Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[Jating]

I do think it will hurt Canelo's legacy if he doesn't duck Benavidez this year.

1. They are both in the same division, Benavidez holds the WBC interim belt.
2. Charlo twins are 154 lbs and 160 lbs champion, they are moving up in weight to fight him.
3. Didn't fight Bivol for a rematch.
4. They said Benavidez should fight other PBC fighters and so he did, beat Plant and Demetrius Andrade and beat them.

Obviously, Canelo's legacy is going to be strained for not fighting a prime Benavidez wherein Floyd gave him that chance before.

The problem with Benavidez is he is only a mandatory. He doesn't bring anything beneficial to Canelo. He's like a super high risk with a decent reward that is not so high. I think Canelo just went the Mayweather way. Floyd was old at that time but he demanded a catchweight against a green 23-year-old Canelo.

I thought Benavidez is the WBC interim super middleweight champion when he beat Lemieux in 2023, then defeated Caleb Plant and Andrade to retain that belt. So him and Canelo should really fight as Canelo held the regular WBC belt.

Everybody's praising Benavidez but I also feel something for this guy. I believe he will also start ducking once he becomes the top dog. It's because he canceled his fight with fellow prospect and undefeated David Morrell in favor of an old and inactive Andrade. If Benavidez won, he could've become not just the WBC mandatory but also in the WBA since Morrell holds that right.

It is reported that it was Morrell who didn't want to fight or at least that was Benavidez Sr said that Morrell is not ready and so they they go on and fight Andrade. They still insists though that they are willing to fight him next. But obviously, for a more lucrative fight, they are targeting Canelo and I think most of us here wanted to see that fight. Mexican vs Mexican.

Earlier Canelo said he is facing an American next which means not Mungia. Thought it was either Bud or maybe Jermall. But just lately, he denied Crawford saying he does not want the fans to say he beat a smaller guy who moved up 3 divisions. So I guess it is Jermall against Canelo this Cinco De Mayo. Revenge of the twin will be the theme.

I agree, regardless of who is Canelo facing next, they will have to go up 2-3 weight classes and fight him as his comfort zone of 168 lbs. I'm not sure if intelligent boxing fans are going to fall for the revenge story board. Canelo should have known better to put that kind of promotion.

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[Fredomago]

Ideal yes, but Canelo as we have been saying, is hiding on the reason that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican, so strike it out, Munguia and Benavidez. Charlo though trying to deny for now that he will be the next opponent, so if not him and not Crawford, who will be?

Bivol will have his fight already against Beterbiev, and so he is also out of the equation, and if we look at the champions at 168 lbs, David Morrell is the only one for him. Unless he is willing to fight the number 1 rank in two divisions its, Christian Mbilli. But who the hell is Mbilli? He is not American, not Mexican but a French fighter.

M’billi is an exciting fighter with a high knockout percentage. His style is similar to Munguia. I wouldn’t mind seeing him against Canelo eventually but he needs to build up his résumé a bit more to be considered.

According to Benavidez’ promoter, Canelo has no plans of fighting him this year. Canelo’s contract with PBC will be over after his next two fights so it’s possible he’ll avoid Benavidez entirely. Maybe he is hoping that if he stalls long enough, Benavidez will outgrow the division.

Yes, I do agree his record is good, but it's a question on how they can market him in the US, or what will be the storyline for him to fight Canelo, as fans might think that this is just another John Ryder performance for Canelo.

Right, we all get the clear picture after that announcement of Canelo that Benavidez is not on his time table for at least this year. Benavidez could go to Light HW, but I think he is hell bent and his father to fight Canelo, biggest paycheck and the chance to upset and get all his belt and maybe sort of like passing the torch for him to be the next big thing in boxing.

All going to depend with how Canelo will give him that chance, but we all know that there's no interest from Canelo's camp and they are really avoiding him, maybe if there's really something that may force Canelo more on the money on the line it might change the direction but till this date, there's no plan or no update from Canelo's camp to give Benavidez that chance to meet him inside the ring.

Canelo as the cashcow promoters will follow his desire and if he doesn't want to take the fight then there's nothing the promoter can do to force him. That's how business works and that's the edge from a cashcow like Canelo.

[btc_angela]

^^ I know that's how everything works now, but as you can see if you hear Canelo throughout his career, he will always says that he doesn't back down from any challenges and he wanted to face the best.

Perhaps he learn his lessons from the GGG match, majority here including me thinks that he lost at least the first or even the second fight. And he almost didn't give GGG his rematch but he can't do anything with GGG goes to DAZN. So moving forward it's fight that give him less risk, but then again he encounter Bivol. And with that, a few fights, Ryder, Charlo he won but it's not that fight that fans wanted to see for him. Canelo is now going after the money and not for his legacy.

