[ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread)

[Yaunfitda]

Will it be possible for Garcia to make a massive impact on Joshua at this age and stage of his career because Joshua is 32 years old now. I think it is too late to teach Joshua a new style because the learning process is different when you are a younger boxer. I am sure Joshua is set in his ways and it will be difficult for him to change now.

As for Uysk, he is 35 years old now but recent media clips show him in fantastic shape while he was training. No matter which style Joshua adopts he will be unable to beat Usyk, that is what I have concluded.

We've seen that a puncher will have a slim chance against a technical boxer, like what we've seen recently in Haney vs Kambosos. Maybe we will see the same outcome, Joshua feeling frustrated because he can't get his shots because Usyk is using his feet and his technical skills. And yes, we don't know how Robert Garcia has formulate a plan and then put it into action. Maybe they will go like for Joshua to be very aggressive in the beginning and make Usyk very uncomfortable with pressure and maybe caught Usyk with a big shot.

And it is because of this Usyk is the favorite by far, when Joshua lost against Ruiz many people thought he had room for improvement as he was too heavy on the first fight and lost stamina incredibly quickly, then Ruiz made things even easier for Joshua by getting into the ring way heavier than the previous fight which denied his biggest advantage, which was his speed of hands, but against Usyk there is not much Joshua can do, as he cannot outbox him and if he decides to bet everything on his size and punching power then Usyk will dance around him during all the fight.

Yeah, I think in the Ruiz rematch, it was Andy's doing that really case him the fight. He admitted partying and didn't focus on the fight itself as he was on top of the world right now with that huge upset and of course the money.

It might be the case in this fight. if Usyk will not train hard and underestimate AJ, and then Joshua fully focus to get his rematch. It might end up in Joshua avenging his lost and maybe winning by knock out.

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[Jating]

^^ I don't think that Usyk will underestimate him in their rematch. But the war in his motherland would have some effect on him psychologically. But it could be a good or bad thing, good if he is going to be extra motivated although his opponent is not Russian, or bad if the background of the war will be too much for him. I think to defeat a technical fighter, you need to have a good timing.

[Baofeng]

Joshua will have Robert Garcia as his trainer to help him prepare and avenge his lost to Usyk. As per Garcia, they will utilize AJ  physical advantage in this fight. So let's see if they can do it against a very agile and technical fighter.

Do you have an information who is going to be in Usyks corner? For their first fight he was trained by Vasily Lomachenko father. Now Vasily is deeply involve into Ukraine-Russia war (hope he was not just posing in uniform and weapons and really protects his country). Anatoly Lomachenko probably is also busy with Ukraine or cant give his 100% to Usyk. I would say that who prepared Usyk for rematch is a good question.

I have to check who is training or will the Lomachenko be present in his corner. I watch the press conference and the only one I see behind him is the interpreter and his boxing manager Egis Klimas.

I'm also under the impression that he won't be in his corner or trained him to prepare for this fight.

This picture emerges on Usyk official Insta page:



https://www.instagram.com/p/Ce6Up3ltJqB/

But I don't think that is Anatoly Lomachenko.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Usyk looks one scary dude and it was Joshua who is the first one to look away in the face off. So mentally that is a huge win for Usyk already as he has intimidated Joshua.

But that's just one part of the equation, not much of a trash talk between the two. Even Robert Garcia is all respect to Usyk. And he says that he wanted Joshua to be more aggressive? How can he be more aggressive against a elusive fighter. And maybe the more Joshua comes in, the more he is going to be tag by Usyk. It might not be a  heavy loaded punch, but still can frustrate him coming inside.

[JollyGood]

Usyk appears as though he means business. I think he will win by knockout within 4 or 5 rounds. Joshua will be in for a beating when a rampant Usyk shares a ring with him and they trade punches. Joshua has the bigger frame and more power but Usyk has all the hallmarks of a deserving champion including tactics and technique as well as speed and power.

This picture emerges on Usyk official Insta page:

[Kemarit]

^^ Not sure what rounds, but possible this time, Usyk might show his power because of how huge he is couple of days before the fight itself. Or probably the combination, showing his skills again at the same tiem trying to throw that bombs. We all know that Joshua doesn't have a good chin, it has been broken many times already and if Usyk can land perfectly on his chin, gonna be over.

