Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[Branko]

“Now I will say a forbidden thought. Of all three involved in this [Russia, the West, Ukraine], only Russia wants peace.” — says Arestovich, a former advisor to Zelensky Arestovich who has now added a candidacy for president of Ukraine to his profile description.

It's funny thing that you're quoting Arestovich now. Guy who is desperately trying to be somehow relevant and get some attention. But he has lied so many times that his words is worth nothing. Similar things can be said about Gordon and few other public figures. But offcourse that you will quote everything what fits your narrative.

If you want to check the whole thread, first time I quoted him 2-3 years ago

[Violatoor]

Does Trump want Ukraine to lose? Why does Trump love Putin so much?

[Branko]

Does Trump want Ukraine to lose? Why does Trump love Putin so much?

maybe he loves USA more than he loves Ukraine (or Russia)

Although he probably loves himself the most

[StPeterssess]

The United States will not stop helping, you'll see

[Shova]

Even the Europeans are now fed up dealing with Zelensky. They wanted to talk about ceasefire while Zelensky demand to nuke Russia.
It's highly likely for Europe to disown Zelensky if he insist on more money and nukes. We may see change in Ukranian leadership soon.

[paxmao]

Does Trump want Ukraine to lose? Why does Trump love Putin so much?

maybe he loves USA more than he loves Ukraine (or Russia)

Although he probably loves himself the most

Trump wants the Nobel Peace price, because he feels that if Obama can have one, he should have like two or three. However, he is now facing how simple answers to complex problems are wrong answers.

Even the Europeans are now fed up dealing with Zelensky. They wanted to talk about ceasefire while Zelensky demand to nuke Russia.
It's highly likely for Europe to disown Zelensky if he insist on more money and nukes. We may see change in Ukranian leadership soon.

This is a FALSE NARRATIVE:

Another Ruzzian bot invading the thread.

1 - The UK and EU leaders meet in the last few days to create "the coalition of the willing" to support Ukraine with our without US.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/3/russia-ukraine-war-whats-a-coalition-of-the-willing-europes-new-plan

Zelenskyy received assurances of support on Sunday from his European allies at a security summit in London hurriedly arranged by Starmer, who greeted the Ukrainian leader with a hug.

2 - Zelensky has never demanded to nuke anything. This is FALSE INFORMATION.

4 -  The US is not "feed up" with Ukraine, they want to force a cease-fire without guarantees for Ukraine, which is something that could have been done two years ago but it was and still is unacceptable to at least one of the parties, probably to the EU too.

[DaRude]

The news is about the failed Zelensky-Trump meeting. JD Vance started playing the "wise knowitall" with stupid comments that sound nice but are crap and that actually helped visualise the problem.

One of the Kremlin red lines seems to be leaving Ukraine defenceless - AKA without security guarantees.

The US considers that the fact that they have economic interests in Ukraine is enough to stop Putin. However, Zelensky, that at this point knows more than anyone about Ruzzian "diplomacy", has pointed out that there were already tens of US companies doing business in Ukraine and that did not stop Putin.

There is a need to accept that complying with international treaties for Ruzzia is just "optional". The way to secure peace is to make sure that Ruzzia clearly sees that attacking may risk - not their people, not their industry, not their weapons - but their leadership, in first person. That can only be achieved with a wide trusted alliance that clearly commits to stop further agressions.

I guess Ukraine can accept many conditions and deals and trades, but eventually it needs to be a country that is reasonably safe from furter invasion. Apart from territory and resources, that is the main reason why this war is fought and there is no point in closing it just to have Ruzzia re-armed and invade again in a few years.

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How naive. Have you considered that after direct US-Russia talks, US knows exactly what it's doing? And that the show was to start a change in public opinion. Next i'm expecting Z in a suit, bending his knee before Trump, signing 50% of his people's resources away while at the same time thanking Trump for military aid that Biden provided, and not expecting any more aid in the future. Without security guarantees, they get a ceasefire now, and an acknowledgement that eventually Ukraine will fully fall back in RU's sphere of influence.

[BADecker]

The point isn't what Z would or wouldn't do if he had nukes. The point is what Putin would do.

