Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

Apparently a Ruzzia drone has hit Chernobyl. Denials in 3...2...1...

I couldn't capture Kiev in 3 days, well, I'm a disgrace, but they said that the second army of the world

Who in the world wants stupid Kiev? Zelensky is there, and he couldn't take back the Black Sea Corridor. Besides, he got over half a million of his people killed for nothing. All Russia has to do is wait a little longer and the rest of the Ukrainians will be dead. Then Russia can just go in and take Kiev, but still won't. Who wants it?

That is FALSE INFORMATION, the Black Sea corridor has been in continous use by Ukraine. The grain exports have continued, while Ruzzia had to move nearly all the Black sea fleet out of Sebastopol and is under threat even in the further away ports in the Balck sea.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-attacks-forced-black-sea-fleet-move-warships-sevastopol-russian-official-2024-10-20/

Ukraine took and holds "snake island" and has been systematically attacking the Ruzzian navy with sea drones. Ruzzia has clearly lost the Black Sea battle.

It has been proven that despite Ruzzia having Crimea, Ukraine and NATO is perfectly able to reder it useless as and when required.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61759692

How much grain is Ukraine exporting and how is it leaving the country?

Few cargo ships dared to go to Ukrainian ports, and monthly grain exports fell to just over 2 million tonnes in July, August and September 2023.

Ukraine has since established new export routes.

Between the end of the grain deal in July 2023 and the end of February 2024, it shipped about 20 million tonnes of grain to 42 countries, according to the country's vice prime minister Oleksandr Kubrakov.

Know that Monsanto grain from Ukraine is covered with Glyphosate (Roundup) and will make the world unhealthy. Did you get some of it? Sounds like it the way you talk.

Ukraine is conquering the world for Russia with Roundup.

If necessary, Russia can end Ukraine with a few Oreshnik ICBM's... easy.

[paxmao]

Apparently a Ruzzia drone has hit Chernobyl. Denials in 3...2...1...

I couldn't capture Kiev in 3 days, well, I'm a disgrace, but they said that the second army of the world

Who in the world wants stupid Kiev? Zelensky is there, and he couldn't take back the Black Sea Corridor. Besides, he got over half a million of his people killed for nothing. All Russia has to do is wait a little longer and the rest of the Ukrainians will be dead. Then Russia can just go in and take Kiev, but still won't. Who wants it?

That is FALSE INFORMATION, the Black Sea corridor has been in continous use by Ukraine. The grain exports have continued, while Ruzzia had to move nearly all the Black sea fleet out of Sebastopol and is under threat even in the further away ports in the Balck sea.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-attacks-forced-black-sea-fleet-move-warships-sevastopol-russian-official-2024-10-20/

Ukraine took and holds "snake island" and has been systematically attacking the Ruzzian navy with sea drones. Ruzzia has clearly lost the Black Sea battle.

It has been proven that despite Ruzzia having Crimea, Ukraine and NATO is perfectly able to reder it useless as and when required.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61759692

How much grain is Ukraine exporting and how is it leaving the country?

Few cargo ships dared to go to Ukrainian ports, and monthly grain exports fell to just over 2 million tonnes in July, August and September 2023.

Ukraine has since established new export routes.

Between the end of the grain deal in July 2023 and the end of February 2024, it shipped about 20 million tonnes of grain to 42 countries, according to the country's vice prime minister Oleksandr Kubrakov.

Know that Monsanto grain from Ukraine is covered with Glyphosate (Roundup) and will make the world unhealthy. Did you get some of it? Sounds like it the way you talk.

Ukraine is conquering the world for Russia with Roundup.

If necessary, Russia can end Ukraine with a few Oreshnik ICBM's... easy.

It did not happen in three years of war, that should tell you something.

Can you provide any proof of you other off-topic statements?

[BADecker]

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Know that Monsanto grain from Ukraine is covered with Glyphosate (Roundup) and will make the world unhealthy. Did you get some of it? Sounds like it the way you talk.

Ukraine is conquering the world for Russia with Roundup.

