Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[Branko]

No, I meant the one in Kyiv.  The one that would be naive and foolish to think wouldn't happen.  Why didn't they have one there?

Ukraine probably consider them losing side in WW2, so thats probably reason.
Us in Croatia have similar problem, WW2 quislings are in power and try to
undermine any traces of antifascism left...we're ashamed of Marshal Tito
been a Croat, imagine that

[Lucius]

Us in Croatia have similar problem, WW2 quislings are in power and try to
undermine any traces of antifascism left...we're ashamed of Marshal Tito
been a Croat, imagine that

What kind of nonsense are you talking about, aren't the children of the worst communists in power since the existence of independent Croatia? See who was the fathers of the current prime minister and this communist fool of the president who shames the state with every statement he makes.

Tito is one of the greatest criminals in history and anyone who still considers him a positivist should be ashamed. 400 000 Croats killed after WW2 are no myth, but you obviously studied history in some other schools. I am ashamed that people like you declare themselves Croats, and we know very well who you really are...

[tvbcof]

2022.05.11 Ukraine Officers Are Abandoning Their Men
https://www.bitchute.com/video/0Pg0I0oET0Rb/

I currently get my highest rated information from on-the-ground footage.  Ukraine isn't my highest priority in life so I really have not validate what Lira is saying here, but such a scenario (Zelensky/Kolomoyskyi trying really hard to get as many Ukrainian soldiers as possible dead and officers bailing) would not surprise me in the least.  Indeed, I have to wonder if some noticeable percentage of 'captured' Ukrainian soldiers/conscripts might voluntarily to switch sides.

About Lira, it's a pretty interesting situation.  It's almost necessary to assume that he is working under the protection of some elements of the internal security apparatus of Ukraine after his arrest.  (Probably before, too, for that matter.)  It's similarly certain that his reporting would not deviate radically from that which his captors/benefactors wish.  That tells me that there are likely deep fractures and a range of motives/motivations within the government.

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Interview with volunteer Adrien Bocquet (in French), who recently returned from Ukraine and talks about a lot of interesting things, including the re-enactment in Bucha, filmed by American cameramen and about the war crimes of the Azov Nazis.

Azov fighters are everywhere. With neo-Nazi stripes. It shocks me that Europe is supplying weapons to neo-Nazis. On their uniforms, SS symbols are embroidered everywhere. Not only do they not hide their views. They advertise them. I worked with these people and treated them. They openly say that they are ready to destroy blacks and Jews.
Being there, there was nothing I could do. Just watch and make videos. I have this footage and will use it as evidence of Ukraine's crimes.
I witnessed how the Ukrainian military shot through the knees of captured Russian soldiers and shot in the head higher-ranking officers.
I have personally seen American cameramen making fake footage from the scene of the events, staging staging.
All destroyed civilian buildings, given out by Ukraine for bombardment of civilians, are nothing more than the result of inaccurate shooting by Ukrainians at military facilities.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine hide ammunition in residential buildings at night, without even informing the residents. This is called using people as a shield.
Bucha is a staging. The bodies of the victims were moved from other places and deliberately placed in such a way as to produce a shocking footage.

[Branko]

Us in Croatia have similar problem, WW2 quislings are in power and try to
undermine any traces of antifascism left...we're ashamed of Marshal Tito
been a Croat, imagine that

What kind of nonsense are you talking about, aren't the children of the worst communists in power since the existence of independent Croatia? See who was the fathers of the current prime minister and this communist fool of the president who shames the state with every statement he makes.

Tito is one of the greatest criminals in history and anyone who still considers him a positivist should be ashamed. 400 000 Croats killed after WW2 are no myth, but you obviously studied history in some other schools. I am ashamed that people like you declare themselves Croats, and we know very well who you really are...

@Paxmao

See? Do you need more proof? Same going on in Ukraine
people like Lucius hate Russia because it sold us weapons so we could kick Milosevic ass

[suchmoon]

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Radio show of a known putinist repeats Putin's talking points. I wonder how that happened.

See? Do you need more proof? Same going on in Ukraine

Exactly, some dimwits there are also proud of "Marshal Stalin" and kill people who think otherwise.

That doesn't make it right though.

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Radio show of a known putinist repeats Putin's talking points. I wonder how that happened.

This guy was in Ukraine for two weeks, he saw everything with his own eyes and he has video evidence. Evidence has no nationality and political convictions - they either prove something, or they are not evidence. I understand that you are mired in the propaganda lies of the West and are ready to reject any opinion that runs counter to yours, but the truth will always find its way, sooner or later.

[suchmoon]

he has video evidence

You linked to a youtube video of him talking about it. That's not "video evidence".