Remember Nov. 21 2024. Putin sent a single Oreshnik to Dnipro, Ukraine. After analysis, we find that that Oreshnik was some form of ICBM. It didn't have any explosives in it. It simply did its job thru mach 10.5 speeds before anybody even knew it was coming.

Be happy with and for Putin. If Medvedev had been running Russia, that Oreshnik might have hit London.

As it is, when Putin finds out that Crazy-Z has ICBM nukes, he will be forced to destroy Ukraine for the safety of Russia. Z doesn't need to use any nukes. Z doesn't even have to threaten to use nukes. All he has to do is have them available. Putin doesn't know what Z would do, so he would be forced to destroy Ukraine to keep Russia safe.

Would this start a formal WW3? Nobody knows and nobody wants to find out.

The US and the UK and some of the wealthy people in the banking systems have been trying to conquer Russia for more than 100 years - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web. Why? Because Russia and Siberia are rich with natural resources.

Evil Stalin sacrificed some 60-million or more of USSR people to make sure that the West banking system did not steal Russia from the Russians. He failed at the same time that he succeeded. But his failure led to peace for a while.

Want world war? Give Crazy-Z nukes, and you will get it.

[Kavelj22]

Does Trump want Ukraine to lose? Why does Trump love Putin so much?

Trump loves America more than he might love Russia, Ukraine or even Europe. Trump and Putin agree on the hostility of Europe, which can only be punished through Ukraine. Europe today is the one in a more crisis situation than Ukraine, which has reached an initial agreement on the American deal, while Europe finds itself facing two allied enemies. Ukraine will enjoy an American protection agreement in exchange for signing the famous minerals deal and Russia keeping the territories it has controlled and committing not to join NATO.

Where is Europe in all this after all the losses and consequences of the war that it suffered, which ended with the coup of the American ally, who is now threatening to impose new taxes on Europe.

[LTU_btc]

If you want to check the whole thread, first time I quoted him 2-3 years ago

I quoted him too few times during first year of war, but time showed that his thoughts isn't worth attention.

Trump loves America more than he might love Russia, Ukraine or even Europe. Trump and Putin agree on the hostility of Europe, which can only be punished through Ukraine. Europe today is the one in a more crisis situation than Ukraine, which has reached an initial agreement on the American deal, while Europe finds itself facing two allied enemies. Ukraine will enjoy an American protection agreement in exchange for signing the famous minerals deal and Russia keeping the territories it has controlled and committing not to join NATO.

Where is Europe in all this after all the losses and consequences of the war that it suffered, which ended with the coup of the American ally, who is now threatening to impose new taxes on Europe.

I would agree with thought above that Trump loves himself more than anything in this world. There is no truth which would be different from Trump's true.
That suspension of military aid is pressure to sign minerals deal. The problem is that this deal doesn't gives any security guarantess for Ukraine, this is why they're not signing it. And it also doesn't have anything about giving up occupied land to Russia.

[hellflame]

They are preparing for war… nations are preparing for war, not peace. That Putin is a stubborn mule that can't be shifted out of the way and his own folks won't do it and he aint going to be waiting around to be deposed by the other factions or an angry mob. Anyway the reprieve that President Trump brings is only temporary so enjoy it while it lasts. The US will be busy in the middle east. Russia will probably move on into Ukraine before the EU/UK get a foothold inside Ukraine. Economic collapse,the next epedemic. Need a bit of chaos before the new system is ready to roll out to a desperate global population.....according to the voices in my head....and my magic 8 ball.

[paxmao]

And it finally happened... Trump decided to cut (officially "pause") the aid to Ukraine, not just the future aid, but the aid that had already been pledged.

“The president has been clear that he is focused on peace. We need our partners to be committed to that goal as well. We are pausing and reviewing our aid to ensure that it is contributing to a solution,” the White House official said.

Well, pausing in this context is quite a strong measure, as it is simple to stop, but takes time to put in place. This breaks the Budapest agreement from the US - which anyway had been broken in 2014 and makes it clear for everyone to see that the new US does not mind allie or foe, treaty or not, word given or not.

Well, this is the new US, no second level thinking about what this means for the future, all about here and now and "deals". The world will adapt and where there is no trust in reputation and deals, everything becomes about the here, now, armies and "deals".

