Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[LDTC]

Revelation chapter 6, verses 3 and 4 - King James Bible:

And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 
And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. 


Daniel 7 - KJB (priophecy about future kingdoms that shall arise)
Verse 5: And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. 

Bear=Russia
Devouring much flesh=communists cleansing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e8357rVshA

[DaRude]

@dumBAss, look, your leader has left you alone defending shit...

https://youtu.be/p3klUel1mX4

Asked about calling Zelensky a "dictator" he said, literally "did I say that?"

How it started

5 May 2022
[...]

4 Sep 2024
[...]
...

And now...
[...]


Ahh agent Boris is doing what he does the best, don't negotiate, sell your land and then go into economical enslavement for few generations. Now Ukrainian history needs to be rewritten to mention the dark times and how terrible Ukrainians lived on the land they owned back in 2013 but now they should be grateful for this opportunity for such a "deal"

How it started...

2014 - Ruzzia invades and annexes Crimea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Crimea#:~:text=It%20annexed%20Crimea%20on%2018,which%20to%20attack%20mainland%20Ukraine.

I am sure you understand that 2014 is previous to 2022. Was not Boris Mayor of London at that time?

Just to put this into perspective.... Let's say that Ruzza takes some islands from Japan. Japan tries to establish an alliance with... let's say Australia. Then Ruzzia says that "it is a provocation" and invades Japan.

It is not a provocation, is purely self-defence.

I am still waiting for you to provide the list of international observers that validate the legitimacy of Putin as "elected" leader of Ruzzia.

...

Exactly, it all started in 2014, now what served as the catalyst that lead to all these deaths, Ukraine loosing land, and 50% mineral rights on its remaining land? And what role did US play back then, to now claim 50% ownership of Ukrainian critical rare minerals?

[...]
I won't engage in your whataboutism on Putin.

However you did whattabout about Zelensky's legitimacy. Why not about Putin? I am not surprised to see that you have a double standard. It is to be expected when you are trying to make things look what they are not... like all the time, in every post.

Yes, it did not start with a visit of Boris, nor Nulland nor anyone else. It started with Ruzzia invading Crimea, which is opposite to everything you have said since the begining of this thread.


On this one about the money spent, one thing is Trump's narrative TODAY (changes nearly every minute). They US knows very well what they were doing: I put a negligible part of my PIB into something called the Ruzzo-Ukranian war, I suffer no US personel losses, I basically give Ukraine little material and in exchange I blast thorugh Ruzzia's reputation, more than half of their stocks of armour and war stocks (thousands of units) and send Ruzzia into an economic crisis. I call that a great, cheap deal. There is only one winner here.

And now Trump goes even further than that and get Europe to send troops and money to contain and keep Ruzzia wondering if Ukraine will attack and try to recover territory. Masterful.

Why all this....It has a name, it starts with "Chi" and ends with "na". If it goes to war, Ruzzia will not be able to help.

On the narratives, in fact, it changes so much that you are already giving old news:

The US-Ukraine deal will most likely end with a joint venture of the US in Ukraine. After all, what good is to have mineral and energy resources if you do not have money to build the infrastructure. It is a decent deal for both sides. Also, Trump mentioned that despite not being US troops, there will be US interests in Ukraine - if I were Putin, I would be very wary of interfering with that.

The Prime Minister of the UK meet today with the POTUS and, in a joint statement, it was clear that that the money invested in the Ukrainian war was mostly grants and it shall not be returned as credit. It would probably be impossible anyway.

About Ruzzia and its "gains", I am again not surprised you paint this as a victory. I do not mind, the truth is there for everyone to see.

it's incredible how diplomatic Macron tries to be with United States. Always attempting the middle ground approach while getting nowhere. Meanwhile Zelensky is stuck in this impossible position having to beg for support while his country gets hammered.

What's even more fascinating is watching Trump basically shrug off the whole situation. The guy doesn't even pretend to care and seems perfectly fine aligning with Putin's interests. Lmao

France has large economic ties with Ruzzia, like most of Europe to be frank. Europe never wanted this war.

Macron is one of the smartest leaders of Europe, albeit more pedantic than a Classic Humanities PhD. With Trump you just do not say what he does not want to hear.

So US sponsors Maidan, conveniences Ukrainians to suicide themselves on Russia, and now takes 50% of Ukrainian minerals (yeah good luck spinning that as a positive for UA). Russia takes about 20% of Ukrainian land, possibly more if Ukraine doesn't get US security guarantees. EU wasted all this money to support  Ukraine and is now on the hook to continues supporting Ukraine without US, and without Russian resources. And what do Ukrainians get, the ones so happily accepting those cookies at Maidan? A push to mobilize younger lads and Amid low birth rates, war and emigration, Ukraine's numbers are dwindling So you're saying that Ukraine was just used in this big game?

[paxmao]

@dumBAss, look, your leader has left you alone defending shit...

https://youtu.be/p3klUel1mX4

Asked about calling Zelensky a "dictator" he said, literally "did I say that?"

How it started

5 May 2022
[...]

4 Sep 2024
[...]
...

And now...
[...]


Ahh agent Boris is doing what he does the best, don't negotiate, sell your land and then go into economical enslavement for few generations. Now Ukrainian history needs to be rewritten to mention the dark times and how terrible Ukrainians lived on the land they owned back in 2013 but now they should be grateful for this opportunity for such a "deal"

How it started...