[Boristhecat]

^^ Not sure what rounds, but possible this time, Usyk might show his power because of how huge he is couple of days before the fight itself. Or probably the combination, showing his skills again at the same tiem trying to throw that bombs. We all know that Joshua doesn't have a good chin, it has been broken many times already and if Usyk can land perfectly on his chin, gonna be over.

At the moment, bookmakers evaluate Usyk as a clear favorite:

Usyk, Oleksandr - 1,46

Joshua, Anthony - 2,65

1.46 is about the coefficient that really indicates a high probability of a knockout in a fight or even in the first half of a fight. On the one hand, 2.65 for Joshua's victory looks like a good compensation for the risk, on the other hand, Joshua's chances lie in a random knockout, so it is hardly worth counting on such an outcome.

[TopTort777]

This picture emerges on Usyk official Insta page:



https://www.instagram.com/p/Ce6Up3ltJqB/

But I don't think that is Anatoly Lomachenko.

Nope, that is not Anatoly Lomachenko. Dont know who this is. Previously Usyk has told, that if there is Anatoly in his corner and training camp, he already feels that he wins the fight. I remember he was in a group of civilian defense in Kiev, but later moved to Spain and resumed training. I think he has spend quite a time there living and sparring. Anyway, let the better prepared fighter wins.

[KTChampions]

I see that in the return fight everyone is waiting for Usyk to win by knockout and the odds for the fight from the bookmakers almost completely repeat the odds for the first fight only reversed. Maybe we should expect that the result will be the same reversed relative to expectations?  I'm rooting for Usyk and waiting for his victory, but now I'm starting to worry.

[Baofeng]

This picture emerges on Usyk official Insta page:

Nope, that is not Anatoly Lomachenko. Dont know who this is. Previously Usyk has told, that if there is Anatoly in his corner and training camp, he already feels that he wins the fight. I remember he was in a group of civilian defense in Kiev, but later moved to Spain and resumed training. I think he has spend quite a time there living and sparring. Anyway, let the better prepared fighter wins.

Yep, so I really don't know if Anatoly Lomachenko but perhaps let's assume that he will not be in the corner of Usyk in this fight and he will be with someone else he trust or Anatoly trust to carry the trainer in preparation of this fight.

And yes, he seems to be prepared, and I would say more muscle and becoming a true heavyweight now. And just by looking at the odds, Usyk a good favorite to beat Joshua again.

[TravelMug]

I see that in the return fight everyone is waiting for Usyk to win by knockout and the odds for the fight from the bookmakers almost completely repeat the odds for the first fight only reversed. Maybe we should expect that the result will be the same reversed relative to expectations?  I'm rooting for Usyk and waiting for his victory, but now I'm starting to worry.

It's reversed now because we have seen how Usyk destroyed and played with Joshua in their first fight. He makes Joshua look amateur and so in the rematch Usyk is very much the favorite.

But we don't know, one goes for Joshua though is that he was able to avenge his defeat to Andy Ruiz. So maybe in this fight, who knows, technically it could be pay back time for him or Usyk taking 2-0.

[Silberman]

And it is because of this Usyk is the favorite by far, when Joshua lost against Ruiz many people thought he had room for improvement as he was too heavy on the first fight and lost stamina incredibly quickly, then Ruiz made things even easier for Joshua by getting into the ring way heavier than the previous fight which denied his biggest advantage, which was his speed of hands, but against Usyk there is not much Joshua can do, as he cannot outbox him and if he decides to bet everything on his size and punching power then Usyk will dance around him during all the fight.

Yeah, I think in the Ruiz rematch, it was Andy's doing that really case him the fight. He admitted partying and didn't focus on the fight itself as he was on top of the world right now with that huge upset and of course the money.

It might be the case in this fight. if Usyk will not train hard and underestimate AJ, and then Joshua fully focus to get his rematch. It might end up in Joshua avenging his lost and maybe winning by knock out.

This is going to be difficult because it is likely Usyk is aware of what happened between Ruiz and Joshua and he is not going to make the same mistake that cost Ruiz such a clear defeat against Joshua, If Joshua wants to win he will need to go for a quick KO because he simply does not have the technique of Usyk and he will lose if the fight gets to the judges, however this will require being very aggressive from the beginning of the fight and Joshua has never distinguished himself as someone with a lot of stamina, so this is a strategy that he will not be able to employ for long.

