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September 28, 2025, 04:25:39 PM
Last edit: September 28, 2025, 11:10:49 PM by tvbcof
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I guess Ukraine "winning" is the reason that in last few body exchanges, Russia on average gave 1000 dead Ukrainians and got 20 Russian soldiers back
Russia does not want the bodys back. Without body the families receive nothing, no body no pay.
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Lol!  Project much?  I never did hear what happened to those freezer trailers full of stiff Ukrainians that Zelensky wouldn't allow to cross the boarder.  I figured that he got a grant to at least let them cross to be dumped into pits in Ukraine because it was a bad look in the Western media space.

So your contention is that Zelensky says to Putin:  "I can see your point and the harm it could do to your image among the Russian population, so I'll just do you a solid and hold on to all the dead Russians."  Do I have that about right?

A much more credible argument is that the rumors which have been circulating since the start that Ukraine is deep in the human body parts trade is actually true and that they've been marketing any dead human tissue they can get (or create) and this accounts for the low Russian body count.

The most credible explanation to me is simply the way the war has progressed, due largely to Russian tactical strategy, ends up in far fewer dead Russians on enemy soil.  I also hold to my longstanding contention that the deSlavization of the former Ukraine has been a goal of the Zionazi side from way back when this conflict was in the planning stage.  The goal is to set the table for 'Big Israel' when the Ashkanazis are chased out of the Middle East and back to their origin point in the 'pale of settlement'.


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September 28, 2025, 07:03:14 PM
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Dude, North Korean government send 12,000 troops to fight for Russia including around 500 officers and three generals. Also there are lot of Chinese mercenaries are fighting for Russia.

I wonder when you realize that there has been mercenaries from all over the world fighting for Ukraine already. That's the point of mercenaries, they travel across the world to fight, as that pays well. From Finland as well.

If Russia wouldn't want to escalate tensions in the world, they probably would not try to trigger all the Nato countries by invading Ukraine and constantly violating borders of other countries.
Russia is often telling that they're fighting alone against whole NATO, but actually, it's very far from true. If there would be invovlement of whole NATO, scenario of this war would be different.
While Russia is far from being alone. North Korea is only third part in this war that have sent their troops. And don't forget that Russia is using missiles and drones supplied from Iran and North Korea.
Mercenaries or volunteers is already different story. They come to this war from all corners of world, but none of them weren't sent by governments officially.

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September 29, 2025, 07:07:25 AM
Last edit: September 29, 2025, 03:29:33 PM by DaRude
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The point is, when there are Polish troops being killed in Ukraine, you can't ask them if they were there on their own, or if they are are there under instructions from Poland. They don't answer when you ask them. They are dead. But if they were alive and you asked them, what would they say? And where would you get the info regarding what they said so that you could trust the truth?

The point is, Russia is easily strong enough right now, with Oreshnic, to wipe out Western Europe if that were her goal. And she could probably take out the US with her standard, ages-old ICBM's.

Russia wants to trade with the world... not destroy the world, and get herself destroyed at the same time.
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Dude, North Korean government send 12,000 troops to fight for Russia including around 500 officers and three generals. Also there are lot of Chinese mercenaries are fighting for Russia.

I wonder when you realize that there has been mercenaries from all over the world fighting for Ukraine already. That's the point of mercenaries, they travel across the world to fight, as that pays well. From Finland as well.

If Russia wouldn't want to escalate tensions in the world, they probably would not try to trigger all the Nato countries by invading Ukraine and constantly violating borders of other countries.

So a military block keeps expanding closer and closer to your borders


Back in 2008
Secretary of State Rice, Merkel's security adviser Heusgen and others stood at a bar table. Russia by itself is just one country, the American argued, according to participants, whereas Russia plus Ukraine and Belarus is an empire. She stressed that such an empire, once established, would once again seek to dominate Europe, and that the Kremlin would again pursue an aggressive foreign policy.

Then in 2013
US supports a coup of democratically elected government in Ukraine with the third highest US politician giving out cookies


And then there are sudden civil unrests in two main remaining countries still under Russia's sphere Belarus, and Kazakhstan.

Now, I can see how "If Russia wouldn't want to escalate tensions in the world, they probably would not try to trigger all the Nato countries by invading Ukraine" would be an easy selling point to the uneducated in the west, after all the masses wouldn't even think or cared to consider the other side, what would happen to Russia, the root cause of this all, or why Russia wouldn't even consider invading Ukraine in 2012 and what happened since then? The problem i have is with governments. Surely their think tanks, analysts running prediction models, their ministries of external affairs, their ambassadors, foreign relations... all knew exactly what they were doing and the red lines they were crossing, yet they still decided to go ahead and push Ukraine to suicide itself on a tiny chance that Russia would accept this and willingly quietly just wither away.

But my biggest questions are whether back then those in power in Ukraine were just blindly used as willing idiots, or they realized what they were bringing their people into and their roll in all of this


And after Trump said "In any event, I wish both Countries well. We will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them. Good luck to all!" and Top EU diplomat warns Trump that Europe can’t shoulder Ukraine war burden alone...“He was the one who promised to stop the killing,” Kallas said. “So it can’t be on us.” what people are thinking still pushing Ukraine to continue to fight?



Dude, North Korean government send 12,000 troops to fight for Russia including around 500 officers and three generals. Also there are lot of Chinese mercenaries are fighting for Russia.

