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Here is an interesting recent article from which you can better understand what place Poland occupies or wants to occupy in this conflict. It is about a possible union between Poland and Western Ukraine, on the territory of which Poland has claims for historical reasons. Moreover, since 2015, an organization for the return of Polish property in Ukraine "Restitution of Kresov" has been operating in Poland, and about 100 thousand Poles are able to prove that they are the heirs and successors of people who owned real estate in Western Ukraine. And in 2016, Ukraine signed, together with the Sejm of Poland, a joint declaration condemning the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact. By signing this declaration, Kyiv actually abandoned the six regions of Western Ukraine in favor of Poland, which Ukraine received under this pact. Now it is more clear to me why Poland is so determined and seems ready to take a direct part even without coordination with NATO. This is a historic chance for Poland to become the "customs office of Europe" with physical control over two branches of the gas pipeline from Russia to Europe instead of the current one. The bad news for Ukraine is that it looks like it could lose not only East and South, but also West as a result of this operation. Only the demilitarized Center will remain, on which all debts for weapons supplied by the West will be hanged.
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I see they supplied you with new material so that you wouldn't have to talk about faulty wiring and danger of smoking. However projecting Putin's imperial delusions on other countries doesn't really work well outside of Russian propaganda space. Russian Federation is the aggressor. Not Poland. Stay on topic, comrade.
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I see they supplied you with new material so that you wouldn't have to talk about faulty wiring and danger of smoking. However projecting Putin's imperial delusions on other countries doesn't really work well outside of Russian propaganda space. Russian Federation is the aggressor. Not Poland. Stay on topic, comrade. It seems that it is you who are digressing from the topic, I have not seen reports that Ukraine claimed responsibility for the strikes in Bryansk, probably because there were no such messages.
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April 25, 2022, 03:08:29 PM |
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I see they supplied you with new material so that you wouldn't have to talk about faulty wiring and danger of smoking. However projecting Putin's imperial delusions on other countries doesn't really work well outside of Russian propaganda space. Russian Federation is the aggressor. Not Poland. Stay on topic, comrade. It seems that it is you who are digressing from the topic, I have not seen reports that Ukraine claimed responsibility for the strikes in Bryansk, probably because there were no such messages. Ukraine does not deny nor confirm. Do you understand? "Does not deny nor confirm". And if you ask US intelligence services if they are helping... they "not deny nor confirm". Now repeat with me once more: " I am safe in Putin's Russia, I am safe in Putin's Russia, I am safe in Putin's Russia..."
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Ukraine does not deny nor confirm. Do you understand? "Does not deny nor confirm". And if you ask US intelligence services if they are helping... they "not deny nor confirm".
Now repeat with me once more: "I am safe in Putin's Russia, I am safe in Putin's Russia, I am safe in Putin's Russia..."
I understand it. When there is confirmation from the Ukrainian side, then it will be appropriate to talk about it here. For now, I can only say that even terrorists act more honestly than Ukraine, because usually some specific terrorist organization takes responsibility for the strike. There is no responsibility - it means that until the end of the investigation it is just an accident. "The Clap with a negative rise of silence", to put it more politically correct. ps I live in one of the safest places in the world, far enough from the scene of events and at the same time my place for this performance is in the stalls in the first row.
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April 25, 2022, 03:48:43 PM Last edit: April 25, 2022, 04:04:10 PM by be.open |
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Do you think that Ukraine is not involved in the explosions in Bryansk? Then it is doubly incomprehensible to me why you are dragging offtopic into this topic, and even falsely accusing me of this when I talk about the role of Poland in this story (which, in my opinion, is very interesting and quite significant). Poland has very specific views on Western Ukraine, Poland has a rather tough political line on the Russian energy embargo, Poland is represented by the largest contingent of mercenaries fighting on the side of Ukraine. The Polish Minister of War recently criticized Johnson aloud for revealing military secrets during a visit to India about the training of Ukrainian soldiers by instructors in Poland. Poland is actively playing its game against the energy alliance between Russia and Germany and is pursuing its interests in Ukraine. This is interesting both in itself and in the context of what possible steps are in this regard in Putin's strategy.