If necessary, Russia can end Ukraine with a few Oreshnik ICBM's... easy.

It did not happen in three years of war, that should tell you something.

Can you provide any proof of you other off-topic statements?

Russia wants to happen just what they want. Zelensky blabs because he doesn't have anything else - https://liveuamap.com/?ll=48.11679266819489;37.739980468749984&zoom=8.

No off-topic statements. Search on any of them.

[paxmao]

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Know that Monsanto grain from Ukraine is covered with Glyphosate (Roundup) and will make the world unhealthy. Did you get some of it? Sounds like it the way you talk.

Ukraine is conquering the world for Russia with Roundup.

If necessary, Russia can end Ukraine with a few Oreshnik ICBM's... easy.

It did not happen in three years of war, that should tell you something.

Can you provide any proof of you other off-topic statements?

Russia wants to happen just what they want. Zelensky blabs because he doesn't have anything else - https://liveuamap.com/?ll=48.11679266819489;37.739980468749984&zoom=8.

No off-topic statements. Search on any of them.

You have stated that Monsanto is using glyphosphates in Ukraine and that these are toxic. It is on you to subtantiate your claim. I am aware this may be a completely new paradigm for you, so take a few minutes to process.

Ruzzia takes exactly what the US allows them to take. Not a cm more. You are continuously and I guess purposely forgetting that Ukraine has the most powerful countries in world as allies.

Meanwhile, please see JD Vance and the NATO secretary stating that they want a "lasting peace" and not a Minsk Agreement.
https://youtu.be/o4sca4uRCCU

And for those who were hopping for something else....

https://youtu.be/Rn8o6p6SvB4

And this is Trump's guy saying that NATO is there to stay and needs to be stronger than ever. I hope this is not causing any seizures around here.

[Branko]

Apparently a Ruzzia drone has hit Chernobyl. Denials in 3...2...1...

You have to be special kind of moron to believe that,, lol

[BADecker]

^^^ Support Branko. He's right on. Watch the video in the website below.

The US already has first dibs on anything Ukrainian. Why? Because of two things:
1. In trade for all the money and machines the US sent over there, and interest;
2. Because we made our claim first.

Ukraine has in its historical background, Jews who were not able to hang onto their Jewish heritage. Why were they not able to hang on to it? God is rejecting them as long as they will not accept Jesus as their Savior.


Trump Wants $500 Billion BACK From Ukraine!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCQx04nEr6I
In an interview with Fox News, Trump said the U.S. should get a slice of Ukraine's vast natural resources as compensation for the hundreds of billions it has spent on helping Kyiv resist Russia's full-scale invasion.

"I told them [Ukraine] that I want the equivalent like $500B worth of rare earth. And they've essentially agreed to do that so at least we don't feel stupid," Trump said.

Jimmy and Americans' Comedian Kurt Metzger discuss just how screwed Ukraine has been by this war, from the lives and land lost to the later costs yet to be extracted from the very soil comprising the Eastern European nation.
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[paxmao]

See? There is only one winner on this war. Not Ruzzia. Not Ukraine. Not Europe.

The only thing I would ask is to let Ruzzia bang his head for a little longer so their economy gets uber-fu*ked before getting to a peace deal.

I think that Trump has a very peculiar way of conducting negotiations - like making concessions right from the start just to sit at the table

But, having said that he is perfectly able to say one thing one day and something completely different the next so.... My take is that, while I fully despise the individual, we need to cut some slack and let the US team go about the negotiations calmly. There are many sides to this conflict and oversimplification will not close the conflict.

Apparently a Ruzzia drone has hit Chernobyl. Denials in 3...2...1...

You have to be special kind of moron to believe that,, lol

And here comes the first one

[be.open]

There is only one winner on this war. Not Ruzzia. Not Ukraine. Not Europe.

There is no point in repeating this for the eleventh time, everyone has already understood that you don't give a damn about Ukraine. Well, at least you stopped saying that Ukraine is winning.

[BADecker]

Did Ukraine not really win?


