[ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread)

[TimeTeller]

No doubt for me too, but Usyk vs Fury, I think Fury will win the match.

Fury is a master manipulator in the ring, his skill level is on another level and his jaw is unbreakable. No one could survive the punches Wilder landed and yet Fury survived all of his punches which is unbelievable and against Usyk it would be epic if he able to win the rematch. If Fury faces Joshua, he will school him  .

I wouldn't say that his jaw is unbreakable, Wilder already break that chin, what he has is a good recuperating power from those punches that knock him down. Maybe he has a strong neck, absorbs that punch, goes down and then recover in less than 10 seconds. But yes, we all know that Joshua will be no match for Fury's technical boxing skills and power in both hands.

Everyone is waiting for this Joshua vs Usyk re-match as whoever wins will more likely face Fury.
For the betting odds, definitely, bookies will favor Fury when that happens.
So don't know if there will be change in results with this Joshua-Usyk II.
Can Joshua alter the results this time or not, and accept the fact?

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[Yaunfitda]

There are reports circulating around that Joshua is shopping for a new coach as he has visited a lot of hype profile gyms in the States and reported that he did talk to many great coaches with the likes of Eddy Reynoso (Canelo's trainer) and then Robert Garcia's gym, Virgil Hunter, And Ronnie Shields. And it seems that the split with his long time trainer Rob McCracken is inevitable.

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-explains-current-training-situation-interested-expanding-team--161522

[TravelMug]

There are reports circulating around that Joshua is shopping for a new coach as he has visited a lot of hype profile gyms in the States and reported that he did talk to many great coaches with the likes of Eddy Reynoso (Canelo's trainer) and then Robert Garcia's gym, Virgil Hunter, And Ronnie Shields. And it seems that the split with his long time trainer Rob McCracken is inevitable.

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-explains-current-training-situation-interested-expanding-team--161522

That's a lot of quality trainers that he has visited, not sure though if Reynoso will be a good fit since he doesn't speak English very well.

I would go with Virgil and Ronnie here, two great boxers that will be a perfect match for Joshua. Virgil trained Andre Ward. And Ronnie being a ex-boxer in the 80's and been training a lot of great boxers. If I'm not mistaken, he used to have the Charlo brothers and these two are world champions.

[Kemarit]

There are reports circulating around that Joshua is shopping for a new coach as he has visited a lot of hype profile gyms in the States and reported that he did talk to many great coaches with the likes of Eddy Reynoso (Canelo's trainer) and then Robert Garcia's gym, Virgil Hunter, And Ronnie Shields. And it seems that the split with his long time trainer Rob McCracken is inevitable.

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-explains-current-training-situation-interested-expanding-team--161522

That's a lot of quality trainers that he has visited, not sure though if Reynoso will be a good fit since he doesn't speak English very well.

I would go with Virgil and Ronnie here, two great boxers that will be a perfect match for Joshua. Virgil trained Andre Ward. And Ronnie being a ex-boxer in the 80's and been training a lot of great boxers. If I'm not mistaken, he used to have the Charlo brothers and these two are world champions.

Not really sure if "you can teach old dog a new trick here".

In any case, it might be good for Joshua will have a new trainer, fresh breathe, new air in a gym, with new trainer that can help him improved his style specially against a technical boxer like Usyk who is also light on his fight and moves a lot. Let's see who's Joshua's choices here, probably boils down to Virgil and Ronnie.

[Fundamentals Of]

There are reports circulating around that Joshua is shopping for a new coach as he has visited a lot of hype profile gyms in the States and reported that he did talk to many great coaches with the likes of Eddy Reynoso (Canelo's trainer) and then Robert Garcia's gym, Virgil Hunter, And Ronnie Shields. And it seems that the split with his long time trainer Rob McCracken is inevitable.

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-explains-current-training-situation-interested-expanding-team--161522

That's a lot of quality trainers that he has visited, not sure though if Reynoso will be a good fit since he doesn't speak English very well.