I wonder when you realize that there has been mercenaries from all over the world fighting for Ukraine already. That's the point of mercenaries, they travel across the world to fight, as that pays well. From Finland as well.

If Russia wouldn't want to escalate tensions in the world, they probably would not try to trigger all the Nato countries by invading Ukraine and constantly violating borders of other countries.
Russia is often telling that they're fighting alone against whole NATO, but actually, it's very far from true. If there would be invovlement of whole NATO, scenario of this war would be different.
While Russia is far from being alone. North Korea is only third part in this war that have sent their troops. And don't forget that Russia is using missiles and drones supplied from Iran and North Korea.
Mercenaries or volunteers is already different story. They come to this war from all corners of world, but none of them weren't sent by governments officially.

Ah yes mercenaries, great plausible deniability i believed peaked by US with Backwater in Afghanistan. But you're muddying up the water, the all important question is how many mercenaries are fighting for one side and how many for the other and from what countries?

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September 29, 2025, 04:11:09 PM
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Anybody here to help?
Putin needs advice urgendly, accept help from Nato country and save the Novorossiysk crew or screw the crew?
To me it sounds like a lot of bull.
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September 29, 2025, 07:19:56 PM
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According to Keith Kellogg, Trump allowed Ukraine to hit deep into Russia. And also, USA is considering Ukraine's request to send Tomahawk missiles.
Meanwhile Russia is starting to feel fuel shortages. And it's not only in occupied Crimea, but also deeper in continental Russia.

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September 29, 2025, 08:08:29 PM
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According to Keith Kellogg, Trump allowed Ukraine to hit deep into Russia. And also, USA is considering Ukraine's request to send Tomahawk missiles.
Meanwhile Russia is starting to feel fuel shortages. And it's not only in occupied Crimea, but also deeper in continental Russia.

But consider. The only ways the US can help Ukraine in the war are to:
1. Send armament and troops;
2. Send money;
3. Nukes.

The danger in pushing Russia too hard is the destruction of Western Europe... something Trump doesn't want to do because of morals, and the benefits the US gets from European trade.

The Ukraine war will long have been over with Russia as the winner, by the time Western Europe gets its act together on its own. Consider that even though the Russian expansion in Ukraine seems to be slow, it is happening. Ukrainian troops are essentially gone long ago. Western European troops being sent in, is one of the biggest reasons why Putin is attacking harder, now.

When Western troop usage in Ukraine, and drone attacks into Russia, become strong enough, Putin will take off the kid-gloves.

Ultimately the US would be the winner, but it will be the loser because of losses in winning, even though it wins more that Russia. But there is no reason to go there yet, because all of Europe will be lost by the time things get to that point (Russian nukes).

Essentially, Ukraine will fall to Russia, and Russia will get its Ukraine buffer zone against NATO. And all of this is without the BRICS nations having formally entered to help Russia... which nations are changing more and more, to be in favor of Russia because of the general thievery of the US banking system.

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October 03, 2025, 07:56:25 AM
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Some parts of Russia now do the best to help Ukraine, break free and dispose Putin
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October 03, 2025, 02:35:27 PM
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When Western troop usage in Ukraine, and drone attacks into Russia, become strong enough, Putin will take off the kid-gloves.

What makes you believe he is wearing kid gloves?
The people in Ukraine who fall victim beg to differ.

Russia innovated and changed their flight route in the flight, tricking the patriot defenses. 

https://united24media.com/latest-news/russias-new-iskander-missiles-can-outsmart-patriot-defenses-us-intel-warns-10783

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October 03, 2025, 03:05:42 PM
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When Western troop usage in Ukraine, and drone attacks into Russia, become strong enough, Putin will take off the kid-gloves.

What makes you believe he is wearing kid gloves?
The people in Ukraine who fall victim beg to differ.

Russia innovated and changed their flight route in the flight, tricking the patriot defenses. 

https://united24media.com/latest-news/russias-new-iskander-missiles-can-outsmart-patriot-defenses-us-intel-warns-10783

Kid gloves? >>> Not using nukes.

Everybody has forgotten what Nukes can do. If Putin used nukes, there wouldn't be any Ukrainians to do any begging.

Putin is working as hard as he can to develop methods to increase Russian abilities without using nukes... more powerful and capable missiles, for example. After all, he doesn't want any nuclear fallout blowing into Russia.

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October 03, 2025, 03:43:02 PM
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Kid gloves? >>> Not using nukes.
Everybody has forgotten what Nukes can do. If Putin used nukes, there wouldn't be any Ukrainians to do any begging.

There would be hardly any Russian left to enjoy their victory,
Ukraine gave up Russian Nukes on their territory. 

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October 03, 2025, 07:54:40 PM
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Putin is working as hard as he can to develop methods to increase Russian abilities without using nukes... more powerful and capable missiles, for example. After all, he doesn't want any nuclear fallout blowing into Russia.

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No! He's working hard to make sure the war between themselves comes to an end quick. The two things that will happen from this war would be Russia achieving their aim, retrieving these lands which belongs to them ( formerly Russian lands ) either by military drills or massive surrender. Only dump politicians like these European leaders would want to see their nation burn down because they're obsessed with Russia. Putin has no such plans for nukes!!!

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