When the war was about to start, many Ukrainians fled for more peaceful parts of the world. They didn't stop being Ukrainians. They just moved away for a time. When times become more peaceful, they will return. Meanwhile, the warrior type of Ukrainians stayed and fought... to the end of their lives. When the peaceful Ukrainians come back, they will be the majority more easily, so that a warring Ukraine can never happen again.


Ukraine accepted $billions from other (mostly Western) countries. Now Trump is requiring the return of the money in the form of resources. How many countries do you know of get the money first and then are forced to pay it back in product... with peace coming along with it. Everybody else sells the product after they have it in hand.


What fairer deal ever happened anywhere, where a country without a leader (Zelensky's term was over some months ago) gets a peace deal forced on them that is good for them? How could Ukraine expect to get a good deal like the US moving in to reclaim its lost product? That's certainly what will happen, and Russia will be happy about it for the things they will be getting out of it... the RIGHT to the Black Sea Corridor, and other concessions.


Zelensky will be gone. Best thing ever that could have happened to them. He'll get his, as is appropriate for him, at the right time.


Ukraine, along with Russia and the USA will be the peace centers for that part of the world. The claim is future greatness rather than destruction.


Seems like Ukraine won a lot.

[paxmao]

There is only one winner on this war. Not Ruzzia. Not Ukraine. Not Europe.

There is no point in repeating this for the eleventh time, everyone has already understood that you don't give a damn about Ukraine. Well, at least you stopped saying that Ukraine is winning.

I am not saying Ukaine is winning - please quote me if I have ever stated that Ukraine is winning in this war (as in the whole war) otherwise do not lie.

Ukraine has pulled out some great actions like recovering Kherson, defending Kiev, taking back land, destroying the Black Sea fleet, that is a fact, but it is not enough to call a territorial victory.

However, Ukraine as of now can also present some gains in political stance, likely better security in the future and better links to Europe, in exchange it is likely to loose some territory. Depending on the negotiations, Ukraine can become a safer, better, more developed country and be properly defended from Ruzzia. This can be presented as a reasonable result of such an unbalanced conflict - if a big bully is going after you and you manage to hit back, make sure he does not come back, make friends along the way and you get a black eye in return... well, you have a black eye, but you have won some important things.

Has Ruzzia achieved marginal gains? Yes - like some territory, resources - probably depending on the negotiations because Trump wants those resources too - in exchange for a huge a amount of military reserves, population loss and many many military pensions to pay in the future - just to mention a few of the problems.

Again, I have always said that Ukraine is not a winner, what woud be interesting is to have some of the resident trolls here saying that Ruzzia has not achieved something you could call a victory.

If you ask me, from the strategy perspective, Ruzzia failed in strategic terms, Ukraine lost in tactical terms. There is no absolute winner - again pending negotiations.

I think that the way to have a winner would be to keep the fight during one more year, with proper resources given to Ukraine so that they could win and Ruzzia gets the message that any further agression leads to nothing. This, even if some territory is lost, I would call a decissive victory.

Anyway, I am not sure Putin will live for the next attempt.

BTW... I was wondering.... let say that Putin gets a compromise of Ukraine not being in NATO... you know, a piece of paper saying so, like the piece of paper that Ukraine got for giving their nukes....

I think you can see where I am going, but for the stupids here, once you have 300 thousand soldiers from EU or USA or for that matter Australia - well fortified with all the logistics and means in Ukraine plus all the right technological means, how much is that piece of paper worth? Who says that Ukraine cannot join NATO then? I guess there is something to be learnt from Ruzzia regarding how little an agreement means to them.
 

[Branko]

Russia is a hero to around 80% world population...that's a big win.
Poor paxmao delusion comes from a fact that he can't understand
that in the future world EU is irrelevant, and UK even more

[farsky]

Russia is a hero to around 80% world population...that's a big win.
Poor paxmao delusion comes from a fact that he can't understand
that in the future world EU is irrelevant, and UK even more

Russia is a hero just like Hamas and Hitler. Of course, there are always people who sympathize with the Nazis and aggressors.
Putin's regime not only kills Ukrainians, but also oppresses its own citizens.

