Olympics 2020/2021 : Discussion & Predictions

[bitgov]

Well, true sportsmanship was felt by the entire world on the javelin throw event where the gold medal got shared between Barshim of Qatar with Tamperi of Venezuela. This made the entire world understand true sportsmanship and its value. It made people cry out of it. Same as that what's been done here is entirely opposite and such players needs to be give life time ban which needs to be an warning to rest of the players.

LOL.. why repeat the same set of lies again and again?

The gold was shared, because both the athletes were tired and decided against the "jump-off". Al Jazeera and the other Qatari-funded media immediately went ballistic, claiming that the gold given to the Italian athlete was "donated" by the Qatari. The truth is this - Mutaz Essa Barshim and Gianmarco Tamberi had cleared 2.37m, but they failed to clear 2.39m on three occasions. And given how tired they were, I would say either of them had 0% chances of clearing 2.39m, even if a hundred attempts were given. So instead of doing that, they decided to share the gold medal.

The truth doesn't always suit the narrative.

Quite honestly I do not really know why the media is always trying to exaggerate stories when the stories themselves are very endearing, this is a case of two athletes that were so even that even after the whole competition has happened were still tied, to me that speaks a lot about the preparation of both athletes and that is a good enough story so if they decided to not continue with the competition because they were just too tired to me that's fine, there is no reason to adorn the story anymore.  

After all, each of them had three attempts, and none of them succeeded. Probably the next ones would also fail. They had the right to make such a decision, and they did so. They both got the gold they deserved.
When it comes to negative statements in the media, in my opinion, this type of controversy is only done to attract more people. In other words - the greater the controversy, the greater the viewership.

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[KTChampions]

But unfortunately, the country received zero benefit from hosting the Games. The spectators were not allowed, and that meant that there was no boost for the tourism sector as well.

Not zero at all. However, it's expected that there should be more of it if the pandemic didn't hit the world.

Unfortunate timing after several years of waiting to become a country host.

Even With No Tourists or Fans, Japan Is Already Seeing Economic Benefits From the $15.4 Billion Tokyo Olympics

Amid the pandemic, the country affords to spend that amount without harming their other financial aspects.

I think in the modern world the amount of $ 14.5 billion is simply ridiculous on the scale of almost any country, and as you know Japan is one of the most highly developed countries. I doubt that this profit outweighed the risk of spreading covid that the country received during the Olympics.

[tippytoes]

But unfortunately, the country received zero benefit from hosting the Games. The spectators were not allowed, and that meant that there was no boost for the tourism sector as well.

Not zero at all. However, it's expected that there should be more of it if the pandemic didn't hit the world.

Unfortunate timing after several years of waiting to become a country host.

Even With No Tourists or Fans, Japan Is Already Seeing Economic Benefits From the $15.4 Billion Tokyo Olympics

Amid the pandemic, the country affords to spend that amount without harming their other financial aspects.

I think in the modern world the amount of $ 14.5 billion is simply ridiculous on the scale of almost any country, and as you know Japan is one of the most highly developed countries. I doubt that this profit outweighed the risk of spreading covid that the country received during the Olympics.

But their effort of completing this event is highly commendable despite of the odds they encountered due to the pandemic. Just be glad that they made it and offered the athletes and the community that we all deserved during these challenging times. Yes, there were so many controversies but they stood their ground and completed this event during these turmoil times.

As discussed in the above article, construction industry, specifically benefited from this event. The National stadium and other venues built costing them billions of dollars can still be used for other future events. So for me, that's not a loss at all. They can easily recover the amount used in the next few years of using those venues.

[Sithara007]

I think in the modern world the amount of $ 14.5 billion is simply ridiculous on the scale of almost any country, and as you know Japan is one of the most highly developed countries. I doubt that this profit outweighed the risk of spreading covid that the country received during the Olympics.

Such huge expenses for conducting the Olympics would mean that in the future only the super-rich nations would be able to bid for hosting. One perfect example is Qatar hosting the FIFA World Cup next year. At least in case of Japan, we know that the money was not stolen and was spent on building the infrastructure. That is not always the case. Remember Sochi 2014? It cost the Russian tax payer around $51 billion and a large part of that money was stolen by the oligarchs. The Fisht stadium cost $665 million, and it was 14 times more than the original estimate.

