Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

When will Ukraine demolish the Crimean bridge, what do you think?

Never in this war.      

[paxmao]

To go out of this situation is simple. It is basically for the Ukraine government to surrender and sheath their swords and allow peace to reign. The Zelensky led government is an agent of the US and are there to understand too. . I know it is achievable for the coubtbut difficult for the Ukrainian government because of the politics around this country. The coming of NATO to the Ukrainian government was the major issue affecting the citizens.

Surrender isn't an option. If you think that capitualtion of Ukraine will bring peace, you're very naive. Yeah, maybe for few years there will be peace. But most likely that it will be only matter of time until Russia will decide to take another part of Ukraine (or maybe whole) as they know that nobody will stop them.
At this moment it looks that most likely that war will end with some kind of peace negotiations. But at this moment nothing will not change until January when Trump will take his cabinet in White House.

More precisely, the moment crude oil goes over 90.

[BADecker]

To go out of this situation is simple. It is basically for the Ukraine government to surrender and sheath their swords and allow peace to reign. The Zelensky led government is an agent of the US and are there to understand too. . I know it is achievable for the coubtbut difficult for the Ukrainian government because of the politics around this country. The coming of NATO to the Ukrainian government was the major issue affecting the citizens.

Surrender isn't an option. If you think that capitualtion of Ukraine will bring peace, you're very naive. Yeah, maybe for few years there will be peace. But most likely that it will be only matter of time until Russia will decide to take another part of Ukraine (or maybe whole) as they know that nobody will stop them.
At this moment it looks that most likely that war will end with some kind of peace negotiations. But at this moment nothing will not change until January when Trump will take his cabinet in White House.

More precisely, the moment crude oil goes over 90.

That's why you should live in Texas... where your gas is cheaper.

Note that if Trump frees up the regs for finding and developing crude, Texans will be making a lot of big money off crude, no matter the price. And the tariffs will shut down any sales to the US from either Russia or Ukraine.

Everybody considers the Venezuela crude. But people forget about the free 'Co-operative Republic of Guyana' which is right next to Venezuela, and has almost as much crude as Venezuela. Being a real free republic, the US can take any advantage of their oil as necessary. We don't even need Venezuelan or Russian or Ukrainian or Middle East oil.

[paxmao]

To go out of this situation is simple. It is basically for the Ukraine government to surrender and sheath their swords and allow peace to reign. The Zelensky led government is an agent of the US and are there to understand too. . I know it is achievable for the coubtbut difficult for the Ukrainian government because of the politics around this country. The coming of NATO to the Ukrainian government was the major issue affecting the citizens.

Surrender isn't an option. If you think that capitualtion of Ukraine will bring peace, you're very naive. Yeah, maybe for few years there will be peace. But most likely that it will be only matter of time until Russia will decide to take another part of Ukraine (or maybe whole) as they know that nobody will stop them.
At this moment it looks that most likely that war will end with some kind of peace negotiations. But at this moment nothing will not change until January when Trump will take his cabinet in White House.

More precisely, the moment crude oil goes over 90.

That's why you should live in Texas... where your gas is cheaper.

Note that if Trump frees up the regs for finding and developing crude, Texans will be making a lot of big money off crude, no matter the price. And the tariffs will shut down any sales to the US from either Russia or Ukraine.

Everybody considers the Venezuela crude. But people forget about the free 'Co-operative Republic of Guyana' which is right next to Venezuela, and has almost as much crude as Venezuela. Being a real free republic, the US can take any advantage of their oil as necessary. We don't even need Venezuelan or Russian or Ukrainian or Middle East oil.

I am sure SOME texans and multinationals will be making the money, not "Texans" in general, but we will ALL pay for the climate change events. BTW US gas and oil is mostly fracking - not precisely the cheapest type. Please, put tariffs on oil

https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/25/fact-check-domestic-oil-more-affordable-than-imported-oil-gas-prices/7723568001/#:~:text=In%20Rystad's%202020%20analysis%2C%20at,cost%20is%20%2444%20a%20barrel.

"Even under the most optimistic view, U.S. production increases would likely add only a few hundred thousand barrels per day above current forecasts," the analysts wrote in May. "This amounts to a proverbial drop in the bucket in the 100-million-barrel-per-day global oil market."