[Getmon]

^^ I know that's how everything works now, but as you can see if you hear Canelo throughout his career, he will always says that he doesn't back down from any challenges and he wanted to face the best.

Perhaps he learn his lessons from the GGG match, majority here including me thinks that he lost at least the first or even the second fight. And he almost didn't give GGG his rematch but he can't do anything with GGG goes to DAZN. So moving forward it's fight that give him less risk, but then again he encounter Bivol. And with that, a few fights, Ryder, Charlo he won but it's not that fight that fans wanted to see for him. Canelo is now going after the money and not for his legacy.

Canelo had cemented his place among the greats. Maybe this is the explanation he is selecting to battle the safer boxers. I am certain he took some lessons from his previous experiences and boxers like Mayweather. The manner in which Mayweather safeguarded his 0 and picked soft boxers.

Assuming Canelo needs something else for his legacy, I reckon he battles the winner of Beterbiev versus Bivol. That will bring him prestige particularly assuming he wins and becomes undisputed in two weight classes like Crawford and Inoue.

[stadus]

Assuming Canelo needs something else for his legacy, I reckon he battles the winner of Beterbiev versus Bivol. That will bring him prestige particularly assuming he wins and becomes undisputed in two weight classes like Crawford and Inoue.

That's the best thing for him to do to gain more popularity, but that means climbing up again in weight, which he failed against Bivol. If Beterbiev wins here via KO, that means he is too much for Bivol, and I don't know if it's wise for Canelo to challenge the boxer that defeated the boxer who defeated him.

Canelo has never been KO'd in his career as a boxer, and maybe that will be the time that he'll suffer his worst defeat at the hands of Beterbiev, who is a 100% KO artist. I'm not sure he is up for that challenge as his legacy is also at stake big time.

[Fredomago]

^^ I know that's how everything works now, but as you can see if you hear Canelo throughout his career, he will always says that he doesn't back down from any challenges and he wanted to face the best.

Perhaps he learn his lessons from the GGG match, majority here including me thinks that he lost at least the first or even the second fight. And he almost didn't give GGG his rematch but he can't do anything with GGG goes to DAZN. So moving forward it's fight that give him less risk, but then again he encounter Bivol. And with that, a few fights, Ryder, Charlo he won but it's not that fight that fans wanted to see for him. Canelo is now going after the money and not for his legacy.

He's using his popularity to earn more money. As you mentioned, he's no longer that dominant the way he was before. He knew that after that loss against Bivol he's been exposed and the chance of losing is no longer impossible. Now, he's using all the possible excuses just to escape and prevent what fans wanted from him. Benavidez is the best pick and, for sure, fans love to see Alvarez proving his dominance, but it's not what we are seeing and hearing from Canelo's camp, excuses, and they are doing their best not to give Benavidez a chance.

Assuming Canelo needs something else for his legacy, I reckon he battles the winner of Beterbiev versus Bivol. That will bring him prestige particularly assuming he wins and becomes undisputed in two weight classes like Crawford and Inoue.

That's the best thing for him to do to gain more popularity, but that means climbing up again in weight, which he failed against Bivol. If Beterbiev wins here via KO, that means he is too much for Bivol, and I don't know if it's wise for Canelo to challenge the boxer that defeated the boxer who defeated him.

Canelo has never been KO'd in his career as a boxer, and maybe that will be the time that he'll suffer his worst defeat at the hands of Beterbiev, who is a 100% KO artist. I'm not sure he is up for that challenge as his legacy is also at stake big time.

If the outcome turned against him, it might be a worse decision that he take instead of keeping his legacy, by that kind of loss it will bring his name down, though, that's a kind of risk that may give him more popularity as if by chance he beat the champ who beats him from the said division, he will gain more and will be added to his resume of success.

[inthelongrun]

I do think it will hurt Canelo's legacy if he doesn't duck Benavidez this year.

1. They are both in the same division, Benavidez holds the WBC interim belt.
2. Charlo twins are 154 lbs and 160 lbs champion, they are moving up in weight to fight him.
3. Didn't fight Bivol for a rematch.
4. They said Benavidez should fight other PBC fighters and so he did, beat Plant and Demetrius Andrade and beat them.

Obviously, Canelo's legacy is going to be strained for not fighting a prime Benavidez wherein Floyd gave him that chance before.

The problem with Benavidez is he is only a mandatory. He doesn't bring anything beneficial to Canelo. He's like a super high risk with a decent reward that is not so high. I think Canelo just went the Mayweather way. Floyd was old at that time but he demanded a catchweight against a green 23-year-old Canelo.