I would go with Virgil and Ronnie here, two great boxers that will be a perfect match for Joshua. Virgil trained Andre Ward. And Ronnie being a ex-boxer in the 80's and been training a lot of great boxers. If I'm not mistaken, he used to have the Charlo brothers and these two are world champions.

Not really sure if "you can teach old dog a new trick here".

In any case, it might be good for Joshua will have a new trainer, fresh breathe, new air in a gym, with new trainer that can help him improved his style specially against a technical boxer like Usyk who is also light on his fight and moves a lot. Let's see who's Joshua's choices here, probably boils down to Virgil and Ronnie.

I agree that it is hard to teach an old dog a new trick. This is going to be Joshua's challenge. But he has to adjust. He has to do something. It is hard, even impossible, to bend a full grown tree but he really needs to try. This is largely on Joshua actually. But the change of coach will certainly be of help. It indeed freshens up things. There will be new perspectives, new approaches, new strategies, etc and hopefully as a result a new kind of fighter.

If Joshua will still be defeated here, he'll probably be facing the beginning of the end of his career.

[Dave1]

^ Yep, it will be totally on Joshua's shoulder to tweak his training and of course his mind that he can win and beat Usyk at his best performance.

So it might be a good risk on his side to switch to state side trainer, maybe they can show him drills and lessons and of course new fighting techniques that can harness his strengths so that he can beat Usyk in the rematch. Those trainers mentioned are world class, so he can't go wrong with anyone in the list.

[Rufsilf]

People are losing faith in him because things have not been great for Joshua in the last fights, he lost against Ruiz which was one of the biggest upsets in the history of boxing and he did not looked good at all during the fight, it is true he won the rematch but he did not won by destroying Ruiz or anything like that, so while the win was deserved no one was impressed by it, and now he was completely dominated by Usyk, so people are not confident at all he can win the rematch against Usyk.

Sure. Even if we assume that Joshua will be lucky and will be able to defeat Usyk (in super heavyweights there is always a chance for an unexpected knockout), this will not change the fact that in the next match against Fury he will be an obvious underdog and such a fight is unlikely to cause a lot of excitement.

Indeed Joshua have lost his face in the crowd during his fight with Ruiz and also against Usyk in their last match. No one believes in him anymore that he'll win against Usyk this time except his team ofcourse. And even if Joshua will fortunately win this time, he'll eventually lose against Tyson Fury and will definitely teach him.

I kinda excited to watch Usyk against Fury tho, these two fighters is much more entertaining to watch.

[Natalim]

People are losing faith in him because things have not been great for Joshua in the last fights, he lost against Ruiz which was one of the biggest upsets in the history of boxing and he did not looked good at all during the fight, it is true he won the rematch but he did not won by destroying Ruiz or anything like that, so while the win was deserved no one was impressed by it, and now he was completely dominated by Usyk, so people are not confident at all he can win the rematch against Usyk.

Sure. Even if we assume that Joshua will be lucky and will be able to defeat Usyk (in super heavyweights there is always a chance for an unexpected knockout), this will not change the fact that in the next match against Fury he will be an obvious underdog and such a fight is unlikely to cause a lot of excitement.

Indeed Joshua have lost his face in the crowd during his fight with Ruiz and also against Usyk in their last match.

He bounce back against Ruiz by beating Ruiz in the rematch, and now he will face Usyk again in a rematch, so let's see if he can do the same.
AJ changed his coach as he is looking to be better in the rematch, and that's another thing to watch out as he is serious, and I think he has a chance here but no chance for Fury.

No one believes in him anymore that he'll win against Usyk this time except his team ofcourse. And even if Joshua will fortunately win this time, he'll eventually lose against Tyson Fury and will definitely teach him.

I kinda excited to watch Usyk against Fury tho, these two fighters is much more entertaining to watch.

I do, I still believe that he will win against Usyk, he was the bigger fighter (though not quick enough) and he can impose his length if he'll learn a new technique under the new coach.

[KTChampions]

Sure. Even if we assume that Joshua will be lucky and will be able to defeat Usyk (in super heavyweights there is always a chance for an unexpected knockout), this will not change the fact that in the next match against Fury he will be an obvious underdog and such a fight is unlikely to cause a lot of excitement.

