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Question: Who will be the champion in 2024/25 season?
Manchester City - 6 (33.3%)
Liverpool - 2 (11.1%)
Arsenal - 10 (55.6%)
Chelsea - 0 (0%)
Manchester United - 0 (0%)
Totenham - 0 (0%)
Newcastle - 0 (0%)
Other - 0 (0%)
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November 26, 2023, 02:37:53 AM
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Good to be on top again. Grin
Havertz finally did something good and brought 3 points. Despite all the negative talk about Arsenal this season, they have been in control of the matches and have somehow found the goal. As long as they get 3 points, there is no need to dominate the whole match. The team will be much better when Jesus is ready, give him some more time.
Three points was the only points needed to be ahead of Manchester City this weekend. Amazing at top of the table feels really good. Mikel Arteta is once more topping all the elite teams in EPL and this might be his moment to take the lead in the early hours of campaign. The underrated Kai Havertz have become the man of the moment after netting the only goal that gave Arsenal the lead against Brentford. This is the one game that would have hold down Gunners from climbing top but they didn't relent, rather they force their way through and winning becomes the ultimate target for the club.

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November 26, 2023, 02:45:20 AM
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It turns out it's not that easy to believe in Chelsea. ha ha
I think that Chelsea can really change and also play optimally because the last two matches were quite good. But this time, they really failed. Due to a situation like that, with Newcastle's condition being quite down, it turns out that Pochettino has not been able to bring Chelsea to win against Newcastle. Moreover, they lost badly 1 - 4 for Newcastle to win. This was a really bad result for Chelsea. They also got 1 red card.

Yes I agree with that, it's not easy to put faith in them now. Maybe they can play well against Tottnham and Manchester City, but they can change in the next match, one of them is this match.
Actually in the first half they played quite well and they could even hold a draw. But entering the second half, Newcastle can play more effectively in utilizing the opportunities they get. Even in my opinion the red card received by Chelsea was not the reason for their defeat in this match.

Liverpool in this league really showed their best performance. In my opinion, only Klopp is really a competitor to Pep Guardiola in the Premier League. It's just that Pep is a little luckier because all the players he is targeting can be bought. Meanwhile, Klopp, that's how it is.

This wasn't Liverpool's finest performance. We have had better performances but today's own was enough to get the job done and that was to get the bare minimum if we can't get maximum game from the fixture. Everybody knew it wouldn't be an easy feat to goto Etihad stadium and get all 3 points from Guardiola's men even without KDB playing.

My expectations will be higher when Liverpool hold city at Anfield later this season  Smiley
This is a success for Liverpool, although only a draw they achieved but it was good, because we know that it is not easy to beat Manchester City when competing at home. A result that I think is fair enough for these two teams, they also show an interesting game.
Although Manchester City dominated the match, they could not penetrate the defense built by Liverpool other than in the 27th minute when Erling Haaland created a goal.

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November 26, 2023, 02:47:58 AM
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Good to be on top again. Grin
Havertz finally did something good and brought 3 points. Despite all the negative talk about Arsenal this season, they have been in control of the matches and have somehow found the goal. As long as they get 3 points, there is no need to dominate the whole match. The team will be much better when Jesus is ready, give him some more time.
Of course, no one is perfect in the game, there are always those who criticize Arsenal, some say Arsenal's attackers are ineffective when they get opportunities so they are only able to score one goal. But for me, a few goals or a lot of goals doesn't matter, the important thing is that they can get three points and now they are at the top of the standings. I saw that Arsenal looked very solid defensively in several matches and this was Arsenal's shortcoming last season. This must be addressed but I want my attack to improve a little.

Havertz ended up being a hero for Arsenal in this match, but in my opinion there is an unsung hero in this match, that player is Tomiyasu, he always wins every aerial battle. He is a fantastic defender.

