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January 27, 2016, 10:11:47 AM
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My definition of "feasible" is based on experimental psychology. Organisms behave according to stimuli, pleasure, needs, etc. Your "Stalinist" pejorative belies your education and/or bias. The problem is they tried to make Marxist ideas into a political system. Higher organisms don't become "political" until they respond to "others" outside their immediate family/group. RBE seeks to allow people to treat everyone like their own family/tribe. The principles have been studied and tested by science and have shown to have predictable results. Many clinicians and organizations use these techniques and it's simply a matter of scale.

There is nothing to enforce. The alternative of not becoming an RBE is extinction as a species. The eventual culling of the population will demand it.

No,you get me wrong, I`m talking about everyday applicable decisions in a society? How are they decided , who decides them, and how are they enforced?


I saw the RBE model, and video, they talk about a huge global network of resource trading. It seems pretty complicated, and it needs high levels of organization, presumably a global state.

And when you are dealing with a global state, presumably heavily leftist, you can quickly fall into Stalinist ideology and turn this dream ideology into a nightmare with gulags and then rest of them.
The only major decisions would be how to best use land, water, and mineral resources. They would be used in the most efficient and logical way. It would be similar to how a husband and wife decide how to budget themselves for them and their children. Your predilection for violence is curious. Did your parents chain you in the basement and torture you as a child? That is not normal behavior, history notwithstanding. Believe it or not, people can learn to be erudite and behave rationally. Your vision of humanity would not have progressed beyond the stone age if they were the rule rather than the exception.

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January 27, 2016, 10:34:19 AM
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the resource-dependent economy on the planet is in my opinion the only possible way to construct a system aimed at striving in the material world and that such a construction requires a lot of abstract thinking for justification of those or other enclosed forms of governance or construction of the inter human relationships, where every person is different from birth and that without breaking the essence inside and not changing it since he was born and to offer him all the already made decisions; and each time inventing or discovering any useful resource that could change , but to facilitate and to improve the life, but constantly stop and think not to happen and we have to have, different theories have been invoked and applied to contemporary economic models and where we see that simple always should die, having in mind moving forward though, but what we see with electronic money system, where there is the temptation not printing money and not mining, to make infinity money and solve many of the tasks where the only time people don't mate, though, it remains to see how will be this time and what happens and ''does not work'', lmao

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January 28, 2016, 02:20:12 PM
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Capitalism as propagator of free trade is concerned only for profit! RBE is not possible if system stays same. Capitalism is not sustainable because keep destroying resources of its hosts, don't care about pollution and people are not important they count in KW just like in Matrix without machines..
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January 28, 2016, 11:28:04 PM
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The only major decisions would be how to best use land, water, and mineral resources. They would be used in the most efficient and logical way. It would be similar to how a husband and wife decide how to budget themselves for them and their children. Your predilection for violence is curious. Did your parents chain you in the basement and torture you as a child? That is not normal behavior, history notwithstanding. Believe it or not, people can learn to be erudite and behave rationally. Your vision of humanity would not have progressed beyond the stone age if they were the rule rather than the exception.

No thats extreme, but there are still common examples when 1 spouse spends all the household money.

Ok they are married, and they put together their money in 1 basket, but then the woman goes out on a shopping spree and spends all the common money, essentially robbing the husband.

Now you might call that an abusive marriage, but it's actually a robbery, and if you dont set a clear limit over property then people will abuse that.
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What happens when you give unlimited food to fat people? Will they start giving down weight or eat themselves to death?
"Fat people"?
Presumably there will be healthcare to address the condition.

What happens when you give unlimited fuel to car owners? Will they only use the car for necessary trips or, abuse it and go out on unnecesary trips?
It's called freedom, Baby!

There is a clear reason why property was invented, to limit the waste, and when you deal with other people's capital, you bet that there will be a lot of waste.
"property was invented"
You currently have nothing that can't be legally and forcefully taken from you by the state, except Bitcoin. Please tell me again about this "private property" of which you speak.


And the government is the biggest resource waster, EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT ON EARTH IS IN DEFICIT (BANKRUPT), WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT EFFICIENT RESOURCE MANAGEMENT?

No argument from me there, but it has nothing to do with RBE because there would be no government.

DO YOU STILL THINK THIS GLOBAL GOVERNMENT RBE WILL WORK OUT NICELY??
Nice strawman. That's the opposite of what I am saying.

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January 29, 2016, 07:09:51 AM
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This system is just wishful thinking, it cannot be done!

I used to think that too. Then I found Bitcoin. I do not think it will happen in our lifetime because there is no incentive to educate people. Over time it will naturally happen as technology progresses while our education and leisure time increases. Look how far we've come since 1492. Nowadays you can live in huge cities or remote provinces and still connect with virtually anyone instantly. You go from locked box to locked box, protected from anyone you don't wish to deal with. You'd be surprised how much of bad behavior is simply to get attention. In another two hundred years we'll be so spread out around the solar system, you may go your whole life without meeting another person while still communicating with hundreds of billions in virtual worlds. The Universe is a big place. There's plenty of room to run away from bad people and just ignore them.