Indeed Joshua have lost his face in the crowd during his fight with Ruiz and also against Usyk in their last match. No one believes in him anymore that he'll win against Usyk this time except his team ofcourse. And even if Joshua will fortunately win this time, he'll eventually lose against Tyson Fury and will definitely teach him.

I kinda excited to watch Usyk against Fury tho, these two fighters is much more entertaining to watch.

I would have watched the fights Wilder - Joshua and Wilder - Usyk with great pleasure and interest. At the moment, the match between Fury and Wilder is impossible, and Fury's fights against Joshua or Usyk look too unbalanced. Unfortunately, now we have to wait for at least a couple of not very interesting fights before we see something epic again. Taking into account the peculiarities of boxing, the wait will be about a year, no less.

[7788bitcoin]

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He bounce back against Ruiz by beating Ruiz in the rematch, and now he will face Usyk again in a rematch, so let's see if he can do the same.
AJ changed his coach as he is looking to be better in the rematch, and that's another thing to watch out as he is serious, and I think he has a chance here but no chance for Fury.

Do you think Antony Joshua made a big change in his rematch in the Ruiz fight, i really do not think he made a huge change in his approach other than knowing his limitations in the first fight and the fight went the decision but against Usyk i am not sure he is able to make any changes that could defeat Usyk.

I do, I still believe that he will win against Usyk, he was the bigger fighter (though not quick enough) and he can impose his length if he'll learn a new technique under the new coach.

As mentioned is Joshua is capable of learning a new technique and adapt to the situation in a fight, Joshua showed he is not capable of adapting new techniques during the fight and we need to think that Usyk will not change and adapt to the fight for Joshua to have an advantage.

[DarkDays]

No doubt for me too, but Usyk vs Fury, I think Fury will win the match.

Fury is a master manipulator in the ring, his skill level is on another level and his jaw is unbreakable. No one could survive the punches Wilder landed and yet Fury survived all of his punches which is unbelievable and against Usyk it would be epic if he able to win the rematch. If Fury faces Joshua, he will school him  .

I wouldn't say that his jaw is unbreakable, Wilder already break that chin, what he has is a good recuperating power from those punches that knock him down. Maybe he has a strong neck, absorbs that punch, goes down and then recover in less than 10 seconds. But yes, we all know that Joshua will be no match for Fury's technical boxing skills and power in both hands.

Everyone is waiting for this Joshua vs Usyk re-match as whoever wins will more likely face Fury.

For sure, and this in my opinion will be a matter of more importance if Usyk wins while destroying all that Joshua has built so far.

So don't know if there will be change in results with this Joshua-Usyk II.
Can Joshua alter the results this time or not, and accept the fact?

Having seen the performance of Usyk against Joshua, it looked pretty convincing to me who should be up next against Fury.

Can Joshua come back this time round? I doubt it, he seems to have had a tough time in that ring - we'll see, but  still I don't have high hopes for him

[smyslov]

Having seen the performance of Usyk against Joshua, it looked pretty convincing to me who should be up next against Fury.

Can Joshua come back this time round? I doubt it, he seems to have had a tough time in that ring - we'll see, but  still I don't have high hopes for him

I'm one of those who think that Ruiz can beat Joshua again in their second bout but Joshua masterfully turns things around by becoming very technical, I'm sure by now he already understands why he lose the fight against Usyk and will make all the necessary adjustments, even Ruiz Jr. was surprised why Joshua did not impose and do the things that he did against him to Usyk.
I believe Joshua can still come back and beat Usyk, he really needs this win against Usyk.

[Yaunfitda]

Having seen the performance of Usyk against Joshua, it looked pretty convincing to me who should be up next against Fury.

