Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[af_newbie]

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 Poland was already claiming that Russia could attack them so they could be sent a peacekeeping force to Ukraine so that war stays on the soil of Ukraine.

Lol clownworld. Did't know there is currently peace in Ukraine to sent "peacekeeping" force. Last i know there was war.
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Exactly.

What Poland should do is to send GROM teams as "Green Men"/"Volunteers on vacation" to take over Sevastopol, blow up the Kerch bridge and help Ukrainians retake the occupied territories.

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[paxmao]

While discussing about a NATO country joining the war and other fairy tales, Putin's war with Ukraine is stalled. Odessa's air defences and Belgorod's are quite active at the moment. Izum seems to be the last noticeable advance, but pincer movements are stalled. There seems to be an attempt to conduct an increased air warfare, but Ukraine is now a porcupine, bite it and you will bleed. Putin's psychos have decided that it is a great idea to destroy the Ukrainian infrastructure all over the country: hospitals, schools, bridges, industries, civil infrastructure,...

There will be a permanent diplomatic cost on that. Firstly, Russia's assets may be seized across the world to pay reparations. Secondly, Ukraine will have even more reasons to look west for financing and prosperity and lastly, due to the atrocities and sub-human way of waging war of Putin's Chief Psycho, there will be a decades long hate to anything Russian right by their border.

IMHO, the US does not want Putin to go - it would create chaos on a country that holds too many nukes. However they have stated that the policy is to ensure that Putin nor the RF possesses the means to wage another war against Ukraine or anyone else. This is now not just about a peace in Ukraine or if there will be any territorial loss, it is a permanent loss of diplomatic and commercial status.

How is this going to be achieved? Playing with Putin's need to present some short of victory. Making him and his psychos believe that they are almost there, near some form of victory that somehow manages to elude them... but it will never be. Tactical Cannon Fodder battalions will suffer 20% losses over and over and become inoperative,  Putin's air force will be loosing irreplaceable pilots and planes. Also, infrastructure in Russia can now be a legitimate target, and it will be targeted.

But that is not the worst. The sanctions are not just an economic weapon, is also a technological one. Modern Russia is not the USSR, they do depend on components that are not locally sourced. The effects will be devastating for the industry.

Putin's Russia a quite autonomous economy, but there is no way to avoid an 8% drop in GDP this year and that may only be the beginning of decades on depending on China for trade. I would not want to be in that position.

Meanwhile, in Putin's controlled Donetsk...

[tvbcof]

Looks like Western Ukrainians might want to brush up on their Polish:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/7dUd8IDEWWRU/

If I were a Naziesque Ukrainian nationalist (leader) getting my ass hamburgered in the East, I'd be inclined to pack up my kit and head back over to the area where my actual family might be.  I'd make as nice as possible with the Russians as I pack up for my trip back home, though, because it is quite possible that they might be more on the helpful and supportive side in the not-to-distant future.

[paxmao]

Looks like Western Ukrainians might want to brush up on their Polish:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/7dUd8IDEWWRU/

If I were a Naziesque Ukrainian nationalist (leader) getting my ass hamburgered in the East, I'd be inclined to pack up my kit and head back over to the area where my actual family might be.  I'd make as nice as possible with the Russians as I pack up for my trip back home, though, because it is quite possible that they might be more on the helpful and supportive side in the not-to-distant future.

Keep dreaming about motivated combatants fleeing their land, meanwhile have a read... here.

He is one of more than 25,000 Russians to have arrived in Georgia since Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Russians have been struggling to find affordable accommodation in all the major cities. Many can be seen wandering around the capital, Tbilisi, with their suitcases and often even their pets.

A blue-and-yellow ribbon is attached to the lapel of Yevgeny's trench-coat - the colours of the Ukrainian flag. It was these ribbons that got him arrested at an anti-war protest in Russia, a day after it launched its war on Ukraine.

"I understood the best way to act against Putin's regime would be my emigration from Russia," says the 23-year old politics graduate. "It's my responsibility to do anything I can to help the Ukrainians."

The exodus does not stop at Georgia. The EU, US, UK and Canada have closed their airspace to Russian flights, so they are heading for countries where flights are still permitted and where visas are not required, such as Turkey, Central Asia and the South Caucasus. Many have fled to Armenia.

According to one estimate by a Russian economist, as many as 200,000 Russians have left their country since the start of the war.

[tvbcof]

Looks like Western Ukrainians might want to brush up on their Polish:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/7dUd8IDEWWRU/

If I were a Naziesque Ukrainian nationalist (leader) getting my ass hamburgered in the East, I'd be inclined to pack up my kit and head back over to the area where my actual family might be.  I'd make as nice as possible with the Russians as I pack up for my trip back home, though, because it is quite possible that they might be more on the helpful and supportive side in the not-to-distant future.