I think big favours call to big Thank$$$, so Putin must be preparing the checkbook.

But not all is lost, Europe is ramping up support and Ukraine is far from being defenceless, so no, the war does not stop here.

Meanwhile the US indexes have gone free fall after the tariffs in Mexico and Canada take full effect. No more pause, nothing...

Canada has decided to limit their export of electric power to several norhtern estates. Mexico has less of a hold, but there is no way the US comes better-off. It is a loose loose situation, which Trump expects to win by... loosing less than others I am guessing.

The news is about the failed Zelensky-Trump meeting. JD Vance started playing the "wise knowitall" with stupid comments that sound nice but are crap and that actually helped visualise the problem.

One of the Kremlin red lines seems to be leaving Ukraine defenceless - AKA without security guarantees.

The US considers that the fact that they have economic interests in Ukraine is enough to stop Putin. However, Zelensky, that at this point knows more than anyone about Ruzzian "diplomacy", has pointed out that there were already tens of US companies doing business in Ukraine and that did not stop Putin.

There is a need to accept that complying with international treaties for Ruzzia is just "optional". The way to secure peace is to make sure that Ruzzia clearly sees that attacking may risk - not their people, not their industry, not their weapons - but their leadership, in first person. That can only be achieved with a wide trusted alliance that clearly commits to stop further agressions.

I guess Ukraine can accept many conditions and deals and trades, but eventually it needs to be a country that is reasonably safe from furter invasion. Apart from territory and resources, that is the main reason why this war is fought and there is no point in closing it just to have Ruzzia re-armed and invade again in a few years.

...

How naive. Have you considered that after direct US-Russia talks, US knows exactly what it's doing? And that the show was to start a change in public opinion. Next i'm expecting Z in a suit, bending his knee before Trump, signing 50% of his people's resources away while at the same time thanking Trump for military aid that Biden provided, and not expecting any more aid in the future. Without security guarantees, they get a ceasefire now, and an acknowledgement that eventually Ukraine will fully fall back in RU's sphere of influence.

The US does always know what they are doing. The problem seems to be that they are doing something that does not exactly play in the US people favour in the long term.

Zelensky will do whatever he needs to do, problem being that there will be another war in maybe a year. Putin has 4 years to keep the landgrab under the Trump administration that is clearly showing weakness beyong measure.

Your predictions may be correct, however you are ignoring that Europe has given at least half of the aid received by Ukraine. That is not only not going to stop, it is set to increase.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vygkzkkrvo

Putin will happily take a cease fire, rebuild somewhat the economy, try to get the funds unfrozen, etc... but most of those funds are in Europe not the US and there is no impediment to use them as war reparations. This is hundreds of billions - the type of money you need to arm a country to the teeth.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/german-arms-maker-shares-jump-hopes-higher-defence-spending-2025-03-03/

And the rest of the world is not going to si quietly.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-could-concede-300-bln-frozen-assets-part-ukraine-war-settlement-sources-2025-02-21/

Exclusive: Russia could concede $300 billion in frozen assets as part of Ukraine war settlement, sources say

Now, let's see if your naivety lets you add two plus two here.

[natotech]

Even the Europeans are now fed up dealing with Zelensky. They wanted to talk about ceasefire while Zelensky demand to nuke Russia.
It's highly likely for Europe to disown Zelensky if he insist on more money and nukes. We may see change in Ukranian leadership soon.

Where was it that Zelensky asked for a nuclear strike?

[Branko]

Even the Europeans are now fed up dealing with Zelensky. They wanted to talk about ceasefire while Zelensky demand to nuke Russia.
It's highly likely for Europe to disown Zelensky if he insist on more money and nukes. We may see change in Ukranian leadership soon.

Where was it that Zelensky asked for a nuclear strike?

https://winepressnews.com/2023/02/04/zelensky-says-nato-should-launch-preemptive-nuclear-strikes-on-moscow/

[paxmao]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-trump-zelensky-letter-putin-military-aid-b2709166.html

Seems like Trump is absolutely decided to get Moscow a victory. I wonder how thank$$$$ full will Putin be.

The United States has cut off intelligence-sharing with Kyiv in a move that could seriously hamper the Ukrainian military's ability to target Russian forces, according to reports.