Can Joshua come back this time round? I doubt it, he seems to have had a tough time in that ring - we'll see, but  still I don't have high hopes for him

I'm one of those who think that Ruiz can beat Joshua again in their second bout but Joshua masterfully turns things around by becoming very technical, I'm sure by now he already understands why he lose the fight against Usyk and will make all the necessary adjustments, even Ruiz Jr. was surprised why Joshua did not impose and do the things that he did against him to Usyk.
I believe Joshua can still come back and beat Usyk, he really needs this win against Usyk.

Definitely, we can say that he is good at his rematch because he knows how to adjust.

But this time though, as I have posted, if he still thinks the can beat Usyk, then he need to change his style that's why he was spotted in the US looking for a possible new trainer in the rematch. Someone that can see outside what needs to be done in order to get back his confidence and beat a very technical fighter in Usyk. So we will see, this is a must win for him, otherwise he will be at the same boat with Wilder.

[yazher]

I'm one of those who think that Ruiz can beat Joshua again in their second bout but Joshua masterfully turns things around by becoming very technical, I'm sure by now he already understands why he lose the fight against Usyk and will make all the necessary adjustments, even Ruiz Jr. was surprised why Joshua did not impose and do the things that he did against him to Usyk.
I believe Joshua can still come back and beat Usyk, he really needs this win against Usyk.

I wanted to see the second fight because we already know how can Joshua fix things up in his second match after he lost. Maybe he can also execute some good strategies and finally find a way to beat Usyk. If not, then that's it for him except the fight will end up with the official's decisions in favor of Joshua. This means they will have a high chance to have a trilogy that will gonna be exciting than the last 1st and 2nd matches.

[Russlenat]

I'm one of those who think that Ruiz can beat Joshua again in their second bout but Joshua masterfully turns things around by becoming very technical, I'm sure by now he already understands why he lose the fight against Usyk and will make all the necessary adjustments, even Ruiz Jr. was surprised why Joshua did not impose and do the things that he did against him to Usyk.
I believe Joshua can still come back and beat Usyk, he really needs this win against Usyk.

I wanted to see the second fight because we already know how can Joshua fix things up in his second match after he lost. Maybe he can also execute some good strategies and finally find a way to beat Usyk. If not, then that's it for him except the fight will end up with the official's decisions in favor of Joshua. This means they will have a high chance to have a trilogy that will gonna be exciting than the last 1st and 2nd matches.

That depends on the contract they will sign, but since Usyk is now the champion, he can also demand a trilogy in case he loses, that way he would be able to secure money for the third fight which I'm sure they'll both make a decent amount.

Fury will have to wait and hope that Usyk will win so he will not have to wait longer. josh

[TopTort777]

Indeed Joshua have lost his face in the crowd during his fight with Ruiz and also against Usyk in their last match. No one believes in him anymore that he'll win against Usyk this time except his team ofcourse. And even if Joshua will fortunately win this time, he'll eventually lose against Tyson Fury and will definitely teach him.

I kinda excited to watch Usyk against Fury tho, these two fighters is much more entertaining to watch.

Joshua has lots his face only when he was knockout by snickers boy, but then he got it back, or turned into neutral.
In his fight against Usyk, even though he lost, he did not look lost, confused or pathetic. It was a fight where one fighter was better than other. It wasnt a beating or dominance.

In their first fight, Usyk was a total underdog (odds on Joshua was about 1.4-1.5, on Usyk 3+). In the second fight, Joshua wont be an underdog this time. I think it will be around 1.6+ on Usyk and something above 2 on Joshua.

[South Park]

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He needs a major improvement in the rematch if he wants to regain his popularity.
In his fight against Ruiz, it was different as the fans believe that Ruiz was just lucky to hit AJ with a solid punch and that KO happened.
But here, against Usyk, it was Usyk who is the better fighter and he was dominating AJ in the fight with his good footwork and head movement.

Andy Ruiz had really fast hands and Anthony Joshua did not anticipate that coming and one thing i understood about the skill level of Anthony Joshua is that he cannot improvise during the fight and so is the reason he lost against Andy Ruiz and that is the reason he was defeated against Usyk and what changes he will bring to the rematch is to be seen.

