]

These moves from these teams that they think the region where their team is located should have to do something by releasing first their roster and moving to another region.

But I don't think that they'll be in this time for Dota 2. Maybe when the next TI is approaching, that's the time that they're going to form a new squad but IMO, not just this time.

I agree it's looking grim after they've given up their LCS (LoL) spot to Shopify Rebellion and now they released their Dota team.

Boom also dropped most of their players yesterday(tweet) and I guess they'll try to look for another set of players that can mesh with Pakasz before the DreamLeague qualifier starts.

[boyptc]

These moves from these teams that they think the region where their team is located should have to do something by releasing first their roster and moving to another region.

But I don't think that they'll be in this time for Dota 2. Maybe when the next TI is approaching, that's the time that they're going to form a new squad but IMO, not just this time.

I agree it's looking grim after they've given up their LCS (LoL) spot to Shopify Rebellion and now they released their Dota team.

Boom also dropped most of their players yesterday(tweet) and I guess they'll try to look for another set of players that can mesh with Pakasz before the DreamLeague qualifier starts.

Boom was not wise at all.

When they've been champs on a major on the SEA with their former roster. That's actually the momentum that they need but they fail to maintain that roster, skem, yopaj, etc. + stand in from Singapore, I forgot the name of that offlaner.

But that guy gained popularity so quick but didn't last when he can't find a new team to take him and the same goes for the former roster. Look at the talents that played for them, they're one of the best players on their region now.

[sompitonov]

passwordnow, remember our recent discussion about the 3rd replacement and Azure Ray?

Still, Korben was wrong with his words about Azure Ray and here’s why. The fact is that they recently introduced new EPT rules and even included the previous Dream League with points, which also caused a small scandal among the teams. Points from the TI are not counted because it was not carried out by ESL. According to these new rules, 3 substitutions are allowed, but the points immediately turn into 0. Azure Ray was already with 0 points, so these changes did not affect them at all.

The final table looks like this:

Ahaha, according to ELS, BB is now in second place. But after Kuala Lumpur everything will change.

Yeah, I remember that about Korben and still he insists about that disqualification because of the three players replacement for the roster. I don't know why he's still into it when the fact that Team Spirit was said to be taking a rest for this year and won't participate to this big tournament before this year ends.

I didn't know that there's still some point system because I thought that the entire pointing system(DPC) is going to be changed. Yes, I know that these points aren't with the DPC but with this EPT points, let's see on how teams are going to take it and for sure that there's gonna be another basis for this one.

What people are waiting for now is the Riyadh Masters that's said and rumored to have that $45M prize pool and every team is going to be crazy about it and who knows if Team Spirit is going to cash out and participate that tournament again. 

But Korben is always in my news feed, although he should calm down and relax during the upcoming New Year holidays.

$45 million in prize money, such a sum is mind blowing! If this is confirmed, I will fall off my chair) With such prize money from Riyadh Masters, everyone’s favorite TI will fade into the background. Money changes the location of tournaments and it seems that no one will compete with the Arab sheikhs in conquering the e-sports market. From such a large sum, several more professional teams should appear, because the stakes are very high.

[boyptc]

Who are the CS2 fans here? G2 esports is also now in Dota 2. They've just sponsored a team and it's not just a team but one of the strong teams in the Chinese region, the Invictus Gaming.

They'll be now G2.IG.

More and more teams are going into the Dota 2 this time and I hope that there will be more because a lot of teams don't have a sponsor as of now.

[passwordnow]

Yeah, I remember that about Korben and still he insists about that disqualification because of the three players replacement for the roster. I don't know why he's still into it when the fact that Team Spirit was said to be taking a rest for this year and won't participate to this big tournament before this year ends.

I didn't know that there's still some point system because I thought that the entire pointing system(DPC) is going to be changed. Yes, I know that these points aren't with the DPC but with this EPT points, let's see on how teams are going to take it and for sure that there's gonna be another basis for this one.

What people are waiting for now is the Riyadh Masters that's said and rumored to have that $45M prize pool and every team is going to be crazy about it and who knows if Team Spirit is going to cash out and participate that tournament again. 

But Korben is always in my news feed, although he should calm down and relax during the upcoming New Year holidays.

Then just ignore him if you're bothered by him, hehe. 

$45 million in prize money, such a sum is mind blowing! If this is confirmed, I will fall off my chair) With such prize money from Riyadh Masters, everyone’s favorite TI will fade into the background. Money changes the location of tournaments and it seems that no one will compete with the Arab sheikhs in conquering the e-sports market. From such a large sum, several more professional teams should appear, because the stakes are very high.

Valve should give themselves a break if this is going to be another real prize pool. Because instead of the players craving to go to the TI, they're now going to focus more with the Riyadh Masters because the huge prize pool is in there and with some statements from Yatoro that the Aegis in the TI is a scam because they're just allowed to keep it for a night and then will be taken away from them the next day.