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November 26, 2023, 02:50:46 AM
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Unfortunately, you are right. Because Manchester City could not secure full points at home against Liverpool, although they led in the first half but unfortunately Liverpool were able to equal the score in the second half. Arsenal lucky this week, they can took advantage of this momentum by beating Brentford. Although they also had struggled in this match as you said and only got one score, but at least in the end they can got three points and take over City position on top for awhile.
In other matches, I don't believe with the result of the match Newcastle vs Chelsea. Previously Chelsea were so convincing because they could get one point from City, but today they can be beaten very bad.
Manchester City was good in the first half because they managed to score a goal from Erling Haaland's kick, but when in the final minute Manchester City's defense seemed weak and Liverpool realized that, Liverpool took advantage of the opportunity to score a goal and in the end gave a draw. Manchester City at least had tried hard to maintain their defense. And finally, Arsenal reached the top of the standings because Manchester City failed to win the match against Liverpool.
I don't think it would be wrong if yesterday's match is considered as the best match of the English Premier League as yesterday we enjoyed a breathtaking match between Manchester City vs Liverpool. With the performances of Manchester City and Liverpool yesterday, it is normal for the two teams to share a point. On the other hand, Manchester City made two short goals on Liverpool's target. Manchester City went ahead in the beginning, but later Liverpool managed to equalize. Those who missed one such match might have missed one of the most interesting matches of the season so far. Manchester City and Liverpool points difference before the start of the match was 1 and after the match Manchester City and Liverpool points difference was 1.

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November 26, 2023, 02:59:42 AM
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Havertz ended up being a hero for Arsenal in this match, but in my opinion there is an unsung hero in this match, that player is Tomiyasu, he always wins every aerial battle. He is a fantastic defender.

Yeah Tomiyasu really did a great job at the defense in this game, I commend his effort in the defense, it's really impressive of him. Havertz that isn't even too in form was able to secure the win for Arsenal, that was a very brilliant header from Kai Havertz.

I think Gabriel Jesus needs more training time before he can feature in Arsenal matches because for being absent for quite sometimes now requires him to be fully fit before he can play convincingly, he flopped so much today and wasted opportunities that would have been converted but however it's really good to see him back on the pitch.

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November 26, 2023, 03:14:31 AM
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Good to be on top again. Grin
Havertz finally did something good and brought 3 points. Despite all the negative talk about Arsenal this season, they have been in control of the matches and have somehow found the goal. As long as they get 3 points, there is no need to dominate the whole match. The team will be much better when Jesus is ready, give him some more time.
Three points was the only points needed to be ahead of Manchester City this weekend. Amazing at top of the table feels really good. Mikel Arteta is once more topping all the elite teams in EPL and this might be his moment to take the lead in the early hours of campaign. The underrated Kai Havertz have become the man of the moment after netting the only goal that gave Arsenal the lead against Brentford. This is the one game that would have hold down Gunners from climbing top but they didn't relent, rather they force their way through and winning becomes the ultimate target for the club.
Congratulations to Arsenal and Kai Havertz for being a hero for Arsenal and the team and determining the victory over Brentford, thanks to this victory Arsenal returned to first place, Manchester City in 2nd place, Liverpool in 3rd place.
Competition in the Premier League is getting fiercer. The three clubs have a very narrow difference in points, so the three clubs are trying to catch up to get points to occupy first place.

Manchester City has very strong rivals this season and Pep Guardiola has to fight harder to win the Premier League title again because currently it looks difficult to predict. The three club have almost the same strength. It seems like it will take until the end of the season to see who will survive and consistent and deserving of this title.

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November 26, 2023, 03:45:30 AM
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Of course, no one is perfect in the game, there are always those who criticize Arsenal, some say Arsenal's attackers are ineffective when they get opportunities so they are only able to score one goal. But for me, a few goals or a lot of goals doesn't matter, the important thing is that they can get three points and now they are at the top of the standings. I saw that Arsenal looked very solid defensively in several matches and this was Arsenal's shortcoming last season. This must be addressed but I want my attack to improve a little.

Havertz ended up being a hero for Arsenal in this match, but in my opinion there is an unsung hero in this match, that player is Tomiyasu, he always wins every aerial battle. He is a fantastic defender.
Its not important about how beautiful counter attack build up regarding three points achievement although Arsenal won 1-0 over Brentford and helped them reach to fist position placed. Special achievement for Kai Havertz who played last ten minutes before match ended but his one important goals give three points for Arsenal and they will comfortable until next matchday on the top position.