[TopTort777]

This is going to be difficult because it is likely Usyk is aware of what happened between Ruiz and Joshua and he is not going to make the same mistake that cost Ruiz such a clear defeat against Joshua, If Joshua wants to win he will need to go for a quick KO because he simply does not have the technique of Usyk and he will lose if the fight gets to the judges, however this will require being very aggressive from the beginning of the fight and Joshua has never distinguished himself as someone with a lot of stamina, so this is a strategy that he will not be able to employ for long.

It will be extremely hard to KO Usyk, if not even impossible. I cant even remember a fight when Usyk was knocked down or dazed, or even had real troubles.

Several years ago Usyk faced Murat Gasiev in world series of boxing finals. Gasies, heavy handed knockout artist wasnt able to do anything against Usyk. Turtle defense and on each Gasiev punch Usyk threw 6-8 his own. Gasiev tried to do a quick KO, but failed. Joshua if heavier and slower. I would say quick KO tactics wont help.

[KTChampions]

I see that in the return fight everyone is waiting for Usyk to win by knockout and the odds for the fight from the bookmakers almost completely repeat the odds for the first fight only reversed. Maybe we should expect that the result will be the same reversed relative to expectations?  I'm rooting for Usyk and waiting for his victory, but now I'm starting to worry.

It's reversed now because we have seen how Usyk destroyed and played with Joshua in their first fight. He makes Joshua look amateur and so in the rematch Usyk is very much the favorite.

But we don't know, one goes for Joshua though is that he was able to avenge his defeat to Andy Ruiz. So maybe in this fight, who knows, technically it could be pay back time for him or Usyk taking 2-0.

I understand where these odds come from, as I saw Usyk declassify Joshua in the first fight. But in my opinion, regarding the first fight, the situation has not changed much - Usyk, to put it mildly, is still "not the heaviest" heavyweight and it is probably too optimistic to assume that he will win by knockout. I would say that Usyk has a 60% chance of winning by knockout and Joshua has 40%, if you take points (pure boxing) then Usyk has 95% and Joshua has 5% to win.

[Yaunfitda]

And it is because of this Usyk is the favorite by far, when Joshua lost against Ruiz many people thought he had room for improvement as he was too heavy on the first fight and lost stamina incredibly quickly, then Ruiz made things even easier for Joshua by getting into the ring way heavier than the previous fight which denied his biggest advantage, which was his speed of hands, but against Usyk there is not much Joshua can do, as he cannot outbox him and if he decides to bet everything on his size and punching power then Usyk will dance around him during all the fight.

Yeah, I think in the Ruiz rematch, it was Andy's doing that really case him the fight. He admitted partying and didn't focus on the fight itself as he was on top of the world right now with that huge upset and of course the money.

It might be the case in this fight. if Usyk will not train hard and underestimate AJ, and then Joshua fully focus to get his rematch. It might end up in Joshua avenging his lost and maybe winning by knock out.

This is going to be difficult because it is likely Usyk is aware of what happened between Ruiz and Joshua and he is not going to make the same mistake that cost Ruiz such a clear defeat against Joshua, If Joshua wants to win he will need to go for a quick KO because he simply does not have the technique of Usyk and he will lose if the fight gets to the judges, however this will require being very aggressive from the beginning of the fight and Joshua has never distinguished himself as someone with a lot of stamina, so this is a strategy that he will not be able to employ for long.

Yes, that maybe their first strategy, try to get a quick KO and see if Usyk is focus on this fight and not on the background (war).

But if their strategy didn't work, that will really be difficult as Usyk is a boxer and more technical. While it seems that AJ strength is try to go head first and go bully his opponent. But if that will not work then what plan B did Robert Garcia had in this fight?

[Baofeng]

And it is because of this Usyk is the favorite by far, when Joshua lost against Ruiz many people thought he had room for improvement as he was too heavy on the first fight and lost stamina incredibly quickly, then Ruiz made things even easier for Joshua by getting into the ring way heavier than the previous fight which denied his biggest advantage, which was his speed of hands, but against Usyk there is not much Joshua can do, as he cannot outbox him and if he decides to bet everything on his size and punching power then Usyk will dance around him during all the fight.