Based on the experience, the Aegis was only with Team Spirit for one night before Valve took it back, which he described as a "scam".

[Mauser]

This weekend the semi and grand final is happening of the BetBoom Dacha 2023. It was kind of sad to see Furia being eliminated after there strong win against Astralis, but both Spirit and Virtus.pro played much better and deserve to be in the semi finals. The first match today is going to be BetBoom vs Virtus.pro and should be won comfortable by Virtus.pro. They are the much stronger team and didn't lose a match yet in the tournament, for me they are the clear favourite. The second match today is going to be MIBR vs Spirit, where I am going with Spirit to win the match. It's nice to still see a Brazilian team in the tournament, but I think Spirit is much stronger and should win easily. Also, the two teams played against each other during the qualifiers and Spirit won 2-0. The most likely grand final tomorrow is going to be Virtus.pro vs Spirit, where I am going with Virtus.pro to win the tournament. They reached the first place in the group stafge and beat Spirit 2-0 earlier this week already. Should be a good final, which might be going into overtime on one match, but Virtus.pro will win in the end. 

[arallmuus]

with some statements from Yatoro that the Aegis in the TI is a scam because they're just allowed to keep it for a night and then will be taken away from them the next day.

So basically Valve reused all those aegis every year huh, kinda lame. I thought the winner would be able to keep them but honestly it just doesnt really make sense to keep them either because most team or organization got disbanded in a year or two after they got The Aegis.


ESL one is coming boys, time to revamp this thread with dota2 betting. Obviously group stage is the worst when it comes to betting especially on bo2 games and its even worse this time because this is the first official high tier tournament in the new season so any shit could have happened in the group stage

[passwordnow]

with some statements from Yatoro that the Aegis in the TI is a scam because they're just allowed to keep it for a night and then will be taken away from them the next day.

So basically Valve reused all those aegis every year huh, kinda lame. I thought the winner would be able to keep them but honestly it just doesnt really make sense to keep them either because most team or organization got disbanded in a year or two after they got The Aegis.

Probably, I don't know about OG's story about the Aegis but it could be the same or they're able to keep it. But as we are all expecting, it's a trophy that the champions should keep forever, right? It's a plaque of their success for being the best team for the entire year. Yes, there goes the teams that disbanded after taking the aegis but Team Spirit is still intact but with just 1 changed player.

I think the matter of fact here is the authenticity that it came from Yatoro who's now a 2 time TI champion. It's just sad that the moment that should be theirs with the aegis was taken away, anyway they can just make their own plaques and trophies and display it to their salas or rooms. But I've seen collapse has a better trophy with that brand new car or it was just a photo op.

[passwordnow]

11 hours from now, we're about to see the start of the ESL Kuala Lumpur 2023. Where are you guys? Where are the Dota 2 folks here? Let's start some discussion as I cannot cover most of the updates as I only see a few and most likely none of them regarding players and updates if someone's going to play for stand in or not.

RUMOR: Tundra Esports might move to NA and will take to their wings the roster of the released TSM players which is now named, Team Undying. While I don't see yet the name replaced for Team Undying into Tundra Esports so, this is still a rumor. What do you think of it? The last team I've known Tundra is remaining only with Topson and if the entire Team Undying going to be taken over by Tundra then it's all out for Topson.

After the 2-peat achievement of Topson, despite one of the best mid laners out there and proven to be a team player. He's like a stray dog in the proscene now. It's entirely different with his former gang with the roster that he's got with OG before. Speaking of him, what team do you think still need a strong mid as him?

[sompitonov]

11 hours from now, we're about to see the start of the ESL Kuala Lumpur 2023. Where are you guys? Where are the Dota 2 folks here? Let's start some discussion as I cannot cover most of the updates as I only see a few and most likely none of them regarding players and updates if someone's going to play for stand in or not.

RUMOR: Tundra Esports might move to NA and will take to their wings the roster of the released TSM players which is now named, Team Undying. While I don't see yet the name replaced for Team Undying into Tundra Esports so, this is still a rumor. What do you think of it? The last team I've known Tundra is remaining only with Topson and if the entire Team Undying going to be taken over by Tundra then it's all out for Topson.

After the 2-peat achievement of Topson, despite one of the best mid laners out there and proven to be a team player. He's like a stray dog in the proscene now. It's entirely different with his former gang with the roster that he's got with OG before. Speaking of him, what team do you think still need a strong mid as him?

I think that Topson will be very difficult to join any team, I sometimes even think that with him no team will reach high places.


Azure Ray defeated Secret and started well, now they already have 3 points. Considering that they could have been suspended, their performance is much more interesting to watch. It’s a pity that I didn’t have time to watch this match, it took place early in the morning in my country (

BB played to a draw with GG and Wawitas Saga. And thaey need to start winning, because a draw only gives 1 point, that’s not enough.