Domestic oil costs more
Looking at what McCarthy actually said — that domestic oil is itself more affordable — the numbers don’t back that up. Saudi oil is easily produced, and transporting it is not a major factor.

"The costs of importing oil from Saudi Arabia are very low," said Eric Lewis, an energy economist at Texas A&M University. "Shipping overseas from a place that has oil export facilities is easy."

In Rystad’s 2020 analysis, at $31 a barrel, onshore Middle Eastern oil fields have the world’s lowest production cost. For deepwater wells, which would include some U.S. production, the number is $43 a barrel, and for North American oil produced through fracking (hydraulic fracturing), the cost is $44 a barrel. Other North American sources cost even more.

But that is irrelevant. Ruzzia goes to war when the price of oil is high. It is an oil and gas exporting country - more of a Petro-state - and finances go very well when oil is up. Just check their few last wars plotted agains the price of oil. As of right now.... and  perhaps thanks to US choosing Trump...


https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

67 at today's rate...  near the 3 year low. I am sure Ruzzia will be very grateful  

[BADecker]

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That's why you should live in Texas... where your gas is cheaper.

Note that if Trump frees up the regs for finding and developing crude, Texans will be making a lot of big money off crude, no matter the price. And the tariffs will shut down any sales to the US from either Russia or Ukraine.

Everybody considers the Venezuela crude. But people forget about the free 'Co-operative Republic of Guyana' which is right next to Venezuela, and has almost as much crude as Venezuela. Being a real free republic, the US can take any advantage of their oil as necessary. We don't even need Venezuelan or Russian or Ukrainian or Middle East oil.

I am sure SOME texans and multinationals will be making the money, not "Texans" in general, but we will ALL pay for the climate change events. BTW US gas and oil is mostly fracking - not precisely the cheapest type. Please, put tariffs on oil

https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/25/fact-check-domestic-oil-more-affordable-than-imported-oil-gas-prices/7723568001/#:~:text=In%20Rystad's%202020%20analysis%2C%20at,cost%20is%20%2444%20a%20barrel.

"Even under the most optimistic view, U.S. production increases would likely add only a few hundred thousand barrels per day above current forecasts," the analysts wrote in May. "This amounts to a proverbial drop in the bucket in the 100-million-barrel-per-day global oil market."

Domestic oil costs more
Looking at what McCarthy actually said — that domestic oil is itself more affordable — the numbers don’t back that up. Saudi oil is easily produced, and transporting it is not a major factor.

"The costs of importing oil from Saudi Arabia are very low," said Eric Lewis, an energy economist at Texas A&M University. "Shipping overseas from a place that has oil export facilities is easy."

In Rystad’s 2020 analysis, at $31 a barrel, onshore Middle Eastern oil fields have the world’s lowest production cost. For deepwater wells, which would include some U.S. production, the number is $43 a barrel, and for North American oil produced through fracking (hydraulic fracturing), the cost is $44 a barrel. Other North American sources cost even more.

But that is irrelevant. Ruzzia goes to war when the price of oil is high. It is an oil and gas exporting country - more of a Petro-state - and finances go very well when oil is up. Just check their few last wars plotted agains the price of oil. As of right now.... and  perhaps thanks to US choosing Trump...


https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

67 at today's rate...  near the 3 year low. I am sure Ruzzia will be very grateful  

And all the while you talk stuff that could go either way, Russia advances over Ukraine. Ukraine would be smart to join Russia since many of their ideals are the same. Then the war would be over.

[paxmao]

Well well well... it seems that Ruzzia is advancing in Ukraine, but dissapearing in Syria BA. I guess that the "little invasion" that was supposed to take Kiev in 3 days has now costed Ruzzia their ally (only ally?) in the middle east. Now, please, keep saying that Ruzzia can take Ukraine whenever they want and they are so big and you like Putin's little dick so much... It is now evident that Ruzzia just cannot hold its strategic position in the world while fighting in Ukraine.

It seems that the "Victory" in Ukraine has already costed them Syria. What next? Georgia maybe?