Keep dreaming about motivated combatants fleeing their land, meanwhile have a read... here.
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A bunch of the Nationalists were funded into a state of readiness by Kolomoyski (same 'Ukrainian'/Jewish oligarch who sponsored Zelensky and Hunter Biden.)  These forces were used for ethnic cleansing attempts in the Eastern part of the county.  Even a Nazi can understand a target of ethnic cleansing would have not choice but to fight back which has to be a factor in their motivations to accomplish the mission.  Especially relative to the potential mission of limiting how much land the Poles end up taking in Western Ukraine.

Almost certainly by design, a lot of the Nationalists are no longer among the living.  Seems to me that the Ukrainian military planners (aka, the CIA) did everything they could to get the Nationalist forces killed off, and away from the defense of their native areas.  But some have survived.  Seems that a good number of the regular army currently working on Eastern issues are conscripts or typical non-fanatic troops who trying (and often failing) to stay alive as Russia finishes up this phase of their 'special military action.'

By now even the most unsophisticated of the Nationalists must surely be starting to understand what tools they have been.  And who's been using them...and it wasn't generally 'the Russians'.

[af_newbie]

Looks like Western Ukrainians might want to brush up on their Polish:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/7dUd8IDEWWRU/

If I were a Naziesque Ukrainian nationalist (leader) getting my ass hamburgered in the East, I'd be inclined to pack up my kit and head back over to the area where my actual family might be.  I'd make as nice as possible with the Russians as I pack up for my trip back home, though, because it is quite possible that they might be more on the helpful and supportive side in the not-to-distant future.

Co ty obszczymurku pierdolisz? Pojebalo cie?

BTW, many Polish speak Ukrainian, especially in the Eastern part of Poland. As for Western Ukrainians, well, you don't know but in the last
20+ years many Ukrainians immigrated to Poland. Many of their kids are teachers of the Polish language in Polish schools, lol.

Unless you have been living under the same rock as Putin, it might be a shock to you that the world is more interconnected than ever before.

Poland would never attack Ukraine. Poles are not Katsaps, they don't attack countries.
Poles are more closely culturally related to Ukrainians than Russian-speaking Ukrainians to Katsaps.

Ukrainians and Poles are Europeans. Russians are a horde of Mongols.

Baм pyccким бyдeт пoвний пиздeть.

[tvbcof]

Co ty obszczymurku pierdolisz? Pojebalo cie?

BTW, many Polish speak Ukrainian, especially in the Eastern part of Poland. As for Western Ukrainians, well, you don't know but in the last
20+ years many Ukrainians immigrated to Poland. Many of their kids are teachers of the Polish language in Polish schools, lol.

Unless you have been living under the same rock as Putin, it might be a shock to you that the world is more interconnected than ever before.

Poland would never attack Ukraine. Poles are not Katsaps, they don't attack countries.
Poles are more closely culturally related to Ukrainians than Russian-speaking Ukrainians to Katsaps.

Ukrainians and Poles are Europeans. Russians are a horde of Mongols.

Baм pyccким бyдeт пoвний пиздeть.

Thanks for your sagacious input (quoted for the benefit of future generations).  I guess my sources were wrong and there have never been any tensions between the Ukrainians and the Poles in that area.  Nothing but brotherly love from the beginning of time, and any possible tensions are completely out of the question as a future issue.

[af_newbie]

Co ty obszczymurku pierdolisz? Pojebalo cie?

BTW, many Polish speak Ukrainian, especially in the Eastern part of Poland. As for Western Ukrainians, well, you don't know but in the last
20+ years many Ukrainians immigrated to Poland. Many of their kids are teachers of the Polish language in Polish schools, lol.

Unless you have been living under the same rock as Putin, it might be a shock to you that the world is more interconnected than ever before.

Poland would never attack Ukraine. Poles are not Katsaps, they don't attack countries.
Poles are more closely culturally related to Ukrainians than Russian-speaking Ukrainians to Katsaps.

Ukrainians and Poles are Europeans. Russians are a horde of Mongols.

Baм pyccким бyдeт пoвний пиздeть.

Thanks for your sagacious input (quoted for the benefit of future generations).  I guess my sources were wrong and there have never been any tensions between the Ukrainians and the Poles in that area.  Nothing but brotherly love from the beginning of time, and any possible tensions are completely out of the question as a future issue.

Yes, your sources are wrong about the current state of affairs.
Historical extrapolations are useless.
The problem with this way of thinking is that it assumes that relations between nations are linear functions.
The world moved on, nobody cares what one's grand-grandfathers thought was important to them.

Most European nations had imperialist history but managed to come out of these dark ages and correct their ways.

The problem here is that Russia did not abandon its 15-19th century imperialist way of thinking.