Beside Havertz as important player for Arsenal winning match I think don't forget with Japanese player Takehiro Tomiyasu, he is playing well last night and most special thing from this player can play well as left or right defender. Arsenal focus upcoming match on Champion  League to get one place on 16th round. Arsenal answered criticize and waiting until how long they will consistent on the top standing regarding last season loss first place behind league almost ended.

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November 26, 2023, 04:00:20 AM
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Havertz ended up being a hero for Arsenal in this match, but in my opinion there is an unsung hero in this match, that player is Tomiyasu, he always wins every aerial battle. He is a fantastic defender.
After signing him in the middle of this year, now Havertz can give one contribution for Arsenal. Cheesy

It's strange to see Tomiyasu mostly wins in every aerial battle even though he's not that tall, both Saliba and Gabriel are taller than him.

Nice to see Ramsdale back to play for Arsenal since Arteta prefer to let Raya to play despite Raya keep making a silly mistake.

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November 26, 2023, 04:00:29 AM
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ArsenaI did well in winning that game against their host Brentford and taking advantage of the draw between Manchester city and their visitors Liverpool to top the table and I kind of think this season is becoming more dramatic than the previous seasons we've had so far, looking at how the Big teams are moving back and forth in the Premier League table competing who will lead.

Minus the first premier league game, Manchester city initially topped the league, Tottenham Hotspur did so and Manchester city at some point again climb back top of the table and now without spending much of time, Arsenal has taken over, and furthermore the point difference are very close to each other and that makes the league more interesting and difficult right now for anyone to predict which team will win the league.

Kudos to the Arsenal team for their away victory that got them on top of the table.

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November 26, 2023, 04:03:50 AM
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I don’t know why Moises Caicedo was benched but a player like Caicedo should not be left on the bench if he is not injured because we can all see the difference in their midfield compared to other matches he started.
I can’t say for sure but I can still recall hearing over the commentary that, he happens to be the last returning player from the international break on the Chelsea team. That could mean, not having to be properly filled in on the team tactics and perhaps, leaving him on the bench was by some means to discipline the player.

On top of that and recent performance for Caicedo I wouldn’t say he was just too great or his coming off the bench could have been part of what resulted to this defeat. I can still recall his first game where his mistake caused Chelsea a goal, a few games after that where he struggled and even games where he had to be on the starting lineup and Chelsea still gets to struggle.

Chelsea is a team that lacks consistency on their side and while they still try to fine a rhythm for there team, you can expect whichever opposition to capitalize on that, cause them to make a mistake and use that to punish the team. There were just lots of mistakes from them today and each of them was punished.
In this instance, the lack of consistency is likely caused by the younger team, which management does not seem to understand. Newcastle is slightly different from Manchester City with the experience in the squad. The team started a new central back and new defensive midfielder that should come later in the Game.

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November 26, 2023, 04:15:53 AM
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Manchester City was good in the first half because they managed to score a goal from Erling Haaland's kick, but when in the final minute Manchester City's defense seemed weak and Liverpool realized that, Liverpool took advantage of the opportunity to score a goal and in the end gave a draw. Manchester City at least had tried hard to maintain their defense. And finally, Arsenal reached the top of the standings because Manchester City failed to win the match against Liverpool.
Manchester City are held to a draw tie after their an incredible performance display at Etihad Stadium. Pep Guardiola seems dissapointed with that results because that was absolutely not the outcome he anticipated, rather he was looking forward for a win which the citizens was this very close to achieving their target but couldn't hold on much longer after Liverpool invaded their defendlines with long crucial passes and this time, Trent Alexander-Arnold didn't dissapoints, he successfully executed the ball right where he wanted and score the equalizing goal making it 1-1 on the scoresheet. Liverpool couldn't dominate the game due to the extreme counter attacks gained on the Reds side.

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November 26, 2023, 04:31:27 AM
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Congratulations to Arsenal and Kai Havertz for being a hero for Arsenal and the team and determining the victory over Brentford, thanks to this victory Arsenal returned to first place, Manchester City in 2nd place, Liverpool in 3rd place.
Competition in the Premier League is getting fiercer. The three clubs have a very narrow difference in points, so the three clubs are trying to catch up to get points to occupy first place.
Mancity and Liverpool played to a thrilling draw. I believe Mancity deserved to win this match, but Alexander-Arnold's brilliance earned Liverpool a valuable point. It's worth mentioning that Alisson Becker made quite a few mistakes; had Mancity capitalized on them, they could have scored at least one more goal.