2014 - Ruzzia invades and annexes Crimea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Crimea#:~:text=It%20annexed%20Crimea%20on%2018,which%20to%20attack%20mainland%20Ukraine.

I am sure you understand that 2014 is previous to 2022. Was not Boris Mayor of London at that time?

Just to put this into perspective.... Let's say that Ruzza takes some islands from Japan. Japan tries to establish an alliance with... let's say Australia. Then Ruzzia says that "it is a provocation" and invades Japan.

It is not a provocation, is purely self-defence.

I am still waiting for you to provide the list of international observers that validate the legitimacy of Putin as "elected" leader of Ruzzia.

...

Exactly, it all started in 2014, now what served as the catalyst that lead to all these deaths, Ukraine loosing land, and 50% mineral rights on its remaining land? And what role did US play back then, to now claim 50% ownership of Ukrainian critical rare minerals?

[...]
I won't engage in your whataboutism on Putin.

However you did whattabout about Zelensky's legitimacy. Why not about Putin? I am not surprised to see that you have a double standard. It is to be expected when you are trying to make things look what they are not... like all the time, in every post.

Yes, it did not start with a visit of Boris, nor Nulland nor anyone else. It started with Ruzzia invading Crimea, which is opposite to everything you have said since the begining of this thread.


On this one about the money spent, one thing is Trump's narrative TODAY (changes nearly every minute). They US knows very well what they were doing: I put a negligible part of my PIB into something called the Ruzzo-Ukranian war, I suffer no US personel losses, I basically give Ukraine little material and in exchange I blast thorugh Ruzzia's reputation, more than half of their stocks of armour and war stocks (thousands of units) and send Ruzzia into an economic crisis. I call that a great, cheap deal. There is only one winner here.

And now Trump goes even further than that and get Europe to send troops and money to contain and keep Ruzzia wondering if Ukraine will attack and try to recover territory. Masterful.

Why all this....It has a name, it starts with "Chi" and ends with "na". If it goes to war, Ruzzia will not be able to help.

On the narratives, in fact, it changes so much that you are already giving old news:

The US-Ukraine deal will most likely end with a joint venture of the US in Ukraine. After all, what good is to have mineral and energy resources if you do not have money to build the infrastructure. It is a decent deal for both sides. Also, Trump mentioned that despite not being US troops, there will be US interests in Ukraine - if I were Putin, I would be very wary of interfering with that.

The Prime Minister of the UK meet today with the POTUS and, in a joint statement, it was clear that that the money invested in the Ukrainian war was mostly grants and it shall not be returned as credit. It would probably be impossible anyway.

About Ruzzia and its "gains", I am again not surprised you paint this as a victory. I do not mind, the truth is there for everyone to see.

it's incredible how diplomatic Macron tries to be with United States. Always attempting the middle ground approach while getting nowhere. Meanwhile Zelensky is stuck in this impossible position having to beg for support while his country gets hammered.

What's even more fascinating is watching Trump basically shrug off the whole situation. The guy doesn't even pretend to care and seems perfectly fine aligning with Putin's interests. Lmao

France has large economic ties with Ruzzia, like most of Europe to be frank. Europe never wanted this war.

Macron is one of the smartest leaders of Europe, albeit more pedantic than a Classic Humanities PhD. With Trump you just do not say what he does not want to hear.

So US sponsors Maidan, conveniences Ukrainians to suicide themselves on Russia, and now takes 50% of Ukrainian minerals (yeah good luck spinning that as a positive for UA). Russia takes about 20% of Ukrainian land, possibly more if Ukraine doesn't get US security guarantees. EU wasted all this money to support  Ukraine and is now on the hook to continues supporting Ukraine without US, and without Russian resources. And what do Ukrainians get, the ones so happily accepting those cookies at Maidan? A push to mobilize younger lads and Amid low birth rates, war and emigration, Ukraine's numbers are dwindling So you're saying that Ukraine was just used in this big game?

Still waiting for any proof of Putins legitimacy.

US has played Ruzzia all along yes.

US will have a joint venture with Ukraine. Ukraine will profit from investment and jobs, the US will benefit from a reliable source of strategic minerals.

If the US invests in Ukraine, the security is "guaranteed". Unless you think that Putin would try to take e.g. a mine owned by an US company.

EU has invested money in defence and I would not be surprised if Ukraine is given a preferential deal with the EU and could eventually join. Again, Ukraine would get investment and jobs, countries in EU would profit from having a partner who can stop Ruzzia and has plenty of room to grow economically.

The cause of Ukraine seeking a western alliance is that Ruzzia invaded Crimea and annexed it in 2014, not the "cookies".

Ukrainians did not suicide, they fought for having a country that is independent from Ruzzia and they seem to have achieved that goal.

Ruzzia has a population crisis no smaller than Ukraines. Ukranians will return once conditions are adequate.

Ruzzia has taken land from Ukraine, that is obvious. The economy of Ruzzia does not allow for developing the resources of that land and large parts are a wasteland full of minefields.

[DaRude]

@dumBAss, look, your leader has left you alone defending shit...

https://youtu.be/p3klUel1mX4

Asked about calling Zelensky a "dictator" he said, literally "did I say that?"