I thought Benavidez is the WBC interim super middleweight champion when he beat Lemieux in 2023, then defeated Caleb Plant and Andrade to retain that belt. So him and Canelo should really fight as Canelo held the regular WBC belt.

The WBC interim is a garbage belt along with the other interim belts from the other sanctioning bodies including the WBA regular belt. They don't count as real titles. Canelo gets nothing fighting Benavidez.

But Benavidez deserves a title shot because he is the supposed mandatory of the WBC. The only way for Canelo to not get stripped is to fight him but the WBC is very corrupt. Instead, the WBC issued an interim belt which is nonsense because Canelo is not injured and is active.

Everybody's praising Benavidez but I also feel something for this guy. I believe he will also start ducking once he becomes the top dog. It's because he canceled his fight with fellow prospect and undefeated David Morrell in favor of an old and inactive Andrade. If Benavidez won, he could've become not just the WBC mandatory but also in the WBA since Morrell holds that right.

It is reported that it was Morrell who didn't want to fight or at least that was Benavidez Sr said that Morrell is not ready and so they they go on and fight Andrade. They still insists though that they are willing to fight him next. But obviously, for a more lucrative fight, they are targeting Canelo and I think most of us here wanted to see that fight. Mexican vs Mexican.

Well, that's the excuse of the Benavidez family. In fairness, Andrade is a much easier and financially better opponent than the very dangerous and hungry David Morrell. But they should realize that Canelo can also make the same excuse.

[Baofeng]

@inthelongrun - I do agree, I don't know how this boxing organizations specially WBC designated this belt for this champion as there are a lot. They even have, champion in recess, what the hell is that?

They should really forced Canelo to fight Benavidez if they see him as their interim belt holder.

But Alas, they won't do that, they will let Canelo off the hook and they can do whatever they want as long as the Sulaiman's is still in the WBC.

[danherbias07]

Anthony Joshua versus Francis Ngannou in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is getting close (March 8 ) but we have a good boxing fight on March 2.

Amanda Serrano versus Nina Meinke - IBF, WBO, and WBA Featherweight Women Titles are on the line.
It will be held in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/108730-serrano-vs-meinke
Jake Paul versus Ryan Bourland will be the Co-main event.
I don't know why Jake Paul is listed here because this is not an entertainment match, but I guess he needs to be serious here. This isn't acting anymore.
But I guess he will win this. Why? Ryan Bourland last fought in September 2022. And before that, his last fight was in October 2018. This is a damn inactive boxer and it will be a damn shame if Paul will be defeated in this fight.

My pick on the main event will be Amanda Serrano. Big fan. Even at the age of 35 years old, I bet she still has the strength to defeat the younger 30-year-old boxer Nina Meinke.

[yazher]

They should really forced Canelo to fight Benavidez if they see him as their interim belt holder.

But Alas, they won't do that, they will let Canelo off the hook and they can do whatever they want as long as the Sulaiman's is still in the WBC.

They will only push that fight if they know Canelo will win easily since this has no assurance, they will just further delay it and brainwash the fans with some other opponents which is not gonna work since everyone in the boxing industry knows already what they are cooking. Unlike before, whenever there is a fighter that could give them a challenging fight, they will quickly fix everything until they make the fight happen as soon as possible because no one wants to delay such a historical fight but today, we always see such kind of thing whenever there is a boxer that could potentially beat them, they avoid them until they became old or no longer have the same skills as he used to be and then they accept the offer.

[Baofeng]

They should really forced Canelo to fight Benavidez if they see him as their interim belt holder.

But Alas, they won't do that, they will let Canelo off the hook and they can do whatever they want as long as the Sulaiman's is still in the WBC.

They will only push that fight if they know Canelo will win easily since this has no assurance, they will just further delay it and brainwash the fans with some other opponents which is not gonna work since everyone in the boxing industry knows already what they are cooking. Unlike before, whenever there is a fighter that could give them a challenging fight, they will quickly fix everything until they make the fight happen as soon as possible because no one wants to delay such a historical fight but today, we always see such kind of thing whenever there is a boxer that could potentially beat them, they avoid them until they became old or no longer have the same skills as he used to be and then they accept the offer.

That is not the job of the governing body to see if Canelo is going to win or not, or for any boxer. Their have mandated job is to keep their organization intact, rank their boxers and let them fight each other for the belts. They have 2 champions if you are going to look at it, David Benavidez as interim and then Canelo Alvarez as their regular champion. In a perfect world there should only be one champion and so the obvious path for WBC is to let their supposedly 2 champion fight for it to become their single champion that will represent their organization. Unfortunately, this is not going to happen as they allow Canelo to call the shots.