Even the Europeans are now fed up dealing with Zelensky. They wanted to talk about ceasefire while Zelensky demand to nuke Russia.
It's highly likely for Europe to disown Zelensky if he insist on more money and nukes. We may see change in Ukranian leadership soon.

Where was it that Zelensky asked for a nuclear strike?

https://winepressnews.com/2023/02/04/zelensky-says-nato-should-launch-preemptive-nuclear-strikes-on-moscow/

You would need to cite a source, not a "source". Did any mainstream media report?

I am saying this because it is pretty much senseless to hit Moscow, which is the one location that has a nuclear shield.

So.... THAT IS FAKE NEWS, Zelensky never called for nuclear strikes. It is obvious for anyone to see that it would lead to the opposite results of what Ukraine fights for.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-zelenskyy-nato-russia-nuclear-162428316989

Zelenskyy did not ask NATO to strike Russia with nuclear weapons

https://www.politico.eu/article/no-nuclear-hysteria-ukraine-rows-back-on-zelenskyys-preemptive-strike-remarks/

Kyiv says president was referring to economic sanctions, while Russian officials accuse him of calling to ‘start a world war.’

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20230208-debunking-claims-that-zelensky-asked-nato-for-pre-emptive-nuclear-strikes-against-russia

Debunking claims that Zelensky asked NATO for 'pre-emptive' nuclear strikes against Russia

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/02/posts-misinterpret-zelensky-quote-on-preventive-actions-against-russia/

Posts Misinterpret Zelensky Quote on ‘Preventive Actions’ Against Russia

Look @Branko, this is the Europen Pairlament. I think you may like what it is being said there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4c-YRPXDoM

[BADecker]

^^^ We need to always remember that the West (the US and most of Europe) has been trying to steal Russia from the Russians for more than 100 years - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web.

This isn't to say that Russia is a holy child, or anything of the sort. All it is, is the balance of what is really happening. The West used Big Banker money and whatever else they could, to CIA tamper with the voting in Ukraine in 2014. Perhaps Russia does this kind of thing as well. But the point is that Ukraine and the war are the latest method that the West is using to attempt to steal Russia and Siberia from the Russians.

The reason why they are using Ukraine like they are, is to make it look like Russia is simply attacking Ukraine for nothing. The US especially has to do this, because they have broken or reneged on so many treaties and contracts with Russia, that it can't be hidden any longer.

Russia isn't the good guys. The real question is whether or not the Western counties are worse. And, certainly it isn't the common people of those countries. It is the leaders who have painted a wrong picture to make themselves and their countries look good, and Russia look worse than it is. They paint the picture through the media. But people are waking up because of the Internet and a bunch of alternative media.

[paxmao]

^^^ We need to always remember that the West (the US and most of Europe) has been trying to steal Russia from the Russians for more than 100 years - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web.
[...]

So... the Bolshevisk were from Mars or Vannuatu?

[Branko]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-trump-zelensky-letter-putin-military-aid-b2709166.html

Seems like Trump is absolutely decided to get Moscow a victory. I wonder how thank$$$$ full will Putin be.

The United States has cut off intelligence-sharing with Kyiv in a move that could seriously hamper the Ukrainian military's ability to target Russian forces, according to reports.

Even the Europeans are now fed up dealing with Zelensky. They wanted to talk about ceasefire while Zelensky demand to nuke Russia.
It's highly likely for Europe to disown Zelensky if he insist on more money and nukes. We may see change in Ukranian leadership soon.

Where was it that Zelensky asked for a nuclear strike?

https://winepressnews.com/2023/02/04/zelensky-says-nato-should-launch-preemptive-nuclear-strikes-on-moscow/

You would need to cite a source, not a "source". Did any mainstream media report?

I am saying this because it is pretty much senseless to hit Moscow, which is the one location that has a nuclear shield.

So.... THAT IS FAKE NEWS, Zelensky never called for nuclear strikes. It is obvious for anyone to see that it would lead to the opposite results of what Ukraine fights for.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-zelenskyy-nato-russia-nuclear-162428316989

Zelenskyy did not ask NATO to strike Russia with nuclear weapons

https://www.politico.eu/article/no-nuclear-hysteria-ukraine-rows-back-on-zelenskyys-preemptive-strike-remarks/

Kyiv says president was referring to economic sanctions, while Russian officials accuse him of calling to ‘start a world war.’