Only a deluded Russian propagandist can think/write/say that Poland would attack Ukraine and annex its Western territories.

[suchmoon]

Thanks for your sagacious input (quoted for the benefit of future generations).  I guess my sources were wrong and there have never been any tensions between the Ukrainians and the Poles in that area.  Nothing but brotherly love from the beginning of time, and any possible tensions are completely out of the question as a future issue.

It's quite obvious by now that you have no clue about European history and just make shit up or parrot bitchute videos of similarly clueless "sources".

Poland - just like most nations in that area - has had many conflicts with its neighbors. That doesn't mean it's going to invade Germany, Lithuania, or Ukraine.

[tvbcof]

Thanks for your sagacious input (quoted for the benefit of future generations).  I guess my sources were wrong and there have never been any tensions between the Ukrainians and the Poles in that area.  Nothing but brotherly love from the beginning of time, and any possible tensions are completely out of the question as a future issue.

It's quite obvious by now that you have no clue about European history and just make shit up or parrot bitchute videos of similarly clueless "sources".

Poland - just like most nations in that area - has had many conflicts with its neighbors. That doesn't mean it's going to invade Germany, Lithuania, or Ukraine.

Of course Poland would never 'attack' or 'invade' Ukraine.  They might just do a 'special military action' and put 'peacekeepers' there to 'help protect' the areas they want some control over and resources from.  Much like Russia is doing in the South and East in fact.  Maybe 'democratic' elections would 'prove' that the people of Western Ukraine would want to become part of Poland someday.  Or maybe part of New Israel.  Who knows?

The problem Poland would have would be how to manage the Nationalists...at least the ones which have not been taken care of already by the Donbass people and Russia.  The Russian intel guy says that they are actively soliciting persons in Kiev right now who would work with them to mitigate that looming hassle.

[be.open]

Poland - just like most nations in that area - has had many conflicts with its neighbors. That doesn't mean it's going to invade Germany, Lithuania, or Ukraine.

I think the military participation of Poland in this conflict is very likely and I spoke about this earlier - Poland has good reasons to consider the western six regions of Ukraine as its territory.

[TwitchySeal]

tvbcof you need to lay off the Russian propaganda.  be.open has an excuse, you don't.

[tvbcof]

tvbcof you need to lay off the Russian propaganda.  be.open has an excuse, you don't.

I'm glad you believe this because it scratches my trolling itch, but as I've said before, I don't have a dog in his fight.

As for Russia, I said it before and I'll say it again; I believe it most likely that they are simply playing a role in a script which was pre-determined before this show even kicked off.  At that level I don't see any 'good guys' or anyone who I would side with or support.  Russia and China are the pre-assigned winners in this act...and later will be pitted against one-another.  ('Winners' in an economic sense as most things are.)  I just need to accurately assess the situation so that I can adjust things in my personal life such as what countries I do business in.

As a former soldier I will not hesitate to recognize unexpectedly professional behavior on the part of anyone who displays it.  I've not seen many credible reports of widespread unprofessionalism on the part of the Russians, or even the Eastern forces of the civil war.  That's not to say I've not see a ton of obvious propaganda about war crimes and such, but this never comes with validation.  This professionalim surprises me.  My assessment of the observation are two-fold:  1) Russia (and friends) are winning handily and maintaining good command and control, and 2) it indicates that they are planning to be around (as background controllers at least) for a while and thus do care somewhat about the 'hearts and minds' of the notoriously fickle local populations.

Again, the Ukrainian 'defenders' of the South and East with their human shield strategies and such did a fantastic job of making the Ruskies seem like God's gift from Heaven to the local populations and a good bit of apparently relatively organic on-the-ground citizen journalism substantiates the idea that it is exactly how many of them feel.  For now at least.  I personally think it likely that this was part of the pre-agreed script.

[TwitchySeal]

tvbcof you need to lay off the Russian propaganda.  be.open has an excuse, you don't.

I'm glad you believe this because it scratches my trolling itch, but as I've said before, I don't have a dog in his fight.

Doesn't seem that way.  You shit all over anything related to the West and talk up Putin for being such a "straight shooter" (lol).

This "Poland wants to occupy part of Ukraine" line seemed bonkers to me, so I do a little research...oh look, Russian State Media article 3 days ago that you basically were just paraphrasing:

Of course Poland would never 'attack' or 'invade' Ukraine.  They might just do a 'special military action' and put 'peacekeepers' there to 'help protect' the areas they want some control over and resources from.  Much like Russia is doing in the South and East in fact.  Maybe 'democratic' elections would 'prove' that the people of Western Ukraine would want to become part of Poland someday.  Or maybe part of New Israel.  Who knows?