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Ukraine would be smart to join Russia since many of their ideals are the same.
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You have been drinking again, haven't you?

[BADecker]

Well well well... it seems that Ruzzia is advancing in Ukraine, but dissapearing in Syria BA. I guess that the "little invasion" that was supposed to take Kiev in 3 days has now costed Ruzzia their ally (only ally?) in the middle east. Now, please, keep saying that Ruzzia can take Ukraine whenever they want and they are so big and you like Putin's little dick so much... It is now evident that Ruzzia just cannot hold its strategic position in the world while fighting in Ukraine.

It seems that the "Victory" in Ukraine has already costed them Syria. What next? Georgia maybe?

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Ukraine would be smart to join Russia since many of their ideals are the same.
[...]

You have been drinking again, haven't you?

When you keep talking such stupidity, and in such a stupid way, it's almost not worth responding. Anybody can see that Russia is trying to be nice to Ukraine, but they just won't respond to kindness with kindness.

[paxmao]

Well well well... it seems that Ruzzia is advancing in Ukraine, but dissapearing in Syria BA. I guess that the "little invasion" that was supposed to take Kiev in 3 days has now costed Ruzzia their ally (only ally?) in the middle east. Now, please, keep saying that Ruzzia can take Ukraine whenever they want and they are so big and you like Putin's little dick so much... It is now evident that Ruzzia just cannot hold its strategic position in the world while fighting in Ukraine.

It seems that the "Victory" in Ukraine has already costed them Syria. What next? Georgia maybe?

[...]
Ukraine would be smart to join Russia since many of their ideals are the same.
[...]

You have been drinking again, haven't you?

When you keep talking such stupidity, and in such a stupid way, it's almost not worth responding. Anybody can see that Russia is trying to be nice to Ukraine, but they just won't respond to kindness with kindness.

This is Ruzzia being nice, you little playground psichopath:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-air-defence-engaged-repelling-russian-missile-attack-kyiv-officials-2024-07-08/

Ukraine and Ruzzia "ideals" are exactly opposite. The recruiting age in Ukraine has been stubbornly kept relatively high at 25 years, because the only reason than older Ukrainians are fighting is because they want their children to have a shimmer of hope of scaping the Moscovian rule and actually have a country that they can run and decide upon by themselves.

Now, Al-Asad has left Siria and so has the Ruzzia fleet from the Tartus base - their only proper military base in the Mediterranean. No, Ruzzia cannot keep the game running.

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-says-syrias-assad-has-left-country-given-orders-peaceful-power-handover-2024-12-08/

Dec 8 (Reuters) - Syria's former President Bashar al-Assad is in Moscow with his family after Russia granted them asylum on humanitarian grounds, a Kremlin source told Russian news agencies on Sunday, and a deal has been done to ensure the safety of Russian military bases.

I can imagine the deal... Leave the base, it will then be safe.

Losing Tartous would be a serious blow to Russia's ability to project power in the Middle East, the Mediterranean and Africa, say Western military analysts.
MILITARY PRESENCE IN DOUBT
Influential Russian war blogger "Rybar", who is close to the Russian Defence Ministry and has over 1.3 million followers on his Telegram channel, said the situation around the bases was a serious cause for concern whatever Moscow's official line.

[be.open]

Now, Al-Asad has left Siria and so has the Ruzzia fleet from the Tartus base - their only proper military base in the Mediterranean. No, Ruzzia cannot keep the game running.

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-says-syrias-assad-has-left-country-given-orders-peaceful-power-handover-2024-12-08/

Dec 8 (Reuters) - Syria's former President Bashar al-Assad is in Moscow with his family after Russia granted them asylum on humanitarian grounds, a Kremlin source told Russian news agencies on Sunday, and a deal has been done to ensure the safety of Russian military bases.

I can imagine the deal... Leave the base, it will then be safe.

Losing Tartous would be a serious blow to Russia's ability to project power in the Middle East, the Mediterranean and Africa, say Western military analysts.
MILITARY PRESENCE IN DOUBT
Influential Russian war blogger "Rybar", who is close to the Russian Defence Ministry and has over 1.3 million followers on his Telegram channel, said the situation around the bases was a serious cause for concern whatever Moscow's official line.