[joker_josue]

I think in the modern world the amount of $ 14.5 billion is simply ridiculous on the scale of almost any country, and as you know Japan is one of the most highly developed countries. I doubt that this profit outweighed the risk of spreading covid that the country received during the Olympics.

Such huge expenses for conducting the Olympics would mean that in the future only the super-rich nations would be able to bid for hosting.

The Olympic Games, apart from 1 or 2 cases, were always held in very rich countries. It is the sporting competition that has the highest cost of organization in the world. In addition to having to be financed almost entirely by the organizing country and eventually the sponsorships you get. The IOC does not help with financing the games.

[bryant.coleman]

The Olympic Games, apart from 1 or 2 cases, were always held in very rich countries. It is the sporting competition that has the highest cost of organization in the world. In addition to having to be financed almost entirely by the organizing country and eventually the sponsorships you get. The IOC does not help with financing the games.

Times have changed. In the past, developing nations have successfully hosted the Olympic games. Examples are Mexico City in 1968 and Rio de Janeiro in 2016. But now it has become prohibitively expensive to host such tournaments. Also, in the past the population was more supportive and hosting Olympics was seen essential to national pride. But this attitude has also changed. Those who support spending money for sports are mostly middle-aged and elderly, while the youth rarely support such tournaments. 

[Stalker22]

My research yields mixed results when I try to find out which Olympics were the most expensive so far.
Some sources state that it was the Sochi Winter Olympics in 2014, which cost approximately US $ 55 billion, while other sources mention the Rio de Janeiro Summer Games in 2016, which cost approximately US $ 11.1 billion.
Anybody know a reliable source with the total cost of hosting Olympic games by country?

[Vishnu.Reang]

My research yields mixed results when I try to find out which Olympics were the most expensive so far.
Some sources state that it was the Sochi Winter Olympics in 2014, which cost approximately US $ 55 billion, while other sources mention the Rio de Janeiro Summer Games in 2016, which cost approximately US $ 11.1 billion.
Anybody know a reliable source with the total cost of hosting Olympic games by country?

You can check the table given in Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_the_Olympic_Games

It looks as of you are right about the Sochi (winter) Olympics. It was the most expensive tournament ever in the history of Olympics and cost almost $51 billion to the Russian tax payers. But the amount that was actually spent on infrastructure was lower than this and most of the remaining amount was stolen by the politicians. In the second place we have the 2008 Beijing Olympics, which had a price tag of $44 billion. These sort of expenses put a big hole in the budgets of many countries. And in the future, I believe that less number of countries will bid for hosting such tournaments.

[KTChampions]

I think in the modern world the amount of $ 14.5 billion is simply ridiculous on the scale of almost any country, and as you know Japan is one of the most highly developed countries. I doubt that this profit outweighed the risk of spreading covid that the country received during the Olympics.

But their effort of completing this event is highly commendable despite of the odds they encountered due to the pandemic. Just be glad that they made it and offered the athletes and the community that we all deserved during these challenging times. Yes, there were so many controversies but they stood their ground and completed this event during these turmoil times.

As discussed in the above article, construction industry, specifically benefited from this event. The National stadium and other venues built costing them billions of dollars can still be used for other future events. So for me, that's not a loss at all. They can easily recover the amount used in the next few years of using those venues.

Undoubtedly, Japan's merit is great (at least in that they helped to ensure the continuity of the Olympiads, although the idea of abandoning the 2020 Olympics had great support), but my point of view was that it was wrong to talk about such a small amount as an important factor.

Such huge expenses for conducting the Olympics would mean that in the future only the super-rich nations would be able to bid for hosting. One perfect example is Qatar hosting the FIFA World Cup next year. At least in case of Japan, we know that the money was not stolen and was spent on building the infrastructure. That is not always the case. Remember Sochi 2014? It cost the Russian tax payer around $51 billion and a large part of that money was stolen by the oligarchs. The Fisht stadium cost $665 million, and it was 14 times more than the original estimate.