It is true that Joshua cannot improvise and if he has to go out of the plan he had for the fight then he is in trouble, however unlike with what happened with Ruiz in which Joshua was surprised by the speed of hands Ruiz and a few lucky punches he connected there was nothing like that on his fight with Usyk, Usyk was simply the best fighter and it showed, also if Usyk had some more time during the last round I am sure he would have KO Joshua, so it is going to be way more difficult for Joshua to recover his tittles this time around.

[Jating]

Indeed Joshua have lost his face in the crowd during his fight with Ruiz and also against Usyk in their last match. No one believes in him anymore that he'll win against Usyk this time except his team ofcourse. And even if Joshua will fortunately win this time, he'll eventually lose against Tyson Fury and will definitely teach him.

I kinda excited to watch Usyk against Fury tho, these two fighters is much more entertaining to watch.

Joshua has lots his face only when he was knockout by snickers boy, but then he got it back, or turned into neutral.
In his fight against Usyk, even though he lost, he did not look lost, confused or pathetic. It was a fight where one fighter was better than other. It wasnt a beating or dominance.

In their first fight, Usyk was a total underdog (odds on Joshua was about 1.4-1.5, on Usyk 3+). In the second fight, Joshua wont be an underdog this time. I think it will be around 1.6+ on Usyk and something above 2 on Joshua.

I think on the contrary though, Joshua might still be the favourite to win his rematch against Usyk? No?

Because he has a history of avenging his defeat just like in the Andy Ruiz fight. So maybe sports bookies are going to put him as a favourite but it's going to be close.

Not sure who or where he is going to train though, or pick up his new coach to prepare him in this rematch.

[mirakal]

Indeed Joshua have lost his face in the crowd during his fight with Ruiz and also against Usyk in their last match. No one believes in him anymore that he'll win against Usyk this time except his team ofcourse. And even if Joshua will fortunately win this time, he'll eventually lose against Tyson Fury and will definitely teach him.

I kinda excited to watch Usyk against Fury tho, these two fighters is much more entertaining to watch.

Joshua has lots his face only when he was knockout by snickers boy, but then he got it back, or turned into neutral.
In his fight against Usyk, even though he lost, he did not look lost, confused or pathetic. It was a fight where one fighter was better than other. It wasnt a beating or dominance.

In their first fight, Usyk was a total underdog (odds on Joshua was about 1.4-1.5, on Usyk 3+). In the second fight, Joshua wont be an underdog this time. I think it will be around 1.6+ on Usyk and something above 2 on Joshua.

I think on the contrary though, Joshua might still be the favourite to win his rematch against Usyk? No?

Because he has a history of avenging his defeat just like in the Andy Ruiz fight. So maybe sports bookies are going to put him as a favourite but it's going to be close.

Not sure who or where he is going to train though, or pick up his new coach to prepare him in this rematch.

According to this site https://bettinginsiderjournal.com/boxing/usyk-vs-joshua-2-odds/

The opening betting odds for the rematch are as follows.

Usyk vs Joshua 2 Odds
Boxer   Odds
Oleksandr Usyk   -225
Anthony Joshua   +172

It's Usyk who is the favorite, and I believe this is just right as Joshua vs Ruiz fight is way different, this one, we saw a serious beatdown on Joshua and he was dominated by Usyk in most of the rounds.

[TopTort777]

I think on the contrary though, Joshua might still be the favourite to win his rematch against Usyk? No?

Because he has a history of avenging his defeat just like in the Andy Ruiz fight. So maybe sports bookies are going to put him as a favourite but it's going to be close.

Not sure who or where he is going to train though, or pick up his new coach to prepare him in this rematch.

Favourite in rematch after a loss? Never seen such things in boxing. In not only it was an early stoppage due to a illegal strike or cut. I think that maximum what Joshua could expect is close odds. Usyk has won not in a dominant fight, but his victory was convincing.

Changing coaches not always help. Fury vs Wilder 3 is a great example. Wilder got new coach, yet still lost; by KO. Joshua must change completely. Maybe change in diet would be a good start. If Usyk is fast, then loosing some muscles and being quicker could be a solution. And most important, more practice against southpaw.