You talk so interestingly about Syria in the thread about Russia's invasion of Ukraine, as if it would somehow help Ukraine. Ok, the Russian Aerospace Forces will no longer be distracted by Syria.

[Xal0lex]

paxmao, BADecker be so kind as to end your offtopic about Syria. In the section there is a topic with discussion of current events in Syria, there and continue the discussion, and here we are discussing Russia's war with Ukraine. Then don’t be outraged that your posts are deleted.

[BADecker]

The US banking system has failed against Russia. The fact that Ukraine is losing that dastardly war is proof. Trump wants to get his fingers into that war so that it looks like he is doing something to stop it. He is failing. It's the only way that the West can retain some semblance of control.


Western attempts at crippling Russia’s economy with sanctions have FAILED, warns Putin


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-12-09-western-attempts-crippling-russian-economy-sanctions-failed.html
Russian President Vladimir Putin is laughing at the West with its failed attempts to cripple Moscow with sanctions.

The only thing those sanctions have done, Putin said this week at the plenary session of the VTB "Russia is Calling!" Investment Forum, is strengthen Russia, whose businesses are "adapting and thriving," to quote one media report, with overall trade increasing, not decreasing.

"We often hear that those nations set the goal to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia in political, military and economic spheres, including in terms of economics and technology" Putin stated, adding that "certain nations" have proven to be unreliable trade partners that have only tried to hurt Russia.

“They sought to drastically weaken our industry, finances, the service industry in our country, to create an insurmountable deficit of goods in our market, to destabilize the labor market, to degrade living standards for our citizens."

Not only has Russia recovered from these attacks, but it has also since that time recreated its economy, adapting it to Western aggression – and business has never been better, Putin contends.

The logistics involved with international trade in this new paradigm has allowed Russian businesses to grow and expand their networks with other friendly partners. Overall, there has been a net benefit to Russia's economy.

(Related: Did you know that Russia is considering launching an Oreshnik missile strike on the headquarters of Volodymyr Zelensky in Kiev?)

A new BRICS trading currency to bypass the U.S. dollar

The threat to Western hegemony is palpable now that Russia is also forging ahead with plans to create an alternative trading currency to the U.S. dollar (Federal Reserve Note). Russia is kicking butt and taking names, it sounds like, while the West flounders.
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[be.open]

Did you know that Russia is considering launching an Oreshnik missile strike on the headquarters of Volodymyr Zelensky in Kiev?

I don't think Russia is seriously considering the option of physically eliminating Zelensky. Why, to make him a martyr and a hero, and to replace him with someone more competent and less drug-addicted?

[BADecker]

Did you know that Russia is considering launching an Oreshnik missile strike on the headquarters of Volodymyr Zelensky in Kiev?

I don't think Russia is seriously considering the option of physically eliminating Zelensky. Why, to make him a martyr and a hero, and to replace him with someone more competent and less drug-addicted?

But sometimes you need to do drastic things like this to save the Ukrainian people who are left. I mean, let Z be a martyr. There aren't enough Ukrainians who will immortalize him to make a difference. At least they will live that way.

If the Ukrainians who fled Ukraine returned, Z would be gone from memory.

[DaRude]

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Ukraine and Ruzzia "ideals" are exactly opposite. The recruiting age in Ukraine has been stubbornly kept relatively high at 25 years, because the only reason than older Ukrainians are fighting is because they want their children to have a shimmer of hope of scaping the Moscovian rule and actually have a country that they can run and decide upon by themselves.
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Because anyone cares what Ukrainian "ideals" are?

How Zelensky’s popularity has sunk after nearly three years of war

He may have rallied Ukraine against Russia, but war-weariness and army corruption rows have hurt his image and most voters would prefer he not seek a second term
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Just 16 per cent would vote to re-elect him for a second term, according to an opinion poll of 1,200 Ukrainians published this week by the Social Monitoring Centre in Kyiv. The poll, the most comprehensive study of electoral preferences since the invasion began in 2022, also found that about 60 per cent would prefer Zelensky not to even stand for re-election.
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There is also a danger that Zelensky’s popularity could plummet even further if he goes ahead with Washington’s suggestion that Ukraine should begin sending younger men to the front. A senior official in President Biden’s administration said this week that Ukraine should lower the minimum age at which men could be mobilised for the war from 25 to 18.