How it started

5 May 2022
[...]

4 Sep 2024
[...]
...

And now...
[...]


Ahh agent Boris is doing what he does the best, don't negotiate, sell your land and then go into economical enslavement for few generations. Now Ukrainian history needs to be rewritten to mention the dark times and how terrible Ukrainians lived on the land they owned back in 2013 but now they should be grateful for this opportunity for such a "deal"

How it started...

2014 - Ruzzia invades and annexes Crimea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Crimea#:~:text=It%20annexed%20Crimea%20on%2018,which%20to%20attack%20mainland%20Ukraine.

I am sure you understand that 2014 is previous to 2022. Was not Boris Mayor of London at that time?

Just to put this into perspective.... Let's say that Ruzza takes some islands from Japan. Japan tries to establish an alliance with... let's say Australia. Then Ruzzia says that "it is a provocation" and invades Japan.

It is not a provocation, is purely self-defence.

I am still waiting for you to provide the list of international observers that validate the legitimacy of Putin as "elected" leader of Ruzzia.

...

Exactly, it all started in 2014, now what served as the catalyst that lead to all these deaths, Ukraine loosing land, and 50% mineral rights on its remaining land? And what role did US play back then, to now claim 50% ownership of Ukrainian critical rare minerals?

[...]
I won't engage in your whataboutism on Putin.

However you did whattabout about Zelensky's legitimacy. Why not about Putin? I am not surprised to see that you have a double standard. It is to be expected when you are trying to make things look what they are not... like all the time, in every post.

Yes, it did not start with a visit of Boris, nor Nulland nor anyone else. It started with Ruzzia invading Crimea, which is opposite to everything you have said since the begining of this thread.


On this one about the money spent, one thing is Trump's narrative TODAY (changes nearly every minute). They US knows very well what they were doing: I put a negligible part of my PIB into something called the Ruzzo-Ukranian war, I suffer no US personel losses, I basically give Ukraine little material and in exchange I blast thorugh Ruzzia's reputation, more than half of their stocks of armour and war stocks (thousands of units) and send Ruzzia into an economic crisis. I call that a great, cheap deal. There is only one winner here.

And now Trump goes even further than that and get Europe to send troops and money to contain and keep Ruzzia wondering if Ukraine will attack and try to recover territory. Masterful.

Why all this....It has a name, it starts with "Chi" and ends with "na". If it goes to war, Ruzzia will not be able to help.

On the narratives, in fact, it changes so much that you are already giving old news:

The US-Ukraine deal will most likely end with a joint venture of the US in Ukraine. After all, what good is to have mineral and energy resources if you do not have money to build the infrastructure. It is a decent deal for both sides. Also, Trump mentioned that despite not being US troops, there will be US interests in Ukraine - if I were Putin, I would be very wary of interfering with that.

The Prime Minister of the UK meet today with the POTUS and, in a joint statement, it was clear that that the money invested in the Ukrainian war was mostly grants and it shall not be returned as credit. It would probably be impossible anyway.

About Ruzzia and its "gains", I am again not surprised you paint this as a victory. I do not mind, the truth is there for everyone to see.

it's incredible how diplomatic Macron tries to be with United States. Always attempting the middle ground approach while getting nowhere. Meanwhile Zelensky is stuck in this impossible position having to beg for support while his country gets hammered.

What's even more fascinating is watching Trump basically shrug off the whole situation. The guy doesn't even pretend to care and seems perfectly fine aligning with Putin's interests. Lmao

France has large economic ties with Ruzzia, like most of Europe to be frank. Europe never wanted this war.

Macron is one of the smartest leaders of Europe, albeit more pedantic than a Classic Humanities PhD. With Trump you just do not say what he does not want to hear.

So US sponsors Maidan, conveniences Ukrainians to suicide themselves on Russia, and now takes 50% of Ukrainian minerals (yeah good luck spinning that as a positive for UA). Russia takes about 20% of Ukrainian land, possibly more if Ukraine doesn't get US security guarantees. EU wasted all this money to support  Ukraine and is now on the hook to continues supporting Ukraine without US, and without Russian resources. And what do Ukrainians get, the ones so happily accepting those cookies at Maidan? A push to mobilize younger lads and Amid low birth rates, war and emigration, Ukraine's numbers are dwindling So you're saying that Ukraine was just used in this big game?

Still waiting for any proof of Putins legitimacy.

US has played Ruzzia all along yes.

US will have a joint venture with Ukraine. Ukraine will profit from investment and jobs, the US will benefit from a reliable source of strategic minerals.

If the US invests in Ukraine, the security is "guaranteed". Unless you think that Putin would try to take e.g. a mine owned by an US company.

EU has invested money in defence and I would not be surprised if Ukraine is given a preferential deal with the EU and could eventually join. Again, Ukraine would get investment and jobs, countries in EU would profit from having a partner who can stop Ruzzia and has plenty of room to grow economically.

The cause of Ukraine seeking a western alliance is that Ruzzia invaded Crimea and annexed it in 2014, not the "cookies".

Ukrainians did not suicide, they fought for having a country that is independent from Ruzzia and they seem to have achieved that goal.

Ruzzia has a population crisis no smaller than Ukraines. Ukranians will return once conditions are adequate.