[paxmao]

Us in Croatia have similar problem, WW2 quislings are in power and try to
undermine any traces of antifascism left...we're ashamed of Marshal Tito
been a Croat, imagine that

What kind of nonsense are you talking about, aren't the children of the worst communists in power since the existence of independent Croatia? See who was the fathers of the current prime minister and this communist fool of the president who shames the state with every statement he makes.

Tito is one of the greatest criminals in history and anyone who still considers him a positivist should be ashamed. 400 000 Croats killed after WW2 are no myth, but you obviously studied history in some other schools. I am ashamed that people like you declare themselves Croats, and we know very well who you really are...

@Paxmao

See? Do you need more proof? Same going on in Ukraine
people like Lucius hate Russia because it sold us weapons so we could kick Milosevic ass

Are you sure that it was Russia who helped kicking Milosevic out?

After the London Conference, NATO planned an aggressive new air campaign against the Bosnian Serbs. On August 28, 1995, Serb forces launched a mortar shell at the Sarajevo marketplace killing 37 people. Admiral Leighton Smith, the NATO commander recommended that NATO launch retaliatory air strikes under Operation Deliberate Force.[12] On August 30, 1995, NATO officially launched Operation Deliberate Force with large-scale bombing of Serb targets. The bombing lasted until September 20, 1995 and involved attacks on 338 individual targets.

On regards to Titus, for me has the same level of respectability as any other despot. In my book that's below zero.

[paxmao]

he has video evidence

You linked to a youtube video of him talking about it. That's not "video evidence".

He means "that kind of evidence", I think I need to manufacture a word for it ... "notvidence"..."schproof"..."lie-vidence"... "miss-proof".

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he has video evidence

You linked to a youtube video of him talking about it. That's not "video evidence".

What kind of evidence do you need? That Azov militants wear SS chevrons, torture and kill captured Russian soldiers? That the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use the houses of civilians as ammunition depots and firing points? That the provocation in Bucha was staged, filmed with professional film equipment and sewn with white thread? Are you sure that there is not enough evidence in this topic and are you ready to adequately perceive new ones?

[suchmoon]

What kind of evidence do you need? That Azov militants wear SS chevrons, torture and kill captured Russian soldiers? That the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use the houses of civilians as ammunition depots and firing points? That the provocation in Bucha was staged, filmed with professional film equipment and sewn with white thread? Are you sure that there is not enough evidence in this topic and are you ready to adequately perceive new ones?

As far as propaganda attempts, this is a good effort. You take a known fact (some nazi symbols are known to have been worn by soldiers in this war, some by Ukrainians, some by Russians, but I'm betting you're ignoring the latter one), an unconfirmed video (allegedly Ukrainian soldiers shooting war prisoners), speculation (firing points in "houses of civilians"), and a blatant lie (Bucha was "staged"), and try to pass it all as facts. This works well on Channel 1 of Russian TV and may impress some bitchute viewers in this thread, but for sane people it sounds like the abject nonsense that it is.

[Branko]

Are you sure that it was Russia who helped kicking Milosevic out?

Yes

https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/ja-sam-svjedok-rusi-su-za-vrijeme-domovinskog-rata-naoruzavali-hrvate-a-ne-srbe-1131787

[LTU_btc]

What kind of evidence do you need? That Azov militants wear SS chevrons, torture and kill captured Russian soldiers? That the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use the houses of civilians as ammunition depots and firing points? That the provocation in Bucha was staged, filmed with professional film equipment and sewn with white thread? Are you sure that there is not enough evidence in this topic and are you ready to adequately perceive new ones?

Evidence usually something than just words. If Ukrainians really killed captured Russian soldiers in the way as it was described, I don't justify it, but you really want to say that Russians didn't killed captured Ukrainians? Like one of soldiers from Azovstal which was shown in one Russian video and later photo of him lying shot dead was published. And what if troops who are fighting in Azovstal now will be captured, I'm sure that faith of them will be similar.
Ukrainians use civilian houses as ammunition depots and firing points - with this excuse you can justify all attacks on civilian objects. Like supermarket in Odesa - was it ammunition depot?
And Bucha, I still haven't saw any proof that it was staged, everything shows opposite. And professional film equipment - c'mon, now most of phones can film almost like professiona camera with 4K quality.

[paxmao]

Edited to update: Seems like UKR is obtaining some territorial gains in the northeast near Kharkiv. Not an strategic advance to see, but it shows that Putin's army cannot really hold all the occupied territory without unacceptable loses.

Belgorod is now within artillery range.

Are you sure that it was Russia who helped kicking Milosevic out?

Yes

https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/ja-sam-svjedok-rusi-su-za-vrijeme-domovinskog-rata-naoruzavali-hrvate-a-ne-srbe-1131787

Your source.
 