The problem Poland would have would be how to manage the Nationalists...at least the ones which have not been taken care of already by the Donbass people and Russia.  The Russian intel guy says that they are actively soliciting persons in Kiev right now who would work with them to mitigate that looming hassle.

[tvbcof]

tvbcof you need to lay off the Russian propaganda.  be.open has an excuse, you don't.

I'm glad you believe this because it scratches my trolling itch, but as I've said before, I don't have a dog in his fight.

Doesn't seem that way.  You shit all over anything related to the West and talk up Putin for being such a "straight shooter" (lol).

Doesn't seem that way to you and other 'normies' perhaps, but there are some people who have a more developed sense of the world or are just wired differently.  I'm perfectly happy to give credit where credit is due even if it is to a mortal enemy, and I am just as happy to significantly critisize entities which are most dear.  Especially myself.

I've mentioned this before, but my observation is that Western corp/gov is SO into being decietful that they cannot help themselves from the practice even when it tangibly hurts their possition on it's face, but more commonly does serious damage when they are caught in a lie or tangle of them.  It's bizarre.  Anyway, that seems to have opened the door for an the alternate of just being pretty straightforward and honest.  Russia seems to have picked up the ball and run with it, although their basic strategy seems limited to information for external consumption.  They still seem to lie to their own people with abandon.

So, yes, I'm much more willing to weigh Russian information higher out of the gate than info originating within Western corp/gov entities.  It's a conditioned response.

This "Poland wants to occupy part of Ukraine" line seemed bonkers to me, so I do a little research...oh look, Russian State Media article 3 days ago that you basically were just paraphrasing:

Of course Poland would never 'attack' or 'invade' Ukraine.  They might just do a 'special military action' and put 'peacekeepers' there to 'help protect' the areas they want some control over and resources from.  Much like Russia is doing in the South and East in fact.  Maybe 'democratic' elections would 'prove' that the people of Western Ukraine would want to become part of Poland someday.  Or maybe part of New Israel.  Who knows?

The problem Poland would have would be how to manage the Nationalists...at least the ones which have not been taken care of already by the Donbass people and Russia.  The Russian intel guy says that they are actively soliciting persons in Kiev right now who would work with them to mitigate that looming hassle.

Yeah, so what?  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict how aggressors will spin their agressions.  It's pretty much universal, and I poked a little fun at Russia (my supposed pay-masters) for it as well.  Although I've been anticipating the likelihood (of Poland wanting to take a chunk and/or be given a chunk which is contaminated with Nazi dingle-berries), the only recent conjectures I saw was from that guy in Cyprus (at the moment) and I linked it.  Most likely he had read the RT article and probably other info sources as well.

[TwitchySeal]

tvbcof you need to lay off the Russian propaganda.  be.open has an excuse, you don't.

I'm glad you believe this because it scratches my trolling itch, but as I've said before, I don't have a dog in his fight.

Doesn't seem that way.  You shit all over anything related to the West and talk up Putin for being such a "straight shooter" (lol).

Doesn't seem that way to you and other 'normies' perhaps, but there are some people who have a more developed sense of the world or are just wired differently.

Yeah ok.  NY Times = garbage but RT.com, or even better straight shooter Putin himself and you eat it up and spew it out.

[suchmoon]

Meanwhile spontaneous unfortunate events continue to happen in Russia near the Ukrainian border:

In the Kursk region, a bridge on a railway freight line partially collapsed, Governor Roman Starovoit said.

"Today, at about 11:20, on the 67th kilometer of the Sudzha-Sosnovy Bor railway, a partial collapse of the bridge structures was discovered," the head of the region said in his Telegram channel.

[Tash]

Ukraine attacking Donbas again
https://youtu.be/npQiQx3OmQA

[suchmoon]

Again dangerous smoking habits near the border:

The Governor of the Belgorod Region Vyacheslav Gladkov reported on his Telegram channel that a fire broke out at one of the facilities of the Russian Ministry of Defense in the region.

Rumor has it that "one of the facilities" is an ammunition depot, and the spontaneous combustion event may or may not have been preceded by a totally unrelated event of a foreign object arriving at a high velocity.

[OutOfMemory]

Again dangerous smoking habits near the border:

The Governor of the Belgorod Region Vyacheslav Gladkov reported on his Telegram channel that a fire broke out at one of the facilities of the Russian Ministry of Defense in the region.

Rumor has it that "one of the facilities" is an ammunition depot, and the spontaneous combustion event may or may not have been preceded by a totally unrelated event of a foreign object arriving at a high velocity.

Cigarettes don't fly that far at high speed, though 
Russian officials notoriously lying? Any real news?
I read about 80 civilians were evacuated from Asowstal factory today, british intelligence saw no movement of russian supplies to the front, but the red army seems to bring home defective gear, wounded and dead soldiers to Russia.
They need something to show on that parade on the 9th of may, don't they?