Yeah, I think in the Ruiz rematch, it was Andy's doing that really case him the fight. He admitted partying and didn't focus on the fight itself as he was on top of the world right now with that huge upset and of course the money.

It might be the case in this fight. if Usyk will not train hard and underestimate AJ, and then Joshua fully focus to get his rematch. It might end up in Joshua avenging his lost and maybe winning by knock out.

This is going to be difficult because it is likely Usyk is aware of what happened between Ruiz and Joshua and he is not going to make the same mistake that cost Ruiz such a clear defeat against Joshua, If Joshua wants to win he will need to go for a quick KO because he simply does not have the technique of Usyk and he will lose if the fight gets to the judges, however this will require being very aggressive from the beginning of the fight and Joshua has never distinguished himself as someone with a lot of stamina, so this is a strategy that he will not be able to employ for long.

Yes, that maybe their first strategy, try to get a quick KO and see if Usyk is focus on this fight and not on the background (war).

But if their strategy didn't work, that will really be difficult as Usyk is a boxer and more technical. While it seems that AJ strength is try to go head first and go bully his opponent. But if that will not work then what plan B did Robert Garcia had in this fight?

Garcia said that they should be ready on anything that Usyk will bring in this fight:

“Usyk might come and do something that means we have to box more, you never know but we will be ready for whatever Usyk brings. Usyk is a great fighter and champion, I know him personally and how dedicated he is but we are ready to make AJ a three-time heavyweight champion of the world.”

But then share some insight on what they are going to do:

“Anthony has the height, reach and power advantages but we cannot go in there thinking we can just get the knockout. We have to be smart and win the fight. We don’t know what Usyk is going to come and do," Garcia told The Sun.

https://www.boxingscene.com/robert-garcia-joshua-smart-against-usyk-t-go-there-thinking-ko--167221

And this is what Garcia has been preaching, he said he wants AJ to take his physical advantage like height and reach which he didn't do in the first fight. AJ just go and look for the knock out which didn't happen because Usyk is every elusive.

[JollyGood]

From sheer determination alone it seems clear Usyk will go out from the first bell to win by knockout. He believes he can do it and he believes Ukraine and supporters of Ukraine are behind him. For Joshua it will be a fight, an opportunity to simply try to regain the belts and then go for a unification fight or another big pay day as a champion but for Usyk he feels he can further put Ukraine and the Ukrainian cause on the map.

I see absolutely zero chance for Joshua to win the rematch except by virtue of a well connected lucky punch that might catch Usyk off-guard. Other than that Usyk will win by dominating the fight from beginning to end.

This is going to be difficult because it is likely Usyk is aware of what happened between Ruiz and Joshua and he is not going to make the same mistake that cost Ruiz such a clear defeat against Joshua, If Joshua wants to win he will need to go for a quick KO because he simply does not have the technique of Usyk and he will lose if the fight gets to the judges, however this will require being very aggressive from the beginning of the fight and Joshua has never distinguished himself as someone with a lot of stamina, so this is a strategy that he will not be able to employ for long.

It will be extremely hard to KO Usyk, if not even impossible. I cant even remember a fight when Usyk was knocked down or dazed, or even had real troubles.

Several years ago Usyk faced Murat Gasiev in world series of boxing finals. Gasies, heavy handed knockout artist wasnt able to do anything against Usyk. Turtle defense and on each Gasiev punch Usyk threw 6-8 his own. Gasiev tried to do a quick KO, but failed. Joshua if heavier and slower. I would say quick KO tactics wont help.

[Silberman]

This is going to be difficult because it is likely Usyk is aware of what happened between Ruiz and Joshua and he is not going to make the same mistake that cost Ruiz such a clear defeat against Joshua, If Joshua wants to win he will need to go for a quick KO because he simply does not have the technique of Usyk and he will lose if the fight gets to the judges, however this will require being very aggressive from the beginning of the fight and Joshua has never distinguished himself as someone with a lot of stamina, so this is a strategy that he will not be able to employ for long.

It will be extremely hard to KO Usyk, if not even impossible. I cant even remember a fight when Usyk was knocked down or dazed, or even had real troubles.

Several years ago Usyk faced Murat Gasiev in world series of boxing finals. Gasies, heavy handed knockout artist wasnt able to do anything against Usyk. Turtle defense and on each Gasiev punch Usyk threw 6-8 his own. Gasiev tried to do a quick KO, but failed. Joshua if heavier and slower. I would say quick KO tactics wont help.