[BADecker]

Russia is a hero to around 80% world population...that's a big win.
Poor paxmao delusion comes from a fact that he can't understand
that in the future world EU is irrelevant, and UK even more

Russia is a hero just like Hamas and Hitler. Of course, there are always people who sympathize with the Nazis and aggressors.
Putin's regime not only kills Ukrainians, but also oppresses its own citizens.

"Putin's regime not only kills Ukrainians, but also oppresses its own citizens."

All regimes do that. Trump is trying to make it way less in the USA. Since 1991, Russia is bring freedom way up. Not as good as the USA, yet, but getting better and better with Trump talks.

Search for it and see that the US of 2014 caused Ukraine to start the war. Feb. 2022 was only Putin becoming firmer in trying to stop it.

[be.open]

Russia is a hero to around 80% world population...that's a big win.
Poor paxmao delusion comes from a fact that he can't understand
that in the future world EU is irrelevant, and UK even more

Russia is a hero just like Hamas and Hitler. Of course, there are always people who sympathize with the Nazis and aggressors.
Putin's regime not only kills Ukrainians, but also oppresses its own citizens.

I understand the depth of your disappointment with the extremely unfavorable conditions that Trump is imposing on Ukraine and Europe in his peace deal.

[codIuni]

Russia is a hero to around 80% world population...that's a big win.
Poor paxmao delusion comes from a fact that he can't understand
that in the future world EU is irrelevant, and UK even more

Russia is not a hero and half of the population is not a Z-zombie

[Branko]

Russia is a hero to around 80% world population...that's a big win.
Poor paxmao delusion comes from a fact that he can't understand
that in the future world EU is irrelevant, and UK even more

Russia is not a hero and half of the population is not a Z-zombie

Every anti-woke person favors Putin...and as we saw in the latest USA elections, even USA has
more than 50% Putin admirers...and about 90% anti-USA people, too, and that's most of the world

Most of nazis after WW2 went to USA and Canada and spread their ideology there, and it shows,
as we saw in Canadian parliament and many other cases

[BADecker]

^^^ Even Zelensky favors Putin. Look at how he hasn't take back the Black Sea Corridor in almost 3 years. Look at how he has cut back on his fighting lately. Must almost be good buddies.

[paxmao]

Russia is a hero to around 80% world population...that's a big win.
Poor paxmao delusion comes from a fact that he can't understand
that in the future world EU is irrelevant, and UK even more

Russia is a hero just like Hamas and Hitler. Of course, there are always people who sympathize with the Nazis and aggressors.
Putin's regime not only kills Ukrainians, but also oppresses its own citizens.

I understand the depth of your disappointment with the extremely unfavorable conditions that Trump is imposing on Ukraine and Europe in his peace deal.

As far as I know, there are no conditions imposed in Ukraine as of now because there is nothing agreed. When negotiating nothing is agreed until all is agreed, except when talking to Ruzzia... in that case nothing is agreed even after everything is agreed.

The fact that there is an Ukraine o which to "impose conditions" tells you a lot about how well the plan of taking Kiev in three days went.

As far as I am concernt the plan would be:

- Guarantees to Ruzzia of Ukraine not joinin NATO in exchange for giving back territory.
- Deployment of 250 thousand EU / US troops, with all the means required to take Ruzzia back to Moscow.

And then... Ukraine joining NATO.

Why would you need to keep any agreement with Ruzzia? They are well-known for not keeping their side so...

[BADecker]

Watch for Trump to drop the sanctions against Russia. He should do it any time since the sanctions are only making Russia stronger. However, it will be a sign that the Trump/Putin plan is on the road.

[Tipstar]

The reason why Ukraine is not called for negotiation along with Russia and USA is Zelensky. Zelensky is delusional, not accepting the ground reality and his only compromise is returning to pre 24th February 2022 condition. It would not be a surprise if Trump sanctions Ukraine until they have an election. There are talks of having a ceasefire for Ukraine to have an election but Zelensky is refusing it to drag the war longer.