The draw might leave both teams somewhat dissatisfied, but it's a source of joy for Arsenal, helping them climb to the top of the table. They struggled in their match at Brentford, and it wasn't until the 89th minute that Havertz's brilliance secured a priceless victory for them.
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Manchester City has very strong rivals this season and Pep Guardiola has to fight harder to win the Premier League title again because currently it looks difficult to predict. The three club have almost the same strength. It seems like it will take until the end of the season to see who will survive and consistent and deserving of this title.
This year's league promises to be an exciting three-way race between Mancity, Arsenal, and Liverpool. Tottenham is also a formidable opponent, but recently, they have revealed weaknesses in squad depth, making it challenging for them to compete over the long haul with the other three teams. Unfortunately for Liverpool, they suffered injuries to Diogo Jota and Alisson Becker in last night's match.
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November 26, 2023, 04:32:17 AM
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Its not important about how beautiful counter attack build up regarding three points achievement although Arsenal won 1-0 over Brentford and helped them reach to fist position placed. Special achievement for Kai Havertz who played last ten minutes before match ended but his one important goals give three points for Arsenal and they will comfortable until next matchday on the top position.

Beside Havertz as important player for Arsenal winning match I think don't forget with Japanese player Takehiro Tomiyasu, he is playing well last night and most special thing from this player can play well as left or right defender. Arsenal focus upcoming match on Champion  League to get one place on 16th round. Arsenal answered criticize and waiting until how long they will consistent on the top standing regarding last season loss first place behind league almost ended.
An important victory which was welcomed happily by Arsenal fans as they achieved three points made their favorite team succeed in overtaking Manchester City at the top of the standings. Yes, in that match Tomiyasu really performed brilliantly, he deserved applause. Apart from that, Havertz, who was the hero, also looked very happy and he really enjoyed it.

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November 26, 2023, 04:58:43 AM
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Manchester City was good in the first half because they managed to score a goal from Erling Haaland's kick, but when in the final minute Manchester City's defense seemed weak and Liverpool realized that, Liverpool took advantage of the opportunity to score a goal and in the end gave a draw. Manchester City at least had tried hard to maintain their defense. And finally, Arsenal reached the top of the standings because Manchester City failed to win the match against Liverpool.
Manchester City are held to a draw tie after their an incredible performance display at Etihad Stadium. Pep Guardiola seems dissapointed with that results because that was absolutely not the outcome he anticipated, rather he was looking forward for a win which the citizens was this very close to achieving their target but couldn't hold on much longer after Liverpool invaded their defendlines with long crucial passes and this time, Trent Alexander-Arnold didn't dissapoints, he successfully executed the ball right where he wanted and score the equalizing goal making it 1-1 on the scoresheet. Liverpool couldn't dominate the game due to the extreme counter attacks gained on the Reds side.
Failure to achieve full points at home meant that Manchester City had to give up the top of the standings. Conditions like this clearly made Pep Guardiola very disappointed, but he must immediately forget about this result because the challenge will be even more difficult in the future. I see the Manchester City squad this season as being a little different, perhaps the loss of Kevin De Bruyne is the cause so that attack creativity has slowed down a bit.

Unlike Liverpool, they were quite satisfied with the draw, but the match against Manchester City was a benchmark for Klopp in testing the strength of his squad.

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November 26, 2023, 05:01:27 AM
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I don’t know why Moises Caicedo was benched but a player like Caicedo should not be left on the bench if he is not injured because we can all see the difference in their midfield compared to other matches he started.
I can’t say for sure but I can still recall hearing over the commentary that, he happens to be the last returning player from the international break on the Chelsea team. That could mean, not having to be properly filled in on the team tactics and perhaps, leaving him on the bench was by some means to discipline the player.

On top of that and recent performance for Caicedo I wouldn’t say he was just too great or his coming off the bench could have been part of what resulted to this defeat. I can still recall his first game where his mistake caused Chelsea a goal, a few games after that where he struggled and even games where he had to be on the starting lineup and Chelsea still gets to struggle.