Ruzzia has taken land from Ukraine, that is obvious. The economy of Ruzzia does not allow for developing the resources of that land and large parts are a wasteland full of minefields.

Wow you actually are trying to spin in as a positive. If it's that great, every country should get in line to give up 50% of their resources to US. Why Ukraine didn't give up 50% of their resources earlier, hell why just 50% Ukraine should give up 75% because that would even be better!! I'm sure African countries would love such a deal, oh wait...

Umm but Russia was never against Ukraine joining EU! Oh right i see what you're doing now, yes Zelenskyy's great negotiation skills managed to convince everyone to let Ukraine to join EU just for giving up 50% of it's resources to US. What a great leader Z is!

How convenient, you're forgetting that US were the ones supporting Maidan in the first place (before Crimea), and now Ukraine lost a good chunk of population, a good chunk of it's land, and 50% of it's resources on it's remaining land. I'm sure the history books will judge it as a great Ukrainian victory, and great leader Zelenskyy to not sign or follow any peace deals and allow this happen to his country.

[Branko]

Still waiting for any proof of Putins legitimacy.

US has played Ruzzia all along yes.

US will have a joint venture with Ukraine. Ukraine will profit from investment and jobs, the US will benefit from a reliable source of strategic minerals.

If the US invests in Ukraine, the security is "guaranteed". Unless you think that Putin would try to take e.g. a mine owned by an US company.

EU has invested money in defence and I would not be surprised if Ukraine is given a preferential deal with the EU and could eventually join. Again, Ukraine would get investment and jobs, countries in EU would profit from having a partner who can stop Ruzzia and has plenty of room to grow economically.

The cause of Ukraine seeking a western alliance is that Ruzzia invaded Crimea and annexed it in 2014, not the "cookies".

Ukrainians did not suicide, they fought for having a country that is independent from Ruzzia and they seem to have achieved that goal.

Ruzzia has a population crisis no smaller than Ukraines. Ukranians will return once conditions are adequate.

Ruzzia has taken land from Ukraine, that is obvious. The economy of Ruzzia does not allow for developing the resources of that land and large parts are a wasteland full of minefields.

This should be taught at universities as example of "defending undefendable while breaking world records in  twisting and streching"

[BADecker]

Note that Ukraine is populated by people who used to be of the Jewish/Hebrew line. But they have rejected God by rejecting Jesus.

They are still blessed, because nobody can turn God's words aside.

But they are some of the most stubborn people, and 'wily' people around. This makes the whole thing very difficult to understand.

Also note that Russia and Ukraine have been one people in the past. This is why God still protects Russia. The West is full of people who believe in God, even though they would be called 'Gentiles' by the Jews.

[paxmao]

Edited: Seems like Trump went to a press conference with Zelensky so that JD Vance could throw shit at Zelensky and the ask him to be thankful and remind him that he is in a dire straits.

It was funny how Trump got all nuclear (excuse the pun) when Zelensky remided him that the war had been going on during his first term in office and nothing was done  It is much more difficult to provide partial information when you have in front the president of Ukraine that knows the facts first hand.

Obviously this was a show for internal politics consuption, just to show how tought he is with Zelensky and how he is managing the situation. What I found most interesting was what they did not say. Despite putting a show in which Zelensky was basically bullied by Vance (who seemed very proud of himself - perhaps he does not remember what happened to the previous VP), there were no threats of leaving Ukraine nor cutting the deal, etc...

So... according to Trump Putin and Zelensky should both be grateful to him It really takes a Manhattan construction guy to play diplomacy like this

I do not think Zelensky has political ambitions after concluding the war anyway and also I am not sure the Ukrainians appreciate having the simbol of their nation be treated like this so it may actually be good for Zelenky's reputation.

@dumBAss, look, your leader has left you alone defending shit...

https://youtu.be/p3klUel1mX4

Asked about calling Zelensky a "dictator" he said, literally "did I say that?"

How it started

5 May 2022
[...]

4 Sep 2024
[...]
...

And now...
[...]


Ahh agent Boris is doing what he does the best, don't negotiate, sell your land and then go into economical enslavement for few generations. Now Ukrainian history needs to be rewritten to mention the dark times and how terrible Ukrainians lived on the land they owned back in 2013 but now they should be grateful for this opportunity for such a "deal"

How it started...

2014 - Ruzzia invades and annexes Crimea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Crimea#:~:text=It%20annexed%20Crimea%20on%2018,which%20to%20attack%20mainland%20Ukraine.

I am sure you understand that 2014 is previous to 2022. Was not Boris Mayor of London at that time?

Just to put this into perspective.... Let's say that Ruzza takes some islands from Japan. Japan tries to establish an alliance with... let's say Australia. Then Ruzzia says that "it is a provocation" and invades Japan.

It is not a provocation, is purely self-defence.

I am still waiting for you to provide the list of international observers that validate the legitimacy of Putin as "elected" leader of Ruzzia.

...

Exactly, it all started in 2014, now what served as the catalyst that lead to all these deaths, Ukraine loosing land, and 50% mineral rights on its remaining land? And what role did US play back then, to now claim 50% ownership of Ukrainian critical rare minerals?

[...]
I won't engage in your whataboutism on Putin.