[Dave1]

Anthony Joshua versus Francis Ngannou in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is getting close (March 8 ) but we have a good boxing fight on March 2.

Amanda Serrano versus Nina Meinke - IBF, WBO, and WBA Featherweight Women Titles are on the line.
It will be held in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/108730-serrano-vs-meinke
Jake Paul versus Ryan Bourland will be the Co-main event.
I don't know why Jake Paul is listed here because this is not an entertainment match, but I guess he needs to be serious here. This isn't acting anymore.
But I guess he will win this. Why? Ryan Bourland last fought in September 2022. And before that, his last fight was in October 2018. This is a damn inactive boxer and it will be a damn shame if Paul will be defeated in this fight.

My pick on the main event will be Amanda Serrano. Big fan. Even at the age of 35 years old, I bet she still has the strength to defeat the younger 30-year-old boxer Nina Meinke.

That's weird, but I guess what Jake Paul wanted to be is that to become a professional boxer, 

But I think this is borderline exhibition match? I just look at the odds for the Serrano fight and it seems it is a mismatch as Meinke is a 11:1 underdog. I haven't seen this kind of huge gap in the odds for a professional fight.

As for the opponent of Jake Paul, yeah probably another set up for him, cherry pick fight as we say.

[Kemarit]

Assuming Canelo needs something else for his legacy, I reckon he battles the winner of Beterbiev versus Bivol. That will bring him prestige particularly assuming he wins and becomes undisputed in two weight classes like Crawford and Inoue.

That's the best thing for him to do to gain more popularity, but that means climbing up again in weight, which he failed against Bivol. If Beterbiev wins here via KO, that means he is too much for Bivol, and I don't know if it's wise for Canelo to challenge the boxer that defeated the boxer who defeated him.

Canelo has never been KO'd in his career as a boxer, and maybe that will be the time that he'll suffer his worst defeat at the hands of Beterbiev, who is a 100% KO artist. I'm not sure he is up for that challenge as his legacy is also at stake big time.

He can still chase for greatness still by fighting Benavidez or going after a rematch with Bivol to avenge his defeat. But so far none of that has happened, he chooses to fight the twins. Years ago he had plans to even moved to CW and fight the WBC champion for a catchweight?

What happen to that plan? Now, he is fighting at 154 lbs and 160 lbs boxers? He used to go up in weight and challenges those champions. But it seems right now it's the other way around for Canelo, asking boxers if they want to fight him to go up to his SMW. But doesn't want to fight the likes of Benavidez or even Munguia because he thinks they didn't deserved the fight or they are "Mexicans".

[inthelongrun]

@inthelongrun - I do agree, I don't know how this boxing organizations specially WBC designated this belt for this champion as there are a lot. They even have, champion in recess, what the hell is that?
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Yeah, it's crazy how the WBC and the WBA are trying to milk as many fighters as possible by imposing sanctioning fees. The WBC champion in recess IIRC is to those that are out for a moment like injured or something. But in reality, it's just another way of playing with the rules. Luckily, the WBC's plan for the franchise champion did not work out for Canelo and Loma. It should've been similar to WBA's super champion which is now the real WBA belt relegating the WBA regular belt to a minor belt.

Now the WBC has a new division which is the bridgerweight. So far it is only the WBA that followed it. Perfect for the two very corrupt boxing bodies. Hopefully, the IBF and the WBO won't adopt that new division.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I’m really interested in seeing what Ashtray from Euphoria can accomplish as a professional. BoxRec says he already had 1 pro fight already but I couldn’t find any video and the March 2 fight is being advertised as his debut. He already has the fame and money so we will see how serious he is about boxing. I’m thinking he’ll probably turn out like Ryan Garcia, where he might be good but not quite good enough to be world champion.

[Yaunfitda]

Not sure if this is true or not,



https://twitter.com/boxing_william/status/1758908335083192470

But based on that statement, it seems that they are forcing Canelo to fight Benavidez next and so they are negotiating behind. Again, there's a lot of rumors that it will be Charlo next for Canelo in May. Let's see how this so could negotiation goes though, if this is real then good for us. But it might have been contradict what Canelo said recently that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican. All we can do right now is wait until we finally hear official statement from Canelo.