Chelsea is a team that lacks consistency on their side and while they still try to fine a rhythm for there team, you can expect whichever opposition to capitalize on that, cause them to make a mistake and use that to punish the team. There were just lots of mistakes from them today and each of them was punished.
In this instance, the lack of consistency is likely caused by the younger team, which management does not seem to understand. Newcastle is slightly different from Manchester City with the experience in the squad. The team started a new central back and new defensive midfielder that should come later in the Game.
If you do aware chelsea has made some mistakes even before the game was starting. Replacing caicedo which has been fully blind with chukwu is the worst thing. There have been many complaints for poch regarding this decision. Chukwu was just recovering again from his injury and how can he has been chosen to be the main started of chelsea instead of caicedo? this is the first blunder being made by poch. There is also another one like let garbage jackson to play till let game.
This guy was a lazy striker and chelsea needs also to replace him once he would not be performing so well. Pochettino shall have replaced him since the second half was just begun.

Im wondering how long pochettino will be learning from his mistake. Poche like never listen to the fans. It's very bad to see him used the wrong line up.
I would rather than replace number 16 with caicedo since the first half. This guy was making the performance of chelsea even worst. How can chelsea go up again if the club keeps make another mistake?

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Its not important about how beautiful counter attack build up regarding three points achievement although Arsenal won 1-0 over Brentford and helped them reach to fist position placed. Special achievement for Kai Havertz who played last ten minutes before match ended but his one important goals give three points for Arsenal and they will comfortable until next matchday on the top position.

Beside Havertz as important player for Arsenal winning match I think don't forget with Japanese player Takehiro Tomiyasu, he is playing well last night and most special thing from this player can play well as left or right defender. Arsenal focus upcoming match on Champion  League to get one place on 16th round. Arsenal answered criticize and waiting until how long they will consistent on the top standing regarding last season loss first place behind league almost ended.
An important victory which was welcomed happily by Arsenal fans as they achieved three points made their favorite team succeed in overtaking Manchester City at the top of the standings. Yes, in that match Tomiyasu really performed brilliantly, he deserved applause. Apart from that, Havertz, who was the hero, also looked very happy and he really enjoyed it.

This was a much needed win for Arsenal. Because Arsenal fell far behind in the title race after the defeat against Newcastle. And this win saw them reclaim the top spot in the table. And on the other hand, the other two title contenders Manchester City and Liverpool shared the points between them. This is why Arsenal have managed to occupy the top spot in the table.
After watching Tottenham's poor performances in the last two games, I no longer see this team as favorites for the title. The battle for the title will be between Manchester City, Arsenal and Liverpool. The team that can maintain the consistency of performance will win the title.

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November 26, 2023, 05:24:10 AM
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Good to be on top again. Grin
Havertz finally did something good and brought 3 points. Despite all the negative talk about Arsenal this season, they have been in control of the matches and have somehow found the goal. As long as they get 3 points, there is no need to dominate the whole match. The team will be much better when Jesus is ready, give him some more time.

The Elephant on top once again. This is what I predicted actually before the start the weekends fixtures. Seeing Kai Havertz scoring gladdens me, I do feel like he was a scam sold from Chelsea to Arsenal but after scoring from left back during international break I knew he'll be back for Arsenal with lots of confidence. There so much noise out there, you have to filter to hear clearly and also pay close attention.

I also love the formation rom Mikel Arteta, playing all attack. He's not completely fit ( Gabriel Jesus ) He should be given time also they should make sure they don't repeat mistake from last season. They should get Ivan Toney for attack amd a right winger to shield Saka just incase Saka gets Injured. Once again, glad to see that they be on top of the league.

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November 26, 2023, 05:33:21 AM
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Manchester City was good in the first half because they managed to score a goal from Erling Haaland's kick, but when in the final minute Manchester City's defense seemed weak and Liverpool realized that, Liverpool took advantage of the opportunity to score a goal and in the end gave a draw. Manchester City at least had tried hard to maintain their defense. And finally, Arsenal reached the top of the standings because Manchester City failed to win the match against Liverpool.
Manchester City are held to a draw tie after their an incredible performance display at Etihad Stadium. Pep Guardiola seems dissapointed with that results because that was absolutely not the outcome he anticipated, rather he was looking forward for a win which the citizens was this very close to achieving their target but couldn't hold on much longer after Liverpool invaded their defendlines with long crucial passes and this time, Trent Alexander-Arnold didn't dissapoints, he successfully executed the ball right where he wanted and score the equalizing goal making it 1-1 on the scoresheet. Liverpool couldn't dominate the game due to the extreme counter attacks gained on the Reds side.
Failure to achieve full points at home meant that Manchester City had to give up the top of the standings. Conditions like this clearly made Pep Guardiola very disappointed, but he must immediately forget about this result because the challenge will be even more difficult in the future. I see the Manchester City squad this season as being a little different, perhaps the loss of Kevin De Bruyne is the cause so that attack creativity has slowed down a bit.