Russia was our friend and ally in the procurement of weapons in the early 1990s. The Russians supplied us with weapons at the request of France. I am a witness to that - says Marin Tomulić in the conversation we had on Wednesday in Paris. - Now it is considered that the Russians were and remain allies of the Serbs. But during the Homeland War, they armed us, not the Serbs - he adds.

Your source states that Russia sent or sold weapons at the request of France - let's say that is accepted. But, you are ignoring the direct intervention of USA in the conflict in 1999. It was not until this intervention ramped up that the war had a end in sight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars#Timeline

I can see you are looking at only the half of the story - the one that reinforces your views.

What kind of evidence do you need? That Azov militants wear SS chevrons, torture and kill captured Russian soldiers? That the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use the houses of civilians as ammunition depots and firing points? That the provocation in Bucha was staged, filmed with professional film equipment and sewn with white thread? Are you sure that there is not enough evidence in this topic and are you ready to adequately perceive new ones?

You know perfectly well that Russia does not recognise the Azov troops as soldiers, but has classed them as terrorist. If Putin does not intend to give them the rights of fighting soldiers (not that he seems to care much for these anyway) why all this complaints about them doing this or that?

Either they are soldiers in which case all that tatoo checking, filtration, questioning and torturing by Russia is a crime or they are not soldiers in which case you cannot complain about them theoretically not acting under the rules of war.

Apart from blatant lies, you do not even seem to pretend to have equanimity at all.

[suchmoon]

Edited to update: Seems like UKR is obtaining some territorial gains in the northeast near Kharkiv. Not an strategic advance to see, but it shows that Putin's army cannot really hold all the occupied territory without unacceptable loses.

Belgorod is now within artillery range.

Russians are now evacuating a village ~10km inside Russia... can you imagine the confusion of people watching TV where everything is peachy and the "special operation" is achieving all its objectives, but now 3 months in they have to leave their village because... reasons.

https://tass.com/emergencies/1449651

[Tamaperdana]

I don't really understand war yet, but I certainly feel very concerned about the Russia-Ukraine conflict, hopefully in the future the two countries will find a better light.

[tvbcof]

Gonzalo Lira (independent journalist in the Ukraine) - Poland will invade Western Ukraine
https://www.bitchute.com/video/hKh831Kof9sZ/

Maybe Lira is reading my work on this forum.

Zelensky (and, by implication, his sponsor Kolomoyskyi) are talking about a very loose border with 'brotherly' Poland, maybe even to the degree that it won't even be necessary to use the dirty-word 'border' since it conflicts with the woke principles of 'openness' and 'unity'.

Occam's Razor would imply that Zelensky('s various puppet masters) main goal in the conflict with Russia would be to get rid of the nationalist problem when the Western areas go back to their historically 'rightful owners'.

As I (and some others) see it, the Jockeying at this point is centered around who gets Odessa.  A land-bridge would be a pretty sweet plumb in the pudding for the Russians since it implies much more defensible gas line routes for their product (and a lot more rubles coming in in exchange for said product.)  OTOH, certain security arrangements with those who end up in control of the re-born 'der tchum-ha-moyshev' could achieve the same effect and their could be a lot of political reasons (e.g., 'technology transfers' and such) to go that way.

[TwitchySeal]

Gonzalo Lira (independent journalist in the Ukraine)

From conspiracy theorist and incel youtuber that goes by "Coach Red Pill", to one of the few independent journalist in Ukraine, probably the world, that have earned the trust of tvbcof.

[Branko]

Edited to update: Seems like UKR is obtaining some territorial gains in the northeast near Kharkiv. Not an strategic advance to see, but it shows that Putin's army cannot really hold all the occupied territory without unacceptable loses.

Belgorod is now within artillery range.

Are you sure that it was Russia who helped kicking Milosevic out?

Yes

https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/ja-sam-svjedok-rusi-su-za-vrijeme-domovinskog-rata-naoruzavali-hrvate-a-ne-srbe-1131787

Your source.
 

Russia was our friend and ally in the procurement of weapons in the early 1990s. The Russians supplied us with weapons at the request of France. I am a witness to that - says Marin Tomulić in the conversation we had on Wednesday in Paris. - Now it is considered that the Russians were and remain allies of the Serbs. But during the Homeland War, they armed us, not the Serbs - he adds.

Your source states that Russia sent or sold weapons at the request of France - let's say that is accepted. But, you are ignoring the direct intervention of USA in the conflict in 1999. It was not until this intervention ramped up that the war had a end in sight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars#Timeline

I can see you are looking at only the half of the story - the one that reinforces your views.

I'm Croat...NATO intervention from 1999 has nothing to do with our war, which ended in 1995