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Sainz had pure commitment after restart and he knew he needs to overtake as soon as possible or Ferrari will most likely lose both places so that was a wise decision from him
Yeah, against team orders too apparently, but seems like he could sense the team wasn't at their best, many questionable decisions (and I can only know post-race since I don't hear audio when following the way I do). Funny that they fix their engine issue (for the race anyway) and then find a way to screw up decision-making. You didn't say if you managed to actually take the Sainz bet you were thinking of? I had 3 bets : 1. Leclerc to win 2. Sainz to win 3. McLaren both points. Hit 1/3 but the odd was 5.30 I think so ended up pretty good I say but unfortunately Ricciardo had such a terrible race that he couldn't move in placed from 13rd place.... You were on Ferrari to win the race all along. Those odds before qualifying must of been higher than Hamilton to win @15x which I was on. Didn't even look at Sainz so wouldn't have known what the odds of him winning were. But getting him at the over 5x as you did would be a good payout for just a $25 bet. So congrats to those who believed in a driver who hadn't won at Silverstone before.
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Indeed I was hehe. Serious now , they had good start positions and if neither of them wouldn't won in Silverstone , I think that would have been the ending for Constructor championship and Driver championship but I'm glad it didn't happen and Sainz took a hard working victory.
The odds were 5.50 For Sainz and Leclerc had around 4.75 and McLaren 3.70. I took them just before the race with 1 hour.
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Yes, it seems that on the home track, red bull will consolidate its advantage and increase the already strong lead over competitors. Verstappen has already recovered from the early season failures, and Perez managed to get around Leclerc. I actually feel sorry, I love it when Leclerc performs well. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) By the way, interestingly, the racers lined up according to the points earned: Red Bull 1-2, Ferrari 3-4, Mercedes 5-6.
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I'm trying to understand, deceiving myself that they know something. If Ferrari's strategy today is for the constructors' championship and then if sainza pit was given priority they did it right. Otherwise, we all know that Sainz is not someone who can do the legendary defense and counter attacks of Lecler. Again, Ferrari ignored Leclerc. Even Red Bull and Mercedes know that Leclerc is a better and more dangerous competitor, but does Ferrari not? The man was faster than sainz with a broken wing, it's a big mistake that leclerc wasn't pitted, didn't you see how the man defended with that car.. It was a shame.
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July 07, 2022, 01:28:45 AM |
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I'm trying to understand, deceiving myself that they know something. If Ferrari's strategy today is for the constructors' championship and then if sainza pit was given priority they did it right. Otherwise, we all know that Sainz is not someone who can do the legendary defense and counter attacks of Lecler. Again, Ferrari ignored Leclerc. Even Red Bull and Mercedes know that Leclerc is a better and more dangerous competitor, but does Ferrari not? The man was faster than sainz with a broken wing, it's a big mistake that leclerc wasn't pitted, didn't you see how the man defended with that car.. It was a shame.
Yeah, I understand what you are saying in where Ferrari let Leclerc at the back while Sainz took the lead. Their team operates differently then Red Bull in that respect since they know Verstappen has more points so it would make complete sense to let him lead so he gathers more points to compete for the overall performance on the leaderboard. Seems that Ferrari is allow both drivers to spread those points amongst themselves as they see fit. Being completely up to the drivers while on the track. Because from what I recall during the race Ferrari on the radio told Leclerc "It is up to you" when they were deciding if he should take the position of leader away from Sainz. Yes, it seems that on the home track, red bull will consolidate its advantage and increase the already strong lead over competitors. Verstappen has already recovered from the early season failures, and Perez managed to get around Leclerc. I actually feel sorry, I love it when Leclerc performs well. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) By the way, interestingly, the racers lined up according to the points earned: Red Bull 1-2, Ferrari 3-4, Mercedes 5-6. Perez seems to getting the shorter end of the stick on the team now that Max has pulled away from him in the standings on points. Viewing the odds for the practice race, Leclerc is the favorite to win that one while the odds have not changed on all drivers for the race itself.
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As I understand it, there was some nonsense and incomprehensible tactics in the work of the team with Leclerc during the race. It is not clear why he was not given a command so that he could get around Perez, and maybe even win the race. Then the gap on points with Verstappen would be seriously reduced. But in any case, I like Leclerc this season. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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As a Latin myself , I understand completely how Italians work and it's true , they are too emotive and they don't have the guts to tell to a driver that he is number 2 and he must obey the rules in order for the team to fully benefit from it. I talk with my dad Monday , a day after the race and he told me that Ferrari will never have another Todd to win the championship for them and another Shumacher so they need to discover how to work in team again...which again it doesn't happen this year either and it's been like this since 2007 and even then , it was Massa who kinda let Kimi to win as Ferrari team didn't move a muscle after the race start.