Oh yeah, why Bitcoin you ask? Because machine intelligences are going to use this new form of governance created by Satoshi to remove our personal avarice and fulfill our needs. NO! NOT EBIL ROBOTS... MARKETS!!! Because bitcoins can't be taken by violence. If we learn to stop trying to game each other and play nice like they taught us in grade school, then we will spend less time trying to get attention for ourselves and instead work to improve our value to others.

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January 29, 2016, 01:16:14 PM
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I used to think that too. Then I found Bitcoin. I do not think it will happen in our lifetime because there is no incentive to educate people. Over time it will naturally happen as technology progresses while our education and leisure time increases. Look how far we've come since 1492. Nowadays you can live in huge cities or remote provinces and still connect with virtually anyone instantly. You go from locked box to locked box, protected from anyone you don't wish to deal with. You'd be surprised how much of bad behavior is simply to get attention. In another two hundred years we'll be so spread out around the solar system, you may go your whole life without meeting another person while still communicating with hundreds of billions in virtual worlds. The Universe is a big place. There's plenty of room to run away from bad people and just ignore them.


Yea that would be nice, too many socialists look to steal my stuff, I hope in the future we can go out and salvage our property.

But joke aside, even though technology progresses (due to the free market), I think the leftists will lose in the end, since their rhetoric is nothing but wishful thinking and emotions.

If technology really brings us prosperity, there will be no more need for leftists, and the free market will just acompass everything.

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January 30, 2016, 03:20:43 AM
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I used to think that too. Then I found Bitcoin. I do not think it will happen in our lifetime because there is no incentive to educate people. Over time it will naturally happen as technology progresses while our education and leisure time increases. Look how far we've come since 1492. Nowadays you can live in huge cities or remote provinces and still connect with virtually anyone instantly. You go from locked box to locked box, protected from anyone you don't wish to deal with. You'd be surprised how much of bad behavior is simply to get attention. In another two hundred years we'll be so spread out around the solar system, you may go your whole life without meeting another person while still communicating with hundreds of billions in virtual worlds. The Universe is a big place. There's plenty of room to run away from bad people and just ignore them.


Yea that would be nice, too many socialists look to steal my stuff, I hope in the future we can go out and salvage our property.

But joke aside, even though technology progresses (due to the free market), I think the leftists will lose in the end, since their rhetoric is nothing but wishful thinking and emotions.

If technology really brings us prosperity, there will be no more need for leftists, and the free market will just acompass everything.

There is no free market, I only said market. You won't be able to just buy anything what you want and you won't be able to get your buddies to print you money. In fact, the market won't be available to you individually. You will need to show cause for resource distribution. Case in point, currently socialist countries enjoy the highest quality of life and standards of living. They still have problems caused by corruption and graft. The market I'm talking about is the cost-benefit projection of resources to you vs the collective.

Of course you can always choose to use other forms of money and create markets with other people. I doubt that would ever be preferable the resources available to a provably-fair market.

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April 02, 2016, 05:54:03 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnh3NsZVWvs

Peter Joseph of The Zeitgeist Movement Interview, Athens Greece, March 26th 2016

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April 02, 2016, 11:04:30 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnh3NsZVWvs

Peter Joseph of The Zeitgeist Movement Interview, Athens Greece, March 26th 2016

He is right. Loans and interest is a scam. We need only a free funding system and a tax system to avoid inflation.
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April 03, 2016, 11:17:46 PM
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http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/56febff0a1bb8d3c3495adf4/

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Over a year ago, an anonymous source contacted the Süddeutsche Zeitung (SZ) and submitted encrypted internal documents from Mossack Fonseca, a Panamanian law firm that sells anonymous offshore companies around the world. These shell firms enable their owners to cover up their business dealings, no matter how shady.

In the months that followed, the number of documents continued to grow far beyond the original leak. Ultimately, SZ acquired about 2.6 terabytes of data, making the leak the biggest that journalists had ever worked with. The source wanted neither financial compensation nor anything else in return, apart from a few security measures.

The data provides rare insights into a world that can only exist in the shadows. It proves how a global industry led by major banks, legal firms, and asset management companies secretly manages the estates of the world’s rich and famous: from politicians, Fifa officials, fraudsters and drug smugglers, to celebrities and professional athletes.

One day you will learn that all politics are immersed in corruption in the context of the monetary system. Please investigate a resource based economy.

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May 23, 2016, 09:34:18 PM
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RealBitcoin, do I understand you to say that socialist ideas are evil and will always lead to murder and poverty for millions?  If what you're saying is true, that would explain why nobody here has been able to make any valid defense of socialism.