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20230208-debunking-claims-that-zelensky-asked-nato-for-pre-emptive-nuclear-strikes-against-russia

Debunking claims that Zelensky asked NATO for 'pre-emptive' nuclear strikes against Russia

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/02/posts-misinterpret-zelensky-quote-on-preventive-actions-against-russia/

Posts Misinterpret Zelensky Quote on ‘Preventive Actions’ Against Russia

Look @Branko, this is the Europen Pairlament. I think you may like what it is being said there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4c-YRPXDoM

You can dance around it however you want, but on my link there's video with Zelensky saying exactly what I said
You can cite another 100 "reputable" (read: receive USAID money to lie for CIA) media, it won't change facts

[paxmao]

https://youtu.be/ZvssAXQz4Cw

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-trump-zelensky-letter-putin-military-aid-b2709166.html

Seems like Trump is absolutely decided to get Moscow a victory. I wonder how thank$$$$ full will Putin be.

The United States has cut off intelligence-sharing with Kyiv in a move that could seriously hamper the Ukrainian military's ability to target Russian forces, according to reports.

Even the Europeans are now fed up dealing with Zelensky. They wanted to talk about ceasefire while Zelensky demand to nuke Russia.
It's highly likely for Europe to disown Zelensky if he insist on more money and nukes. We may see change in Ukranian leadership soon.

Where was it that Zelensky asked for a nuclear strike?

https://winepressnews.com/2023/02/04/zelensky-says-nato-should-launch-preemptive-nuclear-strikes-on-moscow/

You would need to cite a source, not a "source". Did any mainstream media report?

I am saying this because it is pretty much senseless to hit Moscow, which is the one location that has a nuclear shield.

So.... THAT IS FAKE NEWS, Zelensky never called for nuclear strikes. It is obvious for anyone to see that it would lead to the opposite results of what Ukraine fights for.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-zelenskyy-nato-russia-nuclear-162428316989

Zelenskyy did not ask NATO to strike Russia with nuclear weapons

https://www.politico.eu/article/no-nuclear-hysteria-ukraine-rows-back-on-zelenskyys-preemptive-strike-remarks/

Kyiv says president was referring to economic sanctions, while Russian officials accuse him of calling to ‘start a world war.’

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20230208-debunking-claims-that-zelensky-asked-nato-for-pre-emptive-nuclear-strikes-against-russia

Debunking claims that Zelensky asked NATO for 'pre-emptive' nuclear strikes against Russia

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/02/posts-misinterpret-zelensky-quote-on-preventive-actions-against-russia/

Posts Misinterpret Zelensky Quote on ‘Preventive Actions’ Against Russia

Look @Branko, this is the Europen Pairlament. I think you may like what it is being said there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4c-YRPXDoM

You can dance around it however you want, but on my link there's video with Zelensky saying exactly what I said
You can cite another 100 "reputable" (read: receive USAID money to lie for CIA) media, it won't change facts

We can dance around what you say he says, but literally he says "they can", which means having the ability to do something, not doing something. That is stating a fact, is not even new information, NATO can launch a nuclear strike on Ruzzia.

Let me show you the difference between "can" (video of Zelensky) and "should" - Ruzzian state media: I know you watch this guy BTW.

https://youtu.be/YyY6gnUmoVg?t=134

See? that is the difference. That is actually calling for nuclear strikes in a Kremlin controlled media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVlZWrHQm3g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X19G6tPfzlc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVT2wAujqIA

Funnily enough, his son works in London

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4eJvwtQJu4

So now you know the difference.

[BADecker]

^^^ We need to always remember that the West (the US and most of Europe) has been trying to steal Russia from the Russians for more than 100 years - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web.
[...]

So... the Bolshevisk were from Mars or Vannuatu?

A little like today's Ukrainians that are left in Ukraine... The Bolsheviks were Russian revolutionaries who found help and financing from the West. When they took over Russia, they threw off the control of the West. In fact, that was what Stalin was constantly doing his whole life - throwing off controls the West tried to place on him - though he killed of a big bunch of his own people to do it.