[Baofeng]

On the other hand, as per Michael Benson,

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1760378377184084450

Michael Benson
@MichaelBensonn
‼️ Al Haymon's PBC are reportedly ready to pay Canelo Alvarez his guaranteed purse said to be "around $35million" for a fight vs Jaime Munguia on May 4th, but not if he insists on Jermall Charlo. It's claimed PBC believe fight vs Munguia would sell better. [According to ESPNmx]

So Canelo is being offered a big $35 million to fight Jaime Munguia of Golden Boy. And that is big money, that is only guaranteed without the PPV and live gates sales. And again, Michael Benson is a reliable source and if by chance Canelo didn't pick Munguia and instead pick Charlo, then we all know that he is taking less risk in his career now.

[btc_angela]

^^ What if Canelo wants Charlo for the same $35 million? Will PBC give in to his demand or would push for a Munguia fight. And obviously $35 million guaranteed is big money, but perhaps Canelo is not satisfied and still ask for more money.

As for Munguia, he could be getting his biggest paycheck and so I think they will sign the contract right away if there will be an offer from Canelo and PBC. However, isn't it too late? We just have 1 week before the start of March, and usually this boxers need 8-12 weeks for training and promotion. So the everything is still on the side of Canelo here, May 5 or at least along that week he usually fights as it is a Mexican day and so he needs to make the decision ASAP.

[jakelyson]

Not sure if this is true or not,



https://twitter.com/boxing_william/status/1758908335083192470

But based on that statement, it seems that they are forcing Canelo to fight Benavidez next and so they are negotiating behind. Again, there's a lot of rumors that it will be Charlo next for Canelo in May. Let's see how this so could negotiation goes though, if this is real then good for us. But it might have been contradict what Canelo said recently that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican. All we can do right now is wait until we finally hear official statement from Canelo.

I think this is true Mauricio Sulaimán is eager to see this fight but Canelo Alvarez is furious upon hearing this, as he wants to fight Jermell Charlo in his next fight but instead Sulaiman wants a mandatory fight between Canelo Alvarez VS David Benavidez, and Sulaiman then added that Canelo VS Benevidez is a more logical fight to see than with a Charlo fight. it should be rematched but instead because of WBO's Mauricio Sulaiman, Canelo Alvarez will fight Benavidez.

So Canelo is being offered a big $35 million to fight Jaime Munguia of Golden Boy. And that is big money, that is only guaranteed without the PPV and live gates sales. And again, Michael Benson is a reliable source and if by chance Canelo didn't pick Munguia and instead pick Charlo, then we all know that he is taking less risk in his career now.

Canelo Alvarez is the one blooming right now in the scene boxing which is why there are so many offers for him, and even though there is a Mandatory fight that is coming I really think Canelo should give it a try this is great money he will be getting and he should ready himself 2 to 3 fights this year, and that is a huge amount to be offered for a boxer and if that would be me I will be tempted to accept that fight and be ready with the mandatory fight against David Benevidez if it continue as Mauricio Sulaimán has set it up, for me it will be a great fight. 

^^ What if Canelo wants Charlo for the same $35 million? Will PBC give in to his demand or would push for a Munguia fight. And obviously $35 million guaranteed is big money, but perhaps Canelo is not satisfied and still ask for more money.

As for Munguia, he could be getting his biggest paycheck and so I think they will sign the contract right away if there will be an offer from Canelo and PBC. However, isn't it too late? We just have 1 week before the start of March, and usually this boxers need 8-12 weeks for training and promotion. So the everything is still on the side of Canelo here, May 5 or at least along that week he usually fights as it is a Mexican day and so he needs to make the decision ASAP.

Sometimes because of the promotion and the back to back offer, you will never know who you will entertain, as this will need a great plan on handling those fighters or Canelo's Camp will need to plan this strategically, if they will go to a Dangerous fighter 1st, or put himself in an easy fight 1st to condition himself, if he would get all possible fights for him this year.

[Kemarit]

^^ What if Canelo wants Charlo for the same $35 million? Will PBC give in to his demand or would push for a Munguia fight. And obviously $35 million guaranteed is big money, but perhaps Canelo is not satisfied and still ask for more money.

And it just shows that Canelo is calling the shot, PBC could have go to let Canelo be paid by that huge amount and fight Jaime Munguia. No second options for him. That money is already huge, what more can Canelo ask for? And it's a fight that he will be likely the favorite, so it's a win-win for him.

As for Munguia, he could be getting his biggest paycheck and so I think they will sign the contract right away if there will be an offer from Canelo and PBC. However, isn't it too late? We just have 1 week before the start of March, and usually this boxers need 8-12 weeks for training and promotion. So the everything is still on the side of Canelo here, May 5 or at least along that week he usually fights as it is a Mexican day and so he needs to make the decision ASAP.

Time is running out, but I do believed that Canelo is already back in the game around February and could have been doing like training in the mitts to keep himself in shape and not just go and start training once they sign the contract as to who he is going to fight next.