However you did whattabout about Zelensky's legitimacy. Why not about Putin? I am not surprised to see that you have a double standard. It is to be expected when you are trying to make things look what they are not... like all the time, in every post.

Yes, it did not start with a visit of Boris, nor Nulland nor anyone else. It started with Ruzzia invading Crimea, which is opposite to everything you have said since the begining of this thread.


On this one about the money spent, one thing is Trump's narrative TODAY (changes nearly every minute). They US knows very well what they were doing: I put a negligible part of my PIB into something called the Ruzzo-Ukranian war, I suffer no US personel losses, I basically give Ukraine little material and in exchange I blast thorugh Ruzzia's reputation, more than half of their stocks of armour and war stocks (thousands of units) and send Ruzzia into an economic crisis. I call that a great, cheap deal. There is only one winner here.

And now Trump goes even further than that and get Europe to send troops and money to contain and keep Ruzzia wondering if Ukraine will attack and try to recover territory. Masterful.

Why all this....It has a name, it starts with "Chi" and ends with "na". If it goes to war, Ruzzia will not be able to help.

On the narratives, in fact, it changes so much that you are already giving old news:

The US-Ukraine deal will most likely end with a joint venture of the US in Ukraine. After all, what good is to have mineral and energy resources if you do not have money to build the infrastructure. It is a decent deal for both sides. Also, Trump mentioned that despite not being US troops, there will be US interests in Ukraine - if I were Putin, I would be very wary of interfering with that.

The Prime Minister of the UK meet today with the POTUS and, in a joint statement, it was clear that that the money invested in the Ukrainian war was mostly grants and it shall not be returned as credit. It would probably be impossible anyway.

About Ruzzia and its "gains", I am again not surprised you paint this as a victory. I do not mind, the truth is there for everyone to see.

it's incredible how diplomatic Macron tries to be with United States. Always attempting the middle ground approach while getting nowhere. Meanwhile Zelensky is stuck in this impossible position having to beg for support while his country gets hammered.

What's even more fascinating is watching Trump basically shrug off the whole situation. The guy doesn't even pretend to care and seems perfectly fine aligning with Putin's interests. Lmao

France has large economic ties with Ruzzia, like most of Europe to be frank. Europe never wanted this war.

Macron is one of the smartest leaders of Europe, albeit more pedantic than a Classic Humanities PhD. With Trump you just do not say what he does not want to hear.

So US sponsors Maidan, conveniences Ukrainians to suicide themselves on Russia, and now takes 50% of Ukrainian minerals (yeah good luck spinning that as a positive for UA). Russia takes about 20% of Ukrainian land, possibly more if Ukraine doesn't get US security guarantees. EU wasted all this money to support  Ukraine and is now on the hook to continues supporting Ukraine without US, and without Russian resources. And what do Ukrainians get, the ones so happily accepting those cookies at Maidan? A push to mobilize younger lads and Amid low birth rates, war and emigration, Ukraine's numbers are dwindling So you're saying that Ukraine was just used in this big game?

Still waiting for any proof of Putins legitimacy.

US has played Ruzzia all along yes.

US will have a joint venture with Ukraine. Ukraine will profit from investment and jobs, the US will benefit from a reliable source of strategic minerals.

If the US invests in Ukraine, the security is "guaranteed". Unless you think that Putin would try to take e.g. a mine owned by an US company.

EU has invested money in defence and I would not be surprised if Ukraine is given a preferential deal with the EU and could eventually join. Again, Ukraine would get investment and jobs, countries in EU would profit from having a partner who can stop Ruzzia and has plenty of room to grow economically.

The cause of Ukraine seeking a western alliance is that Ruzzia invaded Crimea and annexed it in 2014, not the "cookies".

Ukrainians did not suicide, they fought for having a country that is independent from Ruzzia and they seem to have achieved that goal.

Ruzzia has a population crisis no smaller than Ukraines. Ukranians will return once conditions are adequate.

Ruzzia has taken land from Ukraine, that is obvious. The economy of Ruzzia does not allow for developing the resources of that land and large parts are a wasteland full of minefields.

Wow you actually are trying to spin in as a positive. If it's that great, every country should get in line to give up 50% of their resources to US. Why Ukraine didn't give up 50% of their resources earlier, hell why just 50% Ukraine should give up 75% because that would even be better!! I'm sure African countries would love such a deal, oh wait...

Umm but Russia was never against Ukraine joining EU! Oh right i see what you're doing now, yes Zelenskyy's great negotiation skills managed to convince everyone to let Ukraine to join EU just for giving up 50% of it's resources to US. What a great leader Z is!

How convenient, you're forgetting that US were the ones supporting Maidan in the first place (before Crimea), and now Ukraine lost a good chunk of population, a good chunk of it's land, and 50% of it's resources on it's remaining land. I'm sure the history books will judge it as a great Ukrainian victory, and great leader Zelenskyy to not sign or follow any peace deals and allow this happen to his country.

Again, there is only one victorious party on this. It is not Ruzzia, it is not Ukraine.

I am describing what seems to be the current status of negotiations. There is no positive spin and very little opion.

US has confirmed their intention to partner with Ukraine for mineral resouces. Not opinion.

Ruzzia has a galloping inflation, interest rates at 21% and a population crisis. Not opinion.

Ukraine is still a country. Not opinion.