Unlike Liverpool, they were quite satisfied with the draw, but the match against Manchester City was a benchmark for Klopp in testing the strength of his squad.

Manchester City have drawn against Chelsea and Liverpool in their last two matches. This is  why the team lost the top spot in the table. Liverpool were very cautious in this match. They learned  from the Chelsea vs City match. This is why they kept their defense very strong in this match. Liverpool's players did not try to attack too much. They played a defensive  strategy in the  first half. However, after going 1-0 down at the  end of the first half, they made several good attacks in the second half. And Alexander Arnold's goal in the 80th minute leveled the  match at 1-1. Liverpool are satisfied with 1 point in this match. Manchester City will play their next  match against Tottenham. City are likely to lose points in this match as well. Manchester City will have to play very carefully in this match.

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November 26, 2023, 06:13:09 AM
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I didn't expect Arsenal to be able to shift the position of Manchester City which was in 1st place and now Manchester City is in 2nd place. However, in the match between Manchester City oppose Liverpool, it was a tight match because both of them are strong teams, but I think a draw is the result. which is satisfying, but I predicted wrong and I predicted that Manchester City would win and remain in first place. but Haaland scored a goal well, but I didn't expect t.alexander to score a goal and be a savior for Liverpool.

I am looking forward to the Manchester city and Liverpool match in the future 9/3/2024. I'm sure there will be another interesting match and I predict that Manchester City can win because if you look at yesterday's match, Manchester City controlled more of the ball.
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November 26, 2023, 06:36:29 AM
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Unfortunately, you are right. Because Manchester City could not secure full points at home against Liverpool, although they led in the first half but unfortunately Liverpool were able to equal the score in the second half. Arsenal lucky this week, they can took advantage of this momentum by beating Brentford. Although they also had struggled in this match as you said and only got one score, but at least in the end they can got three points and take over City position on top for awhile.
In other matches, I don't believe with the result of the match Newcastle vs Chelsea. Previously Chelsea were so convincing because they could get one point from City, but today they can be beaten very bad.
Manchester City was good in the first half because they managed to score a goal from Erling Haaland's kick, but when in the final minute Manchester City's defense seemed weak and Liverpool realized that, Liverpool took advantage of the opportunity to score a goal and in the end gave a draw. Manchester City at least had tried hard to maintain their defense. And finally, Arsenal reached the top of the standings because Manchester City failed to win the match against Liverpool.
I don't think it would be wrong if yesterday's match is considered as the best match of the English Premier League as yesterday we enjoyed a breathtaking match between Manchester City vs Liverpool. With the performances of Manchester City and Liverpool yesterday, it is normal for the two teams to share a point. On the other hand, Manchester City made two short goals on Liverpool's target. Manchester City went ahead in the beginning, but later Liverpool managed to equalize. Those who missed one such match might have missed one of the most interesting matches of the season so far. Manchester City and Liverpool points difference before the start of the match was 1 and after the match Manchester City and Liverpool points difference was 1.
It's wrong. The match between chelsea and newcastle was much more entertain. We must also see that from various aspects. Liverpool is very boring by always playing defensively against city. It was only relying upon counter attack.

This game is not that attractive but the tempo became even faster when it was coming to the late game. Liverpool knew that it should not lose against city at etihad stadium. This is also the main reason why liverpool was gong all offensive at the late game.

TAA has been luckily equalize the score to be draw. Liverpool was going back again playing defensive after it was also scoring 1 goal. 1 point was not really good for both of clubs.

Arsenal has been surpassing liverpool and manchester city now. It's at the first position of EPL after winning the game against brentford.

Hvert was the one who was making arsenal climbs up.

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