Since no human being is good, we can trust no human being with complete power over our lives.  The only way we can protect ourselves from other people's power is with our own power, and the only way to have our own power is with our own private property.  When "the government" owns everything, none of us have any protection against those people calling themselves "the government". 

In every country which has tried to get rid of rich people, the poor people literally die attempting to escape and go somewhere that still has rich people.

Here's a new video about the failure of Venezuela's evil socialist policies:

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June 03, 2016, 01:27:53 PM
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BARR, this thread is for discussing a Resource Based Economy (RBE).

I followed the link in your signature, and, lo and behold, I found this statement:

"We believe that the altcoin market is stuck in a fatal loop;
BARR is designed to disrupt that self-destructive cycle and eliminate resource-hogging redundancy.", my emphasis.

This perfectly describes an RBE, but encompassing all of the world's resources.

Could it be that you actually are a "socialist"?

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June 10, 2016, 04:34:07 PM
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These two statements are somewhat contradictory, but point to the fact that societies can evolve. Evolution is never a "pretty overlay," in fact evolution is often very ugly. I think we all agree that humans don't desire money or they would not spend it on desirable pleasures. How we get to a maximized efficient means of fulfilling desirable pleasures has historically been through technology. Let evolution take its course and allow technology to continue to maximize efficiency of fulfilling pleasure. Money is of little importance in the long run. When things get very ugly because competing money systems all will fail, evolution will weed out the money and allow technology to do what it does best and increase pleasure.
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June 10, 2016, 04:56:53 PM
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The idea of the resource based economy would only function in a society of super intelligent and sensitive human beings with no egos. Unfortunately, most people seem to have big egos and don't care about a common good. Im not sure yet if this is a social construct which is supported and empowered by capitalism itself or it is in fact how humans behave in general by default.

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June 11, 2016, 05:39:30 AM
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RealBitcoin, do I understand you to say that socialist ideas are evil and will always lead to murder and poverty for millions?  If what you're saying is true, that would explain why nobody here has been able to make any valid defense of socialism.

Since no human being is good, we can trust no human being with complete power over our lives.  The only way we can protect ourselves from other people's power is with our own power, and the only way to have our own power is with our own private property.  When "the government" owns everything, none of us have any protection against those people calling themselves "the government". 

In every country which has tried to get rid of rich people, the poor people literally die attempting to escape and go somewhere that still has rich people.

Here's a new video about the failure of Venezuela's evil socialist policies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTH7-Gpr8GA

Yes I agree. Whenever envious poor people try to steal from the rich, they always find themselves becoming more poor as a result of infighting.

There is a reason why poor people are poor, and they should search for the root cause of it, and not blame it on the rich people.

I`m neither rich nor poor, but I just cannot stand lies and vicious envy from the poor people.

People need to have more humbleness.

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June 11, 2016, 07:45:21 AM
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The idea of the resource based economy would only function in a society of super intelligent and sensitive human beings with no egos. Unfortunately, most people seem to have big egos and don't care about a common good. Im not sure yet if this is a social construct which is supported and empowered by capitalism itself or it is in fact how humans behave in general by default.

These are social (read herd) instincts, capitalism is just a shape into which they are tunneled

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June 11, 2016, 08:21:57 AM
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The idea of the resource based economy would only function in a society of super intelligent and sensitive human beings with no egos. Unfortunately, most people seem to have big egos and don't care about a common good. Im not sure yet if this is a social construct which is supported and empowered by capitalism itself or it is in fact how humans behave in general by default.

Thats very contradictory. If humanity would be superintelligent then they would not need resource based economy as everyone would have their own spaceship roaming the universe for resources.

Socialism was only created to support the dumb masses, and capitalism would shine perfectly if people were just a bit more intelligent.

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June 16, 2016, 09:47:54 AM
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I'm still not sure how these ideological allegiances relate to a "resource based econonomy". Is the world economy today not already "resource based" in large part? How is it beneficial to give this concept such a vague name? It's hard to be against something as broad as a "resource based economy", it's basically something that goes without saying for economies everywhere to some degree.You release shit to the world every time you go to defecate, but that doesn't mean you are a shit-man
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July 04, 2016, 12:00:35 PM
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Is the world economy today not already "resource based" in large part? How is it beneficial to give this concept such a vague name?

That is because the "resource based economy" is only an euphemism for global totalitarian communism.

All people advocating for this nonsense are silly communists.

They all trying to sell the same shit under different packaging for 200 years and it always leads to suffering and genocide. No thank you.

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July 04, 2016, 03:06:43 PM
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"I advocate the Zeitgeist Movement & Venus Project."
Well I now have reason to believe you are a person with weak critical thinking skills.
hahha that was nice broo :DD destroyeeed.
Anyway zeitgest movement is actually bullshit,i watched their film and well...got laughed all the time through it,good way to get fun for free hehe
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