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Do you think that Ukraine is not involved in the explosions in Bryansk? Then it is doubly incomprehensible to me why you are dragging offtopic into this topic, and even falsely accusing me of this when I talk about the role of Poland in this story (which, in my opinion, is very interesting and quite significant).
Two possibilities that I think are most likely: Ukrainians did it; or corrupt Russian generals are trying to mask the extent of their corruption in the face of humiliating failures in Ukraine (see all that fuel... it burned, we definitely didn't steal half of it before this unfortunate fire). Either way this is a direct consequence of the war in Ukraine. So is the alleged "plot" - a very clunky attempt by FSB to deflect from the real news... I mean seriously, a t-shirt with swastika on a secret mission in a foreign country? LOL Now please find something "incriminating" about Finland or Monaco because obviously they're involved somehow.
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Hey, at lest they didn't teleport tanks inside Moscow to ride over civilians or made up Ghost of Moscow to destroy 127 Ukrainian planes That requires something few ranks below utter moron
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Do you think that Ukraine is not involved in the explosions in Bryansk? Then it is doubly incomprehensible to me why you are dragging offtopic into this topic, and even falsely accusing me of this when I talk about the role of Poland in this story (which, in my opinion, is very interesting and quite significant).
Two possibilities that I think are most likely: Ukrainians did it; or corrupt Russian generals are trying to mask the extent of their corruption in the face of humiliating failures in Ukraine (see all that fuel... it burned, we definitely didn't steal half of it before this unfortunate fire). Either way this is a direct consequence of the war in Ukraine. So is the alleged "plot" - a very clunky attempt by FSB to deflect from the real news... I mean seriously, a t-shirt with swastika on a secret mission in a foreign country? LOL Now please find something "incriminating" about Finland or Monaco because obviously they're involved somehow. Do not worry about the professionalism of the FSB, they have extensive experience in countering terrorism. Let me remind you that the Winter Olympic Games in Sochi in 2014 were held against the backdrop of the blazing Maidan, and geographically it was very close. However, they passed quietly and without serious incidents. I think it is in the interests of Russia that the hostilities against the Armed Forces of Ukraine end faster, Ukraine slips into the tactics of sabotage and terrorist attacks, and then a very complex and large-scale military special operation will turn into an ordinary counter-terrorist operation, in which Russia has already eaten more than one dog.
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April 25, 2022, 04:45:49 PM |
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Hey, at lest they didn't teleport tanks inside Moscow to ride over civilians or made up Ghost of Moscow to destroy 127 Ukrainian planes
You're literally quoting a post with links to a made up "terrorist plot" but your take from that is... they didn't make something else up? Does this sound better: Since the beginning of the operation, 99% of tanks and other armored vehicles of Ukraine have been destroyed (2410 out of 2416 vehicles that were in the Ukrainian troops on February 24)
Isn't it amazing how Ukrainians are able to hold the Russian forces with their six remaining tanks.
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Isn't it amazing how Ukrainians are able to hold the Russian forces with their six remaining tanks.
That would maybe impress me if I didn't fight Serbian tanks without any tanks on our side, and under NATO embargo (unlike Ukraine that is basically #1 country in the world by amount of antitank weapons, mostly supplied by same NATO)
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Isn't it amazing how Ukrainians are able to hold the Russian forces with their six remaining tanks.
For some reason, you forget or ignore the military assistance of Western countries, which goes to Ukraine in a continuous stream. About 10 transport planes of military aid arrive daily from the USA through Poland to Ukraine. Caravans of trucks with tanks and other heavy armored vehicles are moving from Europe to Ukraine. Every day, Russia destroys part of the incoming military aid with air- and sea-based missiles at logistics hubs, but I think this is only a small part. Russia's refusal to bomb bridges and railroads sounds strange from the point of view of military logic, but Putin's strategy becomes more understandable in the context of a military special operation. Attacks on civilian infrastructure are a sign of genocide, and the genocide of Ukraine is clearly not part of Putin's plan. Therefore, do not worry about tactical nuclear strikes on the territory of Ukraine - Russia will definitely not do this. Although the provocations of Ukraine under a false flag are still possible.