Ruzzia has burnt through 800k young people and thousands of armored vehicles, artillery pieces and other stocks.

EU has always shown interest in trading with Ukraine. Not opinion.

I am not forgetting anything. Ruzzia invaded Crimea - not opinion. Any country suffering such invasion would consider their options.

There is no positive spin, this is what is happening from the Ukranian side. Nobody would call this a victory, nobody would call this a defeat.

Still awaiting for any proof of Putin's legitimacy to govern.

[Branko]

The Russian ruble has appreciated significantly this year, gaining 24% against the U.S. dollar and 15% against the Chinese yuan.

[tvbcof]

Even while knowing it's all staged WWE shit, I cannot help watching a little from time to time.  Like the Trump/whatever-the-VPs-name-is VS. The Little Green Goblin today.

I hope that someone sends more appropriate attire to LGG for his next appearance.  A gimp suit would be most fitting.  Indeed, LGG has been passed around to a series of oligarchs and Western intel agency personnel for his whole career.  The LGG was loaned out to Macron by the CIA a few months ago and Macron has grown bored of him already.

[hellflame]

I live in Paxmania, in a luxury road underpass with seven dogs or maybe I am an evolved AI living in a cloud server in an unnamed island in the Pacific.

When the "party line" does not serve the public, the "party" is launched into obvlion, pacefully (unless is Trump) and quickly. There are many examples of parties and individuals that go from government to even non-existance. And you do not have to wait for the dictator to die, have a violent revolution nor anything else.

Your argument is "since it is not perfect, it is not good". To that, I can answer with



If people do not like those who choose people they went to school with, they can vote for other. For a moment I was not sure you were talking about Boris (UK), Trump, Berlusconi (Italy), Aznar (Spain)... they all gave ranks to family.

If they do not like Putin... well, they can always try to go to another country I guess.

Bottomline, Zelensky has been elected, so if you do not like it ... vote for another. I mean if you were Ukrainian, else too bad.

Moot ...the point is no leader "elected" "unelected" "king" or "dictator" cares about those they govern no matter what political system they belong to. You are either are in the club or you are out ..you either have or go without. If Putin was replaced by the Russian people it would only be someone who is useful to another faction or they would not last very long either unless they can be brought around to TPTB's way of thinking.

The whole public berating of Mr Zelensky yesterday was a scene from the stage play of the production called Ukraine.

[paxmao]

The news is about the failed Zelensky-Trump meeting. JD Vance started playing the "wise knowitall" with stupid comments that sound nice but are crap and that actually helped visualise the problem.

One of the Kremlin red lines seems to be leaving Ukraine defenceless - AKA without security guarantees.

The US considers that the fact that they have economic interests in Ukraine is enough to stop Putin. However, Zelensky, that at this point knows more than anyone about Ruzzian "diplomacy", has pointed out that there were already tens of US companies doing business in Ukraine and that did not stop Putin.

There is a need to accept that complying with international treaties for Ruzzia is just "optional". The way to secure peace is to make sure that Ruzzia clearly sees that attacking may risk - not their people, not their industry, not their weapons - but their leadership, in first person. That can only be achieved with a wide trusted alliance that clearly commits to stop further agressions.

I guess Ukraine can accept many conditions and deals and trades, but eventually it needs to be a country that is reasonably safe from furter invasion. Apart from territory and resources, that is the main reason why this war is fought and there is no point in closing it just to have Ruzzia re-armed and invade again in a few years.

There are other considerations about how most leaders of the world have expressed their support for Zelensky, if Zelensky should have made the disagreement so public or if there is some coreography about the whole thing, but the bottom line is creating a lasting, secure Ukraine that also creates a secure, safe Europe.

The Russian ruble has appreciated significantly this year, gaining 24% against the U.S. dollar and 15% against the Chinese yuan.

And it will last as long as people think there is going to be peace, that funds will be unfrozen and there's 20% interest in Ruble bonds. Oh, and as long as the debt that has been hidden in the companies across Ruzzia is not accounted for at country level.

I live in Paxmania, in a luxury road underpass with seven dogs or maybe I am an evolved AI living in a cloud server in an unnamed island in the Pacific.

When the "party line" does not serve the public, the "party" is launched into obvlion, pacefully (unless is Trump) and quickly. There are many examples of parties and individuals that go from government to even non-existance. And you do not have to wait for the dictator to die, have a violent revolution nor anything else.

Your argument is "since it is not perfect, it is not good". To that, I can answer with



If people do not like those who choose people they went to school with, they can vote for other. For a moment I was not sure you were talking about Boris (UK), Trump, Berlusconi (Italy), Aznar (Spain)... they all gave ranks to family.

If they do not like Putin... well, they can always try to go to another country I guess.

Bottomline, Zelensky has been elected, so if you do not like it ... vote for another. I mean if you were Ukrainian, else too bad.

Moot ...the point is no leader "elected" "unelected" "king" or "dictator" cares about those they govern no matter what political system they belong to. You are either are in the club or you are out ..you either have or go without. If Putin was replaced by the Russian people it would only be someone who is useful to another faction or they would not last very long either unless they can be brought around to TPTB's way of thinking.

Factions, groups and interests are part of democracy. The key is to have ultimate accontability to the people and having the posibility of changing the government without violence instead of governing by military force.