So majority of Ukrainians want to end the war as soon as possible, and are open to territorial concessions which would automatically trigger elections in UA, but i'm sure the guy currently in power with just 16% chance of being reelected when the war ends, has some really valid reasons why the war should continue. Not like Ukrainian people can do anything about it (well, outside of another revolution)

[BADecker]

Here goes the joker in power in Ukraine, asking for more destruction of Ukraine by Russia. Will he ever learn?


After US ATACMS Strike On Strategic Target Russia Announces To Retaliate


https://ronpaulinstitute.org/after-us-atacms-strike-on-strategic-target-russia-announces-to-retaliate/
Today that claim turned out to have been premature:

Status-6 @Archer83Able – 13:24 UTC · Dec 11, 2024

The remains of a US-made MGM-140 ATACMS ballistic missile lying on the street in the Russian city of Taganrog following Ukrainian strikes last night.

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AFAIK the target was the 325th Aviation Repair Plant located in the vicinity of the Taganrog-Tsentralny Air Base.

Taganrog, on the norther coast of the Azov Sea in the Rostov oblast of Russia, is where the Beriev Aircraft Company is housed. The company is well known for building amphibious flying boat utility planes.

But it is also producing the Beriev 100 airplane which is the Russian version of an airborne early warning and control aircraft system (AWACS). The plant thus has strategic importance.

The Russian Ministry of Defense acknowledged the attack but claimed that it failed (machine translation):

During the investigation, it was reliably established that six American-made ATACMS ballistic missiles were used.

Two missiles were shot down by the Pantsir missile defense system, while the rest were rejected by electronic warfare.

As a result of falling fragments of missiles, there are casualties among the personnel. There was no damage, two buildings on the technical territory of the airfield and three units of military vehicles, as well as civilian vehicles in the parking lot adjacent to the airfield were slightly damaged (split by shrapnel).

This attack by Western long-range weapons will not remain unanswered, and appropriate measures will be taken.

Ukraine is unable to use long range ATACMS missiles without the intelligence and targeting information provided by U.S. systems and specialists.
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[paxmao]

Did you know that Russia is considering launching an Oreshnik missile strike on the headquarters of Volodymyr Zelensky in Kiev?

I don't think Russia is seriously considering the option of physically eliminating Zelensky. Why, to make him a martyr and a hero, and to replace him with someone more competent and less drug-addicted?

It would serve no purpose. An Oreshnik with nuclear warheads in Kiev would result in radiation spreading to NATO countries, thus an attack on NATO and worthy of an equivalente response. Any other ICBM without load does less damage and has less change of hitting a precise objective less than an Ishkander or Kalibr. dumBAss does not know any of this of course, he is just making up his narratives as usual.

paxmao, BADecker be so kind as to end your offtopic about Syria. In the section there is a topic with discussion of current events in Syria, there and continue the discussion, and here we are discussing Russia's war with Ukraine. Then don’t be outraged that your posts are deleted.

Thanks that is not a problem, I will open a thread specifically to discuss the topic of Ruzzia's issues in Syria. be.open has not been grateful for the 3 merits you've sent him, so I thank you in his name.

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Ukraine and Ruzzia "ideals" are exactly opposite. The recruiting age in Ukraine has been stubbornly kept relatively high at 25 years, because the only reason than older Ukrainians are fighting is because they want their children to have a shimmer of hope of scaping the Moscovian rule and actually have a country that they can run and decide upon by themselves.
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Because anyone cares what Ukrainian "ideals" are?
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Yes, Ukrainians do. Again, they fight because they know there is something better than being under Putin's thumb.

The US banking system has failed against Russia. The fact that Ukraine is losing that dastardly war is proof. Trump wants to get his fingers into that war so that it looks like he is doing something to stop it. He is failing. It's the only way that the West can retain some semblance of control.