And it is why people have so little faith in Joshua pulling the win against Usyk, if Joshua could use the tools he has at his disposal like his size advantage he could have a chance as he could keep Usyk at a comfortable distance if he could use his jab effectively and then counterpunch Usyk when he tried to get the fight into a closer range, but Joshua cannot do this so it is clear the only viable strategy is to go for an early KO, and even that strategy as you say is almost impossible to use against Usyk as well.

[Botnake]

This is going to be difficult because it is likely Usyk is aware of what happened between Ruiz and Joshua and he is not going to make the same mistake that cost Ruiz such a clear defeat against Joshua, If Joshua wants to win he will need to go for a quick KO because he simply does not have the technique of Usyk and he will lose if the fight gets to the judges, however this will require being very aggressive from the beginning of the fight and Joshua has never distinguished himself as someone with a lot of stamina, so this is a strategy that he will not be able to employ for long.

It will be extremely hard to KO Usyk, if not even impossible. I cant even remember a fight when Usyk was knocked down or dazed, or even had real troubles.

Several years ago Usyk faced Murat Gasiev in world series of boxing finals. Gasies, heavy handed knockout artist wasnt able to do anything against Usyk. Turtle defense and on each Gasiev punch Usyk threw 6-8 his own. Gasiev tried to do a quick KO, but failed. Joshua if heavier and slower. I would say quick KO tactics wont help.

And it is why people have so little faith in Joshua pulling the win against Usyk, if Joshua could use the tools he has at his disposal like his size advantage he could have a chance as he could keep Usyk at a comfortable distance if he could use his jab effectively and then counterpunch Usyk when he tried to get the fight into a closer range, but Joshua cannot do this so it is clear the only viable strategy is to go for an early KO, and even that strategy as you say is almost impossible to use against Usyk as well.

I don't know exactly why he's struggling to use his own advantage when he has the reach and height advantage compared to Usyk and he's much more experienced and a good KO ratio but it's still not enough to defeat Usyk. It was reported that he's changed his coach and I didn't catch-up anymore who's the real one because when I search him up, there's so many names that are surfacing.

[btc_angela]

This is going to be difficult because it is likely Usyk is aware of what happened between Ruiz and Joshua and he is not going to make the same mistake that cost Ruiz such a clear defeat against Joshua, If Joshua wants to win he will need to go for a quick KO because he simply does not have the technique of Usyk and he will lose if the fight gets to the judges, however this will require being very aggressive from the beginning of the fight and Joshua has never distinguished himself as someone with a lot of stamina, so this is a strategy that he will not be able to employ for long.

It will be extremely hard to KO Usyk, if not even impossible. I cant even remember a fight when Usyk was knocked down or dazed, or even had real troubles.

Several years ago Usyk faced Murat Gasiev in world series of boxing finals. Gasies, heavy handed knockout artist wasnt able to do anything against Usyk. Turtle defense and on each Gasiev punch Usyk threw 6-8 his own. Gasiev tried to do a quick KO, but failed. Joshua if heavier and slower. I would say quick KO tactics wont help.

And it is why people have so little faith in Joshua pulling the win against Usyk, if Joshua could use the tools he has at his disposal like his size advantage he could have a chance as he could keep Usyk at a comfortable distance if he could use his jab effectively and then counterpunch Usyk when he tried to get the fight into a closer range, but Joshua cannot do this so it is clear the only viable strategy is to go for an early KO, and even that strategy as you say is almost impossible to use against Usyk as well.

I don't know exactly why he's struggling to use his own advantage when he has the reach and height advantage compared to Usyk and he's much more experienced and a good KO ratio but it's still not enough to defeat Usyk. It was reported that he's changed his coach and I didn't catch-up anymore who's the real one because when I search him up, there's so many names that are surfacing.

Robert Garcia is now his new coach, it was confirmed already and he has been mentioned in the discussion. He failed to used his advantage in the first fight because he was just there thinking of scoring a knock out. And when it didn't present itself, then no plan B and Usyk is just hitting him and uses his technical skills to avoid Joshua's power punches. So Garcia says that he will uses Joshua's reach and height advantage in rematch and thinks it will be enough for him to win the fight.