BTW not all democracies as of the same quality and they do not always stay with the same quality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

[BADecker]

^^^ You still haven't figured it out, have you. As long as Zelensky hangs onto the martial law that he is hanging onto, there isn't any Ukraine. It's all Z-land.

Can't blame you much, though. Most Ukrainians haven't realized that their land is lost to Z. In fact, most of the world wants to play with the idea that Ukraine still exists.

Sure, Z might simply be a puppet. But as long as he is alive and maintains control of the so-called martial law, it's really his own country and not Ukraine at all.

[paxmao]

FACTS:

- Ukraine is a country recognised by nearly all the members of United Nations since 1991.
- There is martial law in Ukraine because there is a war in Ukraine, which is the reason that law is still in effect. This is not under Zelensky's control, but the pairlament of Ukraine.
- Ukraine still exists as much as the US, China or any other country. They have a government, institutions, the ability to defend themselves and, most importantly, a football team.

[BADecker]

FACTS:

- As long as Zelensky has martial law authority over the land called Ukraine, he is dictator over a land that is Ukraine only in name, but is really his land.
- Ukraine exists only in the minds of other people until Z gives up his martial law dictatorship, is assassinated, or is deposed.
- The above is demonstrated constantly by the orders that Z gives and that are followed by other people. If it were not so, they would not follow his orders, since there are plenty of people in Z-land (and without) who don't like what Z orders.

[paxmao]

FACTS:

- As long as Zelensky has martial law authority over the land called Ukraine, he is dictator over a land that is Ukraine only in name, but is really his land.
- Ukraine exists only in the minds of other people until Z gives up his martial law dictatorship, is assassinated, or is deposed.
- The above is demonstrated constantly by the orders that Z gives and that are followed by other people. If it were not so, they would not follow his orders, since there are plenty of people in Z-land (and without) who don't like what Z orders.

That is FALSE INFORMATION. You can keep repeating, but it is still false and it only reflects on your credibility:

Zelensky was elected in internationally observed free elections by the Ukrainians.

The martial law is not only legal and constitutional, it is actually mandated and approved by the Ukrainian pairlament because there is a war.

Ukraine is an internationally recognised country since 1991.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

Ukraine gained independence in 1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved and declared itself neutral.
[...]  independence was proclaimed on 24 August 1991.[138] It was approved by 92% of the Ukrainian electorate in a referendum on 1 December.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_of_Ukraine

The United States did so on 25 December 1991.[16][17] That month the independence of Ukraine was recognized by 68 states, and in 1992 it was recognized by another 64 states.[18]

And on this very peculiar idea of yours....

- The above is demonstrated constantly by the orders that Z gives and that are followed by other people. If it were not so, they would not follow his orders, since there are plenty of people in Z-land (and without) who don't like what Z orders.

Just a little change and...

- The above is demonstrated constantly by the orders that TRUMP gives and that are followed by other people. If it were not so, they would not follow his orders, since there are plenty of people in TRUMP-land (and without) who don't like what TRUMP orders.

So by that argument... anyone who gives orders that some do not like is a dictator. You are high on something??

And BTW your beloved Trump agrees now that he is not a dictator.

https://youtu.be/VYfAvwYqI1A

[LazerRazer]

I think Zelensky didn't swear, but simply put Trump and Vance in their place! And in general, according to the regulations, Vance should not have been sitting next to him and asking questions on a par with Trump! There should be interpreters in their places.

[paxmao]

I think Zelensky didn't swear, but simply put Trump and Vance in their place! And in general, according to the regulations, Vance should not have been sitting next to him and asking questions on a par with Trump! There should be interpreters in their places.

The chat in my view was very insighful, despite the posibility of it being staged. The key points are as follow:

1 - Trump needs to show he is in control. He is permanently trying to project the image of a strong leader and that is perfectly rational, because weak leaders put their countries at risk.

What I find wrong in that strategy is that appearing strong by using JD Clown to (try) humilliating you guests, in your office, before the press with highly biased arguments does not project strenght, but exactly the opposite. It was very wrong and a tactical mistake.

2 - Trump wants to show that he is "doing a favour" to Ukraine. Zelensky pointed out that, while that may be correct, Trump is mostly acting on the geostrategic interest of the US ("you will feel the presure" sent Trump into nuclear mode, because it is true).

Thus, there are no favours here. If Trump botches the Ukraine deal,  there will be many countries out there watching it - yes, that is China and Iran.

3 - Ruzzia has similar if not bigger problems "showing strength". And Putin needs it even more that the US, because Georgia, Armenia and others are also watching.

Despite showing plenty of resilience and muscle, taking and defending the "land bridge to Crimea", the "Kiev in three" days failed and three years of war, regardless of taking a chunk of Ukraine, nobody can call this a display of overwhelming power in any sense. This includes some notorious big fails in the sea. You may debate about what Ruzzia has at the moment as victory or not, it is largely irrelevant and semantic. What it is certainly not is something that shows undisputed power.

Thus, the dilema is that Putin at this point needs to show a measure of unquestionable success... and cannot. The main strategy of Ruzzia on this war has been the Martingale AKA doubling down. Anyone who has played Roulette with that strategy knows that it cannot be played forever.