I know that a lot of us are being frustrated of Ferrari and we have all the rights to be but I personally think Ferrari will shine again at some point...maybe under Binotto strategy or not...we will see.
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I want to wait a little more to make my picks because i wanna see if Mercedes dont have to change any componnent in the car.
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The cars which the FIA see as needing changes are the Ferrari and Red bull. Due to an underneath plank. Yeah just as it sounds, a piece of wood. An interesting video I watched about what they had underneath their cars seeing footage from their last race. Austria has a sprint race so to determine who will take pole position in tomorrow's race. Start time is in about 2.5-3 hours from now according to this website: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/austria-sprint-what-time-it-is-how-to-watch/10335027
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^ Didn't realise somehow it was always closer before, but I never thought anything below 3/1 was good value for race winner, much less odds half of that! Already have a good start with the Dutch in pole, but very interesting to see all the favourites more or less in the right grid position. Race starts pretty soon, happy Sunday!
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^ Didn't realise somehow it was always closer before, but I never thought anything below 3/1 was good value for race winner, much less odds half of that! Already have a good start with the Dutch in pole, but very interesting to see all the favourites more or less in the right grid position. Race starts pretty soon, happy Sunday!
Last time the odds were no less absurd: I'm surprised that Russell, after free practice, still lost qualification to Hamilton. However, they will both be behind the leaders, so the race can change everything. Pretty interesting bookmaker quotes in my opinion:
Verstappen, Max - 1.66 Leclerc, Charles - 4.75 Sainz Jr., Carlos - 5.35 Hamilton, Lewis - 12.60 Perez, Sergio - 18.60 Russell, George - 29.60
Ferrari despite winning the qualification is greatly underestimated.
Sainz who won the pole (and finally the race) was quoted as 5.35! And Verstappen as 1.66. Therefore, today's chances are a little closer to reality, given that this time Verstappen will start from first place. But I agree that it makes no sense to bet on such a ridiculous odds, since, apart from other riders, technical problems and accidents can interfere with the distribution of places.
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What a win from Leclerc! A well deserved one as he had that problems with the throttle pedal but he managed to keep it under control and finish the race under those circumstances. Sainz had such a great race until the engine simply went off and then caught fire who kinda scared me as the engine really exploded inside and broke the back of it. Hamilton was the best choice for me today as I had him in my bet to be the winner of his group against Russel , Norris and Ricciardo. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHErKh2t.png&t=663&c=FqQg9kseKRAjnQ)
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Finally I'm satisfied ! Leclerc has won this gran prix ! I'm really happy for him ! Maybe Ferrari should work better on the reliability of his cars, also now Sainz were outside with his cars and Leclerc has risked so much ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) . Hope to see from the next grand prix better things about reliability, Ferrari deserves possibility to win this year !
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Dang, not good for me, but good for the season, still quite a ways for LeClerc to catch up but could prove to be a precious 6 points, but man the gap between 1/2 and the rest of the best -- Hamilton must be grinning ear to ear though with that finish! Nice going, boltz! Sainz who won the pole (and finally the race) was quoted as 5.35! And Verstappen as 1.66. Therefore, today's chances are a little closer to reality, given that this time Verstappen will start from first place. But I agree that it makes no sense to bet on such a ridiculous odds, since, apart from other riders, technical problems and accidents can interfere with the distribution of places.
Yeah, absolute waste of time, wonder how many people got burned today and every other race where the top 2 favs just don't make it. To just break even you've to win 2 races, not my cup of tea.
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Amazing race as i say in the other thread, one thing i fogot to mention was the shit response of the marshals when Sainz car caught fire, come on man you need to go as fast as you can.
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As you know, bookmakers take into account the amount of money that bettors bet on a particular outcome. It turns out that a huge number of people (or rather money) were bet on Verstappen's victory ... and they all lost ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) On the one hand, I sympathize with their losses, on the other hand, I don’t know how superintelligent one must be to bet with such a low odds? I bet today with even lower odds, but these were bets on games where there are only 2 players (and two possible winners) and there is no risk of falling out of the race from the actions of third parties. I wonder if these believers in Verstappen's victory will continue to increase the bet and bet again on his victory in the next race? (Martingale).
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It turns out that a huge number of people (or rather money) were bet on Verstappen's victory ... and they all lost ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) On the one hand, I sympathize with their losses It's RedBull's home track. It's the track he's supposed to know best. Of course he has the highest chance to win. And about the odds, one must be thinking "I better win on low odds than lose on high odds", right? But Ferrari cars were very good, Leclerc was lucky to have no reliability issues, Checo was knocked out by Russell so he couldn't help.. and this time Ferrari's strategy on Leclerc was good. Checo abandoning kinda killed the mood for me, I was hoping for a great recovery race... On the other hand Haas cars had a great race, Ocon too, .. even Lando and Ricci have scored ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) so overall nice results. I felt sorry for Sainz.
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