I remember very well the Olympics in Sochi (I myself am from Russia) and I saw all this chaos that was happening here with my own eyes. For the sake of fairness, it should be noted that any winter Olympiad is unprofitable, therefore, such an event is really only available for rich countries, however, this does not forgive the theft and madness that is happening in the petrocracies during such events.

[Sithara007]

I remember very well the Olympics in Sochi (I myself am from Russia) and I saw all this chaos that was happening here with my own eyes. For the sake of fairness, it should be noted that any winter Olympiad is unprofitable, therefore, such an event is really only available for rich countries, however, this does not forgive the theft and madness that is happening in the petrocracies during such events.

I know that winter Olympics requires huge spending. But even then, the $51 billion price tag was nothing short of shocking. It is almost equal to the annual government healthcare spending. I personally believe that this amount could have been better used elsewhere. Anyway, 2014 was when the crude oil prices were at ATH levels, and Putin probably wanted to show off his wealth. The prices crashed later that year and that immediately pushed a lot of Russians in to poverty. This amount could have come handy then.

[joker_josue]

I know that winter Olympics requires huge spending. But even then, the $51 billion price tag was nothing short of shocking. It is almost equal to the annual government healthcare spending. I personally believe that this amount could have been better used elsewhere. Anyway, 2014 was when the crude oil prices were at ATH levels, and Putin probably wanted to show off his wealth. The prices crashed later that year and that immediately pushed a lot of Russians in to poverty. This amount could have come handy then.

That's why more and more people have been talking about whether the current model of Olympic games should be changed or not.

The IOC has already started to be less demanding on the characteristics of Olympic cities and other facilities. Before, almost everything had to be new, now it is allowed to use existing spaces or even places outside the usual. That's why Paris2024 will allegedly have street events outside the usual venues. This will certainly bring down the costs of Olympic games.

[Vishnu.Reang]

That's why more and more people have been talking about whether the current model of Olympic games should be changed or not.

The IOC has already started to be less demanding on the characteristics of Olympic cities and other facilities. Before, almost everything had to be new, now it is allowed to use existing spaces or even places outside the usual. That's why Paris2024 will allegedly have street events outside the usual venues. This will certainly bring down the costs of Olympic games.

Why all the facilities needs to be newly constructed? It will put extra burden on the host nations. If the particular city is lacking the facility, then I can understand. But it makes no sense to construct new stadiums, if existing ones can be used for the same purpose. And the cost of building such facilities go up with each passing year. Labour is now extremely expensive, and have gone up by 2-3 times during the last two decades. The same goes for steel, cement and other materials that are used for construction.

[newwest]

The top 3 countries US, China and Japan has that flair that once they are in finals so they tend to make it to the first spot. Looking at the tables many counties you will find have majority of silver and bronze but not equivalent number of golds. But those 3 counties almost have same gold or more infact than its bronze or silver medal which is a very good thing and they have the best of players in those categories where they ended up getting gold.

[joker_josue]

The rules change in 2018, thus facilitating the process. Either way, the list of requirements is long.


See the conditions established for the games in 2024:
https://stillmed.olympic.org/media/Document%20Library/OlympicOrg/Documents/Host-City-Elections/XXXIII-Olympiad-2024/Host-City-Contract-2024-Operational-Requirements.pdf

[KTChampions]

I remember very well the Olympics in Sochi (I myself am from Russia) and I saw all this chaos that was happening here with my own eyes. For the sake of fairness, it should be noted that any winter Olympiad is unprofitable, therefore, such an event is really only available for rich countries, however, this does not forgive the theft and madness that is happening in the petrocracies during such events.

I know that winter Olympics requires huge spending. But even then, the $51 billion price tag was nothing short of shocking. It is almost equal to the annual government healthcare spending. I personally believe that this amount could have been better used elsewhere. Anyway, 2014 was when the crude oil prices were at ATH levels, and Putin probably wanted to show off his wealth. The prices crashed later that year and that immediately pushed a lot of Russians in to poverty. This amount could have come handy then.

Trust me, we (ordinary people) in Russia do not get anything from the rise in oil prices. We have a rule: if oil prices have increased, then the price of gasoline will rise, if oil prices have gone down, then the price of gasoline will rise. We pay for gasoline almost as much as US citizens, but our average salaries are ten times lower.
By the way, during that Olympiad in Russia, a law was passed simplifying the seizure of land from the population, and it still works. So we can say that that Olympiad turned out to be a disaster for a huge number of people.