4 - Zelensky's dilema is to have a war, loose territory and still not being able to achieve a lasting peace. Right or wrong, the perception in Ukraine is that deals with Ruzzia are not even worth the ink in the paper. Anything that is not a pure display of force or a clear perception that any further attacks on Ukraine will only deal more and more pain cannot be accepted.

5 - Trump knows this and he does not have a solution. There is no magic. Ruzzia is not ready to negotiate, Ukraine cannot accept the current terms.

Trumps solution is what DJ Clown called "a chance for Diplomacy". I am not sure what he means. He should and probably knows that Ruzzia is not deterred by diplomacy. Last time Ukraine accepted diplomacy and trusted the promise of the US (Budapest Memorandum) they gave all their nukes and strategic bombers and Ruzzia still invaded Crimea (US did nothing), sent an irregular army to the Donbas (US did nothing).

Diplomacy is much much more effective when the person doing the talk has 10.000 tanks a mile from the location.

5 - JD Clown is simply licking Trump ass. He has no dilema and he is very good in making biased questions. Despite that, he still made an interesting revelation: Trump is extremely unhappy at the fact that Zelensky thanked Biden and displayed alignment with him.

All that "have you said thanks" looked very lame - Zelensky has said thanks many times, although one should reckon that is "thanks, but I would need more to finish this".

And I guess that is my final point. Ukraine cannot accept a peace without future safety, Ruzzia does not have enough reasons to stop and has not made sufficiently the point of being a "superpower".

One way of bringing them to the table would be to provide definitive power to Ukraine so that Ruzzia clearly sees that there is no more to gain and there is certainly clarity of loosing publicly and noticeably. This for example is a way to do it.

Another way would be to give in and get ready for a war in 2 or 3 years.

I am not sure all this at the WH was not fully staged by US to get Europe to go support Ukraine, which seems to be happening.

[Branko]

While the Kharkov cemetery is growing so much that it can probably be seen from space, others are investing all their resources in spreading the war. It should be known that a large part of the money, including this loan of 2.26 billion pounds, is not going into weapons, but into the salaries and pensions of corrupt politicians, primarily the Ukrainian Parliament, i.e. the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, and if you want to see the real situation in Ukraine, you just need to cut off their money flow.
In contrast, while some claim that it is impossible to negotiate with Putin, Ukrainian Ambassador Oleksandr Chalyi, who participated in peace negotiations with Russia, confirms that Putin "tried everything" to reach a peace agreement in early 2022 before the USA and the United Kingdom sabotaged the peace and got the planned war. The fact that this "war machine" has been using Ukraine as a potential weapon against Russia for almost 80 years. It is known that back in 2001, Putin “actively called for Russia’s membership in NATO, trying to become the most important ally of the US, and also proposed the construction of a Greater Europe stretching from Lisbon to Vladivostok. In fact, he gave a speech in the Bundestag in German in which he declared Russia’s European choice and strongly encouraged the exchange of capital assets for the creation of a common economic space. Only further circumstances directed him to the internal affairs of the Russian Federation, ultimately abandoning his dreams of a “Greater Europe” in favor of a “Greater Eurasia”.
“Now I will say a forbidden thought. Of all three involved in this [Russia, the West, Ukraine], only Russia wants peace.” — says Arestovich, a former advisor to Zelensky Arestovich who has now added a candidacy for president of Ukraine to his profile description.

[LTU_btc]

“Now I will say a forbidden thought. Of all three involved in this [Russia, the West, Ukraine], only Russia wants peace.” — says Arestovich, a former advisor to Zelensky Arestovich who has now added a candidacy for president of Ukraine to his profile description.

It's funny thing that you're quoting Arestovich now. Guy who is desperately trying to be somehow relevant and get some attention. But he has lied so many times that his words is worth nothing. Similar things can be said about Gordon and few other public figures. But offcourse that you will quote everything what fits your narrative.

[BADecker]

“Now I will say a forbidden thought. Of all three involved in this [Russia, the West, Ukraine], only Russia wants peace.” — says Arestovich, a former advisor to Zelensky Arestovich who has now added a candidacy for president of Ukraine to his profile description.

It's funny thing that you're quoting Arestovich now. Guy who is desperately trying to be somehow relevant and get some attention. But he has lied so many times that his words is worth nothing. Similar things can be said about Gordon and few other public figures. But offcourse that you will quote everything what fits your narrative.

And dictator Zelensky tolerates them because he's too busy to even notice their silliness.

But Putin watches all this, and is wondering if he can bring the US into agreement with him.


Putin-Trump Summit Being Expedited In Wake Of Zelensky White House Row


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-trump-summit-being-expedited-wake-zelensky-white-house-row
CNN reports that a summit between Presidents Trump and Putin is now being fast-tracked in the wake of the explosive row with Zelensky, which saw him booted from the White House before a planned lunch was to take place Friday.

Last month saw talks in Riyadh aimed at fully restoring US-Russia relations end on a positive note between the delegations headed by Rubio and Lavrov. There was a follow-on meeting in Istanbul, leading to the restaffing of embassies (which had previously seen a tit-for-tat booting of diplomatic staff).

CNN writes in a fresh Monday report, "Whether it was orchestrated or not, Moscow – which reacted with glee to the White House slanging match – is now anticipating talks aimed at rebuilding the US-Russia relationship will continue, even accelerate, in the weeks ahead."
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