Tomorrow for me there will be the most interesting match AZ - BB, BB will also play with SECRET, I hope this will not be another draw) I would like to see amazing games.

[passwordnow]

11 hours from now, we're about to see the start of the ESL Kuala Lumpur 2023. Where are you guys? Where are the Dota 2 folks here? Let's start some discussion as I cannot cover most of the updates as I only see a few and most likely none of them regarding players and updates if someone's going to play for stand in or not.

RUMOR: Tundra Esports might move to NA and will take to their wings the roster of the released TSM players which is now named, Team Undying. While I don't see yet the name replaced for Team Undying into Tundra Esports so, this is still a rumor. What do you think of it? The last team I've known Tundra is remaining only with Topson and if the entire Team Undying going to be taken over by Tundra then it's all out for Topson.

After the 2-peat achievement of Topson, despite one of the best mid laners out there and proven to be a team player. He's like a stray dog in the proscene now. It's entirely different with his former gang with the roster that he's got with OG before. Speaking of him, what team do you think still need a strong mid as him?

I think that Topson will be very difficult to join any team, I sometimes even think that with him no team will reach high places.

I guess he's just done with his prime. He went from SEA back to EU and then still didn't manage to end with good places. Dota isn't just all about individual skills but it's a team game. Compared with his relationship and team plays with the real og, OG. It can no longer be compared with the power of friendship and chemistry for which we are seeing this with current Team Spirit.

Azure Ray defeated Secret and started well, now they already have 3 points. Considering that they could have been suspended, their performance is much more interesting to watch. It’s a pity that I didn’t have time to watch this match, it took place early in the morning in my country (

BB played to a draw with GG and Wawitas Saga. And thaey need to start winning, because a draw only gives 1 point, that’s not enough.

Tomorrow for me there will be the most interesting match AZ - BB, BB will also play with SECRET, I hope this will not be another draw) I would like to see amazing games.

I've watched the game of Azure Ray and Blacklist Rivalry, both ended up today with a 3-1 and that's a good start for both teams. Whilst for Wawitas Sagazes, they're like a bonus round for the first day.

RUMOR: Tundra Esports might move to NA and will take to their wings the roster of the released TSM players which is now named, Team Undying.

Alright, this rumor tend to be true and Team Undying's team name now changed to Tundra Esports. This is a nice move for Tundra so that they'll still have their organization in the meta, former TSM/Undying players ain't that bad at all. Knowing that there's not that much competition in the NA scene, so this is a smart choice for them.

And guys, guess who's back?
News: Chinese Dota 2 legend Ame returns to pro play with Xtreme Gaming

Who is excited to see Ame in the pro scene again? I know that most of the fans here including me wanted him to see reunite with his former gang in LGD. Currently, Xtreme Gaming is just composed of two player, him and DY. For sure that there are arrangements already and we'll need to wait further about their announcement on who are the other three players that will be added to the roster.

[arallmuus]

Alright, this rumor tend to be true and Team Undying's team name now changed to Tundra Esports. This is a nice move for Tundra so that they'll still have their organization in the meta, former TSM/Undying players ain't that bad at all. Knowing that there's not that much competition in the NA scene, so this is a smart choice for them.

Especially with the new system on EPT point, there wont be that many points like last season so the best team on each region will be going to those ESL sponsored tournament to get those EPT points which means hiring an entire squad of the best team in NA and SA is the best option that any team could hope for now. MENA region might also be another good region to start for an organization to start with

And guys, guess who's back?
News: Chinese Dota 2 legend Ame returns to pro play with Xtreme Gaming

Kinda wonder how good will this guy play, I mean he hasnt been on competitive scene for over a year so he might be rusty abit. Ana was a top player before he decided to stop then he wasnt really the same guy anymore before he stopped playing competitively


Any good betting tips for tomorrow? Im going to start with Azure Ray and Betboom to win tomorrow

[dothebeats]

And guys, guess who's back?
News: Chinese Dota 2 legend Ame returns to pro play with Xtreme Gaming

Who is excited to see Ame in the pro scene again? I know that most of the fans here including me wanted him to see reunite with his former gang in LGD. Currently, Xtreme Gaming is just composed of two player, him and DY. For sure that there are arrangements already and we'll need to wait further about their announcement on who are the other three players that will be added to the roster.

Ame has retired for a couple of times now and just comes back to Dota every so often. The guy is restless until he wins that elusive TI trophy. I still watch some of his games every so often and he's still as crisp on pos 1 as he was during his tenure with LGD. I'm not sure whether a complete comeback of the former LGD crew is possible with him joining to Xtreme Gaming. Dy is a good familiar teammate to him, and hopefully Xtreme Gaming posts some good wins at the start of the year leading up to TI.

[vennali]

Day 1 end for the ESL One Kuala Lumpur. Few surprises as 9 Pandas and LGD performing subpar. Gamin Gladiators lost map 1 to secret, that was out of the blue as well, as I was expecting GG to 2-0 that matchup.