[bryant.coleman]

By the way, during that Olympiad in Russia, a law was passed simplifying the seizure of land from the population, and it still works. So we can say that that Olympiad turned out to be a disaster for a huge number of people.

That is really tragic. I heard that recently the property prices in Sochi and surrounding regions within Krasnodar territory went to the roof. Unfortunately, if what you are saying is true, then very few of the original owners benefited from it. It is sad that an event like Olympics was used to give legitimacy to the seizure of land from the original owners. The International Olympic Committee should also look in to it. If the regime is using Olympics for such purpose, then in the end it tarnishes the reputation of the games.

[joker_josue]

The International Olympic Committee should also look in to it. If the regime is using Olympics for such purpose, then in the end it tarnishes the reputation of the games.

Theoretically, the IOC is concerned with this, and the choice of the host city for the games usually requires that the country follow certain social standards. The problem is what happens after the games are over, countries take measures contrary to these standards.

[Sithara007]

Theoretically, the IOC is concerned with this, and the choice of the host city for the games usually requires that the country follow certain social standards. The problem is what happens after the games are over, countries take measures contrary to these standards.

Ideally such tournaments should not be hosted in countries that don't value human rights. But the sports bodies such as IOC and FIFA have a very poor record on this. Anyone with money is welcome, irrespective of the fact whether they respect the personal liberty or not. The biggest sham will be next year's world cup in Qatar. A country that is considered as the main sponsor of Islamic extremism around the world is allowed to host such an event, despite the fact that they haven't compensated thousands of workers, who died during the construction of the stadiums.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I remember very well the Olympics in Sochi (I myself am from Russia) and I saw all this chaos that was happening here with my own eyes. For the sake of fairness, it should be noted that any winter Olympiad is unprofitable, therefore, such an event is really only available for rich countries, however, this does not forgive the theft and madness that is happening in the petrocracies during such events.

I know that winter Olympics requires huge spending. But even then, the $51 billion price tag was nothing short of shocking. It is almost equal to the annual government healthcare spending. I personally believe that this amount could have been better used elsewhere. Anyway, 2014 was when the crude oil prices were at ATH levels, and Putin probably wanted to show off his wealth. The prices crashed later that year and that immediately pushed a lot of Russians in to poverty. This amount could have come handy then.

Trust me, we (ordinary people) in Russia do not get anything from the rise in oil prices. We have a rule: if oil prices have increased, then the price of gasoline will rise, if oil prices have gone down, then the price of gasoline will rise. We pay for gasoline almost as much as US citizens, but our average salaries are ten times lower.
By the way, during that Olympiad in Russia, a law was passed simplifying the seizure of land from the population, and it still works. So we can say that that Olympiad turned out to be a disaster for a huge number of people.

The situation in Russia is something strong, although it is a country that I really would like to know some day, I know that its system is quite hard, I know that the Russian government is usually quite radical, something like that happens in Venezuela, what happens is that the Knowledge of the Russians is impressive with respect to technology and almost in every area, it is incredible to know that the Olympics have been able to bring such inconveniences, despite the fact that the Country was one of those that won the most gold medals.

[Silberman]

But unfortunately, the country received zero benefit from hosting the Games. The spectators were not allowed, and that meant that there was no boost for the tourism sector as well.

Not zero at all. However, it's expected that there should be more of it if the pandemic didn't hit the world.

Unfortunate timing after several years of waiting to become a country host.

Even With No Tourists or Fans, Japan Is Already Seeing Economic Benefits From the $15.4 Billion Tokyo Olympics

Amid the pandemic, the country affords to spend that amount without harming their other financial aspects.

I'm extremely suspicious of these Olympic Games becoming profitable, it is widely known that Olympic Games costs more money and many instances way more money than the profits that will be produced by the games, so I find hard to believe that with no tourists in the middle of a pandemic these games actually became profitable, I simply do not buy it, which is why they need to find a way to make the games more cheaply as this cannot continue for long.