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April 25, 2022, 05:21:52 PM |
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Isn't it amazing how Ukrainians are able to hold the Russian forces with their six remaining tanks.
For some reason, you forget or ignore the military assistance of Western countries How many tanks did they send?
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April 25, 2022, 05:36:43 PM Last edit: April 25, 2022, 05:47:42 PM by goldkingcoiner |
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Putin: Sanctions can't hurt my mighty Russian military. Russian Military, which had its funds stolen and equipment/weapons secretly sold off by Russian oligarchs over the decades: Putin after realizing he does not have the power to create a new Soviet Union and a long table will no longer protect him from assassination by his own pissed-off generals: Jokes aside, We need to put the Russian Oligarchs as well as Putin at a Nuernberg 2.0 Trial once this is over. The men manning the nuclear missles have heros like Stanislav Petrov in their ranks. Petrov, who disobeyed orders and saved the world from nuclear war. I doubt Russians will let Putin end the world. Russia needs to become a free democracy like Germany after WW2. Maybe the western world will even prop Russia up, like they did for Germany. Their people will thank them in a few decades.
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It is curious that the protest action is openly taking place in the city occupied by the Russians and no one seems to be shooting at them. And there are more people in the queues for Russian humanitarian aid than at these rallies. This video is more than a month and a half old, since then the mood in Melitopol seems to have changed to a more pro-Russian one. The problem is not that you are being lied to. Your problem is that you are deceiving yourself. No, you were deceived. Unlike you, I live in Ukraine and see with my own eyes what is happening here. Russian aggressors are not welcome here, all the people rebuff them. How do you like this news: Unknown patriots liquidated 100 invaders in MelitopolUnknown patriots liquidate Russian invaders in Melitopol. So far, the orcs have not been able to find the avengers, because the whole city is against them. This was told by the mayor of Melitopol Ivan Fedorov. According to him, with the beginning of the occupation, civilians offered peaceful resistance to the enemy. However, everything changed when the occupiers began to kill demonstrators and intimidate them.
“According to intelligence, the destruction of 100 Russians has been confirmed. The invaders are trying to find at least someone, but they cannot, because the whole of Melitopol is against them,” he said. https://aif.ua/society/v_melitopole_neizvestnye_patrioty_likvidirovali_100_okkupantov
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Isn't it amazing how Ukrainians are able to hold the Russian forces with their six remaining tanks.
For some reason, you forget or ignore the military assistance of Western countries How many tanks did they send? The Czech Republic, Poland and Slovenia together sent about 200 T-72 tanks of various modifications to Ukraine. I do not consider German Leopards-1 a serious weapon, but nevertheless. The number of armored personnel carriers and self-propelled howitzers supplied by the West to Ukraine is no longer in the hundreds, but closer to thousands. Also, the West sent anti-tank systems of various types to Ukraine at the rate of ten complexes per one Russian tank. This is only from the West, and there are still huge stocks of weapons inherited from the USSR. Recently, in Balakliya, the Russians took control of the "65th Arsenal" ammunition depot with about 150,000 tons of shells. Ukraine still has a very impressive arsenal of weapons and ammunition, even considering the very serious losses after two months of demilitarization. No, you were deceived. Unlike you, I live in Ukraine and see with my own eyes what is happening here. Russian aggressors are not welcome here, all the people rebuff them. How do you like this news: Unknown patriots liquidated 100 invaders in MelitopolUnknown patriots liquidate Russian invaders in Melitopol. So far, the orcs have not been able to find the avengers, because the whole city is against them. This was told by the mayor of Melitopol Ivan Fedorov. According to him, with the beginning of the occupation, civilians offered peaceful resistance to the enemy. However, everything changed when the occupiers began to kill demonstrators and intimidate them.
“According to intelligence, the destruction of 100 Russians has been confirmed. The invaders are trying to find at least someone, but they cannot, because the whole of Melitopol is against them,” he said. https://aif.ua/society/v_melitopole_neizvestnye_patrioty_likvidirovali_100_okkupantovLol, does Fedorov still think he's the mayor of Melitopol? The mayor of Melitopol - Galina Danilchenko, the city has long been living a normal life, only instead of the Ukrainian hryvnia, the Russian ruble is now in use.
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