Western attempts at crippling Russia’s economy with sanctions have FAILED, warns Putin
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If you say so...

https://news.sky.com/story/panic-in-russia-as-rouble-slips-to-symbolic-mark-against-us-dollar-13262344

The Russian currency has lost a third of its value since August as sanctions following the invasion of Ukraine bite, but while the Kremlin seems unmoved, it is likely to leave ordinary Russians fearing for their financial future.

[BADecker]

Did you know that Russia is considering launching an Oreshnik missile strike on the headquarters of Volodymyr Zelensky in Kiev?

I don't think Russia is seriously considering the option of physically eliminating Zelensky. Why, to make him a martyr and a hero, and to replace him with someone more competent and less drug-addicted?

It would serve no purpose. An Oreshnik with nuclear warheads in Kiev would result in radiation spreading to NATO countries, thus an attack on NATO and worthy of an equivalente response. Any other ICBM without load does less damage and has less change of hitting a precise objective less than an Ishkander or Kalibr. dumBAss does not know any of this of course, he is just making up his narratives as usual.

paxmao, BADecker be so kind as to end your offtopic about Syria. In the section there is a topic with discussion of current events in Syria, there and continue the discussion, and here we are discussing Russia's war with Ukraine. Then don’t be outraged that your posts are deleted.

Thanks that is not a problem, I will open a thread specifically to discuss the topic of Ruzzia's issues in Syria.

Russia doesn't need nukes with Oreshnik. Just a couple of strategically placed non-nuke Oreshniks in Kiev could do plenty of damage to the country.

[paxmao]

Did you know that Russia is considering launching an Oreshnik missile strike on the headquarters of Volodymyr Zelensky in Kiev?

I don't think Russia is seriously considering the option of physically eliminating Zelensky. Why, to make him a martyr and a hero, and to replace him with someone more competent and less drug-addicted?

It would serve no purpose. An Oreshnik with nuclear warheads in Kiev would result in radiation spreading to NATO countries, thus an attack on NATO and worthy of an equivalente response. Any other ICBM without load does less damage and has less change of hitting a precise objective less than an Ishkander or Kalibr. dumBAss does not know any of this of course, he is just making up his narratives as usual.

paxmao, BADecker be so kind as to end your offtopic about Syria. In the section there is a topic with discussion of current events in Syria, there and continue the discussion, and here we are discussing Russia's war with Ukraine. Then don’t be outraged that your posts are deleted.

Thanks that is not a problem, I will open a thread specifically to discuss the topic of Ruzzia's issues in Syria.

Russia doesn't need nukes with Oreshnik. Just a couple of strategically placed non-nuke Oreshniks in Kiev could do plenty of damage to the country.

You obvious do not know what you are talking about. Not in weapons terms, not in economic tersm... let's not fool ourselves, you just open your mouth because it happens to be there. Any ICBM or CBM is massively costly and adds nothing to the military capability of Ruzzia nor any other country other than using it for nuking things. What hit Dnipro was less effective than even using a few drones.

It is all right, keep blabing non-sense.

[BADecker]

Russia doesn't need nukes with Oreshnik. Just a couple of strategically placed non-nuke Oreshniks in Kiev could do plenty of damage to the country.

You obvious do not know what you are talking about. Not in weapons terms, not in economic tersm... let's not fool ourselves, you just open your mouth because it happens to be there. Any ICBM or CBM is massively costly and adds nothing to the military capability of Ruzzia nor any other country other than using it for nuking things. What hit Dnipro was less effective than even using a few drones.

It is all right, keep blabing non-sense.

You entirely ignore that Ukraine stopped. The only reason they are starting back up is that they seem to be getting more US funding. Oh well. Looks like Russia will be growing even stronger, again, as they take out more of Ukraine.

[Branko]

You obvious do not know what you are talking about. Not in weapons terms, not in economic tersm... let's not fool ourselves, you just open your mouth because it happens to be there. Any ICBM or CBM is massively costly and adds nothing to the military capability of Ruzzia nor any other country other than using it for nuking things. What hit Dnipro was less effective than even using a few drones.

It is all right, keep blabing non-sense.

Ah, so that's why Ukraine sent 600 SBU people to lock whole area and prevent video leakage of damage...they want
to spare Russians some embarrassment